Formerly DT: COVID-19 - Featuring Lots of Politics, now CR because political talk not going away

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

Oh that first sentence is reassuring.

[Deej 76766]

11 hours ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

nor would i suggest you drink bleach or shoot very high-powered light into your body.

right?? RIGHT???

[Message Board User 12395]

 

[ChiTownDoc 21152]

On 8/13/2020 at 11:55 AM, iodeac said:

My sister in law is in nursing school and has been working on the Covid floor. We saw her briefly on Saturday night, and this morning she had a fever of 101 and a scratchy throat so she's getting a test today. I think we're probably in the clear but she just saw her parents two days ago, and they definitely have comorbidities.

If she gets her results back tomorrow and tests negative, is there any chance it could be a false negative because of lack of viral load?

If either one of her parents gets it, it's gonna be really bad.

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Of course there's a chance of a false negative...

Also, there's LOTS of patients who got it, that it should have been really fucking bad, and they literally barely had any symptoms if any.  They've been blanket testing entire nursing homes for a while here and you'd be amazed at the multiple positives on patients who have every co-morbidity known to mankind but breeze right through.  I'm not saying don't be careful, but also don't panic.  

[utee94 15820]

16 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Of course there's a chance of a false negative...

Also, there's LOTS of patients who got it, that it should have been really fucking bad, and they literally barely had any symptoms if any.  They've been blanket testing entire nursing homes for a while here and you'd be amazed at the multiple positives on patients who have every co-morbidity known to mankind but breeze right through.  I'm not saying don't be careful, but also don't panic.  

So, don't be @Junior Miller ?

 

[ChiTownDoc 21152]

54 minutes ago, utee94 said:

So, don't be @Junior Miller ?

 

Never be that guy.  

[Surly Bevo 24908]

2 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Never be that guy.  

Murder-suicide tends not to reflect well on a person....

[ChiTownDoc 21152]

3 minutes ago, Surly Bevo said:

Murder-suicide tends not to reflect well on a person....

Jokes aside did he ever reappear after going off the deep end?  Or maybe you’re not joking, because his last few posts were...something.   

[utee94 15820]

13 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Jokes aside did he ever reappear after going off the deep end?  Or maybe you’re not joking, because his last few posts were...something.   

Don't think he's posted since that fateful night.  And I sincerely hope it's just because he looked back on what he wrote, realized how crazy he was, and made some positive changes to his life and his outlook.

[South Austin 52484]

4 minutes ago, utee94 said:

Don't think he's posted since that fateful night.  And I sincerely hope it's just because he looked back on what he wrote, realized how crazy he was, and made some positive changes to his life and his outlook.

How can leaving Surly be a positive change to your life?

[Lerka Lerka 1086]

Dang, what's the backstory? 

[workswithseed 2103]

1 minute ago, Lerka Lerka said:

Dang, what's the backstory? 

He wanted to kill his wife since she went out during the beginning of the outbreak.

[Lerka Lerka 1086]

[workswithseed 2103]

8 minutes ago, Lerka Lerka said:

I was a bit wrong.

 

[justhookit 4191]

7 minutes ago, tjhooker said:

Serious question here. Why does Texas have more cases than NY but a fraction of the deaths? 

The simple answer is that NY actually had way, way more cases than what they reported.

[South Austin 52484]

Wow, he got 5 net positive rep points for that one.

[Message Board User 12395]

12 minutes ago, tjhooker said:

Serious question here. Why does Texas have more cases than NY but a fraction of the deaths? 

Because Cuomo sent Covid positive folks back into nursing homes and assisted living facilities.

https://www.propublica.org/article/fire-through-dry-grass-andrew-cuomo-saw-covid-19-threat-to-nursing-homes-then-he-risked-adding-to-it

[ChiTownDoc 21152]

15 minutes ago, justhookit said:

The simple answer is that NY actually had way, way more cases than what they reported.

True.  And also deaths pile up when hospitals are overwhelmed.  They were in NYC.  In Texas the levy held for the most part.  Also I have maintained the virus like most others is less lethal in summer...and we are better at treating now.  So several plausible explanations.  Very likely a combo of all of the above.  

