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Against my better judgment and several beers deep, I have taken you up on this, potentially ending my streak of totally worthless posts. I have done 3 and 7 day averages only on the Worldometer data. 

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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/us-coronavirus-test/

I keep hearing people say we rejected tests.
That's false.
 

Well since you didn't click through and read your link, I'll do you a favor and post it here for you:

What's True

The U.S. did not use COVID-19 diagnostic tests produced by the World Health Organization (WHO) in favor of producing its own.

What's False

The U.S. did not turn down an offer to use those tests (as no such offer was extended), nor was it unusual for the United States to design and produce its own diagnostic tests in lieu of those made elsewhere.

So yes, the US did not get any test kits from the WHO, and none were offered. However our leadership did choose to develop our own test from scratch rather than use the WHO test kit and procedure. Hell, even Dr. Fauci agreed that they would have been nice to have. 

So while it is standard procedure for the CDC to always develop their own tests, it was still a decision to not take advantage of the work other groups had already done. 

Nevermind that when we turned down the tests, our governments official position was that "it will all go away, like a miracle", so I'm sure keeping up the act had nothing to do with it. 

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Canada and the U.S. have mutually agreed to “temporarily restrict all nonessential travel across the Canada-U.S. border,” Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced Wednesday.

President Donald Trump made a similar announcement on Twitter Wednesday morning.

The move will mostly close the largest non-militarized land border in the world, another restriction as coronavirus spreads around the globe and cases multiply in both the U.S. and Canada.

People will not be allowed to cross in either direction for recreational reasons, Trudeau said. But “essential” travel — that delivers food, fuel and medicines into both nations — will continue, he said.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/18/canada-us-plan-to-close-border-to-non-essential-travel-135373

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For those that cannot read the article behind this tweet.da47272ad0336772a36ff67c4ae1f2f0.jpg
Chinese laboratories identified a mystery virus as a highly infectious new pathogen by late December last year, but they were ordered to stop tests, destroy samples and suppress the news, a Chinese media outlet has revealed.

A regional health official in Wuhan, centre of the outbreak, demanded the destruction of the lab samples that established the cause of unexplained viral pneumonia on January 1. China did not acknowledge there was human-to-human transmission until more than three weeks later.

The detailed revelations by Caixin Global, a respected independent publication, provide the clearest evidence yet of the scale of the cover-up in the crucial early weeks when the opportunity was lost to control the outbreak.
Censors have been rapidly deleting the report from the Chinese internet.

Caixin reported that several genomics companies sequenced the coronavirus by December 27 from samples from patients who had fallen sick in Wuhan.

There was a striking similarity between the new virus and the Sars (severe acute respiratory syndrome) coronavirus that killed nearly 800 people in 2002-3. But the news was shared with only a small group of medics and party officials.

The laboratory findings were relayed to officials in Beijing at the Centre for Disease Control (CDC). The information should have alerted national health chiefs to a looming crisis, but on January 3, the National Health Commission, China’s top medical authority, issued its own gagging orders. Laboratories were told not to release any information and to hand over or destroy the samples.

When a CDC team was sent to Wuhan on January 8, it was deliberately not informed that medical staff had already been infected by patients — a clear confirmation that the disease was contagious.

The cover-up was led by officials in Wuhan as provincial party chiefs prepared to gather for an annual meeting. The city then pressed ahead with a pot-luck dinner for 40,000 families to celebrate the lunar new year.
Only on January 20 was it made public, in an interview with Zhong Nanshan, a respiratory health expert who led the fight against Sars, that the disease was spreading between humans.

Wuhan,with a population of 11 million, was put into lockdown on January 23 as the communist authorities finally tried to control the spread of the disease.
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Jesus dude. Are you going to be a fucking moron in this entire thread or what

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8125107/Venices-canals-cleanest-theyve-living-memory.html

https://nypost.com/2020/03/18/venice-canals-are-crystal-clear-after-coronavirus-lockdown-in-italy/

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/venice-canals-clear-water-scli-intl/index.html

It is Cagliari. Venice doesn't have dolphins....which many of the photos are now showing dolphins....

