Formerly DT: COVID-19 - Featuring Lots of Politics, now CR because political talk not going away

[atomheartbevo 89630]

1 hour ago, Bevo said:

Some notes from today:

8 new cases in Iceland. Now it is going after the blondes.

First 4 cases in West Bank, Palestine. They are fucked.

2 new cases in Portugal. I thought I would be safe in the Azores.

China’s National Health Commission reports 5 new cases across the mainland, excluding Hubei province. Yeah, fuck China.

West Bank?  There’s screwed.   That’s a lot of people in a small area with inadequate healthcare.  

Seems like it’s starting to really ramp up in Europe.  I don’t know what the magic number is, but it feels like once you hit 20-25 new cases a day, things escalate substantially.   France, Spain, and Germany seem to be falling into that camp.   

China will drop way down at some point.  Too many people locked away.  

[Bigbend1812 12915]

Italy is fucked.

[atomheartbevo 89630]

59 minutes ago, akhornfan said:

China is just going to close the book on this thing, claim victory and stop testing. I doubt we’d ever know if it flared up again there unless it became catastrophic. 

The Wuhan strain apparently was deadlier than what we are mostly seeing elsewhere.           Will be interesting to see if it pops up this fall.   

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13091]

1 minute ago, Skipper said:

According to Deblasio tweets this AM there is a 40 year old in NYC in ICU.

Is he a Kate Beckinsale 40s or Melissa McCarthy 40s? Or a Tara Reid 40s...

[zork 629]

Spoiler

 

14 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Cats already outta the bag. Cant put the toothpaste back in the tube

 

we had a chance to nip this in the bud 6-7 weeks ago and DID NOTHING. its too late to contain or minimize this thing.

 

if youre over 60... good luck

I finally got the bag of cotton balls and decided olive oil was the right oil?  It was olive oil for the cotton balls right?

 

 

Spoiler

 

Edited March 5, 2020 by zork

[BrickHorn 18217]

32 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

Most of Surly hates everyone.

Surly only looks out for one guy: Surly.

Edited March 5, 2020 by BrickHorn

[Loco 3752]

9 minutes ago, MoJames said:

Well when there is a multitude of asymptomatic people wandering around, it makes that infinitely difficult. But what do I know I'm no Alfred E Neuman.

It's only infinitely difficult if you decide not to test.  I think there is a clear contingent that pushes the "It's not a big deal, we probably all have it"  and the "it's so difficult to manage, why try?"

Those are the Alfred E Neumans...  What me worry?

[RollLeft 5040]

Rumor:

So i was just told by a friend, who was told by his friend regarding his coworker, that the coworker was asked to stop coming to work until further notice.  The reason being is that coworker lives with his parents who were self quarantined after having traveled to China recently.  Where does this inconsiderate ass work, you ask?  The dude is a delivery driver for Sysco foods here in Htown.    

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13091]

2 minutes ago, Bigbend1812 said:

Italy is fucked.

Wine must be an accelerant.

[Loco 3752]

2 minutes ago, Bigbend1812 said:

Italy is fucked.

[HenryJames 66038]

2 minutes ago, RollLeft said:

Rumor:

So i was just told by a friend, who was told by his friend regarding his coworker, that the coworker was asked to stop coming to work until further notice.  The reason being is that coworker lives with his parents who were self quarantined after having traveled to China recently.  Where does this inconsiderate ass work, you ask?  The dude is a delivery driver for Sysco foods here in Htown.    

@closetojumping

[atomheartbevo 89630]

50 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Personally I believe that testing for coronavirus is futile and perhaps even unnecessary. Most likely this is going to spread to a large percent of the globe and we're unable to stop it. Anyone that has flu-like symptoms should self-quarantine themselves as if they have the coronavirus. Schools and employers should also send people home.  And there should be clear understanding when you should head to a hospital.

Basically we should be educated by the health community and govt to understand how we should take care of ourselves until we can't.

If we were rational, and if most Americans could afford to self-quarantine, it would be great.   But we aren’t rational and most can’t afford it.  

So testing is needed.  It won’t stop it, but identifying it can help our healthcare system stay afloat.  

[MoJames 8244]

5 minutes ago, Loco said:

It's only infinitely difficult if you decide not to test.  I think there is a clear contingent that pushes the "It's not a big deal, we probably all have it"  and the "it's so difficult to manage, why try?"

Those are the Alfred E Neumans...  What me worry?

So the plan of action should've been immediately test everyone in China? or would you go with the World?

The other side of this equation is we are an infinitely selfish species that would not comply to everyone getting tested. This is apparent when you look at those attempting to leave quarantine early to the current guy in the oval office.

