Formerly DT: COVID-19 - Featuring Lots of Politics, now CR because political talk not going away

[deadshank 24653]

1 hour ago, UDontKnow said:

I would like to be wrong. But I don't see how this can be done quickly and not be a complete clusterfuck.

The fat person scooters would be gridlocked. 

[triplehorn 2664]

20 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

fecal shedding through shared plumbing is also a probable contributing factor in wuhan.  this was reported in the hong kong press.  not for the age of buildings but because of the "shitty" quality of the plumbing and the fact that the residents do their own plumbing when they remodel.

 

1 hour ago, heso said:

I’ve had a nearly identical experience for the last few days and have been wondering if I have it. It’s unlikely, as there aren’t any confirmed cases in the city yet. I know there are about 5 presumptive positives in local hospitals right now. Ohio claiming they have 100,000 cases makes me wonder if I do. 

I know I couldn’t get tested right now if I wanted to.  I’ve definitely found myself hoping it’s a mild covid. 

 

 

Study: COVID-19 Is Also Spread by Fecal-Oral Route— Also new: Like SARS, COVID-19 may induce liver damage

 

"New research from China indicates that the novel coronavirus is also spread by fecal-oral transmission, not just by respiratory droplets or environmental contact.

Hong Shan, MD, PhD, of Fifth Affiliated Hospital, Sun Yat-sen University, in Zhuhai, Guangdong Province, and colleagues noted that the gastrointestinal tract is a welcoming environment for the virus, also known as severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) CoV-2. "Our immunofluorescent data showed that the ACE2 protein, which has been proved to be a cell receptor for SARS-CoV-2, is abundantly expressed in the glandular cells of gastric, duodenal, and rectal epithelia, supporting the entry of SARS-CoV-2 into the host cell," the team wrote.

New research from China indicates that the novel coronavirus is also spread by fecal-oral transmission, not just by respiratory droplets or environmental contact.

Hong Shan, MD, PhD, of Fifth Affiliated Hospital, Sun Yat-sen University, in Zhuhai, Guangdong Province, and colleagues noted that the gastrointestinal tract is a welcoming environment for the virus, also known as severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) CoV-2. "Our immunofluorescent data showed that the ACE2 protein, which has been proved to be a cell receptor for SARS-CoV-2, is abundantly expressed in the glandular cells of gastric, duodenal, and rectal epithelia, supporting the entry of SARS-CoV-2 into the host cell," the team wrote.

Among the key findings of the study, published online in Gastroenterology:

• A significant portion of coronavirus patients experience diarrhea, nausea, vomiting, and/or abdominal discomfort before the onset of respiratory symptoms

• Viral RNA is detectable in fecal samples from suspected cases, indicating that the virus sheds into the stool

• Viral gastrointestinal infection and potential fecal-oral transmission can last even after viral clearance from the respiratory tract

The study looked at 73 patients hospitalized for possible COVID-19 and tested from February 1 to 14, 2020. Testing included serum, nasopharyngeal, and oropharyngeal swabs, as well as urine, stool, and tissue samples in accordance with China Disease Control and Prevention guidelines.

A total of 39 patients (53.4%; 25 males and 14 females), tested positive for fecal SARS-CoV-2 RNA. The age of patients with positive RNA in stool ranged from 10 months to 78 years, and the duration of stool positivity ranged from 1 to 12 days. Furthermore, the stool of 17 patients (23.3%) remained positive even after respiratory samples tested negative.

cont."

 

^^^  That first bullet point above is what happened to me.  Single episode of diarrhea out of the blue end of last week, followed by onset of upper airway resistance to breathing starting in back of throat down my trachea and a sense of pressure or heaviness further down in center area my lungs early this week.  Last two days it's more noticeable a 3-4/10.  If it were to turn up to a 7/10, I could see it feeling like I couldn't breathe or have to work for every breath.  If it holds right  here I'm good.  Called my PCP office a bit ago and they said since I didn't meet criteria a test wasn't available.  wow.  

