Formerly DT: COVID-19 - Featuring Lots of Politics, now CR because political talk not going away

[Shaggybevo 353]

27 minutes ago, XYZ said:

200 tests in Dallas in one day...What a joke. We should be doing 20,000 a day in each city.

Where did you find this number? 

According to the State of Texas website there were almost 3000 new cases in the last 24 hours.  I assume this is the number of tests completed.

[XYZ 2,154]

6 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Cross posting from markets thread:

My FA who tried desperately for me not to pull out of the market for the corona.  Damn shame. 

Financial advisors...god bless them. They are going to commit mass suicide.

[closetojumping 62,883]

 

1 minute ago, C-Man said:

Don't try to confuse us with your sorceror's ways, Pato del Muerte.

Sounds like we are still extremely limited on the number of tests we can administer when they're turning people away if they're younger than 65 unless they've had direct contact with somebody else who has tested positive already. (Or maybe I'm out of date on that.) Just seems like that is a recipe for disaster.

200 in a day for something the size of Dallas (only? or all of DFW?), but not crazy low. People have to be actively seeking the test, or doctors have to be diagnosing for the necessity of a test, and that's going to be an inherently lower number than we'd imagine before pausing to think about it. They can't pull you out of your home and test you. So the proactive audience is whatever the doctor visit/hospital visit count is in an area as the ceiling per day, and it's naturally probably only capable of being 5-10%-ish of that since most visits aren't due to corona symptoms.

I just googled for a minute and in 2012 (most recent info I could find), all of North Texas ERs in total averaged 3850-ish visits per day. Not sure how many more normal doctor and hospital visits each day there are than that, but it wouldn't be shocking if total visits averaged less than 12,000 visits per day across the region. You'd be lucky to max out at 1200 tests a day if that's the case. Weekdays only, too. Weekends, it's got to be far lower as an addressable audience. I don't know. Maybe there's a DFW doctor or admin with actual numbers that could help.

[ztejas 43,546]

1 minute ago, closetojumping said:

 

200 in a day for something the size of Dallas (only? or all of DFW?), but not crazy low. People have to be actively seeking the test, or doctors have to be diagnosing for the necessity of a test, and that's going to be an inherently lower number than we'd imagine before pausing to think about it. They can't pull you out of your home and test you. So the proactive audience is whatever the doctor visit/hospital visit count is in an area as the ceiling per day, and it's naturally probably only capable of being 5-10%-ish of that since most visits aren't due to corona symptoms.

I just googled for a minute and in 2012 (most recent info I could find), all of North Texas ERs in total averaged 3850-ish visits per day. Not sure how many more normal doctor and hospital visits each day there are than that, but it wouldn't be shocking if total visits averaged less than 12,000 visits per day across the region. You'd be lucky to max out at 1200 tests a day if that's the case. Weekdays only, too. Weekends, it's got to be far lower as an addressable audience. I don't know. Maybe there's a DFW doctor or admin with actual numbers that could help.

Please quit acting like you know what you're talking about. It would make this thread much more bearable. 

[Hagbard Celine 10,935]

the per capita testing numbers in other countries just don't jive with the clusterfuck here.  no opinion why, but we are at the end of 3 weeks of "are we there yet" on testing.

[NoName 16,408]

2 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

the per capita testing numbers in other countries just don't jive with the clusterfuck here.  no opinion why, but we are at the end of 3 weeks of "are we there yet" on testing.

how many of those other countries are our size geographically - so decentralized - or are our size by population?

yes, we should be doing much much much better but let's not try to compare it to South Korea (US is at 94 people per square mile - South Korea is at 1302 per square mile, US has 6.4x population and 99x landmass)

again - we should be doing better and testing more. not saying that. just tired of all of the comparisons that aren't really comparisons or aren't even close to apples to apples. 

Edited March 20, 2020 by NoName

[Shaggybevo 353]

1 minute ago, Hagbard Celine said:

the per capita testing numbers in other countries just don't jive with the clusterfuck here.  no opinion why, but we are at the end of 3 weeks of "are we there yet" on testing.

Agreed, New York City is testing 5000 people a day.  They figured it out, not sure why others can't.

[Pasken 1,309]

Wow, Haliburton is laying off 3,500 in Houston.

[XYZ 2,154]

Just to clarify, when I say we should be doing 20,000 tests a day in each city, I don’t mean that today we should be doing that. I mean that we should have built the infrastructure years ago that would have allowed us to ramp up testing like that. We got caught with our pants down big time. Masks come from...China. Even the materials needed to make a mask come from...China. Pretty much every chemical used in a lab comes from...China.

