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Against my better judgment and several beers deep, I have taken you up on this, potentially ending my streak of totally worthless posts. I have done 3 and 7 day averages only on the Worldometer data. 

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46 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Or - you could adopt German-type protection for American industry and workers as a more American-centric approach and keep the American Consumer Machine pumping out money velocity while protecting national industrial interests. 

I see bioweapons as lethal strikes against the United States in the future - now that the Coronavirus has exposed our economic weaknesses to them. National security probably demand we shorten our supply lines and bring that manufacturing back home. 

I know this is anecdotal and not related to biomedical production, but both Hermes and Goyard (both luxury goods manufacturing) control the process from beginning to end.  In fact, Goyard has EVERYTHING done in France, in its own production factories.  That is unlike other luxury goods companies who outsource those.  Thus why while there are still fake Hermes/Goyards out there, they are relatively easy to spot.

We would be smart to do something similar with our production of essential goods, such as medicines and medical equipment.  

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2 minutes ago, Liquor and Poker said:

Reading between the lines, Sylvester is pushing back on further restrictions. 

Agree with this.  His PCs and tweets have been explicit in stating there's no shelter in place, no lockdown.  Sounds like others want the shelter in place but Turner doesn't. 

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4 hours ago, Constant said:

The streets overnight in my division have looked promising. With the incoming shelter-in-place, I hope it only gets better. Call loads have been relatively low recently. Not seeing too many idiots trying to take advantage, so far. Domestic violence is about to go through the roof though. 

Have you all been giving any guidance as to how to enforce this?  Will you ticket/fine people blatantly violating order?  Also, I need to re-read order but it seems like 'essential businesses' could have been expanded to anyone that can do their job while staying within 6 feet.  For example, I planned to hire my yard guy to do extra 'spring' stuff just to help keep $$ flowing into economy where I can but not sure he is technically supposed to be operating.

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Has anyone read the Dallas County SAH decree?  Seems not too many folks will actually have to stay at home.  The groups that dont' have to shelter at home make for a pretty long list of people that can work.  

Link:  https://www.dallascounty.org/Assets/uploads/docs/judge-jenkins/covid-19/03232020-AmendedOrder.pdf

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44 minutes ago, Sgt Hulk said:

I want to give you all props. This thread is level headed full of knowledge and great discussion.  I made the poor error during my morning shitter to venture into the CR version of this thread and it was worse than watching inbreeding porn in college station.  Thank goodness the internet’s collection of idiots all remain in that one section.  Thank you all for being the voice of reason and knowledge here 

Every time I visit that board I feel like I just walked into a Walmart and then need to shower.

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1 minute ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

I know this is anecdotal and not related to biomedical production, but both Hermes and Goyard (both luxury goods manufacturing) control the process from beginning to end.  In face, Goyard has EVERYTHING done in France, in its own shops.  That is unlike other luxury goods companies who outsource those.  Thus why while there are still fake Hermes/Goyards out there, they are relatively easy to spot.

We would be smart to do something similar with our production of essential goods, such as medicines and medical equipment.  

I have seen a genuine Birkin next to a $300 fake bought in Guangzhou and if there are differences, you’d need hours and tools to spot them.  Stitches, labels, shape, texture, everything. 

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39 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

The sample size on so called reinfection is small enough, and testing (particularly early on) is inaccurate enough that it's very possible that reinfection actually means one of the test results was just wrong.
 

Possibly. Also, it is possible that the virus was never cleared 100% from the first infection. And there is a slight possibility that the PCR test that was used was not specific enough to this particular coronvirus, cross-contamination of samples, poor documentation of samples and a whole host of other things that can cause a misdiagnosis. Re-infection does happen in viruses like herpes which can hide from our immune system. However, coronaviruses don't work in this fashion. People need to just accept that this virus behaves like other coronaviruses. There has been and will be a lot of misinformation out there. This will always be the case with today's internet.

