Formerly DT: COVID-19 - Featuring Lots of Politics, now CR because political talk not going away

[PRONG HORN 3,144]

[VABuckeye 2,472]

I could do some ventilating on those.

[Hagbard Celine 10,855]

those are real

[VABuckeye 2,472]

And spectacular

[Thetexashammer 1,062]

Just now, VABuckeye said:

I could do some ventilating on those.

She's the hero we need right now, but not the hero we deserve.

[ChiTownDoc 21,152]

And...I'm hyperventilating. 

[Thetexashammer 1,062]

4 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Vents and respirators are used interchangeably...I'm 99% sure they do mean a full on Ventilator...I assumed that but would still assume they mean that.  Otherwise odd to celebrate. 

You know, vents aren't east to manage. 

[ChiTownDoc 21,152]

1 minute ago, Thetexashammer said:

You know, vents aren't east to manage. 

After ProngHorn's post I have no idea wtf we are or were talking about. 

[Surly Bevo 24,908]

Just now, ChiTownDoc said:

After ProngHorn's post I have no idea wtf we are or were talking about. 

I'll clarify....OU sucks

[Seger78 258]

From the article

https://news.3m.com/blog/3m-stories/ceo-update-3ms-response-covid-19?utm_term=corp-brd-en_us-ba-brand-osm-twt-na-learn-photocard-mar20-na

Its N95 Disposable respirator masks, not ventilators but still good

[atomheartbevo 89,656]

Watching the presser, and way behind, but holy shit the FEMA guy looks miserable.  Like, about to cry.   

[ChiTownDoc 21,152]

Just now, Surly Bevo said:

I'll clarify....OU sucks

On those boobies!  amiright?

I'll see myself out. 

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13,091]

1 minute ago, Seger78 said:

From the article

https://news.3m.com/blog/3m-stories/ceo-update-3ms-response-covid-19?utm_term=corp-brd-en_us-ba-brand-osm-twt-na-learn-photocard-mar20-na

Its N95 Disposable respirator masks, not ventilators but still good

Many hospitals have been unable to obtain the masks.

[Yarbr 123]

Just now, atomheartbevo said:

Watching the presser, and way behind, but holy shit the FEMA guy looks miserable.  Like, about to cry.   

He did not like talking about the National Guard.

[ChiTownDoc 21,152]

1 minute ago, Seger78 said:

From the article

https://news.3m.com/blog/3m-stories/ceo-update-3ms-response-covid-19?utm_term=corp-brd-en_us-ba-brand-osm-twt-na-learn-photocard-mar20-na

Its N95 Disposable respirator masks, not ventilators but still good

LOL...that's great but we literally ordered a few million today from the middle east for NW and Baylor Scott & White...delivery 5-7 days. 

I stand corrected and retract my 'fuck yeah' celebration. 

[Pato del Muerto 52,490]

Seems like @ChiTownDocis loopy from sleep deprivation 

[Surly Bevo 24,908]

1 minute ago, ChiTownDoc said:

LOL...that's great but we literally ordered a few million today from the middle east for NW and Baylor Scott & White...delivery 5-7 days. 

I stand corrected and retract my 'fuck yeah' celebration. 

Didn't sound like 3M was sending them to you guys in Chicago anyway....they like the clients on the coasts better.  

[RayDog 682]

Never mind the first point.

3 of the 25 dead in the Philippines are doctors from 3 different hospitals. 10 more doctors are infected and many other medical staff are quarantined. 

 

Edited March 22, 2020 by RayDog

[woohorn 1,131]

NBC Nightly News has their lede

[ChiTownDoc 21,152]

1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Seems like @ChiTownDocis loopy from sleep deprivation 

LOL, I had few yesterday and am paying the price.  But I was definitely in the clouds dreaming of 500k vents being delivered.  That's literally a dream scenario...

[atomheartbevo 89,656]

3 minutes ago, Yarbr said:

He did not like talking about the National Guard.

The Alex Jones crowd should be flipping out and going all out “FEMA GUY KNOWS SOMETHING HES NOT TELLING.  FEMA IS ORDERING COFFINS AND BUILDING CAMPS AND HE KNOWS WHATS COMING!”

[ChiTownDoc 21,152]

1 minute ago, Surly Bevo said:

Didn't sound like 3M was sending them to you guys in Chicago anyway....they like the clients on the coasts better.  

