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The NBA season being suspended due to one player coming down with it is bad bad news. Makes me wonder what's going to happen when there's an outbreak at the refineries in Houston, or at the water and electricity plants. Only a matter of time before a ups, fedex or Amazon driver tests positive and they get shut down. Shit is getting real.

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Just now, NateHitch said:

The NBA season being suspended due to one player coming down with it is bad bad news. Makes me wonder what's going to happen when there's an outbreak at the refineries in Houston, or at the water and electricity plants. Only a matter of time before a ups, fedex or Amazon driver tests positive and they get shut down. Shit is getting real.

The nba was strongly heading in that direction before the positive test.

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3 minutes ago, NateHitch said:

The NBA season being suspended due to one player coming down with it is bad bad news. Makes me wonder what's going to happen when there's an outbreak at the refineries in Houston, or at the water and electricity plants. Only a matter of time before a ups, fedex or Amazon driver tests positive and they get shut down. Shit is getting real.


 

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The NBA season being suspended due to one player coming down with it is bad bad news. Makes me wonder what's going to happen when there's an outbreak at the refineries in Houston, or at the water and electricity plants. Only a matter of time before a ups, fedex or Amazon driver tests positive and they get shut down. Shit is getting real.


Nba board of governors were consensus on at a minimum playing empty arenas, but a freeze was also being strongly considered, that was before Gobert
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Local sheriff retweets a Houston City council members letter opposing the cancellation of the Houston Rodeo.  Rednecks reply with, so stupid, it’s a dumocrit conspiracy, ect and my favorite is “there has to be legal action that can be taken against Mayor Turner for this!!!”

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2 minutes ago, Stunns38 said:

I haven’t heard this discussed but do y’all foresee a breakdown of law and order? We hypothetically get quarantined for longer than 2 weeks and riots probably will happen.

Maybe. Is this the first time Facebook has gone head to head with a pandemic? 

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I haven’t heard this discussed but do y’all foresee a breakdown of law and order? We hypothetically get quarantined for longer than 2 weeks and riots probably will happen.

I actually don’t. Other than a few regarded folks that live in fantasy land, people are starting to figure out how to beat this with social distancing. 

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2 hours ago, Shaggybevo said:

Any word about the WNBA?

They just announced on whatever channel is on that the NCAA Tournament, "both men's and women's will be played in empty arenas."

Me: "Isn't the women's tournament always played in empty arenas?"

Wife: "You're an asshole sometimes."

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4 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

They just announced on whatever channel is on that the NCAA Tournament, "both men's and women's will be played in empty arenas."

Me: "Isn't the women's tournament always played in empty arenas?"

Wife: "You're an asshole sometimes."

Before even reading your comment, I thought that in my head LOL

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You can't just turn the stock market off. People will continue to speculate after hours. As soon as it reopens everything will correct.

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going to the hill with a financial relief for workers ill, quarantined or caring for infected

When he mentioned that, and tried to claim it was not a financial crisis or whatever (I know, he was campaigning/trying to rally Wall Street), my first thought was “yeah, it’s absolutely going to be a financial crisis for a helluva lot of Americans.  Probably already is.”

I’ve had friends go into massive debt over hospital bills from illnesses far less nasty than this.  

Is this relief going to cover those medical bills of folks who end up in the hospital for 2-3 weeks in ICU, and then have to convalescence at home a while longer?   What about mortgages or rent for these folks, many of whom are employed by companies that won’t pay for them to be out for a month or more, or can’t pay that out.   

And that’s not touching on all of the two-week quarantines.

Kudos to him for not trying to compare it to the flu, although I think he may want to walk back the part about it being temporary - we could easily have a couple of months of shit, and that doesn’t feel too temporary when you’re talking about people dying or their lives changing.   

Going to have to hear more about this financial relief.   It’s going to have to be massive.  Payroll tax cuts won’t pay the hospital bills.  

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https://www.newsweek.com/young-unafraid-coronavirus-pandemic-good-you-now-stop-killing-people-opinion-1491797?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0usxclzEzbLHnSMdGq-juKeTcza-5sSHXHFh5fuBR0XZrfvbZgW-0V518#Echobox=1583952007

YOUNG AND UNAFRAID OF THE CORONAVIRUS PANDEMIC? GOOD FOR YOU. NOW STOP KILLING PEOPLE

...But why the urgency, if most people survive?

Here's why: Fatality is the wrong yardstick. Catching the virus can mess up your life in many, many more ways than just straight-up killing you. "We are all young"—okay. "Even if we get the bug, we will survive"—fantastic. How about needing four months of physical therapy before you even feel human again. Or getting scar tissue in your lungs and having your activity level restricted for the rest of your life. Not to mention having every chance of catching another bug in hospital, while you're being treated or waiting to get checked with an immune system distracted even by the false alarm of an ordinary flu...

