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Against my better judgment and several beers deep, I have taken you up on this, potentially ending my streak of totally worthless posts. I have done 3 and 7 day averages only on the Worldometer data. 

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Daughter’s home. A little PTSD, we’re picking up Whataburger to help.

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Just try and imagine GreenspointTexas being the person to intubate you as you fight for your life against COVID-19. You’re laying there gasping for air while he chastises you for all the things you li

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Well if high blood pressure, diabetes, and heart disease are aggravating factors, I don't think we're going to be doing much better than Italy. Especially considering nearly 40% of americans over the age of 20 are medically obese, which is one hell of a widespread comorbidity condition

This will wipe out all of my in-laws from South Arkansas.

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13 minutes ago, Goredho said:

None of which invalidates the basic premise of my post -- we need to radically rethink "defense" at the federal level.

 

9 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

Given that pandemics are by definition global problems, we don't just need a functional federal response but the ability to help respond to outbreaks in other countries too.  Waiting until a pandemic becomes our problem is suicide.

This.  If we know that an event can happen that will kill hundreds of thousands (maybe millions?) of Americans, and devastate our economy to the tune of trillions of dollars, that sure looks a whole lot like almost everything we worry about with respect to a war.

So maybe we ought to spend some money and effort on "defense" against the things that are actually going to happen?  We don't need a standing army to repel an enemy landing force.  We do need a pandemic response plan that includes rapid reaction to help shut it down at its source.  The bang for our buck would make the defense budget look like the huge waste of money that it is.

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13 minutes ago, Mikey4 said:

I didn't read the comment that way, but whatever. I've said my piece.  This is becoming a bigger deal than it should be.

Nobody is stopping you from defending Abbott’s inactions and his past public statements about how Texas was one of the best-prepared states in the nation.    We have praised Ohio’s Governor for all of the forward-thinking actions he has taken.  We have consistently trashed the shit out of Adler and other CoA/TC leaders, outside of them shutting down SXSW.  

 

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5 hours ago, Pancho said:

Gays can’t give blood.  It was illegal for the longest.  Then they changed the “rule” to say gays have to be celibate for at least 1 year to give blood, I do believe. 

"Celibate" celibate or just not have made eye contact?

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Also, not thrilled to see the italian death correlation to high blood pressure.  I wonder if that's UNTREATED HBP, or just having it as an underlying condition in general?  I have mild HBP (losing a few pounds would help in that regard -- may be using this situation as the opportunity to do just that with diet and exercise), but not off the charts high.  And as treated, it's perfectly normal.  So, would be interested in seeing the data on that.

Nevermind the concerns about ACE inhibitors and ARBs (Losartan, which I am on).  Of course, there's some data out there that ARBs actually might be an effective anti-viral treatment (they had some effect on West Nile cases)....so, it seems we still don't know a lot, and there remains conflicting info.  Sigh.

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Shit

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronavirus/dallas-county-reports-11-new-covid-19-cases-ages-teen-to-70s-1-critical/2333489/

“Dallas County health officials say 11 more people have tested positive for COVID-19 Wednesday, bringing the total in the county to 39. 

The cases confirmed by the county health department Wednesday include a teenager, a female in her 20s, a man and woman in their 30s, a man in his 40s, three men and two women in their 50s and a man in his 70s.

Three of the patients were hospitalized, including one who was in critical condition. Eight others are self-isolating at home. Seven of the patients are residents of Dallas, the others are residents of Coppell, Irving, Mesquite and Richardson.”

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Breaking Defense: EXCLUSIVE: No COVID-19 Test Kits For Navy Ships At Sea
DoD is slated to receive $8.3 billion to fight COVID-19 in new White House request, as positive virus tests for military personnel jump to 49.

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Not one of the Navy’s 82 ships currently underway has received coronavirus test kits for their crews, even as the number grows of sailors ashore testing positive.

“There are currently no FDA approved testing platforms that are suitable for placement on forward operating Naval Ships,” a Navy official told Breaking Defense via email. “So, the ships in the Pacific do not currently have the ability to conduct diagnostic testing for COVID-19. Depending on location, specimens can be sent for testing at shore based labs.” 

 

 

 

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Not one of the Navy’s 82 ships currently underway has received coronavirus test kits for their crews, even as the number grows of sailors ashore testing positive.

