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Against my better judgment and several beers deep, I have taken you up on this, potentially ending my streak of totally worthless posts. I have done 3 and 7 day averages only on the Worldometer data. 

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Just try and imagine GreenspointTexas being the person to intubate you as you fight for your life against COVID-19. You’re laying there gasping for air while he chastises you for all the things you li

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1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

He’s some doctor who studied epidemiology at Harvard, what does he know, amirite?

Since you trust Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding, I double dog dare you to go to his office for a proctologic exam.

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9 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

No wonder I never get sick. I might be invincible. 

Yeah, but your swallowing of your own semen to absorb the power you already possess seems kind of pointless, but you do you.

 

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3 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Is that really news?  When the % of people that need hospitalization/urgent care can’t get it, the cfr starts to approach that %.  Seems fairly straight forward. 

There are two competing strains of thought circulating right now, and try few people seem to keep both points in mind simultaneously:

1. The current data almost certainly overestimate the CFR to date, due to severity bias.

2. The current data likely understate the CFR we will see as the virus spreads more widely.

Both are true. It’s possible to acknowledge the former while designing policy with the latter in mind.

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St. Cecilia in Memorial?  If not they to have a confirmed case that attended mass the other day.  Stay home if your sick people.  


That’s the one. I wasn’t at that Wednesday service so whatever I have is probably just normal stuff. But my symptoms are consistent . . . .
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1 hour ago, Hagbard Celine said:

Getting to R0 less than 1 is the strategic long-term goal otherwise fuck it all.  We don't still have the Spanish Flu running around.  It eventually was contained.

Slowing the spread to save the healthcare system has been stated over and over and over as the #1 goal right now and asymptomatic spreaders are the #1 problem that will prevent that goal.

It never really got contained, it just burned through the global population and mutated to a far less deadly strain. 

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One week ago I was pretty sanguine. I am a total doomer, witness my being all over page 1. So for six weeks I watched closely, even bought extra food in the pantry, but wasn't really freaked. My brother in law lives in HK, and so he had a closer perspective. Containment is working there. I'm youngish, my children are hale. The cases in China, SK, and Japan seemed to be leveling off so much. We've been at or under 100k for a long time - steady climbing but it didn't seem out of control. I didn't really believe China's numbers. But there were fewer and fewer exported cases from China - lending some credence to the possibly that China proved it could be contained. Neighboring states seemed to be weathering pretty well. The SK cases were a unique blow up, but even that showed major flare ups could be dealt with.  Iran is a shitshow, but I chalked that up to bad government and the impact of years and years of embargos on the health care system. 

But then Italy and Washington State (and Egypt)... and probably more scare are all the cases those two hotbeds have exported cases. As someone mentioned this AM, there is a case that Las Vegas exported, and we have no idea what things are like there. Now we have SK + Iran + Italy + Wash St + Egypt... probably other clusters across Europe, plus Indonesia and maybe India... just so many more chances to break  out.  

So this weekend, I feel far far worse about things. I do think any given regional blow up can probably be successfully curbed. It might take months, but there is hope. But if there are dozens of regional flare ups? 

Prediction: Be ready for schools to extend Spring Break 2-3 weeks. 

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1 hour ago, Somnio said:

I mean it certainly appears to be the case.  It is shocking to realize. 

Even if you believe in small, limited government I would think coordinating a plan to deal with a global pandemic would fall under the federal government's duties.

It used to be the Churches in coordination with Christian doctors.  Hence the names.... Presby, St. Enter name here, Baylor Scott....., Methodist...  FDR took over in the 30's.  This is when hospitals got expensive.  Used to be charity work.  In other words, free.  Well, medicaid is still technically free, the people just don't pay.

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Since we’re just posting random people’s accounts as news:

“I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared. 

I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil.  I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.

What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..." and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and  strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess. 

I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too. Can you even 
imagine?

I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession. 

But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, openmindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.

Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it.  Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous. 

I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.

Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.
Our children will thank us for it.