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I don't keep up with this thread very well, so sorry if posted:

 

https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/fksnbf/im_bill_gates_cochair_of_the_bill_melinda_gates/

 

Bill Gates doing an AMA on this.  When reading an AMA, I like to do a ctrl-f and just look for  the things he replied to. 

A bit more comforting than I thought it would be.

 

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Well since you didn't click through and read your link, I'll do you a favor and post it here for you:

What's True

The U.S. did not use COVID-19 diagnostic tests produced by the World Health Organization (WHO) in favor of producing its own.

What's False

The U.S. did not turn down an offer to use those tests (as no such offer was extended), nor was it unusual for the United States to design and produce its own diagnostic tests in lieu of those made elsewhere.

So yes, the US did not get any test kits from the WHO, and none were offered. However our leadership did choose to develop our own test from scratch rather than use the WHO test kit and procedure. Hell, even Dr. Fauci agreed that they would have been nice to have. 

So while it is standard procedure for the CDC to always develop their own tests, it was still a decision to not take advantage of the work other groups had already done. 

Nevermind that when we turned down the tests, our governments official position was that "it will all go away, like a miracle", so I'm sure keeping up the act had nothing to do with it. 

The interesting thing is that the CDC has plenty of testing technologies. 20 years ago I worked with the CDC and an Emory professor to develop a test for mycobacterium TB and other infectious diseases. I am pretty confident that the technology could visually detect COVID-19 so that it could be used in physician's offices. Unfortunately, I don't even know if the Emory professor is still alive - But, the CDC would have the ability to use it and hundreds of other technologies. One of the difficulties here is validating it (positive predictive value) for the specific disease. You can't just introduce a new test without going through the FDA if it is to be used clinically. By the fall though, I am confident that there will be an antibody based test that can be used by most healthcare workers.

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WilCo County Judge just issued new orders in effect until May 11:

  1. No gatherings of 10 or more in WilCo

  2. WilCo dining rooms closed, but allow take away or no contact

  3. WilCo bars closed - indoor and outdoor

Do you have a link for this? 

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Concerned about how fellow addicts and alcoholics are going to cope with extended time alone at home. No 12 step meetings to attend plus idle time is a bad cocktail (pun intended) for relapse. I bet dealers are having a field day right now if they can get their hands on product.

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St David's doctor is positive for COVID-19.

AUSTIN (KXAN) — St. David’s HealthCare confirmed Wednesday one of its physicians had tested positive for COVID-19, after a KXAN investigator began asking questions of local hospitals about whether any staff have tested positive.

The hospital said it immediately notified public health authorities and it is working to trace any potential exposure to patients and other healthcare workers. It said the exposure did not happen because of a breach of hospital protocols and it will “continue to follow our best practices for preventing the spread of the coronavirus.”

KXAN initially questioned St. David’s on Tuesday, after receiving a viewer tip about one of its physicians testing positive for the virus.

Austin Public Health reported there are currently 23 positive cases in Travis County as of Wednesday morning. It is not known if this doctor is among them.

“The majority of the interaction between the physician and patients/staff occurred in areas where most healthcare workers were wearing personal protective equipment (PPE), which reduces the risk of exposure to a very low level,” St. David’s HealthCare wrote. “We will contact patients and providers who may require further observation and/or testing based on our risk assessment.”

KXAN also asked St. David’s about its quarantine protocols for staff and physicians, and if it has cancelled elective surgeries. Those questions were not answered in the hospital’s statement.

A spokesperson said the hospital would not be releasing further information at this time.

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St David's doctor is positive for COVID-19.

AUSTIN (KXAN) — St. David’s HealthCare confirmed Wednesday one of its physicians had tested positive for COVID-19, after a KXAN investigator began asking questions of local hospitals about whether any staff have tested positive.

The hospital said it immediately notified public health authorities and it is working to trace any potential exposure to patients and other healthcare workers. It said the exposure did not happen because of a breach of hospital protocols and it will “continue to follow our best practices for preventing the spread of the coronavirus.”

KXAN initially questioned St. David’s on Tuesday, after receiving a viewer tip about one of its physicians testing positive for the virus.