[ChiTownDoc 21152]

12 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

Because Cuomo sent Covid positive folks back into nursing homes and assisted living facilities.

https://www.propublica.org/article/fire-through-dry-grass-andrew-cuomo-saw-covid-19-threat-to-nursing-homes-then-he-risked-adding-to-it

This was insane and we watched with horror.  Like lighting a match in a dry forest...

[LCHorn 2620]

18 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Wow, he got 5 net positive rep points for that one.

I'm not sure a rational mind can properly appreciate the fickle beast that is Surly rep points.  Probably at least a couple of those were were in an effort to encourage him further by our resident miscreants. 

I'm not going to include that tired Michael Caine "watch the world burn" .gif but it's appropriate here. 

[Message Board User 12395]

 

[Brisketexan 105113]

 

One of my daughter’s roommates is French, and she had it right after she returned to France when they shut schools down here. It was pretty widespread there for a while, early on.

On the bright side, she’s had it, so hopefully immune.

[ChiTownDoc 21152]

2 hours ago, LCHorn said:

I'm not sure a rational mind can properly appreciate the fickle beast that is Surly rep points.  Probably at least a couple of those were were in an effort to encourage him further by our resident miscreants. 

I'm not going to include that tired Michael Caine "watch the world burn" .gif but it's appropriate here. 

Luckily there's none of those around these parts...

[Gil Bang 25949]

3 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

True.  And also deaths pile up when hospitals are overwhelmed.  They were in NYC.  In Texas the levy held for the most part.  Also I have maintained the virus like most others is less lethal in summer...and we are better at treating now.  So several plausible explanations.  Very likely a combo of all of the above.  

[workswithseed 2103]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

One of my daughter’s roommates is French, and she had it right after she returned to France when they shut schools down here. It was pretty widespread there for a while, early on.

On the bright side, she’s had it, so hopefully immune.

Does she have hairy pits, if not, pics?

[workswithseed 2103]

3 hours ago, South Austin said:

Wow, he got 5 net positive rep points for that one.

 

[clapclapclap 9000]

The China Flu in humans may trace back to at least 2012, and samples were sent to the Wuhan lab that year:

https://nypost.com/2020/08/15/covid-19-first-appeared-in-chinese-miners-in-2012-scientists/

#Covid-12

Spoiler

The coronavirus may not have originated at a Wuhan wet market last year but 1,000 miles away in 2012 — deep in a Chinese mineshaft where workers came down with a mysterious, pneumonia-like illness after being exposed to bats.

Virologist Jonathan Latham and molecular biologist Allison Wilson, both of the non-profit Bioscience Resource Project in Ithaca, arrived at their finding after translating a 66-page master’s thesis from the Chinese medical doctor who treated the miners and sent their tissue samples to the Wuhan Institute of Virology for testing.

“The evidence it contains has led us to reconsider everything we thought we knew about the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic,” Latham and Wilson wrote in an article published July 15 on their website, “Independent Science News.”

Latham told The Post that the coronavirus “almost certainly escaped” from the Wuhan lab.

In April 2012, six miners in the Mojiang mine in southwestern China’s Yunnan province fell ill after spending more than 14 days removing bat feces. Three eventually died.

In his thesis, the physician Li Xu, who treated the miners, describes how the patients had a high fever, a dry cough, sore limbs and, in some cases, headaches — all symptoms now associated with COVID-19, said Latham and Wilson.

How the miners were treated — for example, with ventilation and a variety of drugs including steroids, blood thinners and antibiotics — also resembles how COVID-19 patients are being treated worldwide, they said.

After conducting multiple tests for hepatitis, dengue fever and even HIV, the doctor consulted with various specialists throughout China, including virologist Zhong Nanshan, an international hero who managed the SARS outbreak in 2003 and is considered the country’s greatest scientist.

“The remote meeting with Zhong Nanshan is significant,” Latham and Wilson said. “It implies that the illnesses of the six miners were of high concern and, second, that a SARS-like coronavirus was considered a likely cause.”

SARS-like coronavirus was considered a likely cause.”

The doctor also sent sample tissues from the miners to the Wuhan lab, a focal point of coronavirus research in China. There, scientists found the source of infection was a SARS-like coronavirus from a Chinese rufous horseshoe bat, according to the thesis.

Latham and Wilson believe the virus — once inside the miners — “evolved” into SARS CoV-2, “an unusually pathogenic coronavirus highly adapted to humans,” and the samples somehow escaped from the lab last year, launching what has morphed into the coronavirus pandemic.