Nope, not for us, we had to go through a source in the Dubai who uses the 3M plant in Austria.  But this is not atypical as the usual supply chains are completely broken down.  But NW and BSW both ordered more than a million total masks for a few million dollars. 

[Pato del Muerto 52,490]

1 minute ago, atomheartbevo said:

The Alex Jones crowd should be flipping out and going all out “FEMA GUY KNOWS SOMETHING HES NOT TELLING.  FEMA IS ORDERING COFFINS AND BUILDING CAMPS AND HE KNOWS WHATS COMING!”

I’d like to think that fema would incinerate masses of bodies rather than spend money for so many coffins.  I’d like to think that. 

[Blotto 23,498]

As a nation, I've read we have about 120,000 ventilators at hospitals throughout the country. The idea that 3M could tool up and deliver 500K of them in a matter of weeks is uh, laughable. If that was the case, we wouldn't be that worried about the lack of ventilators in the first place. Numbers are hard. 

[Seger78 258]

I'm guessing that after a few weeks of shut down we'll start seeing businesses allowed to reopen but with workers wearing masks, so having masks available will be needed.

[utee94 15,820]

Still, those N95s are needed all over the place.  And 500K of those delivered immediately, makes more sense than 500K ventilators which, from the sound of what I hear on this thread, might be more ventilators than are currently available in all of the western hemisphere?

 

Also, agree with those that say all we need to do is crank up the machine, and we can solve the product/equipment problems.  

[ChiTownDoc 21,152]

Just now, Blotto said:

As a nation, I've read we have about 120,000 ventilators at hospitals throughout the country. The idea that 3M could tool up and deliver 500K of them in a matter of weeks is uh, laughable. If that was the case, we wouldn't be that worried about the lack of ventilators in the first place. Numbers are hard. 

Was definitely laughable.  But imo so is celebrating sending 100k masks.  Individual hospitals are ordering a million at a time.  

[conVINCEd 21,469]

1 minute ago, Blotto said:

As a nation, I've read we have about 120,000 ventilators at hospitals throughout the country. The idea that 3M could tool up and deliver 500K of them in a matter of weeks is uh, laughable. If that was the case, we wouldn't be that worried about the lack of ventilators in the first place. Numbers are hard. 

Ventilators and respirators are different things.

[ChiTownDoc 21,152]

Just now, utee94 said:

Still, those N95s are needed all over the place.  And 500K of those delivered immediately, makes more sense than 500K ventilators which, from the sound of what I hear on this thread, might be more ventilators than are currently available in all of the western hemisphere?

Also, agree with those that say all we need to do is crank up the machine, and we can solve the product/equipment problems.  

Its more than worldwide supply.  But I'd say that if we ramped up it's far from crazy to think this country could produced 500k in a month.  

[Nice Guy Eddie 13,511]

Spoiler

Spoiler

Dallas county expected to announce shelter in place starting late monday night. 

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/public-health/2020/03/22/dallas-county-residents-ordered-to-stay-home-as-new-shelter-in-place-rules-are-put-in-place/

Edit:Cant erase spoiler tags

Edited March 22, 2020 by Nice Guy Eddie

[JOSEYWALES66 1,801]

5 minutes ago, Seger78 said:

I'm guessing that after a few weeks of shut down we'll start seeing businesses allowed to reopen but with workers wearing masks, so having masks available will be needed.

Exactly.  This is a step in the right direction. 

[atomheartbevo 89,656]

 

1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I’d like to think that fema would incinerate masses of bodies rather than spend money for so many coffins.  I’d like to think that. 

That makes sense.   But when you talk about those fucking loons, it’s got to be camps and plastic coffins.   And in recent years, we’ve added underground compounds and Walmart prisons.    Jones did finally say this is opening the door for the NWO, so he’s starting to hit his old catch-phrases.     And he’s doing the “Army entering NYC” when it’s the Army Corps of Engineer (who already have plenty of folks normally based out of NYC).   

@Yarbr saw what you mean, FEMA guy was extremely.....aggressive about clarifying the National Guard being under local control, and about the rumors floating around,   Sounds like he was speaking directly to the fucking Alex Jones idiots    

 

[Message Board User 12,395]

 

[Message Board User 12,395]

 

[T’Boo Ted Marshall 2,732]

Maybe this was discussed but does the estimated number of ventilators and available hospital beds include military bases and stock?

