Formerly DT: COVID-19 - Featuring Lots of Politics, now CR because political talk not going away

[Macanudo 13092]

24 minutes ago, bigup2dahorns said:

Amtrak suspends nonstop Acela service between DC and New York as demand weakens amid coronavirus

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/07/amtrak-cancels-nonstop-acela-service-between-dc-nyc-due-to-coronavirus.html?__source=iosappshare%7Ccom.apple.UIKit.activity.CopyToPasteboard

Doesnt that just mean that a couple of the dozen people who ride Acela are in quarantine?

[ChiTownDoc 21229]

16 minutes ago, Loco said:

Different virus, but I know what you mean.

I know someone that got roped into a realestate conference in Vegas going on now.   He's not a happy camper, says it's cold out there. /nogroundhogsday

74. I know you FL people.  For us this is serious heat.  

[Underdog 28875]

1 hour ago, Loco said:

counter point they have bears

 

also congrats you lucky mofo...   18pt comeback in the 2nd half.

To be honest, I stopped paying too much attention to it when it got 15+ in 2H, figured it just wasn't happening. 

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[Loco 3754]

It's just like a cold, I bet it's already widespread in the US, you'll hardly notice a thing....

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MILAN—The Italian government is planning to lock down 16 million people—more than a quarter of its population, including the region around Milan and 11 provinces in nearby regions—in the most sweeping steps any European country has prepared to take against the coronavirus epidemic.

A draft decree from the Italian Prime Minister’s office, seen by The Wall Street Journal, says people living in Lombardy, where Milan is the capital, and the named provinces in Lombardy’s nearby regions must “absolutely avoid any movement into and out of the areas.”

Police, emergency services and if needed the army will be available to enforce the quarantine. People violating the lockdown can be punished with a fine or jail terms, according to the draft decree.

The government hasn’t yet taken a final decision, but one could come on Saturday night, according to two Italian officials. The quarantine would take effect on Sunday and run until April 3, according to the draft decree.

Italy, which has had the largest number of infections outside Asia, is a test of how far Western countries are willing and able to curtail personal freedom of movement and lifestyle in order to contain the epidemic.

The move by the Italian government is reminiscent of measures taken in China, which put about 500 million people under full or partial lockdown. China’s moves appear to be having success as the number of new cases reported by the government has fallen steeply in the past week, and the daily number of new cases is less than in several other countries including Italy.

Italy had confirmed 5,883 coronavirus cases by Saturday, of which 233 people had died. Italy has tried to respond with moderate restrictions, such as banning many public events; before Saturday it had only imposed lockdowns on small areas in the country’s north, with a population of around 50,000.

The new measures planned from Sunday in much of northern Italy include tight restrictions on travel within the affected areas, where people will be told to move about only for emergencies and work obligations that can’t be postponed. The draft decree asks all private and public employees to take their leave allowance during the quarantine period, if they can, to stay at home.

The decree forces the closure of ski resorts in the affected areas. Museums, which were forced to close last month and then allowed to reopen, will once again be closed. Churches can remain open, but religious and civil ceremonies including funerals are suspended. Shopping malls and outdoor markets will be closed on weekends.

The Lombardy regional government asked the Italian government in Rome to enact the new draconian steps because the containment measures currently in place haven’t blocked the spread of the virus, according to member of Lombardy’s regional council. Italian regions are roughly equivalent to U.S. states administratively, though they have less autonomy.

Italy has already suspended all schools and universities throughout the country. Sports events are allowed only behind closed doors. The government has urged the elderly to stay home, and everyone else to keep about 3 feet away from others when they are outside. Bars and restaurants have stayed open, but their clients must respect the minimum distance requirement or they would be forced to shut.

But the rapid daily rise of infections and deaths now is forcing more drastic action.

The government is walking a difficult line, trying to contain the virus while not suffocating the economy—which shrank in the fourth quarter of 2019 and is forecast to shrink again this quarter, pushing the country into recession.

