Formerly DT: COVID-19 - Featuring Lots of Politics, now CR because political talk not going away

[Pam Cummings 9641]

11 hours ago, stork642 said:

That fatality rate will go way down once the total number of infected is realized.  

You got any proof of that, or are you just talking out of your ass? Someone could just as easily say oh, a lot of covid deaths aren't being counted as covid deaths, so the rate is actually higher.

[Anastasis 23469]

Also in that chart, Russia making a strong move from the back as we round the 2nd turn. 

[NorthLoop 14195]

1 minute ago, Pam Cummings said:

You got any proof of that, or are you just talking out of your ass? Someone could just as easily say oh, a lot of covid deaths aren't being counted as covid deaths, so the rate is actually higher.

I think NY actually just did that. 

[Pam Cummings 9641]

9 hours ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Tucker had a pretty good segment tonight about what the fatality rate might actually be with examples. Also talks to a Stanford dr who’s conducting the MLB test who too believes the death rate is incredibly low

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously? Politics, asshat.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 minute ago, Pam Cummings said:

You got any proof of that, or are you just talking out of your ass? Someone could just as easily say oh, a lot of covid deaths aren't being counted as covid deaths, so the rate is actually higher.

Yeah it's the other way around probably. Testing is lagging behind actual infection rates. The death rate will go down as the infection rate goes up.  A lot of non Covid deaths are most assuredly being reported as Covid deaths.

[gecko 1104]

3 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Also in that chart, Russia making a strong move from the back as we round the 2nd turn. 

China has got this

[Pam Cummings 9641]

1 minute ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Yeah it's the other way around probably. Testing is lagging behind actual infection rates. The death rate will go down as the infection rate goes up.  A lot of non Covid deaths are most assuredly being reported as Covid deaths.

Speaking of completely talking out of your ass.....

 

"Most assuredly", is that like "strenuously objecting"?

Edited April 15, 2020 by Pam Cummings

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

2 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Seriously? Politics, asshat.

How is an interview with a doctor at Stanford politics ?  I watched the interview, and politics didn't seem to be part of anything the doctor talked about.  But hey I could be wrong,  please  point out the politicy parts.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

Just now, Pam Cummings said:

Speaking of completely talking out of your ass.....

 

 

When responding to you that's the most appropriate place to speak from.

[MissingInAction 25049]

13 hours ago, SHOOTER12 said:

Dang, I was hoping I would get mine today...hey MIA, float me a loan bro.

Too late.. the hookers and blow already ran through it.

[Liquor and Poker 3659]

Other than China's fake numbers, Japan's suppressed numbers and SK's "success" numbers, are there any solid numbers from any of the states in that area we can use for guidance?  Places who conceivably are a month or more ahead of us?  Or is Italy/Spain still our most forward-looking, relatively honest dataset?

[InkaUtexas 25912]

Just now, MissingInAction said:

Too late.. the hookers and blow already ran through it.

proper answer during a pandemic. 

[Pam Cummings 9641]

We should be running WHO, not withdrawing. 

[Pam Cummings 9641]

16 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Yeah it's the other way around probably. Testing is lagging behind actual infection rates. The death rate will go down as the infection rate goes up.  A lot of non Covid deaths are most assuredly being reported as Covid deaths.

Not interested in whatever spin job Tucker is attempting to sell.

[SydneyCarton 48081]

Just now, Pam Cummings said:

We should be running WHO, not withdrawing. 

Whoa Pam. For someone who went apeshit just now for someone posting an interview with a Stanford disease specialist, just because it aired on Fox News, this seems like a historically quick return to you posting fucking politics. Get your ass back to the fucking cloak room since you can’t fucking help yourself. 

[SydneyCarton 48081]

1 minute ago, Pam Cummings said:

Not interested in whatever spin job Tucker is attempting to sell.

For someone who hates Trump and Trump people, you sure as fuck act just like many of them. “Not watching, Fake News! But after not watching I’ll shit all over it.” At least have the courage of your convictions to read the book before you burn it you cloak room troll. GTFO. 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

Seriously? Politics, asshat.

I can’t even help but laugh at the unnecessary name calling. I don’t think I’ve ever said a word to you in 12+ years on these boards and your 5’7” tucked in polo shirt wearing, half balding, big nose having, giant Adam’s apple ass comes hard at me in the paint like that.