The fecal-oral route, if this is what it is, had to come from wrestling with my kid.  Those grubby hands on my face and covering my mouth is pretty routine.  

 

[Thetexashammer 1062]

2 minutes ago, pacman said:

only thing worse than a cr-like post in a non-cr thread are the ten generic follow-up posts shitting on CR

There is an east solution. I can't imagine what immamac is waiting for.

Edited March 13, 2020 by Thetexashammer

[pacman 7359]

1 minute ago, Pancho said:

 

Nearly impossible due to access issues.  Something will have to give if this is the route they go to. 

surprise: surly 10%'ers/1%'ers/whatever don't understand that not every school-aged child has access to internet, food, etc.

[Beantown Express 2.0 6559]

5 minutes ago, C-Man said:

And raining in Dallas for the foreseeable future ...

It's bad enough I can't travel for work and already work from home but at least with sunshine next week in Dallas I could have hit the links every day.  

[Js1 85372]

2 minutes ago, dcbc said:

Admin announced upthread that people who post C/R stuff here are going to have every post thereafter individually moderated for a week and, because he is busy, that means a post made today wouldn't show up until next week at the earliest.  The "conniptions" likely are efforts made to prevent this from taking place.

People's Republic of Surly. 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

And 48 deaths.   Read they are going to test the recently deceased from that nursing home, that weren’t tested before, so that will go up.

That’s where I’m at... the deaths aren’t spiking by astronomical amounts outside of the nursing home in Washington. And yes I know this disease has been here for probably 2 months.

[2300 Nueces 163]

I've developed a post nasal drip.  I'm going to self immolate.

[pacman 7359]

Just now, 2300 Nueces said:

I've developed a post nasal drip.  I'm going to self immolate.

which mattress are you hiding your money under?

Edited March 13, 2020 by pacman

[2300 Nueces 163]

Just now, pacman said:

which mattress are you hiding your money under?

The funny one.

[ShaggyBevo RIP 3868]

I'm personally looking forward to seeing this nationally, which has been live in Colorado for a couple days now.  I wonder how long the federal initiative will take to spin up and when we'll start to see them in action?  I am sure it will suck at the start, the one in Denver is overwhelmed now, but they should get it smoothed out eventually.

Quite a few around the country already. Wife’s system opened theirs yesterday.


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[crimsonlonghorn 2306]

2 hours ago, Casual Encounter said:

Easy, they vaccinated their entire population before releasing it on the world.

You laugh, but I've had that exact thought about the Chinese leadership. 

[Goredho 17408]

Just now, ShaggyBevo RIP said:

Quite a few around the country already. Wife’s system opened theirs yesterday.


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Cool, glad to hear it.

[Pato del Muerto 52510]

Man, went to buy a couple of guns and come back to 10 new pages. 

[2300 Nueces 163]

Pretty sure they have some requirements before one gets a test.

[Bevo 13578]

Surprisingly, grand rounds in Houston was saying that fomites were the major spreaders rather than airborne particles.

[Hank_Hill 18870]

Just now, Pato del Muerto said:

Man, went to buy a couple of guns and come back to 10 new pages. 

CR that shit

[Liquor and Poker 3659]

Just now, Pato del Muerto said:

Man, went to buy a couple of guns and come back to 10 new pages. 

You didn't miss anything.

[2300 Nueces 163]

2 minutes ago, crimsonlonghorn said:

You laugh, but I've had that exact thought about the Chinese leadership. 

Oh, no doubt. They are the scum of the earth. We need to break free from them somehow. 

[Message Board User 12395]

3 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Surprisingly, grand rounds in Houston was saying that fomites were the major spreaders rather than airborne particles.

Those damn fomites.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

what are fomites? 

[Paper_jam 831]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

This is aging poorly, but representative of testing early on

Someone with a lot more energy and talent than me should do a Covid-19 version of that "angry Hitler" meme video from the movie Downfall.