[Beau Vine 54,466]

1 hour ago, ztejas said:

Cuban has been a badass throughout this entire thing. Makes me proud to be a Dallasite even as a lifelong Spurs fan. 

For all the hate he gets for being kind of douchey, Cuban has a big heart and is consistently very generous with his money. 

Edited March 20, 2020 by Beau Vine

[tx 3 putt 77,535]

2 minutes ago, Pasken said:

Wow, Haliburton is laying off 3,500 in Houston.

60 day furloughs 

[Beau Vine 54,466]

7 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

the per capita testing numbers in other countries just don't jive with the clusterfuck here.  no opinion why, but we are at the end of 3 weeks of "are we there yet" on testing.

Jibe .  *JIBE!*

[Telegraph_it 3,359]

1 minute ago, tx 3 putt said:

60 day furloughs 

It will probably turn into a layoff. 

[The University 851]

15 minutes ago, Wally Fairway said:

Just heard from a relative, who's in-laws drive semi for the largest grocery chain in Michigan.
All the drivers were given letters on company letterhead which identified them as essential personnel classified as exempt from containment zones and shelter in place orders.

 

[Onboard 2.0 9,083]

52 minutes ago, Shaggybevo said:

I've made a list of my neighbors, and ranking them in preparation of going full Donner Party.

Anybody else doing this?

Or done it, and followed thru on it, frankly I think that might make for a good story...

Edited March 20, 2020 by Onboard 2.0

[Auto Driller 2,506]

4 minutes ago, Pasken said:

Wow, Haliburton is laying off 3,500 in Houston.

Is this the same 3500 that were put on furlough last week? Or does HAL just like to do layoffs in groups of 3500.

[Pasken 1,309]

1 minute ago, Auto Driller said:

Is this the same 3500 that were put on furlough last week? Or does HAL just like to do layoffs in groups of 3500.

Oh probably. The WARN notice came in today with layoffs designated for Monday.

Edited March 20, 2020 by Pasken

[dcar00 14,378]

1 minute ago, Auto Driller said:

Is this the same 3500 that were put on furlough last week? Or does HAL just like to do layoffs in groups of 3500.

a fulough means you keep your medical, right?

[Loco 3,754]

Broward & Palm beach being forced to lock it down.  To their credit Dade already had.  Seminoles closing casinos too.

The executive order directs “all movie theaters, concert houses, auditoriums, playhouses, bowling alleys, arcades, gymnasiums, fitness studios and beaches to close in Broward County and Palm Beach County.” The order lasts until March 31.

[C-Man 27,285]

5 minutes ago, NoName said:

how many of those other countries are our size geographically - so decentralized - or are our size by population?

yes, we should be doing much much much better but let's not try to compare it to South Korea (US is at 94 people per square mile - South Korea is at 1302 per square mile, US has 6.4x population and 99x landmass)

again - we should be doing better and testing more. not saying that. just tired of all of the comparisons that aren't really comparisons or aren't even close to apples to apples. 

It's a lot higher than 94 Americans/square mile when you consider 80% of US population lives in metro areas. Draw a line up from SA/Austin through Dallas, Oklahoma City, Kansas City to Minneapolis, there's not much between that line and the west coast as far as population density (Denver, SLC, Phoenix, Las Vegas being exceptions). Testing capabilities should've been flooded to these high population centers. Maybe they were but I think we should be testing more than 200/day in Dallas.

[Auto Driller 2,506]

4 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

a fulough means you keep your medical, right?

Yes, my understanding is that the 3500 would only work every other week (and have their salaries reduced by 50%) but maintain full benefits.

[Jiggy-Z 3,437]

What the hell is going on with Iran?

The info has been going into flattening mode for days now.  Are they coming out of this or do they JDGAF with reporting?

[SquishMitten 10,444]

No. It would have to mutate to also be able to infect mosquitoes. Same reason you can’t get HIV from mosquitoes.

That’s just what Big Mosquito wants you to think

[Beau Vine 54,466]

1 minute ago, Jiggy-Z said:

What the hell is going on with Iran?

The info has been going into flattening mode for days now.  Are they coming out of this or do they JDGAF with reporting?

Gee, what do you think, knowing what you know about Iran?

[Dahobbs 17,692]

5 minutes ago, C-Man said:

It's a lot higher than 94 Americans/square mile when you consider 80% of US population lives in metro areas. Draw a line up from SA/Austin through Dallas, Oklahoma City, Kansas City to Minneapolis, there's not much between that line and the west coast as far as population density (Denver, SLC, Phoenix, Las Vegas being exceptions). Testing capabilities should've been flooded to these high population centers. Maybe they were but I think we should be testing more than 200/day in Dallas.