...Put aside statistics. Here is how it looks in practice. Most of my childhood friends are now doctors working in north Italy. In Milan, in Bergamo, in Padua, they are having to choose between intubating a 40-year-old with two kids, a 40-year old who is fit and healthy with no co-morbidities, and a 60-year-old with high blood pressure, because they don't have enough beds. In the hallway, meanwhile, there are another 15 people waiting who are already hardly breathing and need oxygen.

The army is trying to bring some of them to other regions with helicopters but it's not enough: the flow is just too much, too many people are getting sick at the same time....

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I'm a doctor in a major hospital in Western Europe. Watching you Americans (and you, Brits) in these still-early days of the coronavirus pandemic is like watching a familiar horror movie, where the protagonists, yet again, split into pairs or decide to take a tour of a dark basement.

The real-life versions of this behavior are pretending this is just a flu; keeping schools open; following through with your holiday travel plans, and going into the office daily. This is what we did in Italy. We were so complacent that even when people with coronavirus symptoms started turning up, we wrote each off as a nasty case of the flu. We kept the economy going, pointed fingers at China and urged tourists to keep traveling. And the majority of us told ourselves and each other: this isn't so bad. We're young, we're fit, we'll be fine even if we catch it.

Fast-forward two months, and we are drowning. Statistically speaking—judging by the curve in China—we are not even at the peak yet, but our fatality rate is at over 6 percent, double the known global average.

Put aside statistics. Here is how it looks in practice. Most of my childhood friends are now doctors working in north Italy. In Milan, in Bergamo, in Padua, they are having to choose between intubating a 40-year-old with two kids, a 40-year old who is fit and healthy with no co-morbidities, and a 60-year-old with high blood pressure, because they don't have enough beds. In the hallway, meanwhile, there are another 15 people waiting who are already hardly breathing and need oxygen.

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The army is trying to bring some of them to other regions with helicopters but it's not enough: the flow is just too much, too many people are getting sick at the same time.

We are still awaiting the peak of the epidemic in Europe: probably early April for Italy, mid-April for Germany and Switzerland, somewhere around that time for the UK. In the U.S., the infection has only just begun.

But until we're past the peak, the only solution is to impose social restrictions.

And if your government is hesitating, these restrictions are up to you. Stay put. Do not travel. Cancel that family reunion, the promotion party and the big night out. This really sucks, but these are special times. Don't take risks. Do not go to places where you are more than 20 people in the same room. It's not safe and it's not worth it.

But why the urgency, if most people survive?

Here's why: Fatality is the wrong yardstick. Catching the virus can mess up your life in many, many more ways than just straight-up killing you. "We are all young"—okay. "Even if we get the bug, we will survive"—fantastic. How about needing four months of physical therapy before you even feel human again. Or getting scar tissue in your lungs and having your activity level restricted for the rest of your life. Not to mention having every chance of catching another bug in hospital, while you're being treated or waiting to get checked with an immune system distracted even by the false alarm of an ordinary flu. No travel for leisure or business is worth this risk.

Now, odds are, you might catch coronavirus and might not even get symptoms. Great. Good for you. Very bad for everyone else, from your own grandparents to the random older person who got on the subway train a stop or two after you got off. You're fine, you're barely even sneezing or coughing, but you're walking around and you kill a couple of old ladies without even knowing it. Is that fair? You tell me.

My personal as well as professional view: we all have a duty to stay put, except for very special reasons, like, you go to work because you work in healthcare, or you have to save a life and bring someone to hospital, or go out to shop for food so you can survive. But when we get to this stage of a pandemic, it's really important not to spread the bug. The only thing that helps is social restriction. Ideally, the government should issue that instruction and provide a financial fallback—compensate business owners, ease the financial load on everyone as much as possible and reduce the incentive of risking your life or the lives of others just to make ends meet. But if your government or company is slow on the uptake, don't be that person. Take responsibility. For all but essential movement, restrict yourself.

This is epidemiology 101. It really sucks. It is extreme—but luckily, we don't have pandemics of this violence every year. So sit it out. Stay put. Don't travel. It is absolutely not worth it.

It's the civic and moral duty of every person, everywhere, to take part in the global effort to reduce this threat to humanity. To postpone any movement or travel that are not vitally essential, and to spread the disease as little as possible. Have your fun in June, July and August when this—hopefully—is over. Stay safe. Good luck.

The author is a senior doctor in a major European hospital. She asked to remain anonymous because she has not been authorized to speak to the press.

 

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2 minutes ago, Tailgate said:

I don’t see how they play the Masters Tournament starting April 9. How will the Europeans get here? 
 