Austin Public Health reported there are currently 23 positive cases in Travis County as of Wednesday morning. It is not known if this doctor is among them.

“The majority of the interaction between the physician and patients/staff occurred in areas where most healthcare workers were wearing personal protective equipment (PPE), which reduces the risk of exposure to a very low level,” St. David’s HealthCare wrote. “We will contact patients and providers who may require further observation and/or testing based on our risk assessment.”

KXAN also asked St. David’s about its quarantine protocols for staff and physicians, and if it has cancelled elective surgeries. Those questions were not answered in the hospital’s statement.

A spokesperson said the hospital would not be releasing further information at this time.

Which location?

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A UF College of Dentistry student who treated patients was among those diagnosed with COVID-19.

A University of Florida College of Dentistry student who treated patients is among the confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Gainesville.

The student, who traveled to Portugal over spring break, continued to work in the school’s clinic, despite not feeling well, he told his classmates in an email shared with The Sun.

The infected student said he was tested on March 9 and received the results indicating a positive diagnosis March 12. The college suspended clinical activities for students later that day.

The student also said university and College of Dentistry officials asked him not to communicate about his diagnosis because it complicated how UF must respond.

“I was asked to hold off on a global communication by the college and UF, because it complicates how the university must response as they are still trying to get a handle on this moving target,” he wrote.

UF Health spokesman Ken Garcia said in an email Monday evening that dental students operate in the Doctor of Medicine in Dentistry (DMD) centers, where they provide care under the close supervision of faculty members.

Another dental student who corresponded anonymously with the Sun said the person who tested positive had performed a root canal procedure the day he was tested. Students spend about six total hours seeing patients during one day’s shift.

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The anonymous student described the space as a large room filled with approximately 30 students, 20 faculty and five patients at a time, many of whom are elderly or low-income.

The student also said the college did not provide any information to students about a pending test and would not tell them if it was safe for them to return home to their own families.

In an email sent to the Sun Tuesday afternoon Garcia, of UF Health, said the safety of patients, students, caregivers and the community has remained a priority.

He also said if the virus progressed within the university, UF Health would address that promptly and appropriately, with guidance and direction from epidemiology experts, along with state and local authorities.

Administration from the College of Dentistry declined to comment. However, the newspaper obtained screenshots of emails sent to dentistry students by the administration in which it expressed heightened concern for the spread of the virus to elderly and immunocompromised populations.

Students who are ill or worried about becoming ill should not perform patient care or travel to businesses in town at all, one administrator wrote in an email sent on Friday, at about 7 p.m.

In another email, an administrator wrote that sharing details about a specific individual or circumstance would be inappropriate and would not adhere to HIPAA and FERPA laws. College administrators said all decisions were made with the guidance and approval of experts.

The coronavirus-positive student told classmates in his email, which the college allowed him to send after Gov. Ron DeSantis made an announcement that UF has four confirmed cases Tuesday morning, that he experienced minor cold symptoms including a sore throat, headaches and chills upon returning from overseas and immediately contacted the health department.

The department did not allow him to be tested at that time, he said, because he did not exhibit severe symptoms. He wrote that he had to badger his doctor to be tested and that his father, who is a doctor, had to repeatedly press the testing center to get the test processed.

″...(P)lease know that the main threat our nation is facing right now is access to diagnostic tests,” the student wrote.

Paul Myers, Florida Department of Health in Alachua County administrator, said he cannot share details related to the department’s investigations.

The infected student said he encourages other students to get tested if they show any symptoms similar to even a minor cold or an allergy flare-up.

Garcia, of UF Health, said in Monday’s email that the UF College of Dentistry decided to reschedule all elective dental procedures at all of its care centers, beginning Monday. Only patients with urgent or emergency needs will receive care through March 30.

Dental care occurs in very close contact between patients and providers, Garcia said, and a great number of dental procedures create aerosol spray that could potentially spread the coronavirus between those directly involved in the procedure.

On a College of Dentistry webpage that contains information related to the COVID-19, the college said it decided to postpone non-emergency care based on the risks associated with regular operations, consultations with UF Health experts and recommendations from the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention. It did not mention the potential that students or faculty may have been exposed to the virus.