To add, even if our population density is still lower after accounting for the fact that most people live in urban areas, it isn't clear to me why testing capability should be materially impacted by population density. Does higher density somehow increase the overall throughput of a healthcare system? Or increase the ability of a nation to manufacture tests? What is it about lower population density that presents any significant barrier to getting testing done here? I really don't see this as a valid excuse. 

Edited March 20, 2020 by Dahobbs

[Don Johnson 4,757]

It doesn’t help when you have tons of people thinking they have it/need to be tested when they don’t. 

https://covidtracking.com/data/

[dcar00 14,378]

2 minutes ago, Jiggy-Z said:

What the hell is going on with Iran?

The info has been going into flattening mode for days now.  Are they coming out of this or do they JDGAF with reporting?

latter.  unlike China, their population could actual overthrown their "govt".  they have to keep the populace from freaking out.

[TexasHooch 5,145]

I think Minnesota will be "shelter in place" by tomorrow morning. Just made the grocery store run and pickings were slim. Luckily I didn't need much. My sister in law got tested 3 days ago- no results yet.

[Thetexashammer 1,062]

3 minutes ago, Jiggy-Z said:

What the hell is going on with Iran?

The info has been going into flattening mode for days now.  Are they coming out of this or do they JDGAF with reporting?

I believe they just changed their reporting to "a shitload".

[Trey3216 15,373]

1 hour ago, RDCanecutter said:

What if you fuck the infected mosquito?

Then you have a needle dick 

[Lobwedgephil 1,139]

Interesting number from Houston's drive through testing yesterday, estimated total tests was in the hundreds, this is the ages of those getting tested. Results aren't back yet on how many have it. 

4% under 8 years old 

5% 10-18 years old

18% 19-27 years old

45% 28-45 years old

 

 

[Thetexashammer 1,062]

1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

latter.  unlike China, their population could actual overthrown their "govt".  they have to keep the populace from freaking out.

We should start a betting pool on the first government to get overthrown. 

[dcar00 14,378]

zero eggs in a grocery store I went into this morning.  I'd love to see a list of the top 10 high runners.

[ClubWhatever 12,158]

1 hour ago, Shaggybevo said:

I've made a list of my neighbors’ wives, and ranking them in preparation of going full on MILF consoling .

Anybody else doing this?

 

[atomheartbevo 89,824]

4 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

Fauci is a fucking national hero. 

4 hours ago, Bevo said:

As is South Austin's mom.

Hard to say which has seen more infectious diseases in their lifetime.   

[Trey3216 15,373]

1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I’m making a list of my neighbors in order of likely marbling.  

I hear in Arizona they already come dry aged. 

[TKthunder2 4,997]

6 minutes ago, Lobwedgephil said:

Interesting number from Houston's drive through testing yesterday, estimated total tests was in the hundreds, this is the ages of those getting tested. Results aren't back yet on how many have it. 

4% under 8 years old 

5% 10-18 years old

18% 19-27 years old

45% 28-45 years old

 

 

How many 9 year olds?

[Macanudo 13,017]

Oldham County (10-15  miles west of Amarillo and a population of 2,100 ) and Castro County (25-30 miles south of Amarillo and a population of 7,800) are in the list.   So it's getting to the small towns now. 

Castro is scary because there is a significant stockyard in Hereford that is just a few miles north of the county line.  Hereford calls itself the Beef Capitol of the World.   If the wind is blowing from the south people in Amarillo complain that they can smell Hereford andyou can.  So there's a good chance that a lot more people, and not just in Hereford, have it in West Texas.

[Liquor and Poker 3,659]

5 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

It doesn’t help when you have tons of people thinking they have it/need to be tested when they don’t. 

https://covidtracking.com/data/

This data is interesting.  NY is 20% positive.  Tennessee is about a third.  Ohio is more than half.  Alabama, Delaware Maryland and Jersey well over 50%.  Most everywhere else is in the well below 10% range.

I guess different approaches to who gets a test?

[Bevo 13,601]

Just now, Macanudo said:

Oldham County (10-15  miles west of Amarillo and a population of 2,100 ) and Castro County (25-30 miles south of Amarillo and a population of 7,800) are in the list.   So it's getting to the small towns now. 

