Formerly DT: COVID-19 - Featuring Lots of Politics, now CR because political talk not going away

[Hugo Stiglitz 23,367]

 

[Johnny Sack 8,397]

 

[bullzak 422]

20 hours ago, Reynolds Woodcock said:

I really hope you just stumbled your way to this message board because you saw a Thujone dick painting on reddit that caught your attention. Surely someone with a degree from the University of Texas can’t be this blindingly stupid. 

And people say there is no civil discourse anymore. 

Death from COVID is down 90% from the May peak. 

The case spike is worth watching for sure, but it does not translate into ICU, vents, and death the way it did in March. This may be because the new cases are skewing younger and potentially because the virus is weakening. Of course no one knows. 

My point is that people need to be a little more skeptical of the panic porn folks and look at what is happening more broadly in the US with respect to the most important stat and that is death from this thing. 

 

 

[BradInATX 9,208]

April/May: "Pay no attention to the national numbers because Texas is doing great!"

June: "Sure Texas is one of the fastest growing Covid states in the country, but the nation as a whole is trending downwards, and that's what's important"

[Dahobbs 17,654]

9 minutes ago, bullzak said:

And people say there is no civil discourse anymore. 

Death from COVID is down 90% from the May peak. 

The case spike is worth watching for sure, but it does not translate into ICU, vents, and death the way it did in March. This may be because the new cases are skewing younger and potentially because the virus is weakening. Of course no one knows. 

My point is that people need to be a little more skeptical of the panic porn folks and look at what is happening more broadly in the US with respect to the most important stat and that is death from this thing. 

 

 

Cases are a leading indicator, but can be influenced by testing. Deaths would only come after. The rise in hospitalizations is concerning and portend of what is to come. 

[Armybrat 40,874]

Well, my hoarded supply of DQ Blizzards In the garage freezer is gone, so with the the new spiking it looks like I should make another run.

[Captainant 27,727]

18 minutes ago, bullzak said:

The case spike is worth watching for sure, but it does not translate into ICU, vents, and death the way it did in March. This may be because the new cases are skewing younger and potentially because the virus is weakening. Of course no one knows. 

What are you talking about? In Houston, they're already running out of ICU capacity and ICU usage is trending up higher/faster than it was in March/April.

If you're gonna make that argument, please provide some data to back your position.

[Js1 85,527]

12 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

Cases are a leading indicator, but can be influenced by testing. Deaths would only come after. The rise in hospitalizations is concerning and portend of what is to come. 

Huh you mean people don’t immediately die if they test positive? 

[bullzak 422]

 

[bullzak 422]

https://www.texastribune.org/2020/06/16/texas-coronavirus-spike-young-adults/

One of the areas of concern Abbott mentioned was Hays County, where 476 of the 938 confirmed cases are people ages 20 to 29. People in their 20s accounted for 50.7% of all the cases in Hays County as of Monday,

[kevwun 15,856]

Those graphs are for the entire US.  Texas' hospitalization numbers are increasing rapidly.  The Northeast is trending down and they were the main source of the high hospitalization numbers.

Edited June 22, 2020 by kevwun

[BradInATX 9,208]

4 minutes ago, kevwun said:

Those graphs are for the entire US.  Texas' hospitalization numbers are increasing rapidly.  The Northeast is trending down and they were the main source of the high hospitalization numbers.

Bullzak is struggling a bit with the concept that there is more than one hospital in the country.

[Johnny Sack 8,397]

 

 

[Johnny Sack 8,397]

 

 

[atomheartbevo 89,778]

Abbott giving a presser in 10 minutes.

Neighbor who works with the city/businesses said this morning that everybody is "getting concerned really fast".

[Anastasis 23,481]

11 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Abbott giving a presser in 10 minutes.

Neighbor who works with the city/businesses said this morning that everybody is "getting concerned really fast".

do yo8u have a link?\

 

[atomheartbevo 89,778]

embedded on https://www.texastribune.org/2020/06/22/texas-coronavirus-greg-abbott-press-conference/

 

[DaysOff 7,969]

Who is blonde chick in black dress? Nice tits

[atomheartbevo 89,778]

Translator is awesome.

[kevwun 15,856]

Wrong thread.

Edited June 22, 2020 by kevwun

[B00M 6,457]

So Abbot didn't change anything at all? He just made suggestions to the people of Texas? Dude, you had an opportunity to keep us from having to shut down in a few weeks and you blew it. Fuck.