Lombardy, in addition to being the country’s most populous region with 10 million people, is Italy’s industrial heartland, and putting it under full quarantine is likely to deal a severe economic blow.

About 85% of the virus cases in Italy have been in Lombardy as well as Emilia-Romagna and Veneto, the two regions where most of the 11 provinces to be put under lockdown are located. Those provinces include Venice, Parma and Modena.

Together, the three regions account for 40% of the country’s economic output.

US is just going to embrace the suck.

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1 hour ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Cases have increased by 60% in the US in the last 18 hours

We are up to 410 confirmed.    Does mean more testing, as we are probably in the thousands.  And this site updated to break it out by states.  

https://ncov2019.live

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8 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

 

@ernest_t_bass so about your trip this month.  You might want to ask NowThis for some tips on preparing to be screened thoroughly.  

[atomheartbevo 90057]

AISD has a message for those parents taking their kids to China, South Korea, Italy, or Iran over spring break:

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Parents of students who do travel to one of these countries over Spring Break or have plans to do so, should contact campus administration and plan to self-quarantine for 14 days after returning to the United States, per the CDC’s guidelines. The self-quarantine days will be counted as excused absences.

 

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10 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

AISD has a message for those parents taking their kids to China, South Korea, Italy, or Iran over spring break:

 

Same for HISD. 

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[The Ace of Aces 5328]

Wegmans today was sold out of toilet paper, lotion, rubbing alcohol, hand sanitizers and almost all water (wtf?). 
 

People are losing their goddamn minds.

Look at this nonsense. 

[washparkhorn 9939]

Sorry if already posted. American Hospital Association has provided guidelines for hospitals on what to expect with covid19 v. flu:

 

[FWD 297]

4 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Sorry if already posted. American Hospital Association has provided guidelines for hospitals on what to expect with covid19 v. flu:

 

Stop reposting this thing people, it is not from the AHA and the numbers don't make any sense.

[triplehorn 2664]

ACE2 receptor reprise

 

 

[Pato del Muerto 52886]

41 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

 

Have they managed to quarantine all the other passengers and crew that flew down with her?

[Royalfan5 2355]

https://www.omaha.com/livewellnebraska/health/fremont-schools-midland-university-closing-temporarily-because-of-coronavirus-scare/article_888d66b9-adb1-55ec-ba33-ef0961814ae7.html
 

The Omaha case participated in a basketball tournament in a local town of about 25k, then hit the VFW, and maybe a nursing home. One of the local high schools then made the state girls basketball finals, playing in three arenas in town, including where Nebraska plays although the home schedule is at least over 

[Neonmoon 38130]

Outbreak in 2-4 weeks in Nebraska?

[UTGrad98 2318]

10 minutes ago, FWD said:

Stop reposting this thing people, it is not from the AHA and the numbers don't make any sense.

We need an executive order where each time you knowingly post false or misleading information about the corona virus, they cut off a finger. Maybe if they have to post with their nose there will be some deterrence. 

[Francisco 2.0 32435]

6 hours ago, The_Great_Hornsby said:

This is so stupid. It is clear the panic is overblown. Australia has it well contained in their hot weather, which we should be getting in the next month in most places. 

They are up to 59 confirmed cases.  10th most of any country in the world.

For reference, Iceland has 50.  Weather might not have an effect on this thing.

[Royalfan5 2355]

1 minute ago, Neonmoon said:

Outbreak in 2-4 weeks in Nebraska?

Well with allergy season coming quick, we may not be able to tell the difference if it doesn’t. Hopefully it doesn’t run through the VFW, because I don’t think those guys are the best candidates for doing we with it if it is an outbreak 

[conVINCEd 21474]

Just now, UTGrad98 said:

We need an executive order where each time you knowingly post false or misleading information about the corona virus, they cut off a finger. Maybe if they have to post with their nose there will be some deterrence. 

Dotard would be fingerless by lunch.