Castro is scary because there is a significant stockyard in Hereford that is just a few miles north of the county line.  Hereford calls itself the Beef Capitol of the World.   If the wind is blowing from the south people in Amarillo complain that they can smell Hereford andyou can.  So there's a good chance that a lot more people, and not just in Hereford, have it in West Texas.

Better not be in Shallowater. Their pride runs deep.

[Hank_Hill 18,896]

3 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Let’s keep the mountain house on the down low shall we?

Backpackers pantry is infinitely better

[Guest Lobo]

5 minutes ago, TKthunder2 said:

How many 9 year olds?

Won't somebody think of the children!  Specifically the ones not listed as under 8 & 10-18!  

[Iceman 2,726]

8 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

Oldham County (10-15  miles west of Amarillo and a population of 2,100 ) and Castro County (25-30 miles south of Amarillo and a population of 7,800) are in the list.   So it's getting to the small towns now. 

Castro is scary because there is a significant stockyard in Hereford that is just a few miles north of the county line.  Hereford calls itself the Beef Capitol of the World.   If the wind is blowing from the south people in Amarillo complain that they can smell Hereford andyou can.  So there's a good chance that a lot more people, and not just in Hereford, have it in West Texas.

so the virus is simply airborne like pollen now? 48 miles apart...

and the feedlot ties in how, again?

Gotdammit with the hyperbole...

Edited March 20, 2020 by Iceman

[Trey3216 15,373]

31 minutes ago, XYZ said:

Just to clarify, when I say we should be doing 20,000 tests a day in each city, I don’t mean that today we should be doing that. I mean that we should have built the infrastructure years ago that would have allowed us to ramp up testing like that. We got caught with our pants down big time. Masks come from...China. Even the materials needed to make a mask come from...China. Pretty much every chemical used in a lab comes from...China.

How and why do/would you build infrastructure for testing a virus you don’t know exists? 

[Ted Dantzler 154]

44 minutes ago, Wally Fairway said:

Just heard from a relative, who's in-laws drive semi for the largest grocery chain in Michigan.
All the drivers were given letters on company letterhead which identified them as essential personnel classified as exempt from containment zones and shelter in place orders.

 

 

I work in the transportation industry and most of our customers are food/beverage/ag. We started seeing the same thing this afternoon. 

[GreenspointTexas 9,683]

Just passed 5000 new cases today and 30 new deaths
 

and yet the govt does nothing

[Trey3216 15,373]

In other good news, glad I’ve been working mostly from home for over a week, and fully since Tuesday.   Got an email this afternoon that someone in our building (6 floor bank building) tested positive for it.  He’s one floor above me.  

[HRSchenker 2,274]

2 hours ago, HRSchenker said:

Ethical dilemma. These reports of hydroxychloroquine being effective look promising but right now it's completely on back order. I'm getting a ton of orders from physicians for it as prophylaxis for them and staff. I have lupus patients who need this drug and I have no idea how long this shortage is going to last. I'm going to save 90 days worth for my patients and the rest I really don't want to dispense unless it's a confirmed positive test. Any problem with my logic? Feel free to shoot holes through this plan. I want the local area to be prepared but I can't leave my lupus patients out high and dry.

Texas board of pharmacy just passed an emergency rule a few minutes ago stating that pharmacists are not allowed to dispense hydroxychloroquine inconsistent with the evidence of its use so that effectively makes these orders illegal. If the prescription is given a valid diagnosis code it cannot be for more than 14 days worth or have refills. So there we go.

[Somnio 751]

It's a little disconcerting that all the stores are still having so many empty shelves.  I kind of figured the masses would all stockpile, and after a few days things would start to normalize.  That is not the case at the stores I've been going to. 

Even with the stores limiting purchases the shelves seem barren of many products.  What's the deal?  Are there people just going crazy and making multiple trips daily and saying fuck everyone else? 

It's getting ridiculous, and is frustrating when you can't buy what you need.  Especially when I imagine some jackass with five years worth of dish soap sitting under his sink, and I can't find one fucking bottle.

[ztejas 43,546]

1 minute ago, Somnio said:

It's a little disconcerting that all the stores are still having so many empty shelves.  I kind of figured the masses would all stockpile, and after a few days things would start to normalize.  That is not the case at the stores I've been going to. 

Even with the stores limiting purchases the shelves seem barren of many products.  What's the deal?  Are there people just going crazy and making multiple trips daily and saying fuck everyone else? 

It's getting ridiculous, and is frustrating when you can't buy what you need.  Especially when I imagine some jackass with five years worth of dish soap sitting under his sink, and I can't find one fucking bottle.

People are dumb fucking assholes.