Formerly DT: COVID-19 - Featuring Lots of Politics, now CR because political talk not going away

[ChiTownDoc 21284]

22 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

seen the opposite last 24 hours, basically they are aerospace-level technology, triple-clean-room precision yadda yadda no miracles here.

I mean I agree - but we have a LOT of aerospace people that sure as hell don’t need to produce fighter jets etc.  No way in hell they can’t get it done.  

[Liquor and Poker 3659]

9 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Fuck me. 
 

Will trade for whataburger. 

Just FYI/CSB - our contractor in Dallas used that Walmart Ultra Strong - he told us he had a plumber come in to clear his clogged drain and the guy said it was compacted all the way to the street with that paper like concrete.  Took some fancy auger to clear the line.  "Worse than if I'd used trash bags."

He recommended we use something else.  We bought a bidet.

[UTGrad98 2326]

Started flying my flag outside our house.  Not sure why I felt the desire to do so but it will stay up until this is over .

[Modessit 5625]

For those looking for TP:

 

Go check your local Family Dollar, Dollar General, Mexican Market, etc and ask them what day and time their trucks come in with new stock. Then be there at that time regardless of how long they tell you it takes to unload. I got four 12-packs (the limit) on Wed doing this. Family Dollar was handing them out from behind the register instead of putting them on shelves. I was lucky enough to grab 2 cases of water at HEB earlier that day and another 2 cases at the Mexican market. We shouldn't have to leave the house for a couple weeks now.

 

 

[ChiTownDoc 21284]

14 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

I was shopping earlier on 117th in East Harlem by the FDR Drive. Once you left that shopping area it was a sparse amount of people out. The trains are 90 percent empty. This was my first time going out since Tuesday. I go to that shopping center because they have Costco, Target and Aldi all together which is nice and because I get any prescriptions I need from that Costco. 

Some of my buddies who I graduated with work in nyc.  They said this was the first time ever they drove to work.  Mind you, we were in school during 9/11...still crazy.  

[Limp Brisket 546]

Stimulus checks, market crash, businesses closed, is this going to cost more than not doing those things with a virus that has a 98.5% survival rate and a predicted 50% infection rate?  Is it overreaction or no?

I’m only asking because one day I lean this way and the next I lean that way.

 

 

 

[Hagbard Celine 11025]

8 minutes ago, clapclapclap said:

Either I went to an HEB with an idiot manager, or they need to rethink some of their changes.  The Kroger down the street had very little shortages and much less hassle.

Got to HEB about 3:45 this afternoon, only waited in line about 15 minutes (thank you, rain dancers.)  But once inside the bakery was completely shut down, no one working, nothing in the displays, and the bread stand completely bare except for a few packages of white bread from an outside distributer (aka Food4Less quality.)  WTH?  Not much produce and the rest of the food and cleaning supplies were more than 50% empty shelves.  Was inside about a half an hour and never saw a single employee restocking.  

But they did have almost an aisle and a half of bottled water available.

I asked the checkout clerk why the bakery was closed and he said HEB was going to deemphasize that and put out more package items in that section instead.  Great, what a boneheaded choice, if true.  The only reason I came in was for fresh veggies, fresh bread, and rotis. chicken.  Was 1 for 3, might as well go to Kroger from now on.  Their fresh breads are lame compared to HEB, but at least I can buy some.

The Kroger a mile away had about the same number of shoppers at 5pm, but no lines and the shelves were about 80% full.  Bakery was open and had a big selection.  Was able to get all but one thing on my list that was out at HEB.  Though Kroger was low on ground beef, eggs, and bottled water compared to HEB.  Employees were running around restocking shelves.   

It was just one store, but did HEB just switch to not restocking during the day to lower the risk to their employees?  If so, then why not close for a couple of hours after lunch to restock and then extend hours to 10pm?  Stocking like a garage sale doesn't make sense, and will result in people rushing the store in the morning.   Bunching everyone into 12 hours of shopping instead of 15, like Kroger does, is dumb.  I went in at 9:30 Sunday night and found the anti-bac soap refills and foaming soap that have been gone from HEB's for 2 weeks.  Not good when Kroger is doing a better job than you are.