 

[crimsonlonghorn 2306]

1 hour ago, Murfdogg21 said:

Butterfly effect: 3 months ago a Wuhan chinaman ate an undercooked bat and today all American sports are cancelled. 

You forgot the part about walking past the virology lab after he ate the bat and bumping into the Chinese version of Charles Campion as he was sliding under the closing door. 

[dingleberryswitzer 2724]

9 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

Nearly impossible due to access issues.  Something will have to give if this is the route they go to. 

That and the fact that probably 99% of the teachers have had no training or experience in online instruction.  Then you are relying on the students to actually take it seriously, (which, honestly I wouldn't have at those ages).  Older kids might be babysitting younger siblings.  And that's not even considering teachers or students get sick.

Even if 90% of the students participate in the online instruction, wtf you going to do with the 10%?

 

[F250 28777]

1 hour ago, clapclapclap said:

Interesting stat just now in the WH press conference:  Only 1% of the US CV tests performed by Quest Diagnostics have been positive for CV.

Hmmm... Sounds suspicious like SEC steroid testing suspicious.

 

[DonnyKerabatsos 86]

12 minutes ago, 2300 Nueces said:

I've developed a post nasal drip.  I'm going to self immolate.

 

[crimsonlonghorn 2306]

On the bright side today, HEB is apparently sold out of eggs and someone posted on Facebook that our farm was selling them. We've had a never-ending parade of people at the farm today buying eggs. A week ago I was running out of places to keep them because the hens were ramping up early this spring with the warm weather. 

On the downside, now my wife and I are going to get sick because every fucking stranger in West Sugar Land is stopping by the farm today. 

[Bevo 13578]

14 minutes ago, triplehorn said:

 

 

 

Study: COVID-19 Is Also Spread by Fecal-Oral Route— Also new: Like SARS, COVID-19 may induce liver damage

 

"New research from China indicates that the novel coronavirus is also spread by fecal-oral transmission, not just by respiratory droplets or environmental contact.

Hong Shan, MD, PhD, of Fifth Affiliated Hospital, Sun Yat-sen University, in Zhuhai, Guangdong Province, and colleagues noted that the gastrointestinal tract is a welcoming environment for the virus, also known as severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) CoV-2. "Our immunofluorescent data showed that the ACE2 protein, which has been proved to be a cell receptor for SARS-CoV-2, is abundantly expressed in the glandular cells of gastric, duodenal, and rectal epithelia, supporting the entry of SARS-CoV-2 into the host cell," the team wrote.

New research from China indicates that the novel coronavirus is also spread by fecal-oral transmission, not just by respiratory droplets or environmental contact.

Hong Shan, MD, PhD, of Fifth Affiliated Hospital, Sun Yat-sen University, in Zhuhai, Guangdong Province, and colleagues noted that the gastrointestinal tract is a welcoming environment for the virus, also known as severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) CoV-2. "Our immunofluorescent data showed that the ACE2 protein, which has been proved to be a cell receptor for SARS-CoV-2, is abundantly expressed in the glandular cells of gastric, duodenal, and rectal epithelia, supporting the entry of SARS-CoV-2 into the host cell," the team wrote.

Among the key findings of the study, published online in Gastroenterology:

• A significant portion of coronavirus patients experience diarrhea, nausea, vomiting, and/or abdominal discomfort before the onset of respiratory symptoms

• Viral RNA is detectable in fecal samples from suspected cases, indicating that the virus sheds into the stool

• Viral gastrointestinal infection and potential fecal-oral transmission can last even after viral clearance from the respiratory tract

The study looked at 73 patients hospitalized for possible COVID-19 and tested from February 1 to 14, 2020. Testing included serum, nasopharyngeal, and oropharyngeal swabs, as well as urine, stool, and tissue samples in accordance with China Disease Control and Prevention guidelines.

A total of 39 patients (53.4%; 25 males and 14 females), tested positive for fecal SARS-CoV-2 RNA. The age of patients with positive RNA in stool ranged from 10 months to 78 years, and the duration of stool positivity ranged from 1 to 12 days. Furthermore, the stool of 17 patients (23.3%) remained positive even after respiratory samples tested negative.

cont."

