Formerly DT: COVID-19 - Featuring Lots of Politics, now CR because political talk not going away

[Macanudo 12,999]

3 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

These people are morons but the photo angles make the people and vehicles appear closer than they are. In the second photo, middle left, the white F150 and white explorer are at least 40-50 feet apart.

regardless people seem to trust their friends and family to not have covid 19 when their beach behavior indicates they’re generally bad at social distancing. Worst people you can be around.

East End Park here in Kingwood butts up against an inlet of Lake Houston.    Yesterday,  I watched a group of at least 25-30 people with their boats and jet skis on the far shore greet another arriving group of 10-12 with handshakes and bro-hugs.  So while the pictures do distort how close "everybody" is together there big groups congregating now.  Bigger than there should be. 

Channel 13 had video of the traffic on the Seawall in Galveston.  Bumper to bumper for a very long stretch.   Yes, the people were in their cars.  But I have no desire to be anywhere near hundreds or thousands of strangers right now. 

[Foosters 17,858]

Internal projections by CDC showing US reaching 3,000 deaths a day by June 1. That seems bad.

[Macanudo 12,999]

1 minute ago, Hate said:

So in other words, it will kill a bunch of people that half of this board would prefer die anyway? So, why do y’all care?

I said nothing of sort.  But stupid is as stupid does.  My kids will be exposed to these idiots when school starts back up.  Any way we have to lessen the blow of this is still important. 

And I'm sorry but Grandma Karen and Grandpa Chad missing out on a cruise with their fat grand kids isn't really that much to ask.

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Just now, Foosters said:

Internal projections by CDC showing US reaching 3,000 deaths a day by June 1. That seems bad.

He must be really worried about ticket renewals.

[Royalfan5 2,354]

For your AM Livestock update. Fresh beef prices blew up out the weekend with choice blowing past $400, and we get getting close to doubling values in 4 weeks, with select up higher as well. Fresh pork was a little lower, but that report is a little more noisy so we will see if it stays lower the PM. Lots of talk about how the packing plants being mostly asymptomatic despite the high testing numbers, but we will see if they can reflect that in increased run rates today, and this week. 

[Fondren & Main 6,726]

6 minutes ago, BevoSwag said:

Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that of the 37,000 who died in the U.S. with Covid-19 between Feb. 1 and April 25, 31% were over 85. But 40%, or 14,600 people, were between 45 and 75 years old, and could have expected to live many more years. Total deaths linked to the virus in the U.S. passed 64,000 on Friday.

Most of the responses to the article stated this was BS

I understand actuarial science, in general, but I am skeptical of a metric that says someone 50-59 with severe health problems will live an average of 21+ year more--which is only 6 years less than an average person. This is a characterization of "severe" that is unfamiliar to me.

Now, let’s factor in how many were obese.  

[Bigbend1812 12,927]

2 minutes ago, Fondren & Main said:

Now, let’s factor in how many were obese.  

[Buzzrock 14,935]

I'll go. I expect a more low risk group of cruisers for awhile, and to be honest am still more concerned with getting norovirus on a cruise than coronavirus.
I just a likely to get it around here as I am on a tropical island/cruise. Plus August is still months away.. can always delay as time gets near as I don't expect cruise lines to take away your cancel anytime ability for awhile.

You know how I know you’ve never been on a Carnival cruise?

I went in 2002 for a cheap honeymoon. They do not have what you’d call a discerning clientele.

[Loco 3,753]

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

I’m sorry for the employees and how this has negatively affected them

but fuck the cruise industry. They all avoid taxes by being based out of Angola or some shit. They can rot 

This right here!   They fucked over their crews too, cutting their communications and trapping them on the ships to avoid repatriation expense.

And on Aug 1st the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet will be boarding those ships.   

[Buzzrock 14,935]

What scares me as well is the economic impact to destination sites.  These cruises infuse billions into local markets.  That dries up, so too do their economies.  What happens to Jamaica?  Belize?  Etc.  They'll crater without outside tourism dollars.  

I’ve been paying attention to Isla Mujeres, our favorite Mexico spot. They are getting crushed.

[Macanudo 12,999]

Carnival Cruises are the equivalent of a boat full who have probably been on the People of Walmart website.  And more than once.

[Wulaw Horn 19,136]

5 minutes ago, Royalfan5 said:

For your AM Livestock update. Fresh beef prices blew up out the weekend with choice blowing past $400, and we get getting close to doubling values in 4 weeks, with select up higher as well. Fresh pork was a little lower, but that report is a little more noisy so we will see if it stays lower the PM. Lots of talk about how the packing plants being mostly asymptomatic despite the high testing numbers, but we will see if they can reflect that in increased run rates today, and this week. 

So, how long until (if? when?) pricing goes back to normal in the beef/pork markets when the slaughterhouses go back to normal?  Does this stabalize in a hurry?  Or are we 6 months or a year or longer away from getting back to a normalish equalibrium?