 

I have no idea if it’s true, it’s just how I imagine you look like

[Brisketexan 105100]

So, let's see if I've got the likely paths correct:

1 -- plenty of people have died.  And plenty more will, because our strategy right now is just to flatten the curve/infection rate -- not stop it.  Within the next year, a shitload of people will be infected.  And plenty of them will die.  That's just the way it's gonna be.

2 -- because we don't have any real solution right now (reliable treatment or a vaccine), even though we may relax some of the current restrictions, many of them will remain fully or partially in place.  Don't expect large gatherings (sporting events, concerts, large university lecture classes) to happen anytime soon -- like not until 2021.

3 -- the current global economic forecast is for the greatest economic punch since the Great Depression.  Practically speaking, we know that the restaurant, entertainment, and travel industries are going to be just hammered.  The forecast is optimistic for growth in 2021, so there's that -- but I think that's because when you've starved for a year, it's easy to gain weight, so to speak.

Summary: this virus will still spread, and still kill, and eventually, it will get the folks it is gonna get.  The global economy is going to be shattered.  The ripples from both are going to take away some of the most basic things that we've taken for granted: going to a FB game on Saturday, attending college, eating at a local restaurant, taking a trip.  Things will be bad -- very bad -- until we develop a reliable treatment or a vaccine.  That's really it.

Am I wrong on any of this summary?  Please tell me I am.  Because....fuck.

[Pam Cummings 9641]

3 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Whoa Pam. For someone who went apeshit just now for someone posting an interview with a Stanford disease specialist, just because it aired on Fox News, this seems like a historically quick return to you posting fucking politics. Get your ass back to the fucking cloak room since you can’t fucking help yourself. 

You should curse more, it will help you sound like you really mean it!

Edited April 15, 2020 by Pam Cummings

[Pam Cummings 9641]

2 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

For someone who hates Trump and Trump people, you sure as fuck act just like many of them. “Not watching, Fake News! But after not watching I’ll shit all over it.” At least have the courage of your convictions to read the book before you burn it you cloak room troll. GTFO. 

Let me guess, they speculated on the virus being more widespread than we originally thought, so it must be less deadly and totally not as big a deal as we thought. Right?

[Pam Cummings 9641]

2 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

I can’t even help but laugh at the unnecessary name calling. I don’t think I’ve ever said a word to you in 12+ years on these boards and your tucked in polo shirt wearing, half balding, big nose having, giant Adam’s apple ass comes hard at me in the paint like that.

I have no idea if it’s true, it’s just how I imagine you look like

I'm a simple man. I see Tucker Carlson, i neg.

[StruggleBus 3922]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

So, let's see if I've got the likely paths correct:

1 -- plenty of people have died.  And plenty more will, because our strategy right now is just to flatten the curve/infection rate -- not stop it.  Within the next year, a shitload of people will be infected.  And plenty of them will die.  That's just the way it's gonna be.

2 -- because we don't have any real solution right now (reliable treatment or a vaccine), even though we may relax some of the current restrictions, many of them will remain fully or partially in place.  Don't expect large gatherings (sporting events, concerts, large university lecture classes) to happen anytime soon -- like not until 2021.

3 -- the current global economic forecast is for the greatest economic punch since the Great Depression.  Practically speaking, we know that the restaurant, entertainment, and travel industries are going to be just hammered.  The forecast is optimistic for growth in 2021, so there's that -- but I think that's because when you've starved for a year, it's easy to gain weight, so to speak.

Summary: this virus will still spread, and still kill, and eventually, it will get the folks it is gonna get.  The global economy is going to be shattered.  The ripples from both are going to take away some of the most basic things that we've taken for granted: going to a FB game on Saturday, attending college, eating at a local restaurant, taking a trip.  Things will be bad -- very bad -- until we develop a reliable treatment or a vaccine.  That's really it.

Am I wrong on any of this summary?  Please tell me I am.  Because....fuck.

You’re correct. I’ll shorten for you: Lots if people will die and we won’t return to normal life until it burns through the population or there’s a vaccine. 

[Brisketexan 105100]

1 minute ago, StruggleBus said:

You’re correct. I’ll shorten for you: Lots if people will die and we won’t return to normal life until it burns through the population or there’s a vaccine. 

Thanks.

I mean, fuck you running, but thanks.

[stork642 4498]

28 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Speaking of completely talking out of your ass.....

 

"Most assuredly", is that like "strenuously objecting"?

