Formerly DT: COVID-19 - Featuring Lots of Politics, now CR because political talk not going away

[South Austin 53158]

2 hours ago, Cheeseweasel said:

I believe the Children are the future.

[Hate 20232]

Hospitalizations for what though?  If a person with underlying issues isn't feeling well to begin with and gets a "positive" test and goes to the hospital (logical)... the numbers still are messed up.  In times of a pandemic I would assume hospital rates are higher. I know if I start feeling bad from anything I'll be more likely to not wait before seeking treatment.

People aren’t going to the hospital when they have the sniffles. They are going when they start to have difficulty breathing as there is obviously more to it than a cold. I would think that it’s reasonable to count someone with Covid symptoms (especially the difficulty breathing one) that need hospitalization as positive. I guess there could be instances of pneumonia that could be included which would obviously skew the numbers, but how many people get pneumonia in the summer time (it could be more than a handful but I have no idea). It’s just beyond frustrating that we have the “test test test” pathway in front of us only to find out that the test may actually be flawed at a very high level. It could render all of the data we thought we could use actually useless. It’s just another turd in this Rona punch bowl.

[justhookit 4205]

3 hours ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

Another group finds "software" flaws in Thermo Fisher COVID testing resulting in more false positives....

https://www.kentucky.com/news/coronavirus/article244429392.html

 

This one is 1/1000 tests. Truly nothing to see here. 

[Lat22 4070]

1 hour ago, Hate said:

People aren’t going to the hospital when they have the sniffles. They are going when they start to have difficulty breathing as there is obviously more to it than a cold.

There are also people showing up at hospital ERs just to get tested.  These aren't people of means.  They are uninsured.  Most of them don't speak English.  When their tests come back "positive", they are being admitted.  Symptoms or not.
 

[atomheartbevo 90550]

Color me surprised, we may get a new stimulus bill and a new round of payments/checks.

They were/are going to drop the weekly unemployment stuff from $600 to $100, and there is still talk of capping the checks for individuals making over $40,000.  No payroll tax cut either.  This will definitely help some people towards the bottom.

[Hate 20232]

There are also people showing up at hospital ERs just to get tested.  These aren't people of means.  They are uninsured.  Most of them don't speak English.  When their tests come back "positive", they are being admitted.  Symptoms or not.
 

Why are they admitting positives before they know if they will need advanced care or not?

[Beau Vine 55836]

My 88 year old dad had a stroke almost a month ago and is doing OK in terms of stroke and functioning. Went to the hospital for 3 days and then rehab at his retirement community rehab/nursing center which was an ordeal. Was moved to several different rooms. Some without TVs so he was bored. Tested positive for covid 19 when he arrived so put in a semiprivate room with another positive patient. He had no symptoms throughout the ordeal. Tested negative over a week ago and moved again. Tested negative again and finally got to go home this afternoon. Happy camper! Back in his duplex at the retirement community with a sitter for a period of time. Now waiting to get better so he can get his dog back: 

 

Edited July 23, 2020 by Beau Vine

[B00M 6727]

probably a false positive result

 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10765]

2 hours ago, justhookit said:

This one is 1/1000 tests. Truly nothing to see here. 

I don't think that is fully correct. They do not specify how many tests were done using Thermo vs their other testing methods. The amount of affected results might only be a small percentage of their overall tests but might also be similar 2/3's for the Thermo test. We do know that millions of Thermo tests have been done nationwide. I would like to see the positive results broken down by testing type/company.  That could be given and could clear up a lot of this.

[Surly Bevo 25660]

50 minutes ago, Beau Vine said:

My 88 year old dad had a stroke almost a month ago and is doing OK in terms of stroke and functioning. Went to the hospital for 3 days and then rehab at his retirement community rehab/nursing center which was an ordeal. Was moved to several different rooms. Some without TVs so he was bored. Tested positive for covid 19 when he arrived so put in a semiprivate room with another positive patient. He had no symptoms throughout the ordeal. Tested negative over a week ago and moved again. Tested negative again and finally got to go home this afternoon. Happy camper! Back in his duplex at the retirement community with a sitter for a period of time. Now waiting to get better so he can get his dog back: 

 

Awesome.  Pics of sitter?

