Formerly DT: COVID-19 - Featuring Lots of Politics, now CR because political talk not going away

[MNLonghornFUKM 8799]

Thanks for sharing.
“Disease severity necessitating oxygen therapy or ventilatory support was infrequent in both waves and was lower as a proportion of total admission in the second wave than in the first.”
Also,
“Importantly, we have found no evidence of more severe disease having occurred in children and young people during the second wave, suggesting that infection with the B.1.1.7 variant does not result in an appreciably different clinical course to the original strain. These findings are in keeping with early national data. Severe acute respiratory COVID-19 remains an uncommon occurrence in children and young people.”

It’s also an article that’s 2 months old.

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

Fauci is the worst spokesman ever.

[Pato del Muerto 52342]

3 minutes ago, Don Johnson said:

 

Nobody seems willing to believe that mask mandates and mask utilization don’t have a strong correlation.  The state eliminating the mandate doesn’t change the policies of county or city, private business, or personal choice. 
 

maybe evaluate those factors before you assume mask usage must have plummeted when the state mandate expired. 

[BabaYaga 15214]

10 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Nobody seems willing to believe that mask mandates and mask utilization don’t have a strong correlation.  The state eliminating the mandate doesn’t change the policies of county or city, private business, or personal choice. 
 

maybe evaluate those factors before you assume mask usage must have plummeted when the state mandate expired. 

Which was always the point for the most part.  Everyone had a case of the vapors on the mandate removal, then had to walk back their doom and gloom "every death from here on out is on you" nonsense.  Most places you still see a large percentage of wearers, even in places where there is no requirement to wear to enter.  In places where sings are clearly identifying the requirement, everyone wears.  

My guess is warmer weather and more and more people being outside where transmission is much more difficult is causing the decline, not the mask issues.  

[GRHorn 105]

21 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

It’s also an article that’s 2 months old.

I saw that but it was a 3 month sample where they could more accurately see effect of the variant. At the end of the sample period, it was 70% of infections. 

[gyroprotagonist 2591]

23 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Nobody seems willing to believe that mask mandates and mask utilization don’t have a strong correlation.  The state eliminating the mandate doesn’t change the policies of county or city, private business, or personal choice. 
 

maybe evaluate those factors before you assume mask usage must have plummeted when the state mandate expired. 

yeah, that's the big takeaway here.  States could have a mask mandate and it the citizens could be defying it left and right and still show an increase.  opposite is true with a no-mandate state where maybe the major cities are still mostly following masking and the cases could continue down as more and more folks are vaxxed.  

 

[Pato del Muerto 52342]

10 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Which was always the point for the most part.  Everyone had a case of the vapors on the mandate removal, then had to walk back their doom and gloom "every death from here on out is on you" nonsense.  Most places you still see a large percentage of wearers, even in places where there is no requirement to wear to enter.  In places where sings are clearly identifying the requirement, everyone wears.  

My guess is warmer weather and more and more people being outside where transmission is much more difficult is causing the decline, not the mask issues.  

There are issues with letting personal choice carry the day, from when does it become a public health risk to highest and best mask use is capturing the droplets coming out of the infected person, who may be asymptomatic or in denial about their health (its allergies/ a cold).  At a statewide level though it should be about information and empowering local municipalities to do as they need to in their own communities.  A blanket order from the state that applies to the entire state is way too broad, or should be if the localities could do and did do what they needed to to get any outbreaks under control.  

[Surly Bevo 24697]

Wait are folks saying that they think since the mask mandate being dropped that in Texas mask utilization is still as strong as it was?  Because while admittedly anecdotal...no fucking way.  I've been fully vaxxed for a while now so I sort of read the room on places.  If folks are wearing masks, I wear a mask...it's no sweat off my balls and not looking to make people uncomfortable, if they are not I don't (I trust the vaccine).  I have found myself more and more in the second situation.

And this is where the answer just sucks.  You shouldn't opine, if's ok to say "yea it's been a month, it's an interesting trend and one we wouldn't have necessarily expected so we need to look into it further to see what set of variables is driving the outcome to be different than what we might have expected to see."  You can even go on to say that you still believe in mask wearing blah blah blah to drive that point home.

