Formerly DT: COVID-19 - Featuring Lots of Politics, now CR because political talk not going away

[utee94 16088]

10 minutes ago, Hpara759 said:

I got my Pfizer vaccine (or placebo) yesterday afternoon, so far today all I have to report is a sore injection site. Scheduled for the second one in 3 weeks.

 

5 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Nice. Thank you for sacrificing your life for the rest of us. We will remember you fondly. 

 

I guess it's time to get the wreath fund going again.

 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8984]

I’ll set up the gofundme

[Lurch 5950]

Goodluckwereallcountingonyou.gif

[Homercles 10206]

3 hours ago, Cheeseweasel said:

I look forward to seeing FitLump in her Paul Quinn College T-shirt.

[Hate 20249]

I got my Pfizer vaccine (or placebo) yesterday afternoon, so far today all I have to report is a sore injection site. Scheduled for the second one in 3 weeks.

Good luck to you and to all of us.

[Scary Stranger 1725]

See you soon!

[Surly Bevo 25748]

6 hours ago, Hpara759 said:

I got my Pfizer vaccine (or placebo) yesterday afternoon, so far today all I have to report is a sore injection site. Scheduled for the second one in 3 weeks.

How hard is your wang?  And remember more than 4 hours of wang hardness....seek treatment

[Message Board User 12405]

On 9/8/2020 at 8:23 PM, Neonmoon said:

https://www.wpxi.com/news/top-stories/cal-u-football-player-son-former-steeler-reportedly-dies-covid-19-complications/Z6YOCOQBRZHVLHDR2FQ3IQK2VY/

don’t know if he made it back to campus or not. Football was postponed

Another case of Covid-related misinformation.

 

[bolverk 30323]

55 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

Another case of Covid-related misinformation.

 

His friend said he had died of it and the school ran with it in a FB post. The family?

Quote

"Nobody in the Stephens family has confirmed his cause of death, nor has the family issued a statement."

So the school took it down and apologized. I wouldn't call that "misinformation" from some media/official source with an agenda as you're falsely implying.

[Message Board User 12405]

20 minutes ago, bolverk said:

His friend said he had died of it and the school ran with it in a FB post. The family?

So the school took it down and apologized. I wouldn't call that "misinformation" from some media/official source with an agenda as you're falsely implying.

I don't think the media makes shit up.  But I do think this is part of the problem this year - if the information is consistent with their narrative (i.e., if it "rings true"), then they don't properly vet the info.

I mean c'mon, I've never taken a journalism class, but I am assuming they teach things like how to verify, fact-check, and thoroughly source information?  Running with this from a FB post that was undoubtedly retweeted thousands of times?  Embarrassing.  And misleading.

[Incredulity 11876]

5 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

I don't think the media makes shit up.  But I do think this is part of the problem this year - if the information is consistent with their narrative (i.e., if it "rings true"), then they don't properly vet the info.

I mean c'mon, I've never taken a journalism class, but I am assuming they teach things like how to verify, fact-check, and thoroughly source information?  Running with this from a FB post that was undoubtedly retweeted thousands of times?  Embarrassing.  And misleadin

Edited September 11, 2020 by Incredulity
Nm

[InkaUtexas 26889]

44 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

I don't think the media makes shit up.  But I do think this is part of the problem this year - if the information is consistent with their narrative (i.e., if it "rings true"), then they don't properly vet the info.

I mean c'mon, I've never taken a journalism class, but I am assuming they teach things like how to verify, fact-check, and thoroughly source information?  Running with this from a FB post that was undoubtedly retweeted thousands of times?  Embarrassing.  And misleading.

Sure, real journalist know that. It was on Twitter. 

[wild_turkey 3296]

I just clicked through some COVID numbers from around the world. Places in Europe are spiking - notably Spain, France, and UK.

China...holy shit. They are reporting no new deaths since May and hardly any new cases. Is the rest of the world really expected to believe that? What in the hell is going on there?

[dcar00 14971]

5 minutes ago, wild_turkey said:

I just clicked through some COVID numbers from around the world. Places in Europe are spiking - notably Spain, France, and UK.

China...holy shit. They are reporting no new deaths since May and hardly any new cases. Is the rest of the world really expected to believe that? What in the hell is going on there?

communism..and likely buttsecks.

[Surly Bevo 25748]

You test positive they deposit a bullet in your brain before the Covid can get ya.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

9 hours ago, Message Board User said:

I don't think the media makes shit up.  But I do think this is part of the problem this year - if the information is consistent with their narrative (i.e., if it "rings true"), then they don't properly vet the info.