[Beau Vine 55836]

22 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

Awesome.  Pics of sitter?

He's in Brenham, so there's about a 95% chance it's an old black lady.

[InkaUtexas 26808]

1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

My 88 year old dad had a stroke almost a month ago and is doing OK in terms of stroke and functioning. Went to the hospital for 3 days and then rehab at his retirement community rehab/nursing center which was an ordeal. Was moved to several different rooms. Some without TVs so he was bored. Tested positive for covid 19 when he arrived so put in a semiprivate room with another positive patient. He had no symptoms throughout the ordeal. Tested negative over a week ago and moved again. Tested negative again and finally got to go home this afternoon. Happy camper! Back in his duplex at the retirement community with a sitter for a period of time. Now waiting to get better so he can get his dog back: 

 

Tell dad to get better and come meet us at Zelicks when it opens! 

[gmr548 16681]

In four to six weeks herd immunity will start slowing the virus way down.

Take four to six weeks to learn basic math and try again.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8964]

 

 

Story of our country summed up in one pitch

[staboner 5067]

7 hours ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Who do you even believe now ?  This thing is 100% political to some people. To some it's the end of the world, to others it's a hoax.

and made even more complicated as the hoaxers are also the end worlders.

ya'll homies stay positive now

[staboner 5067]

2 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

My 88 year old dad had a stroke almost a month ago and is doing OK in terms of stroke and functioning. Went to the hospital for 3 days and then rehab at his retirement community rehab/nursing center which was an ordeal. Was moved to several different rooms. Some without TVs so he was bored. Tested positive for covid 19 when he arrived so put in a semiprivate room with another positive patient. He had no symptoms throughout the ordeal. Tested negative over a week ago and moved again. Tested negative again and finally got to go home this afternoon. Happy camper! Back in his duplex at the retirement community with a sitter for a period of time. Now waiting to get better so he can get his dog back: 

 

happy to see this. glad he is better

[Nicole44 22206]

Not sure if the right thread to post (my brother works in multiple hospitals here in Austin) are there many people posting here that work in hospitals? Not just Austin. I am asking for a specific reason. I’m not sure I am allowed to post what I was told. Not trying to bait post or whatever (fuck I’m too old for that bs). Just want to know what the parameters are. 

[InkaUtexas 26808]

3 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

Not sure if the right thread to post (my brother works in multiple hospitals here in Austin) are there many people posting here that work in hospitals? Not just Austin. I am asking for a specific reason. I’m not sure I am allowed to post what I was told. Not trying to bait post or whatever (fuck I’m too old for that bs). Just want to know what the parameters are. 

Post the info. We don't care. 

[Nicole44 22206]

Why would the hospitals be asking for vaccination records  dating back from childhood from employees? To be more specific, employees that have worked there beyond ten years. 

[smoky 842]

Wasn't there some thought that the MMR vaccine held some benefits against covid?

[Deej 77676]

1 hour ago, Beau Vine said:

He's in Brenham, so there's about a 95% chance it's an old black lady.

 

[orangeut 215]

11 minutes ago, smoky said:

Wasn't there some thought that the MMR vaccine held some benefits against covid?

I  remember reading a story about 2 months ago about Hong Kong having a national policy that started in 1997 that not only children, but everyone of all ages got the MMR vaccine.   It was reported then that a city basically with 14-15 million people in the metro area had reported on 7 deaths, which if truly remarkable.   I haven't read anything else on it since then.

[atomheartbevo 90550]

29 minutes ago, Nicole44 said:

Why would the hospitals be asking for vaccination records  dating back from childhood from employees? To be more specific, employees that have worked there beyond ten years. 

That sounds like somebody is putting together a paper/research project.

[Beau Vine 55836]

Quandary

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[StruggleBus 3922]

1 hour ago, Nicole44 said:

Not sure if the right thread to post (my brother works in multiple hospitals here in Austin) are there many people posting here that work in hospitals? Not just Austin. I am asking for a specific reason. I’m not sure I am allowed to post what I was told. Not trying to bait post or whatever (fuck I’m too old for that bs). Just want to know what the parameters are. 

Does this involve slutty nurses?