#washurhands #geturflushot #respect #patiencenotpanic”

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3 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Jesus Christ, I can’t believe people don’t think we should test.  Wtf

It's the fat blobs behind the government desks that don't want to test.  "That wasn't part of the job description."  When is 5 o' clock?  My favorite porn is on soon.

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Since we’re just posting random people’s accounts as news:
“I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared. 
I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil.  I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.
What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..." and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and  strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess. 
I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too. Can you even 
imagine?
I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession. 
But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, openmindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.
Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it.  Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous. 
I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.
Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.
Our children will thank us for it.
#washurhands #geturflushot #respect #patiencenotpanic”
That doesn't fit the circle jerk doom and gloom chicken little shit in this thread sir.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/China_Flu/comments/fbt49e/the_who_sent_25_international_experts_to_china/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Now this does make me feel better. Some good points Ill share from the WHO report:

***Let me state again, this is a report from the World Health Organization and lends far more credibility than the lady in SK scared to death she is living in End Times, or the doctor on TV saying this is the scariest disease he has ever seen in his life***

If you have direct personal contact with an infected person, the probability of infection is between 1% and 5%.

Since the end of January, the number of new coronavirus diagnoses in China has been steadily declining (shown here as a graph) with now only 329 new diagnoses within the last day - one month ago it was around 3,000 a day. "This decline in COVID-19 cases across China is real,"

Your likelihood to die: Some people who are in an age group read the fatality rate and think this is their personal likelihood that they will if they get infected. No, because all the other risk factors also apply. Men in this that age group will more likely die than women, people with preexisting conditions more than healthy people, and people in overcrowded hospitals more than those in hospitals where they get the care they need.

"COVID-19 is spreading with astonishing speed; COVID-19 outbreaks in any setting have very serious consequences; and there is now strong evidence that non-pharmaceutical interventions can reduce and even interrupt transmission.

 

  • Age: The younger you are, the less likely you are to be infected and the less likely you are to fall seriously ill if you do get infected:

  • The most common symptoms are fever (88%) and dry cough (68%). Exhaustion (38%), expectoration of mucus when coughing (33%), shortness of breath (18%), sore throat (14%), headaches (14%), muscle aches (14%), chills (11%) are also common. Less frequent are nausea and vomiting (5%), stuffy nose (5%) and diarrhoea (4%). Running nose is not a symptom of Covid.

  •  Transmission by fine aerosols in the air over long distances is not one of the main causes of spread. // This means getting it by breathing the same air as someone who sneezed or coughed is quite low.

Age % of population % of infected Fatality
0-9 12.0% 0,9% 0 as of now
10-19 11.6% 1.2% 0.2%
20-29 13.5% 8.1% 0.2%
30-39 15.6% 17.0% 0.2%
40-49 15.6% 19.2% 0.4%
50-59 15.0% 22.4% 1.3%
60-69 10.4% 19.2% 3.6%
70-79 4.7% 8.8% 8.0%
80+ 1.8% 3.2%

14.8%

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WHO REPORT !!!
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19 minutes ago, Casual Encounter said:

Since we’re just posting random people’s accounts as news:

“I'm a doctor and an Infectious Diseases Specialist. I've been at this for more than 20 years seeing sick patients on a daily basis. I have worked in inner city hospitals and in the poorest slums of Africa. HIV-AIDS, Hepatitis,TB, SARS, Measles, Shingles, Whooping cough, Diphtheria...there is little I haven't been exposed to in my profession. And with notable exception of SARS, very little has left me feeling vulnerable, overwhelmed or downright scared. 

I am not scared of Covid-19. I am concerned about the implications of a novel infectious agent that has spread the world over and continues to find new footholds in different soil.  I am rightly concerned for the welfare of those who are elderly, in frail health or disenfranchised who stand to suffer mostly, and disproportionately, at the hands of this new scourge. But I am not scared of Covid-19.