[2300 Nueces 163]

6 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

ACE2 receptor reprise

 

 

There are cheaper and easier options.  They all contain natural compounds that attach to the virus and block attachment and/or replication

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4032839/

Bupleurum root extract

Wild indigo root

Isatis root extract

Myricetin

Houttuynia exract

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16115693

Sinigrin.... can be fount in....

Brussel Sprouts

Broccoli (Just EAT it!!!!!)

Mustard Greens

Mustard Seeds

 

 

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Bruce Lee / Forbes (yes, that's his name)

Some people may seem poop out of luck when trying to buy toilet paper, at least momentarily. That’s because the COVID-19 coronavirus outbreak has led to toilet paper hoarding and subsequent shortages in stores in different parts of the world, such as Australia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Canada, and the U.S. After all, when fear and panic are in the air, you tend to protect your loved ones, which, for some people, apparently are rolls of toilet paper. But before you start smuggling toilet paper, is this all really necessary in the end? Should you really be worried about toilet paper shortages?

To give you an idea of the situation, this Nine News Australia showed how shelves in stores in Australia have been, ahem, wiped clean:

Yes, you heard that correctly: 192,000 rolls were sold in half an hour. It’s looks like this buying frenzy has been due in large part to fears that lengthy quarantines may occur even though the Australian government has made no announcements of such plans. There also may be fears of supply chain disruptions from import restrictions a

Most Of Canada’s New Cases Of COVID-19 Are Linked To The U.S.

The discrepancy between what people are doing and what authorities are saying has made many on social media to essentially ask the toilet paper stockpilers, “what are you doing.” Or “what have you done” or dung, such as this tweet:

Before you wonder about what’s going on Down Under, keep in mind that Australia is not only country where toilet paper stockpiling is occurring. For example, this KPIX CBS SF Bay Area news segment reported on how some South San Francisco stores reported being sold of water and toilet paper:

And here is what apparently is happening in Canada:

Indeed, this panic buying has made toilet paper quite a valuable commodity in some places. For example, a few weeks ago in Hong Kong, an armed gang tried to steal not money, not gold bars, not crown jewels, and not even Baby Yoda figurines, but 600 rolls of toilet paper. This South China Morning Post video covered this grand theft TP roll:

Not exactly the plot for Ocean’s 14.

Of course, toilet paper has always had value. After all, there is nothing like covering yourself in bed with a bunch of toilet paper rolls, right? Plus, when it comes to pooping, you don’t want to take matters into your own hands, so to speak. Nonetheless, scenes like the following may be a bit much unless an entire family has gone on an all-prune diet:

And how many people previously have checked in toilet paper at the airport:

It’s gotten to the point where people are parodying the recent surge in value of TP, such as the video accompanying this tweet:

And another tweet tried to put things in perspective:

One could argue whether toilet paper belongs closer to love and belonging.

Again this toilet paper buying frenzy has not been the result of real experts urging the public to buy as much toilet paper as possible. In fact, government officials in different countries have been trying to re-assure people that there will be no toilet paper shortage during the outbreak, that such stockpiling is not the way to proceed in preparing for a possible pandemic. For example, Frances Mao writing for the BBC News quoted Australia's chief medical officer Dr. Brendan Murphy as saying: "We are trying to reassure people that removing all of the lavatory paper from the shelves of supermarkets probably isn't a proportionate or sensible thing to do at this time."

However, this situation can be a bit like poop in a toilet that’s being flushed: a vicious cycle. If you see others hoard toilet paper, that may in turn may make you worried that panic, regardless of whether it is justified, will lead to actual shortages. Thus, even if you don’t necessarily panic about the new coronarvirus and don’t believe that quarantines will occur, you still may panic-buy toilet paper as well, because you fear that the fear of others may lead to no TP. Oh, TP or not TP. It’s the classic fear of missing out, except that it’s toilet paper. And the out is what will come out of your rear end.

Currently, there’s no indication that lengthy quarantines will occur in the U.S. or many of the countries where the toilet paper stockpiling is occurring. There also doesn’t seem to be any evidence that toilet paper supply chains will be disrupted anytime soon. So it doesn’t seem necessary to make your bathroom look like this:

Nevertheless, re-assuring the public that toilet paper will be available can be challenging. Rumors, fears, and conspiracy theories have been spreading faster than the virus. People will do what they do, especially when it comes to doo-doo.