[Skipper 6103]

The continued fear mongering shit is what is getting me.   Watched one of the national news shows last night and big headlines on the "Fourth Surge" and some public official (not federal govt, some local guy from midwest or NE) saying we could be weeks away from hospitals being overrun again, etc.   I mean absent vaccines not working against a variant or a variant causing more severe cases in younger population that's pretty much statistically impossible at this point given where we are in the vaccination process.   Why can't people just make the point that it would be a shame to get sick or die this close to vaccination so to be safe just a while longer without the over-the-top fear porn that makes anyone remotely intelligent roll their eyes?   You completely waste any useful messaging when it's littered with intellectually ridiculous arguments.

I've been pretty conservative throughout the pandemic but I'm starting to think there really is something to there being a certain segment of population that will fight any sense of normalcy until there is zero risk of getting sick (which was never the fucking point).

[Kyle 207]

2 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Nobody seems willing to believe that mask mandates and mask utilization don’t have a strong correlation.  The state eliminating the mandate doesn’t change the policies of county or city, private business, or personal choice. 
 

maybe evaluate those factors before you assume mask usage must have plummeted when the state mandate expired. 

100%. However (not you per se), why all the histrionics about the state lifting the mandate? That's why this conversation always feels like starting with a conclusion and picking facts to meet it: 1) California cases spike after it locks down in December ... it's just crazy anti-maskers defying the order; 2) Texas cases fall after the state mandate is lifted ... people are responsible and still wear masks. For me (and I think others) this is partly why it is hard to take many seriously when it comes to so-called "science." When the answer always is the answer regardless of the data one is not discussing facts or science but an agenda.

[GRHorn 105]

18 minutes ago, Skipper said:

The continued fear mongering shit is what is getting me.   Watched one of the national news shows last night and big headlines on the "Fourth Surge" and some public official (not federal govt, some local guy from midwest or NE) saying we could be weeks away from hospitals being overrun again, etc.   I mean absent vaccines not working against a variant or a variant causing more severe cases in younger population that's pretty much statistically impossible at this point given where we are in the vaccination process.   Why can't people just make the point that it would be a shame to get sick or die this close to vaccination so to be safe just a while longer without the over-the-top fear porn that makes anyone remotely intelligent roll their eyes?   You completely waste any useful messaging when it's littered with intellectually ridiculous arguments.

I've been pretty conservative throughout the pandemic but I'm starting to think there really is something to there being a certain segment of population that will fight any sense of normalcy until there is zero risk of getting sick (which was never the fucking point).

Yes the fourth wave of kids getting it and having the same disease course as before and not passing it to their vaccinated family members. Sounds terrifying. 

[Kyle 207]

2 hours ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Fauci is the worst spokesman ever.

He's an all around disaster. The worst was last year's All Star Game when he wore a damn mask to through out the first pitch and then was seen in the stands without it. Not to mention his initial (correct) assessment that masks are not really effective and his silly walkback around "I did not not want to cause a run on PPE." 

[Guest Lobo]

He took his mask off to have some water.  It wasn't the scandal it was made out to be.  He has made a handful of communication missteps in the last 15 months.  I choose to look at the broader scientific narrative on Covid-19.  If what a national leader said 12 months ago, or walked back, was a career-ender...there's be nobody left in our government.  The catalog of errors made by people ranking above Fauci will be poured over and mocked by our great-grandchildren, and rightfully so.  All of these people failed us.  Some...more than others.  

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

12 minutes ago, Kyle said:

However (not you per se), why all the histrionics about the state lifting the mandate?

Consider the sources for all the Doom Porn: Cable News & Social Media. They want eyes on them and "everything is getting better" doesn't bring the boom.

[Don Johnson 4745]

24 minutes ago, Skipper said:

The continued fear mongering shit is what is getting me.   Watched one of the national news shows last night and big headlines on the "Fourth Surge" and some public official (not federal govt, some local guy from midwest or NE) saying we could be weeks away from hospitals being overrun again, etc.   I mean absent vaccines not working against a variant or a variant causing more severe cases in younger population that's pretty much statistically impossible at this point given where we are in the vaccination process.   Why can't people just make the point that it would be a shame to get sick or die this close to vaccination so to be safe just a while longer without the over-the-top fear porn that makes anyone remotely intelligent roll their eyes?   You completely waste any useful messaging when it's littered with intellectually ridiculous arguments.

I've been pretty conservative throughout the pandemic but I'm starting to think there really is something to there being a certain segment of population that will fight any sense of normalcy until there is zero risk of getting sick (which was never the fucking point).

All of this.  Just a microcosm of today's world.  If you stray from your corner even a bit, you get destroyed.  