“There are currently no FDA approved testing platforms that are suitable for placement on forward operating Naval Ships,” a Navy official told Breaking Defense via email. “So, the ships in the Pacific do not currently have the ability to conduct diagnostic testing for COVID-19. Depending on location, specimens can be sent for testing at shore based labs.” 

The coronavirus had caused over 100 deaths in the United States — 8,000 worldwide — by Wednesday, but the federal government’s slow response to the global pandemic has led to testing rates much lower than countries like Italy and South Korea, both of which have been hit hard by the virus.  

The Navy official said the fleet has three ships “with preventative medicine teams aboard with portable testing machines. These machines are currently only approved to do surveillance testing for COVID-19.”

That testing can detect signs of different illnesses, but cannot identify COVID-19. Currently, only one aircraft carrier, an amphibious ship, and the USS Blue Ridge command ship have the surveillance test machines.

How is the Navy coping with sailors who’ve had shore leave in countries where the virus has struck? Earlier this month, the Pacific Fleet instituted a rule mandating that ships leaving port observe a 14-day quarantine at sea. The aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt and cruiser USS Bunker Hill are wrapping up self-quarantine after sailors went ashore in Da Nang, Vietnam earlier this month. There have been no reports of cases on either ship.

Several Navy officials told me the service is in the process of obtaining testing kits to get out to the fleet, but could not offer a timeline for when that might happen, or how many kits might be available. 

President Trump announced Wednesday he was invoking the Defense Production Act to meet urgent medical equipment needs. “We have millions of [masks]. We need millions more,” Trump said. “We need respirators. We need ventilators. We have a lot of ventilators, but we need more.”


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The Pentagon is handing over 5 million respirator masks and 2,000 ventilators to the Department of Health and Human Services from the military’s strategic reserve, Defense Secretary Mark Esper said at the Pentagon Tuesday. One million masks will be available “immediately” Esper said at the White House today.

The Air Force also flew 500,000 COVID-19 testing kits from Italy to Memphis, Tennessee, on Monday.

Gen. Dave Goldfein, the Air Force chief of staff, told reporters Wednesday the kits will be distributed around the country.

 
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On Tuesday, the Navy reported three coronavirus cases among sailors, two of whom are assigned to ships home-ported in San Diego and Everett, Washington. One sailor is assigned to the Littoral Combat Ship Coronado at Naval Base San Diego and the other to the guided-missile destroyer Ralph Johnson in Washington. Last week, another San Diego-based sailor assigned to the USS Boxer also tested positive, On Tuesday, the Navy also announced that a sailor who works on the staff of the 2nd Fleet in Norfolk, Va., tested positive. All of the ships are in port and not at sea.

But the lack of testing kits on ships underway represents a huge unknown for the thousands of sailors living in tight quarters at sea, where long work hours and shared living and eating facilities offers no opportunity to practice social distancing, which experts say is a key way to limit exposure to the coronavirus.

The Navy’s two hospital ships, the USNS Comfort and USNS Mercy could be activated to aid in the national response. A Navy official confirmed to Breaking Defense that the medical teams for the two ships are currently being notified of their upcoming deployment.

The idea is for the ships, which each have a 1,000 bed capacity, to take patients who are not suffering from COVID-19 from hospitals, making more room for coronavirus patients. 

On Tuesday evening, theTrump administration requested an additional $45.8 billion from Congress to boost government agencies amid the coronavirus outbreak, including $8.3 billion for the Defense Department. 

The money for the DoD is meant to “facilitate changes in servicemember personnel policy; expedite access to rapid COVID-19 diagnostics; ensure access to medical care, including additional medical countermeasures,” and address impacts the pandemic will likely have on logistics and supply chains, White House acting budget director Russell Vought said in a letter attached to the 118-page request.

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Also, not thrilled to see the italian death correlation to high blood pressure.  I wonder if that's UNTREATED HBP, or just having it as an underlying condition in general?  I have mild HBP (losing a few pounds would help in that regard -- may be using this situation as the opportunity to do just that with diet and exercise), but not off the charts high.  And as treated, it's perfectly normal.  So, would be interested in seeing the data on that.

 

Talking to my folks (old man is retired doc) - if the HBP is being treated and you are under 60 then it's not an issue. 

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Not sure that's the right course of action, Philadelphia.
 