 

^^^  That first bullet point above is what happened to me.  Single episode of diarrhea out of the blue end of last week, followed by onset of upper airway resistance to breathing starting in back of throat down my trachea and a sense of pressure or heaviness further down in center area my lungs early this week.  Last two days it's more noticeable a 3-4/10.  If it were to turn up to a 7/10, I could see it feeling like I couldn't breathe or have to work for every breath.  If it holds right  here I'm good.

Same exact onset. My kid at CPHS had something and passed it along to us. I feel like I have a little asthma now. Nothing too serious. I felt some fatigue yesterday, and a headache the last two days but none today. First cold I've had in a few years.

[Bevo 13578]

7 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

Those damn fomites.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

what are fomites? 

objects which are likely to carry infection, such as door handles, clothes, and furniture

[conVINCEd 21469]

29 minutes ago, Zepol87 said:

1 hour ago, conVINCEd said:

Pleasant Grove seedy, or Walnut Hill/35 seedy?

Both about the same but I no Weller in the Grove usually

I prefer my seedy areas to be more of the grimy, industrial wasteland.  And before anybody calls me racist, I’m willing to bet that I’ve spent more time in the Grove than 99% of this board.

[Deej 76820]

31 minutes ago, Loco said:

By cheap you mean more expensive than gasoline.

You are getting ripped off if you are paying more for bottled water than for gas. It's $3.50 for 45 16.9 ounce bottles at Costco, which comes to roughly 60 cents a gallon. 

[hopkinsnhorns 533]

16 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Surprisingly, grand rounds in Houston was saying that fomites were the major spreaders rather than airborne particles.

That's what my body (research physician at Methodist) has told me as well.  Mostly contracted touching fomite then touching your face.

He also said that he suspects that Houston may have had a bout of this pass through as early as December of last year.  He said that he thinks it's possible that it was actually COVID19 that sent my wife to the hospital on NYE.  She never tested positive to any form of flu and we didn't have any knowledge on the new virus at that time.  Her symptoms fit the virus as well, with rapid onset atypical pneumonia (damaged/inflamed lung tissue vs. fluid in the lung).  It made a lot of sense when we were talking about it last night.  Whatever it was, I had it before her and it knocked me on my ass big time.  It also burned through all of our friends and relatives in the area over the next few weeks.  As far as I know, none of them tested positive for any known flu at that time either.

Edited March 13, 2020 by hopkinsnhorns

[Bozo_Casanova 26477]

23 minutes ago, Pancho said:

 

Nearly impossible due to access issues.  Something will have to give if this is the route they go to. 

IN all seriousness this and the food insecurity issue are a real problem.

[Mikey4 2476]

So we can't tell people to go eat shit anymore?

[InkaUtexas 25955]

19 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Man, went to buy a couple of guns and come back to 10 new pages. 

what do you expect with everyone working from home and no sports. It is Friday, the 13th, and we are bored. But fuck it, have beer. 

[pearlandhorn 3273]

I needed beef and chicken so I thought:  I'll just swing by Costco on my way home from work.  Bad idea.  They were completely out of chicken.  Thighs, breast, everything.

Some fuck head had his entire cart full of ground beef.  Told him he was a lunatic and grabbed 4 pounds out of his cart.  Costco employee came up to him and said he couldn't take all the beef.  It's like hurricane Harvey all over again except people are more crazy.

 

 

[Goredho 17408]

Colorado entered the death zone.

https://www.denverpost.com/2020/03/13/colorado-coronavirus-death/
 

State health officials on Friday announced a person has died in Colorado from the new coronavirus, making it the first death amid the outbreak of the highly infectious disease.

The person who died, a woman in her 80s, lived in El Paso County. The woman had underlying health conditions, according to a news release.

“While we were expecting this day, it doesn’t make it any less difficult to hear and share this news. As a state we are in mourning and our hearts go out to the family and loved ones of the Coloradan we lost,” Gov. Jared Polis said in a statement.

