Formerly DT: COVID-19 - Featuring Lots of Politics, now CR because political talk not going away

[Brisketexan 104628]

26 minutes ago, El Diablo said:

Our county medical society met yesterday for their monthly social, it was virtual though. Tracing was the biggest topic, second on the list was testing. These are the things they see as necessary to reopening.

Nope.  We can't do either.  We have to limit testing because more testing means "bad numbers," and we can't have those.  And not tracing at all, because MAH FREEDOMS.  So, those are right out.

We're going to stick with the Great American Plan For Any Bad Event, thank you very much:

[pearlandhorn 3269]

2 minutes ago, XYZ said:

Spain has been able to reduce the number of daily new cases by about 73% from their peak. Italy by 84%. Switzerland by 90+%. USA roughly by 30% (assuming the numbers from the past couple of days hold). Do those other countries have more restrictions in place, or are the people following the restrictions more carefully than in the USA?

Of course they’re following the restrictions in other countries. Americans hate being told what to do by the government. It’s the American way.

[Trey3216 15325]

32 minutes ago, Hate said:

 

Wait, is that story suggesting that drinking daily from 4 or 5 pm until you go to sleep is bad???

 

What about starting at noon?  

[NeverMarryAStripper 21781]

So first it was a bat virus and now it's a rat virus.  I'm thinking we should just go ahead and kill all the cats now.

[Dahobbs 17447]

7 minutes ago, XYZ said:

Spain has been able to reduce the number of daily new cases by about 73% from their peak. Italy by 84%. Switzerland by 90+%. USA roughly by 30% (assuming the numbers from the past couple of days hold). Do those other countries have more restrictions in place, or are the people following the restrictions more carefully than in the USA?

Yes.

[BradInATX 9208]

It's amazing how many people are more concerned about the well-being alcoholics and drug users than they are old people, given that being old isn't a choice and using drugs and alcohol is.

I guess there are very few of us left who believe in personal responsibility.

Edited May 12, 2020 by BradInATX

[Guest Lobo]

If you had, on your pandemic bingo card, Bernie Sanders' Red Hot Chili Peppers playbill behind his head during official committee hearings...you are today's big winner.  

[GringoSalado 1651]

39 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Yes I think looking at options to open vs playing politics is important.  Every area is different but we are not seeing enough real analysis.  Also where’s the tracing?  Easier to open with tracing. The feds threw all this to states who are ill equipped to do any of this.  If that’s politics then ban me, bro.  

Yeah I was told there would be flying cars a Google covid tracker by now.

[XYZ 2154]

6 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

It's amazing how many people are more concerned about the well-being alcoholics and drug users than they are old people, given that being old isn't a choice and using drugs and alcohol is.

I guess there are very few of us left who believe in personal responsibility.

So do you think that a drug addict can quit by will power?

[ChiTownDoc 21102]

9 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

It's amazing how many people are more concerned about the well-being alcoholics and drug users than they are old people, given that being old isn't a choice and using drugs and alcohol is.

I guess there are very few of us left who believe in personal responsibility.

I don’t know.  LOTS of drug abusers and alcoholics have severe mental illness.  Don’t fall into the trap of ‘oh all these people made terrible choices’.  Although it’s much easier to live life pigeonholing all those people as misfits...

[BradInATX 9208]

Perhaps the drug addicts should just pick themselves up by their bootstraps and get to work.

[XYZ 2154]

2 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

Perhaps the drug addicts should just pick themselves up by their bootstraps and get to work.

You were slorch on the previous site, right?

[Guest Lobo]

BradInATX:  

Whatever you're on dude, I want some.  Substance abuse also hits minorities harder than the White demographic.  And it's settled science that Covid-19 is hitting minority populations harder than the White demographic (more to do obviously with obesity, lack of good health care, education, etc.).  So what's your solution there?  If we're favoring substance abusers over old people, what is a group has all three issues (more substance abuse, higher risk to Covid-19, and aging under a worse health care system)?  Can't wait to hear your plan for those folks.  

Can't wait to see what cabinet position awaits you.

[DaysOff 7853]

Rand Paul looks like shit.

[BradInATX 9208]

Just now, XYZ said:

You were slorch on the previous site, right?

I was... BradinATX on the last site.

[BradInATX 9208]

I guess the hamhandedness of everything on this thread has dulled everyone's sense of subtlety. 

But since you asked, my plan as cabinet member would involve nothing but boostraps and lunch pails.

[Scary Stranger 1712]

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Edited May 12, 2020 by Scary Stranger
stuff and things

[DDD Dad 14252]

3 hours ago, Armybrat said:

Off to Oakwood Surgical Center for retina surgery this morning. 
PITA way to get a free mask.

