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3 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

 

I disagree.  I don't think that a control group is unethical in this situation.  No treatment has been definitively established as effective. 

ok - whatever.  Put me in the treatment group doc.  Anastasis has volunteered to take sugar pills ad watch tiger king.  For science.  

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Yes - this.  Thanks.

If these results are robust, this could be a real game changer if we could get more rapid and widespread testing. Test positive for COVID? Take these drugs and drastically reduce transmission, hospitalizations, etc.   

 

I still haven't read the study, but yes - the key is mass testing with emphasis on rapid results turnaround for early intervention.  4-7 day results turnaround is a death sentence for a lot of people who otherwise could respond to timely intervention.

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1 hour ago, BurntEyes said:

What was already said. I noted before I live in small town USA and ain't nobody told me to GTFO.

Then again, my outfit is psychotic so that helps but still... Where the fuck are you shopping. Tell them fuck off. If they don't shoot them in the fucking head.

Oh wait, that's my strategy. Nevermind.

This guy was wearing a ski mask. That’s why everyone freaked out.

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44 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

So upthread, there was the annoucement of the French officially sanctioning hydroxychloroquine.

Here is the link to the study and the language of the abstract.

 

 

https://www.mediterranee-infection.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/COVID-IHU-2-1.pdf

median age was 52.  18 to 88.  over half had a chronic risk condition. 

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ok - whatever.  Put me in the treatment group doc.  Anastasis has volunteered to take sugar pills ad watch tiger king.  For science.  

Until a proper trial is conducted, you have to assume the null. There should be mechanisms in place to halt the study early based on interim analysis if the groups clearly separate. This happens occasionally in cancer trials for example. 

I don't disagree with your perspective, and that is why you would be free to refuse your consent to participate in the study.

If you search clinicaltrials.gov for covid studies you will find that most of the ones being carried out in the US have a standard of care comparison group. 

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5 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

When we open back up as a country, u aint getting in any business without a mask

Then we better ramp up production locally, because (a) you cannot trust the products coming from China if they even send them and  (b) no one should be taking a mask out of the hands of a medical professional.  

 

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Then we better ramp up production locally, because (a) you cannot trust the products coming from China if they even send them and  (b) no one should be taking a mask out of the hands of a medical professional.  

 

Make them in Central America. Buddy was offered a production line for masks and cannot find anywhere to put it in Africa. 

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Last sentence of the new study's abstract:

"We believe other teams should urgently evaluate this cost-effective therapeutic strategy, to both avoid the spread of the disease and treat patients as soon as possible before severe respiratory irreversible complications take hold."

I'm bullish on this.  Again, MUST generate capacity for mass testing for everyone, symptomatic or not, with rapid turnaround (Abbot has their 15min test ready to go) and meds at the ready to dispense, ideally at point of testing and put on blast.  *I know it's premature with obvious unknowns, but my gut tells me these things taken together for early intervention could be huge.

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From the NY Times:

Earlier in the day, a commercial aircraft carrying gloves, masks, gowns and other medical supplies from Shanghai touched down at Kennedy International Airport in New York, the first of 22 scheduled flights that White House officials say will funnel much-needed goods to the United States by early April.

The plane carried 130,000 N95 masks, nearly 1.8 million surgical masks and gowns, 10 million gloves and more than 70,000 thermometers, said Lizzie Litzow, a spokeswoman for the Federal Emergency Management Agency. FEMA will provide the majority of the supplies to New York, New Jersey and Connecticut, with the rest going to nursing homes in the area and other high-risk areas across the country, a White House spokesman said.

While the supplies will be welcomed by hospitals and health care workers — some of whom have resorted to rationing protective gear or using homemade supplies — they represent just a tiny portion of what American hospitals need. The Department of Health and Human Services has estimated that the United States will require 3.5 billion masks in the event of a pandemic lasting a year.

The pandemic has started a race among foreign governments, American governors and mayors, good Samaritans and opportunists to acquire protective gear, ventilators and other goods from China, the source of more than one-third of medical supplies in the United States in 2019. While China’s own coronavirus epidemic has subsided since February, newly built factory lines in the country are beginning to churn out masks, gowns and gloves.

The flights are the product of a public-private partnership — led by Jared Kushner, Mr. Trump’s son-in-law and a White House senior adviser — in which the administration is looking to health care distributors like McKesson Corporation, Cardinal, Owens & Minor, Medline, and Henry Schein.

I really hope they are going to make sure these are quality supplies.  Based on reports coming out of Europe, I trust nothing Chinese made at this point.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/29/world/coronavirus-live-news-updates.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage

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1 hour ago, closetojumping said:

I would like to see more data or research or what have you regarding this. I’ve read it a few times. Is it still anecdotal or have they put science to this possibility? 

Also, am I the only person on here with no clue what their blood type is?

I don't know what my blood type is either. I can remember my friends' phone numbers and birthdays from middle school, but I can't remember my own blood type. It is a little weird, but whatever.