There were 72 cases of COVID-19, the highly contagious respiratory disease caused by the new coronavirus, in Colorado as of Friday morning. Among those were eight people who were in the hospital, at least three of whom were in critical condition, state health officials said.

 

[Js1 85372]

 

[Brothahorn 10087]

 

Too late

[akhornfan 4]

CDC Estimates

@Brisketexan  CDC has numbers similar to yours as a ‘worst case’. Sticking with it?

Edited March 13, 2020 by akhornfan

[NorthLoop 14215]

We went ahead and scheduled a curbside order for Sunday. I'm curious to see how much of it will be subbed or out. Not gonna participate in the madness of going in there this weekend .

[conVINCEd 21469]

Just now, Brothahorn said:

Too late

Being tall has its advantages every now and then.

[InkaUtexas 25955]

2 minutes ago, Js1 said:

 

Risk mitigation? Are they planning on losing staff? This folks is an indicator of holy fuck. 

[Js1 85372]

1 minute ago, NorthLoop said:

We went ahead and scheduled a curbside order for Sunday. I'm curious to see how much of it will be subbed or out. Not gonna participate in the madness of going in there this weekend .

Luckily everything I ordered on Amazon Fresh was available. It was delivered an hour ago. I bet it’s been stolen by now 

[Js1 85372]

2 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Risk mitigation? Are they planning on losing staff? This folks is an indicator of holy fuck. 

Sounds like it gives them more time to stock before Karen waits for 12 rolls of TP and 40 pounds of chicken breast to get rolled out immediately. 

[Pato del Muerto 52510]

32 minutes ago, Liquor and Poker said:

You didn't miss anything.

I know that...now. 

[bolverk 29683]

4 minutes ago, NorthLoop said:

We went ahead and scheduled a curbside order for Sunday. I'm curious to see how much of it will be subbed or out. Not gonna participate in the madness of going in there this weekend .

Avatar does not check out.

[InkaUtexas 25955]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

Luckily everything I ordered on Amazon Fresh was available. It was delivered an hour ago. I bet it’s been stolen by now 

will send you a ransom note when I am done with this beer. That cool? 

[MillerEP 30491]

At my work, we were all told to work from home starting Monday until told otherwise.

Edited March 13, 2020 by MillerEP

[Brisketexan 105154]

29 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

Those damn fomites.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

what are fomites? 

Purty sure they're like mennonites, but they don't make that great cheese.

18 minutes ago, hopkinsnhorns said:

That's what my body (research physician at Methodist) has told me as well.  Mostly contracted touching fomite then touching your face.

He also said that he suspects that Houston may have had a bout of this pass through as early as December of last year.  He said that he thinks it's possible that it was actually COVID19 that sent my wife to the hospital on NYE.  She never tested positive to any form of flu and we didn't have any knowledge on the new virus at that time.  Her symptoms fit the virus as well, with rapid onset atypical pneumonia (damaged/inflamed lung tissue vs. fluid in the lung).  It made a lot of sense when we were talking about it last night.  Whatever it was, I had it before her and it knocked me on my ass big time.  It also burned through all of our friends and relatives in the area over the next few weeks.  As far as I know, none of them tested positive for any known flu at that time either.

If that's true....it would be interesting as hell.  A co-worker and I each had a hellacious cold.  Hers started in January, mine started late November, I think.  The worst part was a lingering awful cough for both of us -- we each went to the Dr. it was so bad.

5 minutes ago, akhornfan said:

CDC Estimates

@Brisketexan  CDC has numbers similar to yours as a ‘worse case’. Sticking with it?

Can you just post them?  I don't have a NYT subscription.

As for my prediction....let's see what happens with the isolation techniques we're starting to employ, and what we find out as testing ramps up.  I'd like to hope that we've flattened the curve and hopefully the fatality rate.

[Pato del Muerto 52510]

Better than deadites. Or maybe that’s the next evolution.