Austinites think HEB is a public utility like the grid, natural gas and government.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 minute ago, UTGrad98 said:

Started flying my flag outside our house.  Not sure why I felt the desire to do so but it will stay up until this is over .

Upside down or right side up ?

[tejas60 3537]

27 minutes ago, Wally Fairway said:

Maybe I should hook it up to the main TV as a monitor, or a projection TV and take it outside

I do that when I watch porn.

[Anastasis 23529]

[Iceman 2820]

9 minutes ago, clapclapclap said:

Either I went to an HEB with an idiot manager, or they need to rethink some of their changes.  The Kroger down the street had very little shortages and much less hassle.

Got to HEB about 3:45 this afternoon, only waited in line about 15 minutes (thank you, rain dancers.)  But once inside the bakery was completely shut down, no one working, nothing in the displays, and the bread stand completely bare except for a few packages of white bread from an outside distributer (aka Food4Less quality.)  WTH?  Not much produce and the rest of the food and cleaning supplies were more than 50% empty shelves.  Was inside about a half an hour and never saw a single employee restocking.  

But they did have almost an aisle and a half of bottled water available.

I asked the checkout clerk why the bakery was closed and he said HEB was going to deemphasize that and put out more package items in that section instead.  Great, what a boneheaded choice, if true.  The only reason I came in was for fresh veggies, fresh bread, and rotis. chicken.  Was 1 for 3, might as well go to Kroger from now on.  Their fresh breads are lame compared to HEB, but at least I can buy some.

The Kroger a mile away had about the same number of shoppers at 5pm, but no lines and the shelves were about 80% full.  Bakery was open and had a big selection.  Was able to get all but one thing on my list that was out at HEB.  Though Kroger was low on ground beef, eggs, and bottled water compared to HEB.  Employees were running around restocking shelves.   

It was just one store, but did HEB just switch to not restocking during the day to lower the risk to their employees?  If so, then why not close for a couple of hours after lunch to restock and then extend hours to 10pm?  Stocking like a garage sale doesn't make sense, and will result in people rushing the store in the morning.   Bunching everyone into 12 hours of shopping instead of 15, like Kroger does, is dumb.  I went in at 9:30 Sunday night and found the anti-bac soap refills and foaming soap that have been gone from HEB's for 2 weeks.  Not good when Kroger is doing a better job than you are. 

 

 

 

Most likely, and I know this is going to blow your mind... HEB already sold through their trucks for the day.  There is NOTHING else to put out until their trucks arrive overnight.

The system is swamped, and HEB has among the very best logistics around.

Maybe I misread your post, but the Kroger is likely still 'in business' because they aren't as busy.  That's not necessarily a loss for the customer.  Go get the shit you need, but don't hold that against HEB.  They most likely got shopped first.

[VABuckeye 2472]

Ordered a handle of Tito’s online from Virginia ABC because I can and get an email sting they’re out?   Fuck tou VA ABC for not preparing. 

WP problems I know. 

[Modessit 5625]

For those who shop at Costco, Instacart has been given permission to use the back door to bypass the lines outside.

[Druggist 303]

3 hours ago, HRSchenker said:

Texas board of pharmacy just passed an emergency rule a few minutes ago stating that pharmacists are not allowed to dispense hydroxychloroquine inconsistent with the evidence of its use so that effectively makes these orders illegal. If the prescription is given a valid diagnosis code it cannot be for more than 14 days worth or have refills. So there we go.

The stockpiling by doctors reminds me a bit of the congressmen using their position to enrich themselves during this.  I know I would not have grabbed some off the shelf for my wife/family because I would never steal. Not sure if I would have prescribed myself some had I the authority.  
I am very worried about my wife when she runs out of her current supply.

here’s a link announcing the reasoning of the emergency meeting:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.kxan.com/news/state-board-of-pharmacy-pharmacists-stop-hoarding-drugs-showing-promise-to-treat-covid-19/amp/

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

Just now, VABuckeye said:

Ordered a handle of Tito’s online from Virginia ABC because I can and get an email sting they’re out?   Fuck tou VA ABC for not preparing. 