[Enchubben 5598]

6 hours ago, Hate said:

People aren’t going to the hospital when they have the sniffles. They are going when they start to have difficulty breathing as there is obviously more to it than a cold. I would think that it’s reasonable to count someone with Covid symptoms (especially the difficulty breathing one) that need hospitalization as positive. I guess there could be instances of pneumonia that could be included which would obviously skew the numbers, but how many people get pneumonia in the summer time (it could be more than a handful but I have no idea). It’s just beyond frustrating that we have the “test test test” pathway in front of us only to find out that the test may actually be flawed at a very high level. It could render all of the data we thought we could use actually useless. It’s just another turd in this Rona punch bowl.

have you ever been to an ER? 3/4 of the fucks in there have a cold or earache. That is prior to any coronavirus where people are freaked the fuck out about something as dumb as dry mouth, a slight temperature or tickle in their throat.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

1 hour ago, Nicole44 said:

Not sure if the right thread to post (my brother works in multiple hospitals here in Austin) are there many people posting here that work in hospitals? Not just Austin. I am asking for a specific reason. I’m not sure I am allowed to post what I was told. Not trying to bait post or whatever (fuck I’m too old for that bs). Just want to know what the parameters are. 

Wat.

[troph 25099]

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[dcbc 14643]

3 hours ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Wat.

 

[justhookit 4205]

9 hours ago, Lat22 said:

There are also people showing up at hospital ERs just to get tested.  These aren't people of means.  They are uninsured.  Most of them don't speak English.  When their tests come back "positive", they are being admitted.  Symptoms or not.
 

This is something I’ve seen on Facebook from some idiot friends. If true, I’d love to see a link with any kind of supporting data. I know it’s not happening here in Corpus since hospital tests are averaging 150ish positive tests a day. Hospitalization numbers are only increasing by around 10 a day, so something doesn’t add up.

[Guest Lobo]

8 hours ago, dcbc said:

 

His stand-up isn't that great, but Pete Davidson's bit on this and the whole movie Jaws is pretty damn funny.  

In other news, authorities are now saying that the country is doing very well.  'Except for the South and the West'...you know.....where half of the people live.

Texas' defense is doing very well, except for the pass defense.  Which is...you know...half of defense. 

[BabaYaga 15533]

Looks like work being done in our own backyard!  As more time passes and more studies done, I think we are going to see many measures were unnecessary.  

Lockdowns made little difference on COVID deaths according to newly published studies

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Researchers from the University of Toronto and University of Texas found that whether a country was locked down or not was "not associated" with the Covid-19 death rate.

Instead, obesity rates and age played a large role, the study said.

Experts compared mortality rates and cases in 50 badly-hit countries up until May 1 and calculated that only 33 out of every million people had died from the virus.

 

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The study found that imposing lockdown measures succeeded in stopping hospitals becoming overwhelmed, but it did not translate into a significant reduction in deaths.

"Government actions such as border closures, full lockdowns, and a high rate of Covid-19 testing were not associated with statistically significant reductions in the number of critical cases or overall mortality," the study, published in the Lancet online journal EClinicalMedicine, said.

It added: "Consistent with reported Covid-19 outcome data from Europe, the United States, and China, higher caseloads and overall mortality were associated with comorbidities such as obesity and advanced population age."

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It added: "Consistent with reported Covid-19 outcome data from Europe, the United States, and China, higher caseloads and overall mortality were associated with comorbidities such as obesity and advanced population age."

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It added: "An increased scale of national testing was not associated with the number of critical cases, or deaths per million."

In a surprising finding from the researchers, the study found that nations with higher smoking rates had fewer deaths.

But some experts say the findings may not be accurate, including Professor Sir David Spiegelhalter of the University of Cambridge, who told the Daily Mail: "A large number of possible predictors are put into a model with only 50 observations, and then the resulting formulae are over-interpreted."

 

[B00M 6727]

So it says the lock downs prevented hospitals from being overwhelmed... But didn't save lives? Wat

[aggie08 21740]

8 minutes ago, B00M said:

So it says the lock downs prevented hospitals from being overwhelmed... But didn't save lives? Wat

Yeah, that's one of the dumbest sentences that I've ever read. "Less people got the virus, less people required hospitalization, but about the same number would have died either way." Oh, ok.