[ChiTownDoc 21,152]

12 minutes ago, conVINCEd said:

Ventilators and respirators are different things.

Lay people and even sales/DME people use the terms interchangeably.  Just google to see them used interchangeably all the time.  
 

In the hospital we always used vent dependent separate from respirator.  

[ChiTownDoc 21,152]

2 minutes ago, T’Boo Ted Marshall said:

Maybe this was discussed but does the estimated number of ventilators and available hospital beds include military bases and stock?

Yes.  There’s a national reserve supposedly but they’re spoken for.  Ventilators are not THAT difficult to produce.  There was never a need like this, hence the lack of numbers.  If Trump issues that decree pvt industry could use Medtronic blue prints and ramp up really damn fast.  

[Pato del Muerto 52,490]

5 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

 

Both are WAY over the available hospital beds limit so how much help is it now?

[AngryDragon 270]

1 hour ago, VABuckeye said:

Listening to Cuomo speak.  He's not playing the political blame game.  Quite the opposite.  He's saying that the parties are working together and that the political red tape needs to be cut.  He also emphasized that a bill about Coronavirus needs to be about relief only with no pork.  Money where money needs to go to those in need.

No chance of that happening unfortunately. 

[dcar00 14,181]

51 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Edit:  I'll stand by my assumption they are vents.  

wow if they are vents that is huge.  my assumption was respirators for medical personnel, field workers, doctors offices, etc.

[Zepol87 9,185]

So many loopholes for companies to try to say they fit in these "essential" businesses. Buddy works at a car dealership and they are telling everyone they aren't closing. No one will close

[ChiTownDoc 21,152]

2 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

wow if they are vents that is huge.  my assumption was respirators for medical personnel, field workers, doctors offices, etc.

I was wrong lol. My bad - to me crowing about that many resp masks as 3M is asinine.  

[tx 3 putt 76,926]

3 minutes ago, Zepol87 said:

So many loopholes for companies to try to say they fit in these "essential" businesses. Buddy works at a car dealership and they are telling everyone they aren't closing. No one will close

It’s a joke 

[atomheartbevo 89,656]

10 minutes ago, AngryDragon said:

No chance of that happening unfortunately. 

1234.   This thing could be torpedoed because of that.  They should have done the payments to Americans/families as its own little bill instead of tying it to all of this other stuff.  

Also, they need to clarify to Americans if these payments are from this year’s (2020j taxes - I’ve seen them taking about this basically being an advanced tax refund (reducing your refund next year) or being counted against next year’s taxes.   So it doesn’t sound like it’s free money like some are claiming.   But again, a lot of stuff is being tossed out by Mnuchin, Mitchell. Etc. and no clear idea on where it’s coming from.  

Edited March 22, 2020 by atomheartbevo

[ChiTownDoc 21,152]

1 hour ago, babysdaddy said:

Buy some 3m tomorrow chi

It was resp masks.  But yes, they’re a good one to buy I’m guessing. 

This presser gives me zero confidence.   We fucked. 

[atomheartbevo 89,656]

15 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Yes.  There’s a national reserve supposedly but they’re spoken for.  Ventilators are not THAT difficult to produce.  There was never a need like this, hence the lack of numbers.  If Trump issues that decree pvt industry could use Medtronic blue prints and ramp up really damn fast.  

Where are the basic components and circuit boards normally made?

[dcar00 14,181]

2 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

I was wrong lol. My bad - to me crowing about that many resp masks as 3M is asinine.  

not sure what you meant but was at least good to get an update from the source as to number shipping and where even if it is just respirators. 

[ChiTownDoc 21,152]

Just now, atomheartbevo said:

Where are the basic components and circuit boards normally made?

That’s the thing.  Medtronic owns the blueprint so if trump makes it so, then they can be made here.  Usually I’m assuming China?

[ChiTownDoc 21,152]

1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

not sure what you meant but was at least good to get an update from the source as to number shipping and where even if it is just respirators. 

Yep it’s good but not as good as my wet dream that it was vents.  

[BillyGoatHill 4,312]

3M has a long history of making N95 masks and a respirator mask for workers....they also make parts for ventilators ( most likely filters). They have agreements with a couple universities for prototype ventilators, but not currently making them now.

Pretty sure the tweet had to do with their N95 or other masks that they have the capability to ramp up pretty much overnight.