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9 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Rigged this up this morning at work

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Mv and Tv’s were able to support two 100kg pts

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You probably have figured it out, but you've also got your own supplies to rig yourselves N95 masks:

 

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10 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

I know this is anecdotal and not related to biomedical production, but both Hermes and Goyard (both luxury goods manufacturing) control the process from beginning to end.  In face, Goyard has EVERYTHING done in France, in its own shops.  That is unlike other luxury goods companies who outsource those.  Thus why while there are still fake Hermes/Goyards out there, they are relatively easy to spot.

We would be smart to do something similar with our production of essential goods, such as medicines and medical equipment.  

yes, it would be smart to do this.

both of those companies are private. both of those companies make luxury goods almost exclusively. 

the overwhelmingly majority of companies in the medical field that produce the majority of items are not private, they are public.

even if they do it state-side - in Texas most of the non-independent Critical Access Hospitals are all buying through a GPO, and almost all the time they are going to go with the lowest or close to lowest priced alternatives. if they two products, after being trialed, are even anywhere close to comparable they are going with the lower priced alternative. 

even the smaller Texas GPOs (in the scheme of things) out there are representing like a billion in purchasing volume. 

i get what you are saying, but it isn't realistic in 2020. 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Sgt Hulk said:

I want to give you all props. This thread is level headed full of knowledge and great discussion.  I made the poor error during my morning shitter to venture into the CR version of this thread and it was worse than watching inbreeding porn in college station.  Thank goodness the internet’s collection of idiots all remain in that one section.  Thank you all for being the voice of reason and knowledge here 

Yea, it's pretty pathetic.  Lot of folks in the CR are happy when someone is tested positive for the virus.  

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1 minute ago, Lobwedgephil said:

At each site, so 500 total for Harris County. Though there are a lot of private places giving tests as well. 

Either way, ridiculously low number for such a large area. 

 

For as bad as the US as a whole has been testing wise, the State of Texas has really been shit

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17 minutes ago, Pancho said:

Agree with this.  His PCs and tweets have been explicit in stating there's no shelter in place, no lockdown.  Sounds like others want the shelter in place but Turner doesn't. 

It’s interesting, given the numerous jurisdictions and challenges.  And the Harris County judge, she’s only 29 years old and relatively new to the political game, so that’s got some influence.

If she closes down Harris County, Houston still dips into Fort Bend and Montgomery counties.   Speaking of, Montgomery County seems like they’ve been on the ball in publishing info about positive tests and where these people had been recently.  

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3 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

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This is what methodist is wearing for emergency OR cases. Holy.Shit.


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Doesn't look right. That's not an OR area or postop area. You wouldn't be putting that on before going into an OR in such a nonsterile fashion. Surgeons care a shit ton about dexterity. You aren't going to wear all of those things and then properly gown and glove on top.

Now Orthopaedic surgeons do use a hood that is ventilated, and I can see that being adopted for suspected cases of Covid-19 that need to go to the OR, but you still gown and glove sterilely. 

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6 minutes ago, Lobwedgephil said:

At each site, so 500 total for Harris County. Though there are a lot of private places giving tests as well. 

Either way, ridiculously low number for such a large area. 

 

 

6 minutes ago, Bevo VIII said:


According to my math 2x250=500

Yes, 250 at each site.  500 tests a day is really low.  NYC is doing 5k a day.  And that is probably still too low.  Course, my mantra is stay the fuck home unless you actually feel horrific.  

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so it sounds like there might be a treatment that works pretty well

https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Hydroxychloroquine_final_DOI_IJAA.pdf

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“We therefore recommend that COVID-19 patients be treated with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin to cure their infection and to limit the transmission of the virus to other people in order to curb the spread of COVID-19 in the world.”

 

Can get Fauci to approve this, calm down, and stop the tanking of the economy now?

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1 minute ago, naija said:

Doesn't look right. That's not an OR area or postop area. You wouldn't be putting that on before going into an OR in such a nonsterile fashion. Surgeons care a shit ton about dexterity. You aren't going to wear all of those things and then properly gown and glove on top.