[Brisketexan 106662]

22 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Looks like work being done in our own backyard!  As more time passes and more studies done, I think we are going to see many measures were unnecessary.  

Lockdowns made little difference on COVID deaths according to newly published studies

 

I like how you ignored some other factors noted in the study that are inconvenient to you.

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Reduced income dispersion reduced mortality (RR=0.88; 95%CI: 0.83–0.93) and the number of critical cases (RR=0.92; 95% CI: 0.87–0.97). 

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However, full lockdowns (RR=2.47: 95%CI: 1.08–5.64) and reduced country vulnerability to biological threats (i.e. high scores on the global health security scale for risk environment) (RR=1.55; 95%CI: 1.13–2.12) were significantly associated with increased patient recovery rates.

So, our shitty income distribution and shitty healthcare apparatus and system (and yes, ours is shitty when it comes to these things)......are a part of the problem when it comes to deaths, critical cases, and recovery.

How a disease affects a country is a complex thing, as countries and their people are a complex system.  An interesting thing we're learning (if folks like you will pay attention) is that our broken system, particularly when it comes to healthcare and our skyrocketing income inequality, is literally killing people.

We spend trillions on "national security!".....and utterly neglect the things that are actually killing us at [checks notes] a rate higher than we were dying during WWII.  But, you know, anything to avoid being called SOCIALIST!  Quadruple the spending on bombers!  Fight to the death to deny healthcare to people!  Those make total sense!

[Beau Vine 55836]

37 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

a model with only 50 observations

[BradInATX 9208]

46 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Looks like work being done in our own backyard!  As more time passes and more studies done, I think we are going to see many measures were unnecessary.  

Lockdowns made little difference on COVID deaths according to newly published studies

 

 

Of course a lockdown wouldn't impact death rate. We don't need a study to prove that. That article is unbelievably poorly written and completely mis-represents the study (which I just read). "The Evening Standard (also the London Evening Standard) is a local free daily newspaper, published Monday to Friday in tabloid format in London. Since 2009 it has been owned by Russian businessman Alexander Lebedev."

It's a Russian tabloid. Literally. Be better.

Edited July 24, 2020 by BradInATX

[BabaYaga 15533]

16 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

I like how you ignored some other factors noted in the study that are inconvenient to you.

So, our shitty income distribution and shitty healthcare apparatus and system (and yes, ours is shitty when it comes to these things)......are a part of the problem when it comes to deaths, critical cases, and recovery.

How a disease affects a country is a complex thing, as countries and their people are a complex system.  An interesting thing we're learning (if folks like you will pay attention) is that our broken system, particularly when it comes to healthcare and our skyrocketing income inequality, is literally killing people.

We spend trillions on "national security!".....and utterly neglect the things that are actually killing us at [checks notes] a rate higher than we were dying during WWII.  But, you know, anything to avoid being called SOCIALIST!  Quadruple the spending on bombers!  Fight to the death to deny healthcare to people!  Those make total sense!

Jesus fucking christ you are a beating.  A story that might give a measure of optimism on opening back up sourced from our own University posted on a board dedicated to that same university.  You are fucking pickled in politics.  Take a god damn breath 

 

[BradInATX 9208]

2 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Jesus fucking christ you are a beating.  A story that might give a measure of optimism on opening back up sourced from our own University posted on a board dedicated to that same university.  You are fucking pickled in politics.  Take a god damn breath 

 

 

The story is not backed up by the University of Texas. The story grossly mis-represents the actual study, because it's.. a fucking Russian tabloid. 

Don't come posting literal fake news then acting shocked when called out on it. Save that shit for your idiot friends on Facebook.

Edited July 24, 2020 by BradInATX

[BabaYaga 15533]

1 minute ago, BradInATX said:

 

The story is not backed up by the University of Texas. The story grossly mis-represents the actual study, because it's.. a fucking Russian tabloid. It's literal fake news.

Grow the fuck up, man.

Oh for fucks sake.  Researchers FROM the University of Texas.   

[BradInATX 9208]

2 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Oh for fucks sake.  Researchers FROM the University of Texas.   