[LonghornJones 837]

Have we had any solid proof that the London Book Fair is really cancelled, or what?

[StruggleBus 3922]

Everything we're seeing in Europe will be happening here, just with a few weeks lag time. At least we get to peak into the future a bit. 

[Nice Guy Eddie 13509]

3 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

If we were rational, and if most Americans could afford to self-quarantine, it would be great.   But we aren’t rational and most can’t afford it.  

So testing is needed.  It won’t stop it, but identifying it can help our healthcare system stay afloat.  

I don't disagree but if people can't stay home if they suspect they have coronavirus, then they're not going to stay home regardless. "I'm really sick with something but my family needs my paycheck. cough cough."

 

[LonghornJones 837]

Just now, StruggleBus said:

Everything we're seeing in Europe will be happening here, just with a few weeks lag time. At least we get to peak into the future a bit. 

So you're gonna sit there, straight-faced, and tell me they're going to cancel the Great London Book Fair hear in the US? Over my dead body.

[Skipper 6130]

4 minutes ago, StruggleBus said:

Everything we're seeing in Europe is already happening here

FIFY

[closetojumping 62568]

1 hour ago, michaelpshayes said:

you can spew your political horse shit in that fucking retard zoo all you want ....freely

There is a metric fuckton of people that think "gee, I'm interested in politics. So you should be too and you need to hear my fucking rant about how my group is getting fucking screwed, man!!!" It's fucking nauseating. I find them to be the most boring people I interact with until I just start taking the opposite position of whatever they won't shut the fuck up about.

 

 

[Loco 3752]

5 minutes ago, MoJames said:

So the plan of action should've been immediately test everyone in China? or would you go with the World?

 

I'd be happier if we had made voluntary testing available (like SK) ...  Testing at immigration check points based on travel history and temp/ symptoms.   Testing for first responders, healthcare professionals...   Then chased any positives we found to isolate other potential asymptomatic cases.  Disclosure of cases by metro area so at risk folks can minimize (not eliminate risk)

Instead we did not prepare...  and the freedoms we enjoy will make it all the harder to get under control.    Fucking Florida has done everything in its power to keep tourist $$ flowing at the expense of public health.  Make no mistake those lawmakers will have blood/phlem? on their hands

[Goredho 17397]

 

3 minutes ago, MoJames said:

So the plan of action should've been immediately test everyone in China? or would you go with the World?

The other side of this equation is we are an infinitely selfish species that would not comply to everyone getting tested. This is apparent when you look at those attempting to leave quarantine early to the current guy in the oval office.

Imo, the plan of action (should be) to crowdsource a response to buy time.  Get the public informed and involved in limiting the disease by promoting the CDC's prevention guidelines.

• Avoid those with symptoms
• Wash your hands
• Quit touching your face
• Stay home when sick
• Use a facemask if you are sick and have to venture out

Our government should help support and promote the above common sense actions that we can all take.  Obviously not everyone will, but the more people that do, the more time our healthcare system has to:

• Stand up care facilities needed to help the most seriously ill
• Staff up personnel that will have to tend to the most seriously ill
• Develop a vaccine

 

[Hate 20107]

I don't disagree but if people can't stay home if they suspect they have coronavirus, then they're not going to stay home regardless. "I'm really sick with something but my family needs my paycheck. cough cough."
 

How many of the people that have no symptoms at all should stay home? How many of the people that live in areas like Austin and Houston where they deal with seasonal allergies that peak in February-March-April should assume they have the corona virus instead of being effected by the pollen onslaught they experience every year at this time? Fuck our government!

[Liquor and Poker 3659]

3 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

There is a metric fuckton of people that think "gee, I'm interested in politics. So you should be too and you need to hear my fucking rant about how my group is getting fucking screwed, man!!!" It's fucking nauseating. I find them to be the most boring people I interact with until I just start taking the opposite position of whatever they won't shut the fuck up about.

 

 

Here's my rant about you are abusing that metric fuckton of people by discounting their political views.  They're getting fucking screwed, man!

[Bevo 13570]

11 minutes ago, StruggleBus said:

Everything we're seeing in Europe will be happening here, just with a few weeks lag time. At least we get to peak into the future a bit. 

Do I have sex with Kate Beckinsale?

[Loco 3752]

1 minute ago, Bevo said:

Do I have sex with Kate Beckinsale?

her corpse count?

[MoJames 8244]

It would be interesting to see how many people in this thread interested in putting a significant amount of time/money into a Coronavirus Vaccination, have their Influenza Vaccination. Not that I'm opposed to putting resources into a Coronavirus Vaccination.