I mean c'mon, I've never taken a journalism class, but I am assuming they teach things like how to verify, fact-check, and thoroughly source information?  Running with this from a FB post that was undoubtedly retweeted thousands of times?  Embarrassing.  And misleading.

Not anymore. I listened to an NPR report where a "journalist" from a journalism school said who, what, when, where, and why was outdated.  Now it's about trying  to create a message, not inform people of facts in journalism schools.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

7 hours ago, wild_turkey said:

I just clicked through some COVID numbers from around the world. Places in Europe are spiking - notably Spain, France, and UK.

China...holy shit. They are reporting no new deaths since May and hardly any new cases. Is the rest of the world really expected to believe that? What in the hell is going on there?

Ancient Chinese secret ?

[Cheeseweasel 26439]

8 hours ago, wild_turkey said:

Is the rest of the world really expected to believe that?

[BradInATX 9208]

11 hours ago, wild_turkey said:

I just clicked through some COVID numbers from around the world. Places in Europe are spiking - notably Spain, France, and UK.

China...holy shit. They are reporting no new deaths since May and hardly any new cases. Is the rest of the world really expected to believe that? What in the hell is going on there?

 

This is what gives me pause about the whole "herd immunity for places that had big early spikes" thing. Spain actually has more cases per day now than they did when Covid was running train on them in March/April.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8984]

 

This is what gives me pause about the whole "herd immunity for places that had big early spikes" thing. Spain actually has more cases per day now than they did when Covid was running train on them in March/April.

Spain has 46M people. Outbreak 1 was roughly 250k cases from ~March 1-May1. From July 1 when cases began to creep through Sept 10 they’ added about 280k cases, ~30k cases with the extra 10 September days.

 

250k+280k = 530k multiply by 10(rule of thumb)of unaccounted for cases= 5,300,000 divided by 46M= ~11.5% immunity. Not quite there.

[Newdoc 3511]

14 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

 

This is what gives me pause about the whole "herd immunity for places that had big early spikes" thing. Spain actually has more cases per day now than they did when Covid was running train on them in March/April.

Probably need to see where those cases are specifically. It could be previous low affected areas. The U.S. Rt is spiking in states that were relatively unscathed before. Strangely, Texas is less than one and has been for awhile. We’ll know better within the next 10 days to see if back to school and labor day causes a resurgence enough to move the reproduction number above one.

[Neonmoon 38130]

11 hours ago, wild_turkey said:

I just clicked through some COVID numbers from around the world. Places in Europe are spiking - notably Spain, France, and UK.

China...holy shit. They are reporting no new deaths since May and hardly any new cases. Is the rest of the world really expected to believe that? What in the hell is going on there?

They are absolutely lying 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-27/stacks-of-urns-in-wuhan-prompt-new-questions-of-virus-s-toll

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200608/Cremation-numbers-reveal-possible-suppression-of-true-COVID-19-data-in-China.aspx

 

[dcar00 14971]

3 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

They are absolutely lying 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-27/stacks-of-urns-in-wuhan-prompt-new-questions-of-virus-s-toll

https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200608/Cremation-numbers-reveal-possible-suppression-of-true-COVID-19-data-in-China.aspx

 

yeah I think the China is lying thing should be a given by now(about a lot of things).

[Neonmoon 38130]

Things that may have changed from initial onslaught to now. 

1. Virus is weaker - virus mutates in order to spread, if people are dead it cant' spread, so less lethal is better for virus

2. Medical treatment is better - doctors learned what works and what doesn't work. Ventilators bad, remedesivir good, prone position, etc, etc. 

3. Vulnerable population still in quarantine. Old people, people with health conditions, overweight people, are all being extremely cautious. 

4. Masks work to reduce spread. 

 

[Liquor and Poker 3659]

1 minute ago, Neonmoon said:

Things that may have changed from initial onslaught to now. 

1. Virus is weaker - virus mutates in order to spread, if people are dead it cant' spread, so less lethal is better for virus

2. Medical treatment is better - doctors learned what works and what doesn't work. Ventilators bad, remedesivir good, prone position, etc, etc. 

3. Vulnerable population still in quarantine. Old people, people with health conditions, overweight people, are all being extremely cautious. 

4. Masks work to reduce spread. 

 

Maybe 5 - the most vulnerable folks are already dead.

[dcar00 14971]

9 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Spain has 46M people. Outbreak 1 was roughly 250k cases from ~March 1-May1. From July 1 when cases began to creep through Sept 10 they’ added about 280k cases, ~30k cases with the extra 10 September days.