The New York scientists labeled their COVID-19 origins hypothesis “the Mojiang Miners Passage”; “passaging” is a virologic term for adapting viruses to new species, they said.

Although scientists at the Wuhan lab had collected coronavirus samples from bats at the same mine, they missed the 2012 connection, Latham told The Post.

In fact, Shi Zhengli, a virologist at the Wuhan lab who is known as “the batwoman” for her extensive research into bat-derived coronaviruses, told Scientific American in June that the miners had died from a fungal infection, “although it would have been only a matter of time before they caught the coronaviruses if the mine had not been promptly shut,” the magazine reported.

“The mine shaft stunk like hell,” Shi told the magazine. “Bat guano, covered in fungus, littered the cave.”

Reaction to the Latham-Wilson finding has been gradually gaining positive reviews from the scientific community in the US.  Renowned American geneticist and molecular engineer George Church shared their work on Twitter in July. The tweet garnered 304 retweets and 403 likes. Stuart Newman, a leading expert on cell biology and anatomy at New York Medical College in Westchester called it “the best sourced explanation yet of the origins of #SARSCoV2” in a July 19 tweet about the report.

“We feel that it’s being circulated underground in the scientific community,” Latham said. “People think it has merit, but they are reluctant to go public because the coronavirus has become very politicized.”

Chinese officials claim the coronavirus, which has infected more than 19 million worldwide and killed nearly 800,000, originated in Wuhan in December, when it crossed the species barrier from animals on sale at the Huanan seafood market.

But many scientists still question the infection’s origins, especially after the market was cleaned up and shut down by government officials almost as soon as the pandemic began to spread.

 

Edited August 16, 2020 by clapclapclap

[Message Board User 12395]

 

[atomheartbevo 89656]

Mr. Bahnsen doesn't understand the concept of "if it bleeds, it leads".

[MNLonghornFUKM 8817]

Did Arizona shut down like Texas? I don’t think they did. Where are we at when UA & ASU start up and and this time next time in Sept and Oct we’re looking at no exponential spikes? Is covid flat out over with for Arizona’s population? Are they able to go back closer normal before a vaccine?

 

 

Same with Florida and Texas...

 

 

The Midwest is seeing their days of high cases, not exactly an exponential growth because we don’t have the populations the south, west, Florida and NE have.

[AUS-97HORN 11758]

i really thought the anti-maskers were a completely American thing...

 

turns out half of Madrid feels oppressed by masks as well    

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-53802226/coronavirus-hundreds-gather-in-madrid-for-anti-mask-protest

[utee94 15820]

11 minutes ago, AUS-97HORN said:

i really thought the anti-maskers were a completely American thing...

 

turns out half of Madrid feels oppressed by masks as well    

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-53802226/coronavirus-hundreds-gather-in-madrid-for-anti-mask-protest

Why on Earth would you think that? I have no idea why some people think people in other countries are significantly different or "better" than Americans.  

Just last month, a French bus driver was beaten to death when he asked riders to adhere to French laws and wear masks on public transport. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53367432

 

[Surly Bevo 24908]

Morons Without Borders

[dcar00 14181]

4 hours ago, clapclapclap said:

The China Flu in humans may trace back to at least 2012, and samples were sent to the Wuhan lab that year:

https://nypost.com/2020/08/15/covid-19-first-appeared-in-chinese-miners-in-2012-scientists/

#Covid-12

  Hide contents

The coronavirus may not have originated at a Wuhan wet market last year but 1,000 miles away in 2012 — deep in a Chinese mineshaft where workers came down with a mysterious, pneumonia-like illness after being exposed to bats.

Virologist Jonathan Latham and molecular biologist Allison Wilson, both of the non-profit Bioscience Resource Project in Ithaca, arrived at their finding after translating a 66-page master’s thesis from the Chinese medical doctor who treated the miners and sent their tissue samples to the Wuhan Institute of Virology for testing.

“The evidence it contains has led us to reconsider everything we thought we knew about the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic,” Latham and Wilson wrote in an article published July 15 on their website, “Independent Science News.”

Latham told The Post that the coronavirus “almost certainly escaped” from the Wuhan lab.

In April 2012, six miners in the Mojiang mine in southwestern China’s Yunnan province fell ill after spending more than 14 days removing bat feces. Three eventually died.