The Russian Tabloid article that you posted mis-represents the study that UT did. The UT study is fine. The fake news you posted is not. 

I don't know how to simplify it any more, you fucking mouth-breathing mongoloid. If you are actually capable of reading more than a headline, read the actual UT study. Educate yourself. (narrator: he won't).

Edited July 24, 2020 by BradInATX

[Brisketexan 106662]

13 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Jesus fucking christ you are a beating.  A story that might give a measure of optimism on opening back up sourced from our own University posted on a board dedicated to that same university.  You are fucking pickled in politics.  Take a god damn breath 

 

 

11 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

 

The story is not backed up by the University of Texas. The story grossly mis-represents the actual study, because it's.. a fucking Russian tabloid. 

Don't come posting literal fake news then acting shocked when called out on it. Save that shit for your idiot friends on Facebook.

Yeah....this.  You didn't vet shit.  You didn't bother to even read what the actual, comprehensive findings were.  Post trash, get trashed.  That's how life works.  Put on your big boy pants.

[BradInATX 9208]

Dude should be ashamed to have bastardized good work by The University of Texas by posting a Russian Tabloid article that completely distorts and misrepresents it, just so he can score some agenda-driven points. That's pathetic.

[kevwun 16322]

9 hours ago, justhookit said:

This is something I’ve seen on Facebook from some idiot friends. If true, I’d love to see a link with any kind of supporting data. I know it’s not happening here in Corpus since hospital tests are averaging 150ish positive tests a day. Hospitalization numbers are only increasing by around 10 a day, so something doesn’t add up.

When I read it, I immediately thought that it sounded like bullshit on facebook or an email forward.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

18 hours ago, Beau Vine said:

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I like when Quandre turned Mahomes into rubble.  Best thing about it as it was not some blindside hit.  Mahomes was a runner and saw him.  Just got flattened.

 

[CHIEF 5205]

My uncle is a Dallas Fire Department captain, since they deal so much with paramedics, they routinely get  tested. However, they still have to go stand in line at a clinic, like everyone else. Three of his guys, I have known one of them personally, all his life sat in line for over an hour, the line wasn't moving, so they left. All three received letters that said they were COVID positive from the clinic, even though they were never tested. Between shit like that, and 90 false positives out of 144 tests, I don't think I could trust testing clinics in urban areas with long lines to get anything right on asymptomatic people. Sure, hospitalizations, and deaths are up, so there is actually proof that things are worse, but just how much worse?

CHIEF

[MNLonghornFUKM 8964]

My uncle is a Dallas Fire Department captain, since they deal so much with paramedics, they routinely get  tested. However, they still have to go stand in line at a clinic, like everyone else. Three of his guys, I have known one of them personally, all his life sat in line for over an hour, the line wasn't moving, so they left. All three received letters that said they were COVID positive from the clinic, even though they were never tested. Between shit like that, and 90 false positives out of 144 tests, I don't think I could trust testing clinics in urban areas with long lines to get anything right on asymptomatic people. Sure, hospitalizations, and deaths are up, so there is actually proof that things are worse, but just how much worse?

CHIEF

Bwahaha. So many stories like this.

 

My dad and I were talking to someone we know who made some magnetic signs for us earlier this week and had just gotten off the phone with his realtor in Florida before we got there. Realtor Basically left because 3 hrs of line waiting and no test...only to get a phone call saying they were positive without a test.

Can’t confirm if realtor is rl s t8

 

This whole thing has evolved into biggest shit show we could ever imagine back in March.

[justhookit 4205]

Y’all understand in those cases the number of positive tests is correct. They are just being assigned to the wrong person. Completely fucked up, but it’s not changing the numbers.

[Enchubben 5598]

8 minutes ago, justhookit said:

Y’all understand in those cases the number of positive tests is correct. They are just being assigned to the wrong person. Completely fucked up, but it’s not changing the numbers.

Do the people who should have gotten a positive get a negative? Or is that otherwise caught?

[justhookit 4205]

The stories in these situations read like anyone’s test result would be fucked up if your test occurred after someone got out of line. So who knows? I mean they’ve got a list or whatever of 100 patients but only get 97 results back. You’d think they would notice something wrong. And then they just ignore it I guess.