WP problems I know. 

Damn, they always have Titos.....

[Hagbard Celine 11025]

10 minutes ago, Hate said:

Why do you hate other people's buttholes? 

[UpperWestside 6226]

2 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Some of my buddies who I graduated with work in nyc.  They said this was the first time ever they drove to work.  Mind you, we were in school during 9/11...still crazy.  

It is surreal to witness the city so empty. There is plenty of parking available in Manhattan, that's for sure. I am glad people here are realizing the severity of what is happening and are mostly staying in. 

[tx 3 putt 78027]

15 minutes ago, clapclapclap said:

Either I went to an HEB with an idiot manager, or they need to rethink some of their changes.  The Kroger down the street had very little shortages and much less hassle.

Got to HEB about 3:45 this afternoon, only waited in line about 15 minutes (thank you, rain dancers.)  But once inside the bakery was completely shut down, no one working, nothing in the displays, and the bread stand completely bare except for a few packages of white bread from an outside distributer (aka Food4Less quality.)  WTH?  Not much produce and the rest of the food and cleaning supplies were more than 50% empty shelves.  Was inside about a half an hour and never saw a single employee restocking.  

But they did have almost an aisle and a half of bottled water available.

I asked the checkout clerk why the bakery was closed and he said HEB was going to deemphasize that and put out more package items in that section instead.  Great, what a boneheaded choice, if true.  The only reason I came in was for fresh veggies, fresh bread, and rotis. chicken.  Was 1 for 3, might as well go to Kroger from now on.  Their fresh breads are lame compared to HEB, but at least I can buy some.

The Kroger a mile away had about the same number of shoppers at 5pm, but no lines and the shelves were about 80% full.  Bakery was open and had a big selection.  Was able to get all but one thing on my list that was out at HEB.  Though Kroger was low on ground beef, eggs, and bottled water compared to HEB.  Employees were running around restocking shelves.   

It was just one store, but did HEB just switch to not restocking during the day to lower the risk to their employees?  If so, then why not close for a couple of hours after lunch to restock and then extend hours to 10pm?  Stocking like a garage sale doesn't make sense, and will result in people rushing the store in the morning.   Bunching everyone into 12 hours of shopping instead of 15, like Kroger does, is dumb.  I went in at 9:30 Sunday night and found the anti-bac soap refills and foaming soap that have been gone from HEB's for 2 weeks.  Not good when Kroger is doing a better job than you are. 

 

 

 

I’m sorry you didn’t get your artisan bread before the world ends !

[The Dog 44340]

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

2 minutes ago, UpperWestside said:

It is surreal to witness the city so empty. There is plenty of parking available in Manhattan, that's for sure. I am glad people here are realizing the severity of what is happening and are mostly staying in. 

Usually one must see such a site in a post apocalyptic film...

[T’Boo Ted Marshall 2759]

Tried a pickup order at Mi Cocina. Placed it at 5:30 for pickup at 6:45
Instructions were to stay in your car and it would be brought out. As I pulled up I saw 5-6 cars waiting. I looked inside to see 20-30 people waiting. I asked a guy walking out with food how long he waited. 1.5 hours.

What a shitshow.

[Aqua Buddha 14672]

7 minutes ago, Iceman said:

Most likely, and I know this is going to blow your mind... HEB already sold through their trucks for the day.  There is NOTHING else to put out until their trucks arrive overnight.

The system is swamped, and HEB has among the very best logistics around.

Maybe I misread your post, but the Kroger is likely still 'in business' because they aren't as busy.  That's not necessarily a loss for the customer.  Go get the shit you need, but don't hold that against HEB.  They most likely got shopped first.

HEB is also getting allocated.  Kroger is a much bigger chain and the big brands are choosing to service them over HEB.

[clapclapclap 9000]

25 minutes ago, Iceman said:

Most likely, and I know this is going to blow your mind... HEB already sold through their trucks for the day.  There is NOTHING else to put out until their trucks arrive overnight.

The system is swamped, and HEB has among the very best logistics around.