While toilet paper hoarding may be the number one option for some, regardless of what officials are urging, there seems to be some number two options as well. For example, according to Google Trends, Google searches for the word “bidet” went up significantly over the past few days in Australia. Now, it’s not quite clear how many of these searchers will actually end of doing any emergency bidet installations. Some may be exploring other types of paper too such as:

And there’s even talk of, gasp, reusable toilet paper, as mentioned by Kelly Corbett writing for House Beautiful. This is toilet paper made out of something like cloth that can be washed and reused. Re-usable shopping bags may be one thing, but reusable toilet paper? If you do plan on trying such toilet paper, do not, do not, do not miss the word “wash before use” in the instructions.

Of course, just talking about toilet paper shortages could in itself trigger more toilet paper stockpiling. Keep in mind, though, that these reported toilet paper shortages seem to just be temporary stock-outs at stores. Just because a store is out of TP for a short time, doesn’t mean that replenishment will not come soon. There’s a big difference between a store saying that they happen to be out of stock today versus companies saying that toilet paper production is not meeting or won’t meet overall demand. Overall production and supply is the poop that you should be paying attention to and not what you are seeing at stores or hearing from those who are not in the know. During a public health emergency, rather than follow what other people are doing, it’s better to pay attention to what government officials and experts are actually recommending in the end.

Bruce Y. Lee

I am a writer, journalist, professor, systems modeler, computational and digital health expert, avocado-eater, and entrepreneur, not always in that order. Currently, I am a Professor of Health Policy and Management at the City University of New York (CUNY), Executive Director of PHICOR (@PHICORteam), Associate Professor at the Johns Hopkins Carey Business School, and founder and CEO of Symsilico. My previous positions include serving as Executive Director of the Global Obesity Prevention Center (GOPC) at Johns Hopkins University, Associate Professor of International Health at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, Associate Professor of Medicine and Biomedical Informatics at the University of Pittsburgh, and Senior Manager at Quintiles Transnational, working in biotechnology equity research at Montgomery Securities, and co-founding a biotechnology/bioinformatics company. My work involves developing computational approaches, models, and tools to help health and healthcare decision makers in all continents (except for Antarctica) and has been supported by a wide variety of sponsors such as the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, the NIH, AHRQ, CDC, UNICEF, USAID and the Global Fund. I have authored over 200 scientific publications and three books. Follow me on Twitter (@bruce_y_lee) but don’t ask me if I know martial arts.

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47 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

We are up to 410 confirmed.    Does mean more testing, as we are probably in the thousands.  And this site updated to break it out by states.  

https://ncov2019.live

Another site for visuals this time

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

[Macanudo 13092]

24 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Sorry if already posted. American Hospital Association has provided guidelines for hospitals on what to expect with covid19 v. flu:

 

In the next 2 months the AHA is projecting 1/2 a mil in deaths when it hasn't killed more than 4k worldwide yet?

[Underdog 28875]

57 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

 

Poor bastard(husband). 

[justhookit 4191]

14 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Have they managed to quarantine all the other passengers and crew that flew down with her?

Too late for that. They already have another case brought in via Panama and a couple of other suspect cases. This lady was just the first identified carrier. 

[atomheartbevo 90057]

We will pass Japan tonight or in the morning for confirmed cases.  Spain tomorrow.  

Sobering.  

Following the CDC’s lead, Colorado joins what appears to be a growing list of states who refuse to provide testing information.   

So we could be in a situation where we get 33 new cases pop up somewhere, and they only tested 50 people, etc, like the cruise ship getting 21 positives out of 46 tested.   And that’s before we get into the fact that there is an effort to shut down testing in areas.  

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13 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

In the next 2 months the AHA is projecting 1/2 a mil in deaths when it hasn't killed more than 4k worldwide yet?