 

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^^^ Thanks.  Yeah, sometimes it doesn't load right.  I just going ahead and post it and then repost it in edit.  Tweets and images almost always reload correctly that way.  

 

Turns out we really are cooler than our ancestors:

 

https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/if-youre-taking-your-temperature-because-of-the-coronavirus-98-6-isnt-the-normal-body-temperature-anymore/

CHICAGO — For centuries, 98.6 degrees Fahrenheit was said to be the average, normal body temperature. It’s not.

More recently, researchers have known normal body temperature is actually lower than 98.6 and can vary by gender, size, age, time of day and other factors. But now there’s also evidence that shows we’ve been cooling off since the 19th century when 98.6 was established as “normal.”

As the coronavirus, dubbed COVID-19, continues to spread, temperature checks are necessary for those feeling ill, public health officials say. Fever, along with coughing and shortness of breath, make up the symptoms of the virus, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Research published in January in eLife shows body temperature has not only dropped since German physician Carl Reinhold August Wunderlich’s study in 1851 established the average body temperature as 98.6 degrees, but it has also dropped since the 1970s. The findings indicate that Americans’ average, normal body temperature has dropped about 0.05 degrees Fahrenheit per decade, based on their birth year, to 97.8. (snip)

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Why would someone highly educated as to be close to graduating from dental school and trusted to perform root canals think it's ok to continue working when they feel ill AFTER a spring break visit to a foreign country?! That's fucking ridiculous. 

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Why would someone highly educated as to be close to graduating from dental school and trusted to perform root canals think it's ok to continue working when they feel ill AFTER a spring break visit to a foreign country?! That's fucking ridiculous. 

Florida?

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3 minutes ago, dad said:

Why would someone highly educated as to be close to graduating from dental school and trusted to perform root canals think it's ok to continue working when they feel ill AFTER a spring break visit to a foreign country?! That's fucking ridiculous. 

You forgot to add during a global pandemic.

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You forgot to add during a global pandemic.

Oops yes, the most critical piece of information about it. Otherwise yeah I assume most dentists still go to work when they feel a cold coming on because $$$$$$.

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Why would someone highly educated as to be close to graduating from dental school and trusted to perform root canals think it's ok to continue working when they feel ill AFTER a spring break visit to a foreign country?! That's fucking ridiculous. 

 

https://middleburycampus.com/49014/news/vandalism-spikes-as-students-prepare-to-leave-campus/

Vandalism spikes as students prepare to leave campus

Faced with the sudden reality that their semesters would likely be ending, many Middlebury students spent their nights before the mandatory Covid-19-related evacuation partying, drinking and vandalizing the campus and town in abundance. Damage has included broken glass, stolen signs, strewn garbage, smashed furniture and windows, and items thrown into trees. Facilities staff are spending the weekend cleaning up messes across campus. 

Normally, two employees must walk the campus twice a week for two hours to clear the campus of trash and hazards outside, explained College Landscape Horticulturist and Staff Council President Tim Parsons. On Thursday and Friday, it took teams of five entire days.

“There are seniors seeing people maybe for the last time ever, I get it,” Parsons said. “But why take it out on other people here? You’re part of a community.” 

On Friday morning, as a group of five landscapers prepared to secure buildings that will be closed to students in the coming weeks, they reflected on spending the last two days walking around the campus picking up broken glass and demolished items. 

One worker said he has seen items like fans and microwaves thrown out of windows, and that at least 10 to 15 soap dispensers have been ripped off the walls in residential halls and smashed.

Others expressed concern for dogs and students walking across the campus who might be injured by the shards of glass strewn in the grass and on sidewalks. 

Some landscapers had to wrestle bikes, bike racks and other large items down from trees. Government traffic signs, weighing several hundred pounds and buried three feet into the ground, were torn out of the earth and discarded, or are missing entirely. 

The sign that designates President Laurie Patton’s parking space was ripped from the ground — it is still missing.