Maybe I misread your post, but the Kroger is likely still 'in business' because they aren't as busy.  That's not necessarily a loss for the customer.  Go get the shit you need, but don't hold that against HEB.  They most likely got shopped first.

Perhaps, but still doesn't explain shutting down their damn bakery.  Any other location with a shut bakery?  Still wondering if it is an idiot manager, or maybe a worker got sick and they shut it to clean it.   

And also sounds like excuses.  HEB has 28% of the local grocery market, Walmart 25%, and Kroger 22%.  So the 'nobody shops there' line about Kroger is BS.

Edit:  Thanks, AquaB, that makes sense.

Edit: Edit:  Thanks, Cooter.

Edited March 21, 2020 by clapclapclap

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 minute ago, Aqua Buddha said:

HEB is also getting allocated.  Kroger is a much bigger chain and the big brands are choosing to service them over HEB.

It's good to be the king......... errr Kroger

[Limp Brisket 546]

13 minutes ago, Limp Brisket said:

Stimulus checks, market crash, businesses closed, is this going to cost more than not doing those things with a virus that has a 98.5% survival rate and a predicted 50% infection rate?  Is it overreaction or no?

I’m only asking because one day I lean this way and the next I lean that way.

 

 

 

?

[Homercles 10206]

I’m good on toilet paper but can’t find any damn hand soap, Amazon included.  

[atomheartbevo 90149]

12 minutes ago, Modessit said:

For those who shop at Costco, Instacart has been given permission to use the back door to bypass the lines outside.

[Buzzrock 15033]

God damn I hate you. That looks so fucking good.

This made me wonder so I looked: I’m 168 miles from the nearest. But it’s been my experience that the quality falls off the further you get from Texas. Alabama, Florida, and South Georgia WB’s suck. Dunno why there aren’t any in Atlanta.

[Hagbard Celine 11025]

what happened with the small business administration call at 245 with OM ??

[CooterBrown 18151]

Perhaps, but still doesn't explain shutting down their damn bakery.  Any other location with a shut bakery?  Still wondering if it is an idiot manager, or maybe a worker got sick and they shut it to clean it.   
And also sounds like excuses.  HEB has 28% of the local grocery market, Walmart 25%, and Kroger 22%.  So the 'nobody shops there' line about Kroger is BS.
 
 

HEB shut the bakeries and delis in their stores to focus on necessities. They said this in their press release when all this shit started.

[Radical Larry 28689]

 

 

[Iceman 2820]

1 minute ago, clapclapclap said:

Perhaps, but still doesn't explain shutting down their damn bakery.   

And also sounds like excuses.  HEB has 28% of the local grocery market, Walmart 25%, and Kroger 22%.  So the 'nobody shops there' line about Kroger is BS.

Dude...

If you don't understand that these are "less than ideal" circumstances, I don't know what the fuck to say.

My employer works with all retailers. I don't have a loyalty beyond the relationship HEB has with the state of Texas, of which I am a resident; and recognizing how fucking good they are at what they do on a day-to-day basis.

If you're walking around getting bent because they're out of Grey Poupon, you have ze-fucking-ro self awareness.  i hate you as a customer.

[clapclapclap 9000]

 

11 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

I’m sorry you didn’t get your artisan bread before the world ends !

Thank you.  The best or nothing.

Edited March 21, 2020 by clapclapclap
Let them eat TP

[Anastasis 23529]

[VABuckeye 2472]

3 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

what happened with the small business administration call at 245 with OM ??

I posted my notes in the business thread. 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

7 minutes ago, clapclapclap said:

Perhaps, but still doesn't explain shutting down their damn bakery.  Any other location with a shut bakery?  Still wondering if it is an idiot manager, or maybe a worker got sick and they shut it to clean it.   

 

 

Mehhh...... Let them eat cake.......  too soon ?

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

Mmmmmm that'a real dark roast flavor

[dcar00 14633]

2 minutes ago, Radical Larry said:

 

 

#1 bitches.  we gonna drink and take down the corona at the same time.  why? because Texas

[Pato del Muerto 52995]

15 minutes ago, Limp Brisket said:

Stimulus checks, market crash, businesses closed, is this going to cost more than not doing those things with a virus that has a 98.5% survival rate and a predicted 50% infection rate?  Is it overreaction or no?