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2 minutes ago, Bevo said:

I don't know what my blood type is either. I can remember my friends' phone numbers and birthdays from middle school, but I can't remember my own blood type. It is a little weird, but whatever.

Sometimes you don't even need a test.  South Austin's mom is AB+

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3 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

From the NY Times:

The pandemic has started a race among foreign governments, American governors and mayors, good Samaritans and opportunists to acquire protective gear, ventilators and other goods from China, the source of more than one-third of medical supplies in the United States in 2019. While China’s own coronavirus epidemic has subsided since February, newly built factory lines in the country are beginning to churn out masks, gowns and gloves.

So a novel virus emerges out of China, they put out data saying they have it under control (we all know the data is bullshit), gear up new factories to make PPE, and sell medical supplies to the rest of the world.  Am I basically tracking that right?

 

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1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

So a novel virus emerges out of China, they put out data saying they have it under control (we all know the data is bullshit), gear up new factories to make PPE, and sell faulty medical supplies to the rest of the world.  Am I basically tracking that right?

 

Adjusted it for accuracy.  Now you're tracking it right.

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38 minutes ago, brakeman said:

siap

no cloak room.

fuck the president sent ppe to china in february.

holy fuck.

17.8 tons (more than 35,000 pounds) of

masks, gowns, gauze, respirators, and other vital materials.

As far as I can tell I’ve never quoted of or responded to anyone about this article.  Am I missing something.  Why are you quoting me and attaching this article?  My post on 3/27/2020 @8:45 pm I was responding to blacklab about HPD no longer giving DUIs.  Nothing to do with this article.  

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32 minutes ago, brakeman said:

siap

no cloak room.

fuck the president sent ppe to china in february.

holy fuck.

17.8 tons (more than 35,000 pounds) of

masks, gowns, gauze, respirators, and other vital materials.

Yeah, this and the faulty shit coming out of China really makes me angry.  We need to make this shit here.  No reason not to, as this well proves.  

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On 3/28/2020 at 8:13 AM, SydneyCarton said:

He’s a fucking pilot. Also, it is You’re and misinformed is one word. Miss Informed is probably a character in a teacher/student porn. And we won’t start on your run on sentence. So maybe stop lecturing other folks when you obviously can’t remember context or their professions. 
 

by the way, in case you’re curious, RayDog lives in the Philippines and TexasHammer is currently in Italy. ChiTownDoc is, wait for it, a doctor. In Chicago. 

And they shut down the Houston Rodeo.

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15 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

Yeah, this and the faulty shit coming out of China really makes me angry.  We need to make this shit here.  No reason not to, as this well proves.  

There are going to be a lot of valuable Lessons-Learned here.  I'm not a doctor and won't speak toward the medicine, rather I'm speaking especially and specifically around the gaps in our national defense processes and supply chains.  Things we weren't properly accounting for, including the sourcing of our medications, PPE, and food.

I've been thinking we're actually lucky in some ways.  This virus is abnormally infectious but doesn't appear to be abnormally lethal.  If it were both we'd be in earth-killing territory.  But as it is, it is allowing us to prepare, to find the gaps in our defenses and, if we're smart, apply lessons-learned and best practices before the NEXT one hits, the REALLY big one.  

This is an alpha test for us, a pressure test of our emergency response mechanisms.  So far, globally, we're not doing a great job. But we can do better.  Much, much better.

 

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I was wearing a mask for awhile but it freaked out A LOT of people. I'm talking about people coming up to me at grocery stores telling me to get the fuck out.
That's bizarre. A lot of people out wearing both gloves and masks now. Even driving around in their cars.
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7 minutes ago, Murfdogg21 said:

Re: Double blind, controlled studies

What stupid fuck would suggest that a placebo effect resulted in the reduction of viral load? And if it did, they should start placebo‘ing the fuck outta everyone. 

 

Natural course of the illness will result in a reduction in viral load over time for the vast majority of people infected.  Treatment or placebo.  

And I don't think that blinding is particularly useful in this case, randomization is more important imo. 

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39 minutes ago, stork642 said:

As far as I can tell I’ve never quoted of or responded to anyone about this article.  Am I missing something.  Why are you quoting me and attaching this article?  My post on 3/27/2020 @8:45 pm I was responding to blacklab about HPD no longer giving DUIs.  Nothing to do with this article.  

sorry, im bad at shaggy, sometimes. plus, i have always liked your avatar. Better?

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human-killing territory, planet will be  much much better when we are all gone.

Eh, I don't think the snails are going to do any better than we did, during their go-round, but you can certainly choose to be overly optimistic on their behalf if you like.  None of the rest of us will be around to stop you... 

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17 minutes ago, Okie State said:
3 hours ago, HRSchenker said:
I was wearing a mask for awhile but it freaked out A LOT of people. I'm talking about people coming up to me at grocery stores telling me to get the fuck out.

That's bizarre. A lot of people out wearing both gloves and masks now. Even driving around in their cars.

 its time to act like you have the virus and you don't want to infect the others in your community. 

if you don't have a ppe, get yourself a bandana, turtleneck sweater stuffed with tp if you got some.

 

 

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