According to Custodial Supervisor Dan Celik, other residential hall damages have included smashed windows in Forrest Hall and Battell Hall, a shattered glass door in the Tavern Social House, smashed scaffolding outside Atwater Hall B, broken lights and windows in Chateau, ripped-down hall lights in the Ross complex, a hole smashed into the wall at 48 South Street (KDR House), discharged fire extinguishers in Allen Hall and other ripped signs and bulletin boards around campus.(snip)

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A UF College of Dentistry student who treated patients was among those diagnosed with COVID-19.
A University of Florida College of Dentistry student who treated patients is among the confirmed cases of COVID-19 in Gainesville.
The student, who traveled to Portugal over spring break, continued to work in the school’s clinic, despite not feeling well, he told his classmates in an email shared with The Sun.
The infected student said he was tested on March 9 and received the results indicating a positive diagnosis March 12. The college suspended clinical activities for students later that day.
The student also said university and College of Dentistry officials asked him not to communicate about his diagnosis because it complicated how UF must respond.
“I was asked to hold off on a global communication by the college and UF, because it complicates how the university must response as they are still trying to get a handle on this moving target,” he wrote.
UF Health spokesman Ken Garcia said in an email Monday evening that dental students operate in the Doctor of Medicine in Dentistry (DMD) centers, where they provide care under the close supervision of faculty members.
Another dental student who corresponded anonymously with the Sun said the person who tested positive had performed a root canal procedure the day he was tested. Students spend about six total hours seeing patients during one day’s shift.
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This content is being provided for free as a public service to our readers during the coronavirus outbreak. Please support local journalism by subscribing to gainesville.com at gainesville.com/subscribe.
The anonymous student described the space as a large room filled with approximately 30 students, 20 faculty and five patients at a time, many of whom are elderly or low-income.
The student also said the college did not provide any information to students about a pending test and would not tell them if it was safe for them to return home to their own families.
In an email sent to the Sun Tuesday afternoon Garcia, of UF Health, said the safety of patients, students, caregivers and the community has remained a priority.
He also said if the virus progressed within the university, UF Health would address that promptly and appropriately, with guidance and direction from epidemiology experts, along with state and local authorities.
Administration from the College of Dentistry declined to comment. However, the newspaper obtained screenshots of emails sent to dentistry students by the administration in which it expressed heightened concern for the spread of the virus to elderly and immunocompromised populations.
Students who are ill or worried about becoming ill should not perform patient care or travel to businesses in town at all, one administrator wrote in an email sent on Friday, at about 7 p.m.
In another email, an administrator wrote that sharing details about a specific individual or circumstance would be inappropriate and would not adhere to HIPAA and FERPA laws. College administrators said all decisions were made with the guidance and approval of experts.
The coronavirus-positive student told classmates in his email, which the college allowed him to send after Gov. Ron DeSantis made an announcement that UF has four confirmed cases Tuesday morning, that he experienced minor cold symptoms including a sore throat, headaches and chills upon returning from overseas and immediately contacted the health department.
The department did not allow him to be tested at that time, he said, because he did not exhibit severe symptoms. He wrote that he had to badger his doctor to be tested and that his father, who is a doctor, had to repeatedly press the testing center to get the test processed.
″...(P)lease know that the main threat our nation is facing right now is access to diagnostic tests,” the student wrote.
Paul Myers, Florida Department of Health in Alachua County administrator, said he cannot share details related to the department’s investigations.
The infected student said he encourages other students to get tested if they show any symptoms similar to even a minor cold or an allergy flare-up.
Garcia, of UF Health, said in Monday’s email that the UF College of Dentistry decided to reschedule all elective dental procedures at all of its care centers, beginning Monday. Only patients with urgent or emergency needs will receive care through March 30.
Dental care occurs in very close contact between patients and providers, Garcia said, and a great number of dental procedures create aerosol spray that could potentially spread the coronavirus between those directly involved in the procedure.
On a College of Dentistry webpage that contains information related to the COVID-19, the college said it decided to postpone non-emergency care based on the risks associated with regular operations, consultations with UF Health experts and recommendations from the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention. It did not mention the potential that students or faculty may have been exposed to the virus.
 
I used to work on the west side of Shands (dentistry). This thing could be all over the hospital and that is a scary thought.
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