Now Orthopaedic surgeons do use a hood that is ventilated, and I can see that being adopted for suspected cases of Covid-19 that need to go to the OR, but you still gown and glove sterilely. 

They are currently training how to gown and glove for surgeries

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so it sounds like there might be a treatment that works pretty well

https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Hydroxychloroquine_final_DOI_IJAA.pdf

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“We therefore recommend that COVID-19 patients be treated with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin to cure their infection and to limit the transmission of the virus to other people in order to curb the spread of COVID-19 in the world.”

 

Can get Fauci to approve this, calm down, and stop the tanking of the economy now?

Well, that's fucking grand....I'm allergic to mycin drugs.  Seriously, I have NO other material allergies (I mean, other than seasonal stuff, cedar, cats).....but mycin drugs make me break out in hives.

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Doesn't look right. That's not an OR area or postop area. You wouldn't be putting that on before going into an OR in such a nonsterile fashion. Surgeons care a shit ton about dexterity. You aren't going to wear all of those things and then properly gown and glove on top.

Now Orthopaedic surgeons do use a hood that is ventilated, and I can see that being adopted for suspected cases of Covid-19 that need to go to the OR, but you still gown and glove sterilely. 

there is a pretty decent chance this is a circulator or MDA/CRNA

looks like a pre-op area that could have been closed down/set up as an area to gown up.

regarding the bold part, she is literally putting on gown/gloves on top of what they are wearing. again this is to minimize PPE usage and gives them something else to wear and keep pt safe. 

the point is they are using this respirator instead of using "easier" PPE like surgical masks. 

  

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They are currently training how to gown and glove for surgeries

this makes sense. thx

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4 minutes ago, Viper said:

so it sounds like there might be a treatment that works pretty well

https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/Hydroxychloroquine_final_DOI_IJAA.pdf

main-qimg-1a31f859bcb2040156ada60d6bdb08

 

“We therefore recommend that COVID-19 patients be treated with hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin to cure their infection and to limit the transmission of the virus to other people in order to curb the spread of COVID-19 in the world.”

 

Can get Fauci to approve this, calm down, and stop the tanking of the economy now?

This has been talked about upthread significantly. They are running tests to see if this work.  I personally think this is exactly what we are trying to get to with our Stay the Fuck Home stuff.  That being said, the FDA and other American agencies need to GET OFF THEIR ASSES AND UNDERSTAND THAT THEIR NORMAL FUCKING TIMELINES NEED TO BE THROWN OUT THE WINDOWS.

 

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New York jumped 38% overnight, to over 20,000 cases.  

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/23/new-york-coronavirus-cases-surge-38percent-overnight-to-20875.html

“New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo issued an emergency order Monday directing hospitals to increase their capacity by 50% as coronavirus cases across the state surged 38% overnight to 20,875.

New York is the hardest-hit state in the country behind New Jersey, Cuomo said. New York City, alone, accounts for 12,305 confirmed infections, he said.

“This could go on for several months,” Cuomo said. Roughly 13% of all cases have been hospitalized so far, 621 of the patients have ended up in the ICU and 157 people have died, he said.l

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4 minutes ago, NoName said:

there is a pretty decent chance this is a circulator or MDA/CRNA

looks like a pre-op area that could have been closed down/set up as an area to gown up.

regarding the bold part, she is literally putting on gown/gloves on top of what they are wearing. again this is to minimize PPE usage and gives them something else to wear and keep pt safe. 

the point is they are using this respirator instead of using "easier" PPE like surgical masks. 

  

this makes sense. thx

Yea I was going to say this looks like tinkering/figuring shit out. Lady gowning/gloving her isn't sterile

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You gotta love how Abbott is abdicating all responsibility and is leaving everything up to the localities to decide.

 

Plastic bag ban? Can't have that. Gotta have everyone on the same page, can't have some "patchwork" of laws.

 

Coronavirus? Meh, do what you want.

 

What a fucking bitch ass motherfucker.

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