[AnTiM 1,669]

All you clowns who could not fkn wait to get out in a crowd, I really hope you caught it.

[Guest Lobo]

54 minutes ago, AnTiM said:

All you clowns who could not fkn wait to get out in a crowd, I really hope you caught it.

I wouldn't call 6,200 out of 21,000 +40,000 overflow to be a "crowd" 6,200 was called capacity by a group that thinks this spike isn't real.  Maths ain't for 'errbody

No politics, I'm talking about cases and hospital capacity in Texas. 

Edited June 22, 2020 by Lobo

[ChickenSandwich 9,849]

Update 6/21/20

May 1, 2020 - Beginning on May 1, 2020 (Friday), retail stores, restaurants, places of worship, movie theaters and malls will be allowed to operate at 25% capacity. The Travis County Fire Marshal's Office has provided a business reopening guidance.

Travis County Kung Flu Deaths - Cumulative total

3/27: 1 death

6/12: 101 deaths

6/13: 104 deaths

6/14: 104 deaths

6/15: 104 deaths

6/16: 106 deaths

6/17:  108 deaths

6/18:  108 deaths

6/19: 108 deaths

6/20: 109 deaths

6/21: 110 deaths

Last 10 Days: +9

 

Travis County Health Care Stats: Current numbers

6/12: Hp - 112, ICU - 46, Vent - 26

6/13: Hp - 111, ICU - -48, Vent - 24

6/14: Hp - 129, ICU - 52, Vent - 29

6/15: Hp - 142, ICU - 52, Vent - 31

6/16: HP - 158, ICU - 59, Vent - 28

6/17: Hp - 173, ICU - 63, Vent - 26

6/18: Hp - 173, ICU - 63, Vent - 26

6/19: Hp - 173, ICU - 64, Vent - 27

6/20: Hp - 173, ICU- 64, Vent - 27

6/21: Hp - 173, ICU - 64, Vent - 27

Last 10 Days: Hp: +61 , ICU: +18,Vent: +1

Ten Day Average HP (rolling): 151.7  

10 Day Avg on 6/11 - 91.5

https://austin.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/39e4f8d4acb0433baae6d15a931fa984

 

 

US Death Total 6/18/20

Nursing Home/Extended Care Deaths: 59,652 (54.3%)

Remaining Population (all ages):           50,141

Total:                                                         109,793

Top 5: Highest State Death Totals:

NY: 24,661

NJ: 12,800

Mass: 7,770

Pennsylvania: 6,361

Illinois: 6,260

 

Total: 56,426 (52.7% of total deaths)

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1ETm51GayRjlnoaRVtUOWfkolEeAQZ-zPhXkCbVe4_ik/htmlview#gid=43566737

Edited Friday at 11:49 AM by ChickenSandwich

[Js1 85,527]

1 hour ago, AnTiM said:

All you clowns who could not fkn wait to get out in a crowd, I really hope you caught it.

Hope Karen’s haircut and Chad’s night out with the bros is worth it when they’re stuck at home again 

[Anastasis 23,481]

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA248-3.html

For even odds of COVID-19 cases appearing in all five countries by January 22, 2020, the average odds of a case appearing in each of these countries would have needed to be roughly 87 percent. To reach those odds, the actual case rate in China would have needed to be about 37 times higher than what was officially reported on that date—that is, 18,700 total infectious cases, as opposed to just the 503 total cases that China reported having on January 22, 2020.

This estimate is broadly consistent with research published in a January 2020 Imperial College London report and an April 2020 article in the Emerging Infectious Diseases journal, both of which estimated that there were about 4,000 cases in the city of Wuhan, Hubei province, on January 18 and 18,700 cases there on January 23.

[Brisketexan 105,274]

17 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA248-3.html

For even odds of COVID-19 cases appearing in all five countries by January 22, 2020, the average odds of a case appearing in each of these countries would have needed to be roughly 87 percent. To reach those odds, the actual case rate in China would have needed to be about 37 times higher than what was officially reported on that date—that is, 18,700 total infectious cases, as opposed to just the 503 total cases that China reported having on January 22, 2020.

This estimate is broadly consistent with research published in a January 2020 Imperial College London report and an April 2020 article in the Emerging Infectious Diseases journal, both of which estimated that there were about 4,000 cases in the city of Wuhan, Hubei province, on January 18 and 18,700 cases there on January 23.

That estimate surprises me not one bit.  Shit, I suspect it's still materially on the low side.