I’m only asking because one day I lean this way and the next I lean that way.

 

 

 

Your own numbers will lead to about 2.5 million dead Americans. 
400k in ww2 (US pop 132 million), 60k in Vietnam. 
civil war estimate of 750k, both sides.  (US population 30 million, yowzers)

So similarish  % to ww2 but much different demographics. 

[VABuckeye 2472]

6 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

what happened with the small business administration call at 245 with OM ??

Here ya go. Please stay away from politics. 
 

Just got off the call. It moved quickly. Here are my notes. The president and a few cabinet members spoke.

The goal is to keep small and medium sized businesses whole.

Two primary goals

1) Keep worforce employed and help workforce. Payments for the general population are being negotiated. The number $3000 was mentioned on the call.

2) Defer payroll taxes, corporate taxes and income taxes for businesses.

There is a relief package coming. Immediately 3 billion is being made available. This part was a little vague.

Billions for disaster relief loans being signed today. Economic disaster relief loans are already available in 47 states and soon to be all 50 states. Economic disaster reliefs loan will have 1 year deferred payments. Economic disaster relief loans may ultimately be forgiven. Criteria for disaster relief loans will be less stringent that criteria for regular SBA loans.

Regular SBA loan payments may be deferred up to 6 months.

Sick leave and medical leave for employees at no cost to employers. Dollar for dollar tax credit.

There was a little more but it went so fast that I don't want to put something inaccurate here.

[Buzzrock 15033]

?

There was a thread about this but I don’t know where it went. There was an editorial in the WSJ this morning that basically opined that the drastic impact to the economy may not be worth the lives saved, and that phase two needs to incorporate some sort of quarantine for those at risk and everyone else needs to get back to work.

I see the argument. No easy answers.

[Foosters 17980]

13 minutes ago, T’Boo Ted Marshall said:

Tried a pickup order at Mi Cocina. Placed it at 5:30 for pickup at 6:45
Instructions were to stay in your car and it would be brought out. As I pulled up I saw 5-6 cars waiting. I looked inside to see 20-30 people waiting. I asked a guy walking out with food how long he waited. 1.5 hours.

What a shitshow.

That's not surprising.  Where else are all the Park cities people going to get Mexican food? A real Mexican restaurant?

[clapclapclap 9000]

1 minute ago, Iceman said:

Dude...

If you don't understand that these are "less than ideal" circumstances, I don't know what the fuck to say.

My employer works with all retailers. I don't have a loyalty beyond the relationship HEB has with the state of Texas, of which I am a resident; and recognizing how fucking good they are at what they do on a day-to-day basis.

If you're walking around getting bent because they're out of Grey Poupon, you have ze-fucking-ro self awareness.  i hate you as a customer.

Thanks, Captain Overreact.  It's definitely must be totally unrealistic entitlement whenever anyone notices that one chain may be doing some things better than another.  

[Big D 249]

23 minutes ago, Modessit said:

For those who shop at Costco, Instacart has been given permission to use the back door to bypass the lines outside.

Can you please explain what this means?

[Brisketexan 105787]

I’m sorry you didn’t get your artisan bread before the world ends !

Bread hack - buy the pillsbury ready to bake refrigerated stuff. You can bake a decent French loaf easily.

[0xdeadbeef 1654]

7 minutes ago, Radical Larry said:

Oh yeah. About that.  Sorry for the skewed numbers.  I think 50% of those tweets were my son making the same corona beer jokes. 

[atomheartbevo 90149]

[Liquor and Poker 3659]

1 minute ago, Big D said:

Can you please explain what this means?

Instacart is your back door Santa. 

[Iceman 2820]

1 minute ago, clapclapclap said:

Thanks, Captain Overreact.  It's definitely must be totally unrealistic entitlement whenever anyone notices that one chain may be doing some things better than another.  

sure you went to 2 different stores.

Great assessment.

[joeycovers 397]

Fuck you Corona. Put me on Furlough today. And I work in the Industrial Field. Bunch of bat eating idiots.