It's not free.

[BradInATX 9208]

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Edited May 12, 2020 by BradInATX

[Scary Stranger 1712]

long time reader, short time poster (on Surly).  I'll withdraw the comment as to not muck up the thread.

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

27 minutes ago, pearlandhorn said:

Americans hate being told what to do by the government. It’s the American way.

[BradInATX 9208]

1 minute ago, Scary Stranger said:

long time reader, short time poster (on Surly).  I'll withdraw the comment as to not muck up the thread.

 

Same.

[Enchubben 5509]

[Judge Roybeanbag 11810]

17 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

I guess the hamhandedness of everything on this thread has dulled everyone's sense of subtlety. 

But since you asked, my plan as cabinet member would involve nothing but boostraps and lunch pails.

You forgot a pocket book of thoughts and prayers .

[JBJ 3649]

1 hour ago, Dahobbs said:

They aren't just counting Covid-19 diagnosis codes anywhere from the medical reporting, but specifically on the death certificate. The fact that more than one contributing factor is listed on the death certificate isn't unusual. And it doesn't seem critically important to me either. The medical professionals involved believed that the Covid-19 was a sufficient enough contributing cause to be listed on the death certificate. 

I don't disagree with anything you posted.  I already said this was the correct thing to do at this point in time.

I only wanted to point out that the death count in 5 years when the scientists start doing attribution studies is primed to go down.  Deaths normally do go down for almost everything, from lung cancer to drug overdose.

To some extent this is a problem baked-in and not specific to covid.  Because being listed on the death certified as a cause and actually being the thing that kills you are different things and it takes a view wider than the than at the coroner-level and longer than a few months in to figure that out.

I made the mistake of posting a list of higher-level concepts in the middle of a spat over medicare scams.  It wasn't supposed to be related.

Edited May 12, 2020 by JBJ

[dcar00 14035]

49 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Nope.  We can't do either.  We have to limit testing because more testing means "bad numbers," and we can't have those.  And not tracing at all, because MAH FREEDOMS.  So, those are right out.

We're going to stick with the Great American Plan For Any Bad Event, thank you very much:

Its been a while....BALLGAME!

[Brisketexan 104628]

1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

Its been a while....BALLGAME!

I know that term has special residence in this thread, but man....I've always been more partial to

[dcar00 14035]

49 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

So first it was a bat virus and now it's a rat virus.  I'm thinking we should just go ahead and kill all the cats now.

look out for the hats after that, Dr Seuss.

[atomheartbevo 89449]

11 hours ago, gmr548 said:

14 hours ago, workswithseed said:

https://www.dailywire.com/news/people-in-hong-kong-are-becoming-ill-with-rat-hepatitis-for-first-time-ever-no-one-knows-how-its-happening?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro
 
"A new report this week outlined an increasing virus problem in Hong Kong, which is attached to mainland China, where rat hepatitis E is jumping from rats to humans for the first time in history, and no one seems to know how it’s happening.
The first case was reported in 2018 when infectious disease experts at the University of Hong Kong (HKU) examined a man who had just undergone a liver transplant and was having liver problems."

Read more  

So covid is just misdirection to distract us from hep from rats. There is a god and its sense of humor is a little twisted.

Wilford Brimley helped millions fight the ‘beetus, maybe he can help millions more fight the ‘titis.

[atomheartbevo 89449]

1 hour ago, Enchubben said:

It would not surprise me in the least if more people end up dying from Corona lockdown and restrictions than having the actual virus over the next year or two.  Gotta figure that alcohol and drug abuse are worse than ever, combined with depression and other mental illness from isolation is really going to take a toll.  Not to say the restrictions weren't necessary, but that this was always going to be a result attributable to the response.

Imagine if college football is partially or fully shutdown this fall.  Increasing spousal abuse will be another problem to add to the list.  

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Imagine if college football is partially or fully shutdown this fall.  Increasing spousal abuse will be another problem to add to the list.  

With the exception being Aggy. They'll claim another NC and be happy.

[atomheartbevo 89449]

1 hour ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Yes I think looking at options to open vs playing politics is important.  Every area is different but we are not seeing enough real analysis.  Also where’s the tracing?  Easier to open with tracing. The feds threw all this to states who are ill equipped to do any of this.  If that’s politics then ban me, bro.  

Tracing  was probably tossed to the states partly because it was political and an election year.  There is a segment that would fight it tooth-and-nail, just like they’ve been fighting the maskS and social distancing stuff.

But it’s also a helluva lot tougher to trace here, given how mobile and spread out our society is.  I’m not talking about mass transit like NYC (since there is mass transit in Europe and China). There are folks who will drive down a few miles to the convenience store for a pack of smokes.  There’s people who will spend all day shopping through a dozen or more stores.  