[Buzzrock 14,935]

Huge drop.  Every model has been revising down since the inception.  Reconciled with much more expansive testing, the mortality rates are plummeting.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cdc-death-figures/

[Buzzrock 14,935]

We've got lots of old destroyers in dry dock.  We should start a cruise line.  
1) Reformat destroyers into part luxury, par warship
2) Sail the high seas and get folks drunk on rotgut rum, fat on chow
3) Offer the 'pirate's experience' to wannabe hero cops
4)????
5) Profit  

I would go on that cruise.

[Cheeseweasel 26,438]

1 minute ago, Macanudo said:

Carnival Cruises are the equivalent of a boat full who have probably been on the People of Walmart website.  And more than once.

I see that we have entered into the "fuck certain people/industries I don't like" portion of the Wuhan Flu.

[Captainant 27,686]

11 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Internal projections by CDC showing US reaching 3,000 deaths a day by June 1. That seems bad.

I thought the warm weather was supposed to stop COVID though? Someone should tell Abbot so he can stop trying to put my parents health at risk by reopening too early.

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30 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

The internet is still undefeated....

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Harris County Judge✔@HarrisCoJudge

See a restaurant at full capacity? Businesses open that shouldn’t be? Help us save lives. If you see violations of Governor Abbott’s order, please report them at:

 

C'mon, dude.  Let's go easy on Lockdown LoLina.  On the job training ain't perfect, it's tough going straight from student to boss.

 

[Macanudo 12,999]

Just now, Cheeseweasel said:

I see that we have entered into the "fuck certain people/industries I don't like" portion of the Wuhan Flu.

I'm embarrassed to say this but I have been on a Carnival boat.  I felt like I was in the shitty casino Eddie takes Clark to in Vegas Vacation. 

[Macanudo 12,999]

3 minutes ago, Buzzrock said:

 

I would go on that cruise.

I might too.  Let us fire the weapons and it could get real interesting.

[Buzzrock 14,935]

I see that we have entered into the "fuck certain people/industries I don't like" portion of the Wuhan Flu.

I’m not saying fuck em. But facts are facts.

[The Dog 44,071]

Been on a couple of Carnival cruises and they were both fun. Also RCCL and that was also fun. There are far worse cruise operators believe it or not. 

Getting sick is getting sick - doesn't matter if you are on a discount cruise or in the Hamptons with Chris Cuomo. 

[Macanudo 12,999]

3 minutes ago, Buzzrock said:

 

I would go on that cruise.

I might too.  Let us fire the weapons and it could get real interesting.

[HoffaJimmy 316]

7 minutes ago, BevoSwag said:

Data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that of the 37,000 who died in the U.S. with Covid-19 between Feb. 1 and April 25, 31% were over 85. But 40%, or 14,600 people, were between 45 and 75 years old, and could have expected to live many more years. Total deaths linked to the virus in the U.S. passed 64,000 on Friday.

Most of the responses to the article stated this was BS

I understand actuarial science, in general, but I am skeptical of a metric that says someone 50-59 with severe health problems will live an average of 21+ year more--which is only 6 years less than an average person. This is a characterization of "severe" that is unfamiliar to me.

 

Yeah most studies out there show 80%-90% (in some states 100%) of people dying had other underlying health conditions. I am not saying it should be an all clear but whenever things finally do clear up and studies are done I think it's really going to show that a overwhelming number of people that die had other health issues whether heart disease, hypertension, obesity, etc. Again not saying that is a reason to not worry about it but it will be interesting.  

[workswithseed 2,109]

20 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

Shitfucksonof a bitch.  Wrote a bunch and then it got deleted twice when I tried to edit the other post- which makes me suck at the internets even more.

I heard this on Everyone Gets a Trophy.  When I googled it the appearance is that this was something she was saying in the first part of April.  By mid April she was backing off of this- but still refusing to give any metric as to when the state would be ready to open.  Now, in early May, she extended out the Stay at home until July 6.

 

Yall gonna be the last folks back to work/back to normal.  I assume she's abiding by the will of her electorate, so if you don't like it you can deal with it or vote with your feet. 

Unfortunately she's not up for reelection, but they Mayor of Portland is. I don't see anything coming from that it though since Portland.

[dcar00 14,316]

1 minute ago, Buzzrock said:

 

 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cdc-death-figures/

 

 

yeah that 37K is confirmed with death certificates and lags.  Its funny to me though that they quote the 65.7K number without also commenting that there are about 6-7K maybes in that number.

the 37K even allows for maybes.

[Wulaw Horn 19,136]

1 minute ago, Macanudo said:

Carnival Cruises are the equivalent of a boat full who have probably been on the People of Walmart website.  And more than once.