[NAVY 6,747]

Travis county way down today from yesterday’s obscene record. 

[UT_OB1 2,224]

21 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RRA248-3.html

For even odds of COVID-19 cases appearing in all five countries by January 22, 2020, the average odds of a case appearing in each of these countries would have needed to be roughly 87 percent. To reach those odds, the actual case rate in China would have needed to be about 37 times higher than what was officially reported on that date—that is, 18,700 total infectious cases, as opposed to just the 503 total cases that China reported having on January 22, 2020.

This estimate is broadly consistent with research published in a January 2020 Imperial College London report and an April 2020 article in the Emerging Infectious Diseases journal, both of which estimated that there were about 4,000 cases in the city of Wuhan, Hubei province, on January 18 and 18,700 cases there on January 23.

One of the first US deaths was in California in January from community spread. The person did not travel abroad or come in contact with someone that did. It was here before January, and it was in China before December - they’ve confirmed it back to as far as November last I saw. 

[Guest Lobo]

Makes sense, fewer people were out.  What with, South Austin's mom stuck at her all-night Axis & Allies ladies tournament.  Honestly, where does she get the stamina?  

[MNLonghornFUKM 8,817]

[MNLonghornFUKM 8,817]

285 US deaths. Second low day in a row.

 

 

Mexico is looking bad tho

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,142]

One of the first US deaths was in California in January from community spread. The person did not travel abroad or come in contact with someone that did. It was here before January, and it was in China before December - they’ve confirmed it back to as far as November last I saw. 

It has been confirmed that there was a case in France in December.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-52526554

Further, a wastewater study found it was in Italy in December as well.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-53106444

[dcar00 14,344]

Northeast did us a solid.  virus went george foreman in the rumble in the jungle on the 75+ year olds, its tiring out now and is just settling for the 20-40 year olds.  time for the ali rope a dope.

[Sandman 3,411]

This has now hit (somewhat) close to home. My daughter just called and said her coworker's dad tested positive. Her coworker is now on a 2 week break from coming to work. My daughter lives with me and I'm wondering what, if anything, I need to tell my boss. Is this a big enough degree of separation that I don't need to freak out my coworkers? We're currently doing a weekly rotation and I don't see any of the at-risk people (who are 100% at home) or any of the ones that are freaked out about the whole thing. 

What I'd like is to say nothing, keep on truckin' at work and nothing ever comes of it. But I feel obligated to tell my boss so she can be the one to decide how to handle it. I don't want to get people riled up but I don't want this to bite me in the ass. My wife is currently looking up testing sites and I hope we can get my kid tested tomorrow. If she's ok (which I think she is), I'll feel better about my situation.

Do I give my boss a head-up or do I just shut my big yapper?

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13,119]

22 hours ago, Lobo said:

Imagine someone fighting to enter a wal-Mart being permitted to cast a vote in November?

It’s called democracy. All manner of stupid people get a vote. They’re not tied to any specific party, race, culture, or gender. 

[LurkingHorn 1,067]

2 minutes ago, Sandman said:

This has now hit (somewhat) close to home. My daughter just called and said her coworker's dad tested positive. Her coworker is now on a 2 week break from coming to work. My daughter lives with me and I'm wondering what, if anything, I need to tell my boss. Is this a big enough degree of separation that I don't need to freak out my coworkers? We're currently doing a weekly rotation and I don't see any of the at-risk people (who are 100% at home) or any of the ones that are freaked out about the whole thing. 

What I'd like is to say nothing, keep on truckin' at work and nothing ever comes of it. But I feel obligated to tell my boss so she can be the one to decide how to handle it. I don't want to get people riled up but I don't want this to bite me in the ass. My wife is currently looking up testing sites and I hope we can get my kid tested tomorrow. If she's ok (which I think she is), I'll feel better about my situation.

Do I give my boss a head-up or do I just shut my big yapper?

See if you can get your daughter the rapid test and go from there. I had co-workers find those tests pretty quickly here in Dallas. You just need to ask around. 

[Sandman 3,411]

3 minutes ago, LurkingHorn said:

See if you can get your daughter the rapid test and go from there. I had co-workers find those tests pretty quickly here in Dallas. You just need to ask around. 

Our local test place is M-W-F, and she's off work wednesday, so she can go then. I just feel obligated to tell my supervisor. I don't know what to do, it doesn't feel right to not say anything.