And there’s other issues.  Businesses fighting the release of information.   Here in Austin, we have hospital networks fighting the release of covid stats.  We have the city fighting the release of info about nursing homes.

Just imagine a situation like South Korea where they had an app that would warn you when you were entering a business that covid victim had visited or would show you all the places that covid victims had visited and when.   Businesses here would fight that like crazy.   

[Royalfan5 2348]

For your AM livestock update, pork prices edged higher, with bellies off about 10 bucks, with reports of fresh pork being available on the spot market for retailers for the first time in a couple week with plant reopenings going smoothly so far. Choice beef surged higher again, but select was flatter as we see the choice select spread widen, which is too be expected with the packing plant games going on, with Kansas cash sales 15 better than Texas.(Usually they are within a buck of each other) We will see what the packer runs say this afternoon, which is the biggest key right now. 

[atomheartbevo 89449]

1 hour ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

So first it was a bat virus and now it's a rat virus.  I'm thinking we should just go ahead and kill all the cats now.

There’s a vet in Houston that we can put in charge of this

 

[ChiTownDoc 21102]

5 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Tracing  was probably tossed to the states partly because it was political and an election year.  There is a segment that would fight it tooth-and-nail, just like they’ve been fighting the maskS and social distancing stuff.

But it’s also a helluva lot tougher to trace here, given how mobile and spread out our society is.  I’m not talking about mass transit like NYC (since there is mass transit in Europe and China). There are folks who will drive down a few miles to the convenience store for a pack of smokes.  There’s people who will spend all day shopping through a dozen or more stores.  

And there’s other issues.  Businesses fighting the release of information.   Here in Austin, we have hospital networks fighting the release of covid stats.  We have the city fighting the release of info about nursing homes.

Just imagine a situation like South Korea where they had an app that would warn you when you were entering a business that covid victim had visited or would show you all the places that covid victims had visited and when.   Businesses here would fight that like crazy.   

Totally agree it’s very difficult but the lack of any effort through the end of April is still eye opening.  We are seeing more concrete plans now - some privacy will have to be relinquished and we all agree that’s a fucking powderkeg with the politics of the day...

[Dahobbs 17447]

42 minutes ago, JBJ said:

I don't disagree with anything you posted.  I already said this was the correct thing to do at this point in time.

I only wanted to point out that the death count in 5 years when the scientists start doing attribution studies is primed to go down.  Deaths normally do go down for almost everything, from lung cancer to drug overdose.

To some extent this is a problem baked-in and not specific to covid.  Because being listed on the death certified as a cause and actually being the thing that kills you are different things and it takes a view wider than the than at the coroner-level and longer than a few months in to figure that out.

I made the mistake of posting a list of higher-level concepts in the middle of a spat over medicare scams.  It wasn't supposed to be related.

I honestly didn't think you were getting involved in the middle of that. I just wanted to clarify for others that coding is done at different levels. Having a diagnosis code for Covid-19 treatment is not the same thing as having that code appear as a cause of death. 

Edited May 12, 2020 by Dahobbs

[Guest Lobo]

All the calls for prayer and God's blessings by people in positions of leadership (public and private) has really been inspiring to those of us Christians.  We're in a really bad way here in America and having fellow men of faith call on the Lord to watch over us has given much needed solace in this challenging time.  I know many of you, my fellow Texans of Faith, feel the same way.  Let's be thankful, yes? 

I very much believe in the separation of church and state, but not even the most ardent atheist has an issue when a major public figure or celebrity asks for us to pray for a way through the darkness in whatever form we choose.  The complete and total absence of such a request is a tad curious to me though, to be honest.  Even my anti-organized religion father and older brother, after a 3-month pandemic of biblical proportions, would accidentally encourage me to say a prayer at the end of their remarks (which as you can tell by me, would due to genetic reasons, meander and wander like so many deer in the wild).  As such, I am really made to be at peace by the fact that so many of our major public figures are calling for prayer as is their calling as true Christian shepherds.  God bless you all, and god bless the United States of America!  

[Anastasis 23394]

52 minutes ago, Scary Stranger said:

long time reader, short time poster (on Surly).  I'll withdraw the comment as to not muck up the thread.

I am a struggling with avatar update a little bit.   

[Dahobbs 17447]

8 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Tracing  was probably tossed to the states partly because it was political and an election year.  There is a segment that would fight it tooth-and-nail, just like they’ve been fighting the maskS and social distancing stuff.

But it’s also a helluva lot tougher to trace here, given how mobile and spread out our society is.  I’m not talking about mass transit like NYC (since there is mass transit in Europe and China). There are folks who will drive down a few miles to the convenience store for a pack of smokes.  There’s people who will spend all day shopping through a dozen or more stores.  