I love going on Carnival cruises. Might I like a different cruise line better?  Maybe, but probably not, Carnival is good enough for me for what I'm looking for.

The last time we went on one I have a story that I will laugh about until the day I die.  I was waiting with my 9 year old for brunch and this lady that's 400 pounds shows up on her rascal.  The hostess asks her- would you prefer a booth or a table.  She looks at the hostess from her rascal and says, completely deadpan, do I look like a booth kind of gal to you, missy?  It killed me. Absolutely loved it.  

When I go on a cruise it's to decompress, sleep a lot, read a fair bit, get away from the stress and drink girl drinks by the pool (Miami Vice- 1/2 daquiri 1/2 pina coloda all colorful- holla). We typically don't even get off at the port cities, we just enjoy the relative solitude on the boat.  It's an easy button for us, and we can go for 5 days for about $1200 all in and have sex 5 or 6 times, not be bothered by kids (we took the kids on the last one and although they were a bit of a bother it was much less so than any other type of vacation and probably actually fun), and catch up on rest.  That's a win for that price.  When we go on a staycation in Houston we typically end up dropping $500 for 48 hours, so the cruise is better than that, imo.

 

[Royalfan5 2,354]

8 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

So, how long until (if? when?) pricing goes back to normal in the beef/pork markets when the slaughterhouses go back to normal?  Does this stabalize in a hurry?  Or are we 6 months or a year or longer away from getting back to a normalish equalibrium?

Once we get packers back close to capacity it should back off pretty good. The biggest issue right now is the packer workforce has 0 trust in their employers for the most part, and rebuilding that is going to be a major issue, because you can't replace them with people who know what they are doing in choke points very easily. 

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12,301]

7 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

I love going on Carnival cruises. Might I like a different cruise line better?  Maybe, but probably not, Carnival is good enough for me for what I'm looking for.

The last time we went on one I have a story that I will laugh about until the day I die.  I was waiting with my 9 year old for brunch and this lady that's 400 pounds shows up on her rascal.  The hostess asks her- would you prefer a booth or a table.  She looks at the hostess from her rascal and says, completely deadpan, do I look like a booth kind of gal to you, missy?  It killed me. Absolutely loved it.  

When I go on a cruise it's to decompress, sleep a lot, read a fair bit, get away from the stress and drink girl drinks by the pool (Miami Vice- 1/2 daquiri 1/2 pina coloda all colorful- holla). We typically don't even get off at the port cities, we just enjoy the relative solitude on the boat.  It's an easy button for us, and we can go for 5 days for about $1200 all in and have sex 5 or 6 times, not be bothered by kids (we took the kids on the last one and although they were a bit of a bother it was much less so than any other type of vacation and probably actually fun), and catch up on rest.  That's a win for that price.  When we go on a staycation in Houston we typically end up dropping $500 for 48 hours, so the cruise is better than that, imo.

 

wut. wut.

[GreenspointTexas 9,662]

9 minutes ago, HoffaJimmy said:

 

Yeah most studies out there show 80%-90% (in some states 100%) of people dying had other underlying health conditions. I am not saying it should be an all clear but whenever things finally do clear up and studies are done I think it's really going to show that a overwhelming number of people that die had other health issues whether heart disease, hypertension, obesity, etc. Again not saying that is a reason to not worry about it but it will be interesting.  

80-90% of americans have “underlying health conditions” tho

[Captainant 27,686]

NYT is reporting that the new projections from the feds are as high as 3000 deaths/day in June. Hopefully that's just another upper-bound worst-case projection and we end up significantly below. But shit, even if we just hold steady at 1000 deaths/day through June we're upwards of 100k total deaths. In only six months. 

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12,301]

i have full faith in our ability to manage the health and economic side of this re-opening of America.

we're nails, imo.

[Newdoc 3,448]

32 minutes ago, BevoSwag said:

But 40%, or 14,600 people, were between 45 and 75 years old, and could have expected to live many more years.

Laughable, the article uses a 30 year span for that data set. A 45 yo and a 75 yo are so frickin far apart in physiological function when it comes to immunity and reserve capacity in illness. At least as long as the 45 yo isn’t an obese diabetic with heart disease and cancer while the 75 yo participates in triathlons. 

[Armybrat 40,855]

11 minutes ago, GreenspointTexas said:

80-90% of americans have “underlying health conditions” tho

If you are over 65 and do not have at least one “underlying condition”, then you are in the small minority. That is a fact most anywhere in the western world.

[Armybrat 40,855]

7 minutes ago, Newdoc said:

Laughable, the article uses a 30 year span for that data set. A 45 yo and a 75 yo are so frickin far apart in physiological function when it comes to immunity and reserve capacity in illness. At least as long as the 45 yo isn’t an obese diabetic with heart disease and cancer while the 75 yo participates in triathlons. 