In his thesis, the physician Li Xu, who treated the miners, describes how the patients had a high fever, a dry cough, sore limbs and, in some cases, headaches — all symptoms now associated with COVID-19, said Latham and Wilson.

How the miners were treated — for example, with ventilation and a variety of drugs including steroids, blood thinners and antibiotics — also resembles how COVID-19 patients are being treated worldwide, they said.

After conducting multiple tests for hepatitis, dengue fever and even HIV, the doctor consulted with various specialists throughout China, including virologist Zhong Nanshan, an international hero who managed the SARS outbreak in 2003 and is considered the country’s greatest scientist.

“The remote meeting with Zhong Nanshan is significant,” Latham and Wilson said. “It implies that the illnesses of the six miners were of high concern and, second, that a SARS-like coronavirus was considered a likely cause.”

SARS-like coronavirus was considered a likely cause.”

The doctor also sent sample tissues from the miners to the Wuhan lab, a focal point of coronavirus research in China. There, scientists found the source of infection was a SARS-like coronavirus from a Chinese rufous horseshoe bat, according to the thesis.

Latham and Wilson believe the virus — once inside the miners — “evolved” into SARS CoV-2, “an unusually pathogenic coronavirus highly adapted to humans,” and the samples somehow escaped from the lab last year, launching what has morphed into the coronavirus pandemic.

The New York scientists labeled their COVID-19 origins hypothesis “the Mojiang Miners Passage”; “passaging” is a virologic term for adapting viruses to new species, they said.

Although scientists at the Wuhan lab had collected coronavirus samples from bats at the same mine, they missed the 2012 connection, Latham told The Post.

In fact, Shi Zhengli, a virologist at the Wuhan lab who is known as “the batwoman” for her extensive research into bat-derived coronaviruses, told Scientific American in June that the miners had died from a fungal infection, “although it would have been only a matter of time before they caught the coronaviruses if the mine had not been promptly shut,” the magazine reported.

“The mine shaft stunk like hell,” Shi told the magazine. “Bat guano, covered in fungus, littered the cave.”

Reaction to the Latham-Wilson finding has been gradually gaining positive reviews from the scientific community in the US.  Renowned American geneticist and molecular engineer George Church shared their work on Twitter in July. The tweet garnered 304 retweets and 403 likes. Stuart Newman, a leading expert on cell biology and anatomy at New York Medical College in Westchester called it “the best sourced explanation yet of the origins of #SARSCoV2” in a July 19 tweet about the report.

“We feel that it’s being circulated underground in the scientific community,” Latham said. “People think it has merit, but they are reluctant to go public because the coronavirus has become very politicized.”

Chinese officials claim the coronavirus, which has infected more than 19 million worldwide and killed nearly 800,000, originated in Wuhan in December, when it crossed the species barrier from animals on sale at the Huanan seafood market.

But many scientists still question the infection’s origins, especially after the market was cleaned up and shut down by government officials almost as soon as the pandemic began to spread.

 

dumbass chinese should have called aggy to remove the bat feces...National Champs in bat feces/guano removal.

[El Diablo 4232]

Even TTech has a masked rider. 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

50 minutes ago, utee94 said:

Why on Earth would you think that? I have no idea why some people think people in other countries are significantly different or "better" than Americans.  

Just last month, a French bus driver was beaten to death when he asked riders to adhere to French laws and wear masks on public transport. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53367432

 

 The Moron high ground knows no peak or geographical epicenter.

[Message Board User 12395]

 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

3 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

 

And I just saw a press release from her that said they'd kicked covids ass.

[Message Board User 12395]

 

[Blotto 23498]

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/us/osu-sorority-covid-trnd/index.html

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An Oklahoma State University sorority house is under quarantine after 23 members tested positive for Covid-19, according to the university.

"Last night OSU officials learned of 23 positive COVID cases in an off-campus sorority house. The rapid antigen testing was performed at an off-campus health care facility," a statement from the university read.

The entire sorority house is in isolation or quarantine after the confirmed cases, and residents "will be prohibited from leaving the facility," the university said.

All of those young nubile scholars just locked up in their sorority house, probably a little scared, possibly all running a fever, just hot and bothered. Can we get a webcam?