For someone who is constantly talking out their own ass you don’t hesitate to accuse that chicanery on other posters.  If their views don’t align with yours they are ass talkers?  I bet there is another thread where you will find more likeminded friends. Starts with a C and ends with an R.  It’s full of ass talkers.  

Edited April 15, 2020 by stork642

[workswithseed 2103]

2 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

I'm a simple man. I see Tucker Carlson, i neg.

What if you see Rachael Maddow? Is that cr?

[SydneyCarton 48081]

4 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

I'm a simple man. I see Tucker Carlson, i neg.

And that’s the problem. I don’t understand why it’s hard, why don’t you just go post in the CR thread? Go be stroked off by your own kind, who will hail you as a hero. 

[workswithseed 2103]

1 minute ago, BurntEyes said:

Fixed.

Wrong "for the olds."

[dcar00 14181]

17 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

We should be running WHO, not withdrawing. 

not sure if you realize this but the whole point of organizations like the UN and WHO is limit the US influence and have us cut checks.  These orgs are like the trust fund kids everyone rails about.

Edit: its bullshit we even give money to these criminals and clowns.  that money could go to improve the standard of living for people in the US.  someone shouldtotal up the amount of money we've given just these 2 organizations with zero benefit to the US.   fuck them and their bullshit.

Edited April 15, 2020 by dcar00

[Pam Cummings 9641]

2 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

What if you see Rachael Maddow? Is that cr?

I was actually about to make the point that Maddow would be downvoted as political, and rightfully so.

[The Dog 44023]

Society recovered from the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic rather quickly.

What's keeping the same from occurring today? 

[Pam Cummings 9641]

2 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

And that’s the problem. I don’t understand why it’s hard, why don’t you just go post in the CR thread? Go be stroked off by your own kind, who will hail you as a hero. 

And i don't underatand why it's so hard for YOU to understand that Fox News is political.

[Skipper 6135]

5 minutes ago, StruggleBus said:

You’re correct. I’ll shorten for you: Lots if people will die and we won’t return to normal life until it burns through the population or there’s a vaccine. 

Or there a successful therapeutic is found or developed that materially drives down CFR in severe cases.  That's still a possibility.  To me it seems plausible (if not likely) we reach herd immunity or damn close to it prior to a vaccine.   I mean even if something cut the CFR and/or reduced ICU stays by 1/3 that would be massive and with so many people working on it it seems possible at least.  I'm staying optimistic on that front.

[Pam Cummings 9641]

4 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

not sure if you realize this but the whole point of organizations like the UN and WHO is limit the US influence and have us cut checks.  These orgs are like the trust fund kids everyone rails about.

Spoken like a true brainwashed idiot.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

And i don't underatand why it's so hard for YOU to understand that Fox News is political.

No. It isn’t. If a news article about antibody tests came from CNN.com would anybody actually care? Or are you just that big of a dork because you do care?

[Pam Cummings 9641]

Just now, MNLonghornFUKM said:

No. It isn’t. If a news article about antibody tests came from CNN.com would anybody actually care? Or are you just that big of a dork that you do care?

Tucker Carlson job title: political commentator

 

Thread title: no politics

 

Like how is there even an argument here? I'm sure the Stanford doctor's opinions and commentary can be found elsewhere.

[KYHorn 17046]

22 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

We should be running WHO, not withdrawing. 

WHOM*

[The Royal We 3072]

I don't really understand the teeth gnashing over the way NYC is counting deaths.  Even with the more liberal method of counting deaths that they adjusted to yesterday, it's still much more conservative than the way the CDC estimates seasonal flu and swine flu deaths.

The CDC will eventually do this with CV 19 as well and it will likely be much higher than what the new NYC method counts now.

Quote

Why doesn’t CDC base its seasonal flu mortality estimates only on death certificates that specifically list influenza?

Seasonal influenza may lead to death from other causes, such as pneumonia, congestive heart failure, or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease. It has been recognized for many years that influenza is underreported on death certificates. There may be several reasons for underreporting, including that patients aren’t always tested for seasonal influenza virus infection, particularly older adults who are at greatest risk of seasonal influenza complications and death. Even if a patient is tested for influenza, influenza virus infection may not be identified because the influenza virus is only detectable for a limited number of days  after infection and many people don’t seek medical care in this interval. Additionally, some deaths – particularly among those 65 years and older – are associated with secondary complications of influenza (including bacterial pneumonias). For these and other reasons, modeling strategies are commonly used to estimate flu-associated deaths. Only counting deaths where influenza was recorded on a death certificate would be a gross underestimation of influenza’s true impact.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/how-cdc-estimates.htm#Influenza-Associated-Deaths

[InkaUtexas 25912]

Social Distancing in India. Ummm... 