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13,119]

5 hours ago, Js1 said:

Hope Karen’s haircut and Chad’s night out with the bros is worth it when they’re stuck at home again 

Wasn’t it you who immediately went out for a haircut?

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13,119]

On 5/13/2020 at 9:57 PM, Js1 said:

Just had my first masked-up haircut. Not too weird or anything. Temp check, 2 hand washes. 

Yep.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8,817]

This has now hit (somewhat) close to home. My daughter just called and said her coworker's dad tested positive. Her coworker is now on a 2 week break from coming to work. My daughter lives with me and I'm wondering what, if anything, I need to tell my boss. Is this a big enough degree of separation that I don't need to freak out my coworkers? We're currently doing a weekly rotation and I don't see any of the at-risk people (who are 100% at home) or any of the ones that are freaked out about the whole thing. 
What I'd like is to say nothing, keep on truckin' at work and nothing ever comes of it. But I feel obligated to tell my boss so she can be the one to decide how to handle it. I don't want to get people riled up but I don't want this to bite me in the ass. My wife is currently looking up testing sites and I hope we can get my kid tested tomorrow. If she's ok (which I think she is), I'll feel better about my situation.
Do I give my boss a head-up or do I just shut my big yapper?

I’d definitely give him a heads up... especially if you’re able to work from home. Won’t hurt especially since your daughter lives with you and she’s potentially been exposed.

[bolverk 29,708]

1 hour ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

I’d definitely give him a heads up... especially if you’re able to work from home. Won’t hurt especially since your daughter lives with you and she’s potentially been exposed.

^ This. It's not just a CYA thing but a responsibility to those you work with. Even if you don't feel those who are in the office are "at risk," this can still wreck shop on the young and relatively healthy, who themselves could expose folks who are truly at risk in their homes. You just don't know, and wouldn't you feel like a real asshole if you even suspected that you were the vector causing another person's suffering.

It's just the right thing to do, and I think you'd feel better about it not weighing on your conscious.

That's my 2 cents anyway.

Edited June 23, 2020 by bolverk
Conscience you illiterate idoit.

[Guest Lobo]

57 minutes ago, Casual Encounter said:

It’s called democracy. All manner of stupid people get a vote. They’re not tied to any specific party, race, culture, or gender. 

good point.  Still maybe the Nose-Guard assault on a fixed position of the soup aisle at Wal-Mart could be a considered a violation of the voting clause?  Shit, we've amended it before.  That's what "Amend" means...

[Sandman 3,411]

11 minutes ago, bolverk said:

^ This. It's not just a CYA thing but a responsibility to those you work with. Even if you don't feel those who are in the office are "at risk," this can still wreck shop on the young and relatively healthy, who themselves could expose folks who are truly at risk in their homes. You just don't know, and wouldn't you feel like a real asshole if you even suspected that you were the vector causing another person's suffering.

It's just the right thing to do, and I think you'd feel better about it not weighing on your conscious.

That's my 2 cents anyway.

Yeah, I agree and I did call. They were gonna let me come in but then the big boss changed his mind at the last second. I have to work from home until we get test results back for my kid. And just to be clear, our "at risk" employees have been out of the office since March. The nearest person in the room is 20+ feet away. But I still didn't feel right not saying something. I'm gonna get crushed with work when I go back, it's gonna suck.

[utee94 15,852]

1 hour ago, Sandman said:

This has now hit (somewhat) close to home. My daughter just called and said her coworker's dad tested positive. Her coworker is now on a 2 week break from coming to work. My daughter lives with me and I'm wondering what, if anything, I need to tell my boss. Is this a big enough degree of separation that I don't need to freak out my coworkers? We're currently doing a weekly rotation and I don't see any of the at-risk people (who are 100% at home) or any of the ones that are freaked out about the whole thing. 

What I'd like is to say nothing, keep on truckin' at work and nothing ever comes of it. But I feel obligated to tell my boss so she can be the one to decide how to handle it. I don't want to get people riled up but I don't want this to bite me in the ass. My wife is currently looking up testing sites and I hope we can get my kid tested tomorrow. If she's ok (which I think she is), I'll feel better about my situation.

Do I give my boss a head-up or do I just shut my big yapper?

It's a mess and I feel for you, but I think you need to tell your boss, look out for your fellow coworkers, with the added benefit of keeping your conscience clear.  From what you describe it seems unlikely you've posed much of a threat to your coworkers, but let your company follow its protocol and policy and make the right decisions.