 

250k+280k = 530k multiply by 10(rule of thumb)of unaccounted for cases= 5,300,000 divided by 46M= ~11.5% immunity. Not quite there.

yeah but I think it is more about the age the cases are hitting.  are the cases in the new spikes mostly younger than the first spike?   the best scenario I can see is the older pop has been burned through and the younger pop hasn't yet so potentially the younger portion of the pop can get to "herd" quickly now and potentially burn itself out with them.

[Liquor and Poker 3659]

Not a huge shock here, but CDC says eating out is a major vector for spread:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6936a5.htm?s_cid=mm6936a5_w

"In this investigation, participants with and without COVID-19 reported generally similar community exposures, with the exception of going to locations with on-site eating and drinking options. Adults with confirmed COVID-19 (case-patients) were approximately twice as likely as were control-participants to have reported dining at a restaurant in the 14 days before becoming ill. In addition to dining at a restaurant, case-patients were more likely to report going to a bar/coffee shop, but only when the analysis was restricted to participants without close contact with persons with known COVID-19 before illness onset. Reports of exposures in restaurants have been linked to air circulation (7). Direction, ventilation, and intensity of airflow might affect virus transmission, even if social distancing measures and mask use are implemented according to current guidance. Masks cannot be effectively worn while eating and drinking, whereas shopping and numerous other indoor activities do not preclude mask use."

[Cheeseweasel 26439]

19 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

if people are dead it cant' spread,

Surly motto!

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Mistakes were made

Edited September 11, 2020 by Hugo Stiglitz

[Cheeseweasel 26439]

#TrumpLiedPeopleDied

Thanks for the "no politics" Hugo! 

[Trey3216 15452]

51 minutes ago, Liquor and Poker said:

Not a huge shock here, but CDC says eating out is a major vector for spread:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6936a5.htm?s_cid=mm6936a5_w

"In this investigation, participants with and without COVID-19 reported generally similar community exposures, with the exception of going to locations with on-site eating and drinking options. Adults with confirmed COVID-19 (case-patients) were approximately twice as likely as were control-participants to have reported dining at a restaurant in the 14 days before becoming ill. In addition to dining at a restaurant, case-patients were more likely to report going to a bar/coffee shop, but only when the analysis was restricted to participants without close contact with persons with known COVID-19 before illness onset. Reports of exposures in restaurants have been linked to air circulation (7). Direction, ventilation, and intensity of airflow might affect virus transmission, even if social distancing measures and mask use are implemented according to current guidance. Masks cannot be effectively worn while eating and drinking, whereas shopping and numerous other indoor activities do not preclude mask use."

Spread is kind of a pre-requisite for eating out  

[Bevo 13895]

32 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

I've been kind of pissed at her for her treatment of Brody. Karma is a bitch.

[Cheeseweasel 26439]

4 minutes ago, Bevo said:

I've been kind of pissed at her for her treatment of Brody. Karma is a bitch.

WATCH YOUR KIDS BETTER, BITCH!

[DDD Dad 14650]

5 hours ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Not anymore. I listened to an NPR report where a "journalist" from a journalism school said who, what, when, where, and why was outdated.  Now it's about trying  to create a message, not inform people of facts in journalism schools.

Media bias thread =====>

[Pato del Muerto 53502]

1 hour ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Spain has 46M people. Outbreak 1 was roughly 250k cases from ~March 1-May1. From July 1 when cases began to creep through Sept 10 they’ added about 280k cases, ~30k cases with the extra 10 September days.

 

250k+280k = 530k multiply by 10(rule of thumb)of unaccounted for cases= 5,300,000 divided by 46M= ~11.5% immunity. Not quite there.

There could be localized herd immunity though depending on how unevenly distributed the cases are, and I assume some portion of the population is rural and spread is lower there by virtue of natural distancing and fewer interactions. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

36 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

#TrumpLiedPeopleDied

Thanks for the "no politics" Hugo! 

I didn’t even notice the hashtag.  I apologize for this oversight on my part and will remove the post. 

[mdmost 44044]

1 hour ago, Liquor and Poker said:

Not a huge shock here, but CDC says eating out is a major vector for spread:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6936a5.htm?s_cid=mm6936a5_w

"In this investigation, participants with and without COVID-19 reported generally similar community exposures, with the exception of going to locations with on-site eating and drinking options. Adults with confirmed COVID-19 (case-patients) were approximately twice as likely as were control-participants to have reported dining at a restaurant in the 14 days before becoming ill. In addition to dining at a restaurant, case-patients were more likely to report going to a bar/coffee shop, but only when the analysis was restricted to participants without close contact with persons with known COVID-19 before illness onset. Reports of exposures in restaurants have been linked to air circulation (7). Direction, ventilation, and intensity of airflow might affect virus transmission, even if social distancing measures and mask use are implemented according to current guidance. Masks cannot be effectively worn while eating and drinking, whereas shopping and numerous other indoor activities do not preclude mask use."