 

[dcar00 14181]

4 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Spoken like a true brainwashed idiot.

well done asshat cloak room troll.  you do have the honor of being the absolute dumbest poster on the entire surl. #1 with a bullet. and that is saying something because that means you are ahead of HS and that takes some serious work. 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

Social Distancing in India. Ummm... 
 

And they have 11,555 cases for 1.3 billion

[Mitch Cumsteen 18548]

For those of you tracking San Antonio... I've been impressed with the city's website.

https://cosagis.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/d2c7584fe9fd4da1b30cb9d6cc311163

https://www.sanantonio.gov/Health/News/Alerts/CoronaVirus

SA had been trucking along at about 50+/- new positive tests per day for the last 10 days or so, but reports 22 and 21 new positives over the past two days respectively. All of that taken with a grain of salt wrt testing, but I'll take any good news I can get these days. Hopefully it holds up.

Doing some quick math on the locals... ~78% of deaths are in people >60 years of age and only ~25% of all cases are in those >60 years of age. Also, like we've seen in other parts of the country, it is really disproportionately hitting the black community -- 12.7% of all cases, 30% of all deaths. Health disparities are real.

On a side/personal note, I turned 50 three months ago and I'd like to point out how arbitrary these ten year cutoffs are in all of these statistics. My survival odds were so much better three months ago, I suppose. For my own psychological health, they should totally go LSU Death Valley style and do this in 5 year increments. 

[Poe It Up 126]

I imagine those quarantined with Pam are wishing for the sweet embrace of Corona death. What a whiny cunt. 

[Brisketexan 105100]

8 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Society recovered from the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic rather quickly.

What's keeping the same from occurring today? 

Total income of everyone in the US in 1918 was around $40 billion.  Inflation adjusted, that's a total annual income of $683 billion.  Today, aggregate income is $17 trillion.  So, our economy is (by that measure), 25X the size it was in 1918.  It's a lot more complex -- and the bigger they are, the harder they fall.

[gmr548 16576]

Society recovered from the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic rather quickly.
What's keeping the same from occurring today? 

That's a broad generalization and not necessarialy correct. Recovery was disparate between areas. We've only been taking coronavirus seriously for about a month. The Spanish Flu was around for over a year, though seasonal. Also it burned through the population relatively quickly, leaving millions dead. So, you know, trying to avoid that outcome has something to do with it.

[SydneyCarton 48081]

12 minutes ago, The Dog said:

Society recovered from the 1918 Spanish flu pandemic rather quickly.

What's keeping the same from occurring today? 

An unwillingness and an ability to lessens deaths, I guess. Not being shitty. But we’re not going to let it burn through everything. 

[Hate 20108]

I imagine those quarantined with Pam are wishing for the sweet embrace of Corona death. What a whiny cunt. 

I think Pam must be a Brad sock.

[SydneyCarton 48081]

You know, Pam is close enough to crowd sourcing levels. I’m pretty sure Imamac would ban her for basically waking up to drop her fat steaming hogger of a morning turd on this thread unprompted, but we could probably all save him the time. 

Edited April 15, 2020 by SydneyCarton

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

42 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

Not interested in whatever spin job Tucker is attempting to sell.

He didn't spin anything that I could discern (which is unusual for him I guess, I don't watch his show).  He let the doctor/researcher from Stanford University present  their findings.  

Sorry if it bursts your whole, the sky is falling scenario. You must be in the Brisket WCC ( that's the World Calamity Camp).

 

EDIT: Thanks Pato

Edited April 15, 2020 by Onboard 2.0

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

48 minutes ago, MissingInAction said:

Too late.. the hookers and blow already ran through it.

God I admire you....  : )

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

37 minutes ago, SydneyCarton said:

Whoa Pam. For someone who went apeshit just now for someone posting an interview with a Stanford disease specialist, just because it aired on Fox News, this seems like a historically quick return to you posting fucking politics. Get your ass back to the fucking cloak room since you can’t fucking help yourself. 

Pam's just a dick.

 

7 minutes ago, Hate said:

I think Pam must be a Brad sock.

Pam's just a dick.