Nope.  The guy tweeting that has had to issue some corrections.  But of course didn't pull the original misleading tweet.  His source article says no time frame was given.

Spoiler

 

 

 

The slide is from the businessinsider.com article:

https://www.businessinsider.com/presentation-us-hospitals-preparing-for-millions-of-hospitalizations-2020-3

Edited March 8, 2020 by clapclapclap

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[Hanrahan 1306]

They are up to 59 confirmed cases.  10th most of any country in the world.
For reference, Iceland has 50.  Weather might not have an effect on this thing.

There’s like two dozen people living in Iceland.

[conVINCEd 21474]

Just now, Hanrahan said:

There’s like two dozen people living in Iceland.

Also a couple hundred thousand tourists.

[ShaggyBevo RIP 3868]

15 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

In the next 2 months the AHA is projecting 1/2 a mil in deaths when it hasn't killed more than 4k worldwide yet?

If cases are doubling every 2.5 days and the death rate is indeed 3.4% it would be more like 60K dead in two months which is in the ball park of double the US flu death numbers for the last 5 months.

Edited March 8, 2020 by ShaggyBevo RIP

[staboner 5015]

well, i got to wipe my but with only one side of the toilet paper today. praise jesus. 

 

 

[NAVY 6847]

Front to back dude 

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/what-went-wrong-with-the-coronavirus-tests/2020/03/07/915f5dea-5d82-11ea-b29b-9db42f7803a7_story.html

What went wrong with the coronavirus tests in the U.S.

tl;dr:  

1.  CDC bungled the test kit and has issues

2. Bureaucratic restrictions, turf fights, and inertia prevented simultaneous development of tests by academic and private groups, despite an emergency declaration.

3. No one took charge early on to push through and overcome the bureaucracy.  

4. "Mistaken assumptions were made."   Leadership vacuum.

We've only had 18.5 years, through control by both parties, to prepare for such an emergency....

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34 minutes ago, Hanrahan said:

There’s like two dozen people living in Iceland.

They have 332,000-ish people living there. 50 cases there is like 53,000 here. We can get there, I’m sure. 

[ChiTownDoc 21229]

Live report from Vegas.  Not enough people dying. 

[GRHorn 105]

Some interesting points in this tweet thread. Another one who thinks containment is out the door. 

I would be interested to see the data on influenza like illness in Seattle over the last couple months. Might give clue to how long it’s already been here. 

 

 

[GRHorn 105]

2 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Live report from Vegas.  Not enough people dying. 

Jesus Christ. That’s the most fat chicks I’ve seen congregate at a Vegas pool. Are you somewhere downtown? Do they have pools down there?

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[Liquor and Poker 3659]

7 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

Jesus Christ. That’s the most fat chicks I’ve seen congregate at a Vegas pool. Are you somewhere downtown? Do they have pools down there?

Wrong people got sick.  

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13 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Live report from Vegas.  Not enough people dying. 

Some dork accountant thinks he's pretty funny

[ChiTownDoc 21229]

8 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

Jesus Christ. That’s the most fat chicks I’ve seen congregate at a Vegas pool. Are you somewhere downtown? Do they have pools down there?

It’s shit bc that’s gen pop.  Cabanas have the hot ones.  

[BrickHorn 18325]

15 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Live report from Vegas.  Not enough people dying. 

This is why the terrorists hate us.

[Somnio 751]

Skip to about 6:30 minutes and watch.  She's not saying anything particularly noteworthy, but she is barely holding it together.

This woman is a professional, and has seen some shit.  It makes me wonder what information she is privy to that would cause her to almost tear up at a press conference.

Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but I don't think she would have had a moment like this for "just a bad strain of the flu" when she's been knee deep in Ebola and SARS outbreaks.

Her credentials:

https://www.spph.ubc.ca/person/bonnie-henry/

Edited March 8, 2020 by Somnio

[atomheartbevo 90057]

Kansas, Missouri, and D.C. have also joined the club with Virginia today.  

Hopefully he’s older and not living on post   

 

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