 


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You think people need to be in jail during this for non-violent property crimes? To sit in jail in the midst of a pandemic and wait for the courts to re-open in . . . months?

They're not ignoring the crime, they are citing them for a later date - which is done already in many jurisdictions for many non-violent crimes.

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3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

So maybe we ought to spend some money and effort on "defense" against the things that are actually going to happen?  We don't need a standing army to repel an enemy landing force.  We do need a pandemic response plan that includes rapid reaction to help shut it down at its source.  The bang for our buck would make the defense budget look like the huge waste of money that it is.

Yep, we have since WWII followed a doctrine of maintaining a military capable of fighting a two front war even in peacetime.  I agree there seems to be much less need for that than the need to be able to:

  • Help other countries control their outbreaks before they become a pandemic that threatens us
  • Respond to a pandemic coming to America in a better and more timely fashion

No cloak room.  This is true whoever the fuck owns the Whitehouse, Senate or House of Representatives.

"Behind its success so far has been the most expansive and well-organized testing program in the world, combined with extensive efforts to isolate infected people and trace and quarantine their contacts. South Korea has tested more than 270,000 people, which amounts to more than 5200 tests per million inhabitants—more than any other country except tiny Bahrain, according to the Worldometer website. The United States has so far carried out 74 tests per 1 million inhabitants, data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show."

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03/coronavirus-cases-have-dropped-sharply-south-korea-whats-secret-its-success
 

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1 hour ago, Huckleberry said:

Yet one more reason the entire concept of naming generations is stupid. In this situation an official should be referring to age groups. People 75+ are most at risk. People 65+ are at elevated risk. However, adults under 40 are carrying the disease. Et cetera.

Shit just causes confusion all so people can mentally compartmentalize themselves and "others" into groups to bash.

OK Boomer.

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22 minutes ago, NoName said:

the difference to me is that the Ocean is a large place?

a neighborhood built in the last 10? 20? years should have some kind of decent map for where to dig and not dig...

i know it is the cost of doing business and i know it happens all the time i'm just shocked it does (still)

Even if they are mapped out correctly, construction crews in my experience are careless where they dig.  I had the same company cut a line in 3 different times that was perfectly marked on paper and at the site.  Still cut the damn thing 3 times.

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10 hours ago, Hate said:

This is 100% correct and something I've been espousing since the early days of this pandemic. The Chinese probably knew this was an issue by mid November or so.  Fuck them.  They need to feel the pain the rest of the world will feel from this. We need to re-patriot as much of our manufacturing as we possibly can and what can't be brought back to the US should go to Mexico, Central and South America.  Fuck China!

You can blame China for the environmental conditions that create these viruses but not telling us soon enough really wasn't on them...We had plenty of time to act....

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2 minutes ago, Foosters said:

You think people need to be in jail during this for non-violent property crimes? To sit in jail in the midst of a pandemic and wait for the courts to re-open in . . . months?

They're not ignoring the crime, they are citing them for a later date - which is done already in many jurisdictions for many non-violent crimes.

Theft from persons......

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5 minutes ago, UDontKnow said:

She outed herself as a hack when she claimed, without any evidence, that the WHO kits had a high false-positive rate.

Clearly you don't know jack about Dr. Birx - lady is anything but a hack.

She may have been wrong on this specific thing, but a hack? nope.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/12/coronavirus-dr-deborah-birx-hiv-aids

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1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

Well, even if you're lying to me -- thanks for the comforting lie.

Now tell me I'm handsome.

Well if you have undiagnosed coronary heart disease then you need to worry. That's always a possibility for those of us with HBP. 

So you can worry again. ;)

 

 

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My layperson thinking is that with a bug that attacks and compromises your respiratory system, making your heart work harder to move more blood to get enough oxygen to your cells, starting with high blood pressure is a bad idea. 
I’d be hesitant to go off meds without solid evidence that you are actually lowering risk. Glad it’s not a decision I need to make. 

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4 minutes ago, gecko said:

do you have evidence to the contrary?

That's not the point. WHO kits were rejected by America and they should not have been because it was crucial to the screen and quarantine process. If this was because WHO had been wrong in the past about a totally different disease (HIV/AIDS) which affected her view of the WHO, then Birx dun fucked up. It wasn't like we had our own kits and had a head start on studying the disease.

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