[Pato del Muerto 52487]

Just now, Loco said:

her corpse count?

When have they not?

[Deej 76756]

5 minutes ago, Hate said:

 

How many of the people that have no symptoms at all should stay home? How many of the people that live in areas like Austin and Houston where they deal with seasonal allergies that peak in February-March-April should assume they have the corona virus instead of being effected by the pollen onslaught they experience every year at this time? Fuck our government!

 

What if some mutant corona pollen develops?

[Bevo 13570]

7 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

There is a metric fuckton of people that think "gee, I'm interested in politics. So you should be too and you need to hear my fucking rant about how my group is getting fucking screwed, man!!!" It's fucking nauseating. I find them to be the most boring people I interact with until I just start taking the opposite position of whatever they won't shut the fuck up about.

 

 

I agree. Unfortunately, I am now in front of patients all day, so I have to just nod. At least it keeps the boring conversation short.

[Guest Lobo]

Given the leadership I’ve seen thus far; I’d feel safer if Jenny McCarthy was in charge of the vaccination effort.  

[ShaggyBevo RIP 3868]

1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Personally I believe that testing for coronavirus is futile and perhaps even unnecessary. Most likely this is going to spread to a large percent of the globe and we're unable to stop it. Anyone that has flu-like symptoms should self-quarantine themselves as if they have the coronavirus. Schools and employers should also send people home.  And there should be clear understanding when you should head to a hospital.

Basically we should be educated by the health community and govt to understand how we should take care of ourselves until we can't.

 

 

If the timeline from being infected to being a transmitter is as long as it is beginning to look like then testing can shut down a lot of transmission.

[Dahobbs 17527]

12 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

There is a metric fuckton of people that think "gee, I'm interested in politics. So you should be too and you need to hear my fucking rant about how my group is getting fucking screwed, man!!!" It's fucking nauseating. I find them to be the most boring people I interact with until I just start taking the opposite position of whatever they won't shut the fuck up about.

 

 

But, what if they want to talk about Tom Herman?

[NoName 16351]

1 hour ago, Goredho said:

All good, imo.  It is a shame we can't just speak freely about this issue and our government's response to it, but alas.

the term "dotard" belong in the CR, not in the Coronavirus thread. 

this shouldn't be hard to understand.

there has been plenty of free discussion about this issue and the government's response here. 

[Dahobbs 17527]

1 minute ago, ShaggyBevo RIP said:

If the timeline from being infected to being a transmitter is as long as it is beginning to look like then testing can shut down a lot of transmission.

And, really, the point of most of our efforts is not to completely stop the spread, but to attenuate it so that it occurs over a manageable period of time. 

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

6 minutes ago, Deej said:

What if some mutant corona pollen develops?

[XYZ 2154]

12 minutes ago, Goredho said:

Imo, the plan of action (should be) to crowdsource a response to buy time.  Get the public informed and involved in limiting the disease by promoting the CDC's prevention guidelines.

• Avoid those with symptoms
• Wash your hands
• Quit touching your face
• Stay home when sick
• Use a facemask if you are sick and have to venture out

Our government should help support and promote the above common sense actions that we can all take.  Obviously not everyone will, but the more people that do, the more time our healthcare system has to:

• Stand up care facilities needed to help the most seriously ill
• Staff up personnel that will have to tend to the most seriously ill
• Develop a vaccine

GTFO with that shit. ‘Murica

[Pato del Muerto 52487]

How often are we to test the asymptomatic?  Which asymptomatic are we to test?  These tests aren’t free  

if someone shows up to a clinic with symptoms and they get tested, a positive id does little to stop the spread as they’ve likely been contagious for days already, and may or may not self quarantine. 
 

Every bit helps throttle the spread I guess. 

Edited March 5, 2020 by Pato del Muerto

[ShaggyBevo RIP 3868]

7 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

How often are we to test the asymptotic?  Which asymptotic are we to test?  These tests aren’t free  

if someone shows up to a clinic with symptoms and they get tested, a positive id does little to stop the spread as they’ve likely been contagious for days already, and may or may not self quarantine. 
 

Every bit helps throttle the spread I guess. 

If it really takes 5 days, or more, to become a transmitter you back track everyone a positive tester been in contact with during the previous week and start the testing there.

Edited March 5, 2020 by ShaggyBevo RIP

[XYZ 2154]

2 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

How often are we to test the asymptomatic?  Which asymptomatic are we to test?  These tests aren’t free  

if someone shows up to a clinic with symptoms and they get tested, a positive id does little to stop the spread as they’ve likely been contagious for days already, and may or may not self quarantine. 
 