[Message Board User 12395]

7 minutes ago, Blotto said:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/us/osu-sorority-covid-trnd/index.html

All of those young nubile scholars just locked up in their sorority house, probably a little scared, possibly all running a fever, just hot and bothered. Can we get a webcam?

No webcam, but I got a couple pics from the web.  Sorry - s'all I got.

[Surly Bevo 24908]

21 minutes ago, Blotto said:

Can we get a webcam?

Lewis Skolnick....a lonely nation turns its eyes to you

[Eastwood 4394]

50 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

 

From the reputable source... Looks at sheet... The Data Donald.

[JimmyJames 12271]

Who is the data donald?

[GRHorn 105]

On 8/15/2020 at 12:51 PM, ChiTownDoc said:

Of course there's a chance of a false negative...

Also, there's LOTS of patients who got it, that it should have been really fucking bad, and they literally barely had any symptoms if any.  They've been blanket testing entire nursing homes for a while here and you'd be amazed at the multiple positives on patients who have every co-morbidity known to mankind but breeze right through.  I'm not saying don't be careful, but also don't panic.  

I think the T cell immunity is why. This thread kind of encapsulates what I’ve been thinking recently. If you get the bad flare, and 20% positive antibodies, I think you’re essentially done. 

 

[ChiTownDoc 21152]

8 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

I think the T cell immunity is why. This thread kind of encapsulates what I’ve been thinking recently. If you get the bad flare, and 20% positive antibodies, I think you’re essentially done. 

 

I actually totally agree on the T cell part.  That graph is kind of comparing apples to oranges with population density etc.  But I agree on T cells explaining being closer to herd immunity than ab testing would show...for sure.  I'm really starting to get optimistic that we don't see a second flare up in big cities.  One thing that's odd is in our group of 15 that all ended up with it in early March - only two of the 15 didn't show antibodies.  You'd think it would be more than that and the others fought it with T cells and didn't show antibodies.  And all 15 got it after being at a conference together. 

Also the severity had nothing to do with comorbidities...the 6-7 with type O blood did really well, even with a fatty or two in that group.  And the others did worse - especially Type A.  Harvard has a study out in July that showed no correlation at all and I'm sure their study is better than mine but I don't buy it (other studies have shown correlation that I'm discussing too). 

[GRHorn 105]

7 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

I actually totally agree on the T cell part.  That graph is kind of comparing apples to oranges with population density etc.  But I agree on T cells explaining being closer to herd immunity than ab testing would show...for sure.  I'm really starting to get optimistic that we don't see a second flare up in big cities.  One thing that's odd is in our group of 15 that all ended up with it in early March - only two of the 15 didn't show antibodies.  You'd think it would be more than that and the others fought it with T cells and didn't show antibodies.  And all 15 got it after being at a conference together. 

Also the severity had nothing to do with comorbidities...the 6-7 with type O blood did really well, even with a fatty or two in that group.  And the others did worse - especially Type A.  Harvard has a study out in July that showed no correlation at all and I'm sure their study is better than mine but I don't buy it (other studies have shown correlation that I'm discussing too). 

I’ve been grappling with trying to figure out why it seems that everywhere it really blows up, it flares almost the exact same pattern regardless of the measures being taken. This connects the dots in my mind. 
 

The tweeter is right that Sweden not doing anything overtly helps confirm the hypothesis. It’s great news overall. 

[atomheartbevo 89656]

3 hours ago, Message Board User said:

 

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How does the rest of America not know that Fla/Az/Tx/Ga have not only survived but is thriving! Life to a large degree has returned to normal

[dcar00 14181]

1 hour ago, GRHorn said:

I’ve been grappling with trying to figure out why it seems that everywhere it really blows up, it flares almost the exact same pattern regardless of the measures being taken. This connects the dots in my mind. 
 

The tweeter is right that Sweden not doing anything overtly helps confirm the hypothesis. It’s great news overall. 

Its an 8-9 week cycle/flare but then I was told that a virus has no calendar and that its all based on mask usage.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19101]

We will see how New York City goes.  Cultural Institutions are going to be allowed to reopen on August 24, so that includes museums like the Met, the Guggenheim, the Natural History Museum, etc...

Cuomo is supposed to give more updates about gyms today as well.  

Schools in NYC are slated to reopen on September 8 (I believe), so that will be another data point to follow.

So far, with every reopening, NYC has not seen a spike.  Of course, mask wearing indoors is at 100%.