Well guys who don't give their ladies oral enjoyment are in the clear! HIOOOOOO!

[Pato del Muerto 53502]

1 hour ago, Liquor and Poker said:

Maybe 5 - the most vulnerable folks are already dead.

I assume new people are always moving into the most vulnerable category, but hopefully not at as high a rate as Covid was taking them out in the spring. 

[Pato del Muerto 53502]

1 hour ago, Liquor and Poker said:

Not a huge shock here, but CDC says eating out is a major vector for spread:

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6936a5.htm?s_cid=mm6936a5_w

"In this investigation, participants with and without COVID-19 reported generally similar community exposures, with the exception of going to locations with on-site eating and drinking options. Adults with confirmed COVID-19 (case-patients) were approximately twice as likely as were control-participants to have reported dining at a restaurant in the 14 days before becoming ill. In addition to dining at a restaurant, case-patients were more likely to report going to a bar/coffee shop, but only when the analysis was restricted to participants without close contact with persons with known COVID-19 before illness onset. Reports of exposures in restaurants have been linked to air circulation (7). Direction, ventilation, and intensity of airflow might affect virus transmission, even if social distancing measures and mask use are implemented according to current guidance. Masks cannot be effectively worn while eating and drinking, whereas shopping and numerous other indoor activities do not preclude mask use."

A fb friend who thinks he’s clever and also thinks this is all a conspiracy, just yesterday made a quip about why do kids in school have to keep masks on but patrons at restaurants don’t followed by that thinking emoji. 
I ignore these kinds of posts from both sides, as arguing is pointless, but o really wanted to tell him that the answer isn’t what he thinks it is, and that restaurant eating is unsafe as far as Covid spread is concerned. 
he’s in brokedick, Nevada so he can be as laissez faire as he wishes. 

[Hate 20249]

Yeah that report isn’t increasing my confidence for dining out. I think I’ll stick to getting to go orders for a while longer. It sucks, but I would think getting the ronas would suck worse.

[Foosters 18280]

I've gone to a few restaurants that have set up outdoor seating with distancing. Indoor dining still prohibited.

My main question is how you fuckers getting hair cuts? My hair is basically shoulder length and I dont relish the idea of someone hovering right above my face for 20 minutes.

[C-Man 27779]

15 hours ago, Message Board User said:

I don't think the media makes shit up.  But I do think this is part of the problem this year - if the information is consistent with their narrative (i.e., if it "rings true"), then they don't properly vet the info.

I mean c'mon, I've never taken a journalism class, but I am assuming they teach things like how to verify, fact-check, and thoroughly source information?  Running with this from a FB post that was undoubtedly retweeted thousands of times?  Embarrassing.  And misleading.

Speaking as somebody who has a Bachelor of Journalism from UT and been out of the business for nearly 15 years, all those rules and best practices have gone out the window with the proliferation of agenda-driven "news" organizations and the race to be first among the still-reputable sources. I wish we demanded better. But we don't. So here we are.

[justhookit 4206]

[Js1 87183]

12 minutes ago, Foosters said:

I've gone to a few restaurants that have set up outdoor seating with distancing. Indoor dining still prohibited.

My main question is how you fuckers getting hair cuts? My hair is basically shoulder length and I dont relish the idea of someone hovering right above my face for 20 minutes.

They are masked 

I am masked (have to hold it to my face when they do the sideburns and around the ears)

Temp checks 

Hand washing and gloves 

[Pato del Muerto 53502]

Haven’t had a haircut this year. Kinda like where it’s going so no plans to. 
 

my wife would like to have her hair trimmed but only one salon in town is requiring masks and she got the runaround when she tried to book a time so I think they are being super cautious with new clients. 

[Guest Lobo]

1 hour ago, Trey3216 said:

Spread is kind of a pre-requisite for eating out  

Your mom being spread is my pre-requisite for eating out.  

[Cheeseweasel 26439]

29 minutes ago, justhookit said:

It certainly does suck!

[GreenspointTexas 9969]

Yeah, indoors anywhere without a mask at any point is a bad idea

[Pato del Muerto 53502]

35 minutes ago, justhookit said:

Tangent- a friend of ours that is new in town asked about getting his haircut for his wedding. Said he hasn’t had it cut by a stylist in forever, maybe ever. His family used a flowbee when he was younger, and he has long hair so he usually just trims it himself. But he wanted a styling for his wedding. Anyway. an actual flowbee user. 

[Hate 20249]

My “stylist” runs it out of her house and we both wear masks while she is cutting my hair.