Yeah, that age span designation is actually funny.

[NeverMarryAStripper 21,912]

26 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

I see that we have entered into the "fuck certain people/industries I don't like" portion of the Wuhan Flu.

This is Surly, that doesn't have anything to do with the virus. 

I had a nightmare last night where the pandemic was over and I finally got to take a vacation.  I boarded the flight only to discover that I was in a middle seat between someone wearing flip flops and someone chewing.

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13,119]

32 minutes ago, Loco said:

And on Aug 1st the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet will be boarding those ships.

I’m guessing you’ve already purchased your ticket?

[Onboard 2.0 9,083]

1 minute ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

This is Surly, that doesn't have anything to do with the virus. 

I had a nightmare last night where the pandemic was over and I finally got to take a vacation.  I boarded the flight only to discover that I was in a middle seat between someone wearing flip flops and someone chewing.

The long reach of Surly is everywhere.

[bigup2dahorns 3,343]

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13,119]

30 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Someone should tell Abbot so he can stop trying to put my parents health at risk by reopening too early.

I just hope you’re not considered their greatest accomplishment. Otherwise, they definitely will be gone too soon.

[Enchubben 5,510]

32 minutes ago, Macanudo said:

I'm embarrassed to say this but I have been on a Carnival boat.  I felt like I was in the shitty casino Eddie takes Clark to in Vegas Vacation. 

 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8,817]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/03/french-politicians-row-lockdown-restrictions-can-eased/

French doctor claims Coronavirus was in France in December

[Sgt Hulk 13,812]

24 minutes ago, Captainant said:

NYT is reporting that the new projections from the feds are as high as 3000 deaths/day in June. Hopefully that's just another upper-bound worst-case projection and we end up significantly below. But shit, even if we just hold steady at 1000 deaths/day through June we're upwards of 100k total deaths. In only six months. 

so youre saying we could be italy in 2 weeks

[Wulaw Horn 19,136]

24 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

wut. wut.

I'm a simple man.  When I go on vacation all I really want to do is make sure I bang my wife (and talk to her and hang out with her- I do like her afterall) and not be hassled by my kids. If I can mix in a good buzz for some of that time all the better.  As such I can enjoy Houston staycations. The Omni has a deal, almost every weekend, with a room for about $89. They have a fairly nice pool.  So typical staycation is a couple nights at the omni- 1 night with a decent dinner downtown (friday night) and a little bit of booze- saturday lay around at the pool with booze (usually bring some with us for the room and buy whatever we want at the pool), and then brunch Sunday and return home.   

[Wulaw Horn 19,136]

27 minutes ago, Captainant said:

NYT is reporting that the new projections from the feds are as high as 3000 deaths/day in June. Hopefully that's just another upper-bound worst-case projection and we end up significantly below. But shit, even if we just hold steady at 1000 deaths/day through June we're upwards of 100k total deaths. In only six months. 

I mean, yeah, and?  This thing was going to kill 2,000,000 once upon a time. Be really happy and feel like we dodged a bullet if it ends up at 200,000 by the end of the year. That sucks, but it's way better than it looked at one point in time. 

[smoothlonghorn 83]

52 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Internal projections by CDC showing US reaching 3,000 deaths a day by June 1. That seems bad.

 

51 minutes ago, clapclapclap said:

He must be really worried about ticket renewals.

Liked and quoted because it got stuck at the bottom of the last page. I would say username and whatnot, but you didn't say "scared to death"....

[Wulaw Horn 19,136]

4 minutes ago, smoothlonghorn said:

 

Liked and quoted because it got stuck at the bottom of the last page. I would say username and whatnot, but you didn't say "scared to death"....

IT was funny enough to say twice my man (I got popped earlier today with the dreaded double post for the first time ever). I think shit's borked. Shit- it's showing up 3 times but I think that's only on my computer- I have no idea what's going on nor how to internet today seemingly. I'm a stupid.

Edited May 4, 2020 by Wulaw Horn

[Anastasis 23,480]

15 minutes ago, bigup2dahorns said:

 

No love for Austin?

[MNLonghornFUKM 8,817]

NYT is reporting that the new projections from the feds are as high as 3000 deaths/day in June. Hopefully that's just another upper-bound worst-case projection and we end up significantly below. But shit, even if we just hold steady at 1000 deaths/day through June we're upwards of 100k total deaths. In only six months. 

Heh, that 200,000 a day number has been happening since March

[gmr548 16,589]

I love going on Carnival cruises.

(Miami Vice- 1/2 daquiri 1/2 pina coloda all colorful- holla).

Okay, I really wouldn't admit that publicly.

[Hate 20,128]

I thought the warm weather was supposed to stop COVID though? Someone should tell Abbot so he can stop trying to put my parents health at risk by reopening too early.

Stop taking your parents to the mall or crowded beaches/parks.