Oh, the stories we will have for the grandkids.

Special exemptions will be made for the Euros to play in the Master's.  I'm sure they will be tested before they are allowed to compete.  All of the golfers may be tested before being allowed to compete, but it shouldn't be that big of a deal.  The biggest problem may be for the golfers in that they won't have the gallery to keep wayward shots from going too wayward. 

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2 hours ago, Goofyboy said:

Based on the people I have on Facebook, we are fucked no matter what the government does. The number of “this is bullshit” and “when did we become weak and listen to media hysteria” posts is nauseating.

1234.  I’m seeing folks who throw fucking pity parties when they get a cold or flus and wanting attention.  This will blow their minds.  

I do know some who are blowing it off publicly, who are prepping, and the stores doe reflect it.  

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23 minutes ago, Stunns38 said:

I haven’t heard this discussed but do y’all foresee a breakdown of law and order? We hypothetically get quarantined for longer than 2 weeks and riots probably will happen.

Depends on the grocery stores staying open and stocked, utilities still up and running, and people having reasonable access to care if they need it.  If we still have that, everyone not needed to run critical stuff is probably OK at home for a while.

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https://www.upi.com/Science_News/2020/03/11/Coronavirus-can-live-in-air-for-3-hours-on-surfaces-for-2-3-days/8121583963038/

...For the study, scientists used a nebulizer to spray the coronavirus into the air in a manner similar to a cough. The virus could be detected in the air up to 3 hours later. Researchers also placed samples on a variety of surfaces. They found the virus could survive for up to 4 hours on copper, as many as 24 hours on cardboard, and two to three days on plastic and stainless steel...

...An earlier survey of the available scientific literature on the complete family of coronaviruses -- SARS coronavirus, the Middle East Respiratory Syndrome coronavirus and endemic human coronaviruses -- showed some of the viruses can can persist on inanimate surfaces such as metal, glass and plastic for up to nine days.

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I haven’t heard this discussed but do y’all foresee a breakdown of law and order? We hypothetically get quarantined for longer than 2 weeks and riots probably will happen.

No. A blend of fear once things get hotter and seeing that quarantine/social distancing is the only way to beat this will keep people bought in.
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Oldest is at SMU. President Turner told the school today that classes were still on, in classrooms, for the week after spring break. Week of March 23rd.

Oldest was texting me earlier with this news and I was like WTF.

Well, just got this...guess the Student Senate held an emergency meeting tonight and are presenting this tomorrow morning.

Good for them.

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29 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

When he mentioned that, and tried to claim it was not a financial crisis or whatever (I know, he was campaigning/trying to rally Wall Street), my first thought was “yeah, it’s absolutely going to be a financial crisis for a helluva lot of Americans.  Probably already is.”

I’ve had friends go into massive debt over hospital bills from illnesses far less nasty than this.  

Is this relief going to cover those medical bills of folks who end up in the hospital for 2-3 weeks in ICU, and then have to convalescence at home a while longer?   What about mortgages or rent for these folks, many of whom are employed by companies that won’t pay for them to be out for a month or more, or can’t pay that out.   

And that’s not touching on all of the two-week quarantines.

Kudos to him for not trying to compare it to the flu, although I think he may want to walk back the part about it being temporary - we could easily have a couple of months of shit, and that doesn’t feel too temporary when you’re talking about people dying or their lives changing.   

Going to have to hear more about this financial relief.   It’s going to have to be massive.  Payroll tax cuts won’t pay the hospital bills.  

Probably?

Fuck no.

Rent/mortgages of folks affected are not the only ones who will be fucked.  Many many poors and small businesses who have to suffer a quarantine will get fucked.

 

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14 minutes ago, gmr548 said:


No. A blend of fear once things get hotter and seeing that quarantine/social distancing is the only way to beat this will keep people bought in.

Yeah, a pandemic is different from other kinds of apocalypse scenarios. People want to stay away from each other. Should be less looting & break ins. 

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3 hours ago, BBQ2Bayou said:

I'm guessing this is a dumb question, but I assume not preparing your own food is a very bad idea right now? Is that being preached anywhere? 

I've been wondering about this and have searched online but haven't seen any kind of answer from any decent source at all. just to be cautious we stopped eating at restaurants over the weekend and I've picked up take out and gotten delivery a couple of times but I've either nuked it or put it in the oven at 400° for about 10 to 12 minutes. I would imagine that would be sufficient to kill any virus on it but if not I would sure like to know what it is

In my research I did find articles about Wuhan where the food delivery business boomed and the major food delivery companies were giving thousands of free deliveries to medical personnel. I could see something similar happening here

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Are there enough stupid and ignorant people in this country that the worst case is inevitable?

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