What I am scared about is the loss of reason and wave of fear that has induced the masses of society into a spellbinding spiral of panic, stockpiling obscene quantities of anything that could fill a bomb shelter adequately in a post-apocalyptic world. I am scared of the N95 masks that are stolen from hospitals and urgent care clinics where they are actually needed for front line healthcare providers and instead are being donned in airports, malls, and coffee lounges, perpetuating even more fear and suspicion of others. I am scared that our hospitals will be overwhelmed with anyone who thinks they " probably don't have it but may as well get checked out no matter what because you just never know..." and those with heart failure, emphysema, pneumonia and  strokes will pay the price for overfilled ER waiting rooms with only so many doctors and nurses to assess. 

I am scared that travel restrictions will become so far reaching that weddings will be canceled, graduations missed and family reunions will not materialize. And well, even that big party called the Olympic Games...that could be kyboshed too. Can you even 
imagine?

I'm scared those same epidemic fears will limit trade, harm partnerships in multiple sectors, business and otherwise and ultimately culminate in a global recession. 

But mostly, I'm scared about what message we are telling our kids when faced with a threat. Instead of reason, rationality, openmindedness and altruism, we are telling them to panic, be fearful, suspicious, reactionary and self-interested.

Covid-19 is nowhere near over. It will be coming to a city, a hospital, a friend, even a family member near you at some point. Expect it.  Stop waiting to be surprised further. The fact is the virus itself will not likely do much harm when it arrives. But our own behaviors and "fight for yourself above all else" attitude could prove disastrous. 

I implore you all. Temper fear with reason, panic with patience and uncertainty with education. We have an opportunity to learn a great deal about health hygiene and limiting the spread of innumerable transmissible diseases in our society. Let's meet this challenge together in the best spirit of compassion for others, patience, and above all, an unfailing effort to seek truth, facts and knowledge as opposed to conjecture, speculation and catastrophizing.

Facts not fear. Clean hands. Open hearts.
Our children will thank us for it.

#washurhands #geturflushot #respect #patiencenotpanic”

I’m in Vegas...far from panic mode here.  I don’t think anyone should panic.  It’s a physician convention here and not one doc seems panicked - I’d guess the ones that are panicky stayed home, but I digress...  Not panicking and not testing are two different things.  We should absolutely be testing more.  Pretty much everyone here agrees on that.  
 

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1 hour ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Water is wet

like i said, 2% mortality for this thing is a joke

I had this conversation with an uncle last night.  He did the “it’s only 2% and the President said it’s not even that” and I pointed out that for his age range, it’s around 10%, and because he has other “underlying” issues, that’s probably added to it. He did quit smoking and a few other bad habits nearly 15 years ago after having to be hospitalized for a stroke just after his first great-grandkid was born, but I would be surprised if wasn’t pushing 20%.   His wife had cancer 5 years ago, and she’s got the beetus, so she’s probably up there.   

It really is easy for many to be flippant about it, and blow it off, but if you’re older, or have older relatives, it’s best to start looking at age groups and why the people with underlying issues seem to be the ones being wiped out.  

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1 hour ago, Bevo said:

Since you trust Dr. Eric Feigl-Ding, I double dog dare you to go to his office for a proctologic exam.

Doctor gives me exam, walks out just as nurse walks in   

Nurse says the doctor will be in to examine me in a moment, then asks “who was that?”

Me:

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38 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Jesus Christ, I can’t believe people don’t think we should test.  Wtf

You know how when aggy is getting their ass kicked, they start talking about how the score doesn’t actually matter, and isn’t indicative of anything, and how next year is what’s important?

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21 hours ago, SydneyCarton said:

Have to think this is going to be a small domino that makes the general public panic ramp up a notch. And I'm guessing with this precedent you'll see massive changes or cancellations for sporting events like March Madness, all of it. No one wanted to be the first major event to jump into the cold water, but I'm guessing now you'll see a trail of similar reactions across the country. 

90% of these were announced a week ago

https://www.zdnet.com/article/sxsw-canceled-due-to-coronavirus-all-the-2020-tech-conference-cancellations-and-travel-bans/

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6 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

The people that feel safe and don’t mind at all being potential superspreaders are beginning to piss me off. 
Is a little common sense and respect for fellow humans too much to ask?

I'm definitely a superspreader.  When I'm sick, I pop and advil and head out to work or whatever....  Exposure to my wife for extended periods is fatal.

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