And there’s other issues.  Businesses fighting the release of information.   Here in Austin, we have hospital networks fighting the release of covid stats.  We have the city fighting the release of info about nursing homes.

Just imagine a situation like South Korea where they had an app that would warn you when you were entering a business that covid victim had visited or would show you all the places that covid victims had visited and when.   Businesses here would fight that like crazy.   

Well, a lot of those problems stem from privacy laws and liability. I think entities are rightly concerned about that. The only functional way to allow the necessary reporting is through uniform federal action/legislation so that everyone is operating from a common framework. 

[Iceman 2640]

1 hour ago, Trey3216 said:

What about starting at noon?  

You can't be drunk all day if you don't start in the morning...

so, "No."

[Iceman 2640]

22 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Totally agree it’s very difficult but the lack of any effort through the end of April is still eye opening.  We are seeing more concrete plans now - some privacy will have to be relinquished and we all agree that’s a fucking powderkeg with the politics of the day...

well, that or the alleged laws protecting such.

[Bruno Sardine 147]

1 hour ago, pearlandhorn said:

Of course they’re following the restrictions in other countries. Americans hate being told what to do by the government. It’s the American way.

https://www.dw.com/en/labor-day-berlin-workers-rally-defies-social-distancing-ban/a-53303301

[gmr548 16517]

My group is in NY.  We are in 28 states.  I’m licensed in 20+.  Cat is out of the bag. I’m not talking about now.  I’m taking about thousands missed in March and April.  In NYC alone.  

 

What you can and do put on a death certificate are two different things.  Medical directors are paid 2-8k a month by nursing homes.   CMS said a long time ago they’re putting C19 cases and deaths on a public site.  Why would any doc in their building put a questionable death as C19?

You dont understand. It's on YouTube.

 

[gmr548 16517]

One expert said that “a lot of patients who don’t have drug use or alcohol problems are drinking more now, sometimes every day from 4 or 5 p.m., and they don’t stop until they sleep.”

I feel attacked. Shockedpikachu.gif

[dcar00 14035]

per1point3 right now  524 dead with the big 4(and plenty of other smaller)still left to report.  will probably struggle to stay under 1600 today

[ChiTownDoc 21102]

18 minutes ago, Iceman said:

well, that or the alleged laws protecting such.

Yep - there’s a trade off and some are already willing to make that trade and others aren’t there yet.  100 years from now with what we know about how virus’s spread your rights to that type of privacy will be toast.  Agree the country isn’t ready now - let’s see how much pain like this we get before people agree to give up some privacy for the greater good.  There’s books full of laws that are no longer around.  
If you have a fever of 103 degrees and still want to fly you’ll be tracked and likely prevented from traveling.  Your privacy rights, as defined today, will be violated.  

[El Diablo 4232]

57 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Tracing  was probably tossed to the states partly because it was political and an election year.  There is a segment that would fight it tooth-and-nail, just like they’ve been fighting the maskS and social distancing stuff.

But it’s also a helluva lot tougher to trace here, given how mobile and spread out our society is.  I’m not talking about mass transit like NYC (since there is mass transit in Europe and China). There are folks who will drive down a few miles to the convenience store for a pack of smokes.  There’s people who will spend all day shopping through a dozen or more stores.  

And there’s other issues.  Businesses fighting the release of information.   Here in Austin, we have hospital networks fighting the release of covid stats.  We have the city fighting the release of info about nursing homes.

Just imagine a situation like South Korea where they had an app that would warn you when you were entering a business that covid victim had visited or would show you all the places that covid victims had visited and when.   Businesses here would fight that like crazy.   

Just put a LoJack on SA's mom and any cell phone within a certain radius gets tagged?

[dcar00 14035]

2 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Yep - there’s a trade off and some are already willing to make that trade and others aren’t there yet.  100 years from now with what we know about how virus’s spread your rights to that type of privacy will be toast.  Agree the country isn’t ready now - let’s see how much pain like this we get before people agree to give up some privacy for the greater good.  There’s books full of laws that are no longer around.  
If you have a fever of 103 degrees and still want to fly you’ll be tracked and likely prevented from traveling.  Your privacy rights, as defined today, will be violated.  

or you can listen to some Foreigner(no CR)

 

[atomheartbevo 89449]

For reference, Hawaii still having to arrest dumbass tourists for ignoring the laws and warnings.  It’s like people don’t understand how islands work and how quickly things could spread.  
https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2020/05/08/coronavirus-hawaii-arresting-tourist-who-break-quarantine-rules/3098049001/

[Iceman 2640]

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Edited May 12, 2020 by Iceman