I can tell you that when they contact-traced me based on my direct interaction with a positive COVID test-case, I wasn't concerned for myself because I've been working from home for the past 3 months and had no symptoms.  But my wife is a Physical Therapist, and if I ended up positive, obviously she'd be at risk too.  And beyond that, her patients could be at risk.

We decided she'd tell her boss, and every patient she was set to interact with.  One of her elderly patients decided to hold off a week.  I got tested, got the results in a couple of days, and was negative for both the active infection and antibodies.  In the meantime we did the right thing and were able to live with our decisions.

This isn't easy, it's not cut and dried, and there are some uncomfortable conversations to be had.  Ultimately you'll feel much better about reporting it.  That's my opinion, anyway.  Good luck!

[Okie State 3,843]

Probably already been talked about and debunked, but my conspiracy theory brother posted about the Google search manipulation of new case numbers. Someone tell me this is bullshit because it sounds like bullshit, but I tried about 35 completely random combos and every one of them came back with a hit. If it's not bullshit, what's the explanation?

[scottsins 1,969]

Probably already been talked about and debunked, but my conspiracy theory brother posted about the Google search manipulation of new case numbers. Someone tell me this is bullshit because it sounds like bullshit, but I tried about 35 completely random combos and every one of them came back with a hit. If it's not bullshit, what's the explanation?

Explain. I have zero idea what your post is referring to.

[Captain Ron 12,894]

1 hour ago, Sandman said:

This has now hit (somewhat) close to home. My daughter just called and said her coworker's dad tested positive. Her coworker is now on a 2 week break from coming to work. My daughter lives with me and I'm wondering what, if anything, I need to tell my boss. Is this a big enough degree of separation that I don't need to freak out my coworkers? We're currently doing a weekly rotation and I don't see any of the at-risk people (who are 100% at home) or any of the ones that are freaked out about the whole thing. 

What I'd like is to say nothing, keep on truckin' at work and nothing ever comes of it. But I feel obligated to tell my boss so she can be the one to decide how to handle it. I don't want to get people riled up but I don't want this to bite me in the ass. My wife is currently looking up testing sites and I hope we can get my kid tested tomorrow. If she's ok (which I think she is), I'll feel better about my situation.

Do I give my boss a head-up or do I just shut my big yapper?

You’ve made the decision and it’s the right one. I would ask how long it’s been since your daughter was exposed to the coworker? A test can come back as a false negative if taken too early, she won’t have a high enough viral load. 

19 minutes ago, utee94 said:

It's a mess and I feel for you, but I think you need to tell your boss, look out for your fellow coworkers, with the added benefit of keeping your conscience clear.  From what you describe it seems unlikely you've posed much of a threat to your coworkers, but let your company follow its protocol and policy and make the right decisions.

I can tell you that when they contact-traced me based on my direct interaction with a positive COVID test-case, I wasn't concerned for myself because I've been working from home for the past 3 months and had no symptoms.  But my wife is a Physical Therapist, and if I ended up positive, obviously she'd be at risk too.  And beyond that, her patients could be at risk.

We decided she'd tell her boss, and every patient she was set to interact with.  One of her elderly patients decided to hold off a week.  I got tested, got the results in a couple of days, and was negative for both the active infection and antibodies.  In the meantime we did the right thing and were able to live with our decisions.

This isn't easy, it's not cut and dried, and there are some uncomfortable conversations to be had.  Ultimately you'll feel much better about reporting it.  That's my opinion, anyway.  Good luck!

Actually I really do think it’s that cut and dried, exposure like this and you have to act as if you are infected. You protect a lot of people by being proactive about your actions. If you do come up positive, you’ve done what you could to prevent the spread. If you are negative, all the better.

Its the same reason why everyone should wear masks and the state should do everything they can to stop the spread. Don’t react by then it’s too late 

[stork642 4,498]

So with cases going up if deaths don’t go up significantly is that proof that we are dealing with a weaker strain of Covid?   And if it is weakening doesn’t that change how we will treat this pandemic going forward?  

[Samson's Wig 3,194]

6 hours ago, Js1 said:

Hope Karen’s haircut and Chad’s night out with the bros is worth it when they’re stuck at home again 

 

1 hour ago, Casual Encounter said:

Wasn’t it you who immediately went out for a haircut?

 

And aren't Chads the ones who are banging all the hot chicks, according to the internet nerds?  How'd they get lumped in with the Karens?