Every bit helps throttle the spread I guess. 

Also, the profits of corporate America, and especially the healthcare sector, must remain the #1 priority. So, no, not only aren’t the tests free, but their cost must be very generously padded to preserve profits. God forbid that the government interfere with corporate America.

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58 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Cats already outta the bag. Cant put the toothpaste back in the tube

we had a chance to nip this in the bud 6-7 weeks ago and DID NOTHING.

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[NoName 16351]

36 minutes ago, LonghornJones said:

Have we had any solid proof that the London Book Fair is really cancelled, or what?

yes

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2020/mar/04/london-book-fair-cancelled-over-coronavirus-fears-amid-growing-anger

Quote

 

One of the world’s biggest international literary events, the London book fair, has been cancelled over coronavirus fears, amid growing anger that the delay in calling it off was putting people’s health at risk and an unfair financial strain on publishers.

Organiser Reed Exhibitions announced on Wednesday that the escalation of the illness meant the fair, scheduled to run from 10 to 12 March, would be called off. Around 25,000 publishers, authors and agents from around the world had been due to attend the event, where deals for the hottest new books are struck.

But the event was already set to be a ghost town when it opened its doors, after publishers and rights agencies began withdrawing en masse over the last week. Some of the world’s biggest, including Penguin Random House, HarperCollins and Hachette had already pulled out, as had Amazon and a host of literary agencies including Curtis Brown.

“We have been following UK government guidelines and working with the rolling advice from the public health authorities and other organisations, and so it is with reluctance that we have taken the decision not to go ahead with this year’s event,” said Reed.

 

 

[Trey3216 15345]

16 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Given the leadership I’ve seen thus far; I’d feel safer if Jenny McCarthy was in charge of the vaccination effort.  

Can Jenny develop a vaccine to rid us of Melissa?

[Goredho 17397]

15 minutes ago, NoName said:

the term "dotard" belong in the CR, not in the Coronavirus thread. 

this shouldn't be hard to understand.

there has been plenty of free discussion about this issue and the government's response here. 

You are right.

[Pato del Muerto 52487]

4 minutes ago, ShaggyBevo RIP said:

If it really takes 5 days, or more, to become a transmitter you back track everyone a positive tester been in contact with during the previous week and start the testing there.

Does that work?  Say in the last 5 days I was at work, at a grocery store, and at a bar/restaurant. Work is easy but the others do you just hold a pc and say if you were here on this day then get tested?  Is it a range of days after to account for surface survival?

[Nice Guy Eddie 13509]

I don't think there is a good method to contain the virus. Maybe widespread testing and attempt to corral anyone, that has contacted a virus carrier, might work. And I'm not saying to do nothing but I think every process has a lot of holes.

I am intrigued that China is reporting relatively few new cases as a percentage of previous cases. Either they're lying, or massive city-wide quarantines are the best option. And once again, I don't see how that would work in the US.

[atomheartbevo 89630]

46 minutes ago, StruggleBus said:

Everything we're seeing in Europe will be happening here, just with a few weeks lag time. At least we get to peak into the future a bit. 

 

[Trey3216 15345]

10 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I don't think there is a good method to contain the virus. Maybe widespread testing and attempt to corral anyone, that has contacted a virus carrier, might work. And I'm not saying to do nothing but I think every process has a lot of holes.

I am intrigued that China is reporting relatively few new cases as a percentage of previous cases. Either they're lying, or massive city-wide quarantines are the best option. And once again, I don't see how that would work in the US.

If Paul Blart came to my house and attempted to lock my wife and I in the house for fears of this spreading, Paul Blart would likely leave my house in an extra large ziplock with an extra hole in his head.  

[Pato del Muerto 52487]

9 minutes ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

I don't think there is a good method to contain the virus. Maybe widespread testing and attempt to corral anyone, that has contacted a virus carrier, might work. And I'm not saying to do nothing but I think every process has a lot of holes.

I am intrigued that China is reporting relatively few new cases as a percentage of previous cases. Either they're lying, or massive city-wide quarantines are the best option. And once again, I don't see how that would work in the US.

I think China realized that the only way to stop the spread was to keep everyone away from everyone, and they have the means and power to do it. That’s how you close the holes. When our city streets are empty and our sick and dying are off in some corner in hastily erected 4 wall lean-tos, then we’ve done something. 

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

When do we get the results of the cruise ship in SF? 

[atomheartbevo 89630]

NY coming on strong, no surprise    NYC has got to be crawling with it