 

4 minutes ago, Lobo said:

He took his mask off to have some water.  It wasn't the scandal it was made out to be.  He has made a handful of communication missteps in the last 15 months.  I choose to look at the broader scientific narrative on Covid-19.  If what a national leader said 12 months ago, or walked back, was a career-ender...there's be nobody left in our government.  The catalog of errors made by people ranking above Fauci will be poured over and mocked by our great-grandchildren, and rightfully so.  All of these people failed us.  Some...more than others.  

The Fauci All Star thing was silly.  He didn't do a thing wrong.  Regarding his role in all this, Fauci said it best himself.  He, and those like him, are just a piece of the puzzle.  Unfortunately, one side sees his word as the end-all-be-all, the other sees it as bullshit.

“I’m a scientist, a physician and a public health official. I give advice according to the best scientific evidence. ... I don’t give advice about economic things. I don’t give advice about anything other than public health.”

[Kyle 207]

1 minute ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Consider the sources for all the Doom Porn: Cable News & Social Media. They want eyes on them and "everything is getting better" doesn't bring the boom.

I hope that's all it is ... it's scary people still actually believe what they promote.

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

1 minute ago, Kyle said:

I hope that's all it is ... it's scary people still actually believe what they promote.

Some people are easily influenced. 

[Skipper 6103]

7 minutes ago, Lobo said:

He took his mask off to have some water.  

LOL.  This reminded me of another point that pissed me off recently.  Was at f'n Disney on ice with the family last week.  The arena is at like 20% capacity.  There is nobody in row in front or behind me.  Nearest person to me was probably 12 feet away.  They are selling beer so I have a beer.  And I have some damn usher (in the middle of the show) yell at me for not wearing a mask while my kid is in lap and beer in my free hand.  I point to my beer and she says I could only take mask off to sip the beer.    I mean give me a break.   First of all, I'm fully vaccinated and I'm sure many others were as well.  But in any event if you are at Disney on Ice during a pandemic I think it's fair to say you are accepting some risk of exposure.  So if you are going to profit by holding an event and selling food/concessions - maybe cool it with the mask nazi nonsense while seated in a socially distanced arena.

[Herbie Hancock 7310]

When the data are in, the excess number of  children and adolescents committing suicide likely far surpass those dying from COVID.  But more talk about ranch sizes please.  

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2021/04/06/suicide-leading-cause-traumatic-death-young-patients-texas-hospital/?fbclid=IwAR1yXbT1rDuJmeW-SISbEVJGpn-zTKA-SDggxyefX3M4sJyGWAWnA2MFG3I

[Guest Lobo]

I just pull a Ted Stryker and throw the beer straight onto my mask.  Sure a lot of drips off me and onto my clothes, but enough seeps through...you get a decent buzz after enough tries.  

But yeah, the Fauci hate reminds me of Kramer when he tells Jerry he thinks Mom 'n Pop stole his sneakers.  And yes, it all comes back to Seinfeld.

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

7 minutes ago, Skipper said:

So if you are going to profit by holding an event and selling food/concessions - maybe cool it with the mask nazi nonsense while seated in a socially distanced arena.

I think the Karens of the world have been empowered and they will fight to the end before giving it up.

[BabaYaga 15214]

5 minutes ago, Skipper said:

And I have some damn usher (in the middle of the show) yell at me for not wearing a mask while my kid is in lap and beer in my free hand. 

All this yelling about doing this or doing that, it gives so many the opportunity to grasp a little power for themselves.  Everyone fucking loves being able to tell others what to do.  

It's the Stanford Prison experiment in real time each and every day with people feeling justified at barking at others

[Kyle 207]

6 minutes ago, Skipper said:

LOL.  This reminded me of another point that pissed me off recently.  Was at f'n Disney on ice with the family last week.  The arena is at like 20% capacity.  There is nobody in row in front or behind me.  Nearest person to me was probably 12 feet away.  They are selling beer so I have a beer.  And I have some damn usher (in the middle of the show) yell at me for not wearing a mask while my kid is in lap and beer in my free hand.  I point to my beer and she says I could only take mask off to sip the beer.    I mean give me a break.   First of all, I'm fully vaccinated and I'm sure many others were as well.  But in any event if you are at Disney on Ice during a pandemic I think it's fair to say you are accepting some risk of exposure.  So if you are going to profit by holding an event and selling food/concessions - maybe cool it with the mask nazi nonsense while seated in a socially distanced arena.

Karens going to Karen ... at least the usher at the Ranger games acknowledged my hands were full when he admonished me to put my mask back on ... I'm with you as shocking as it will be to many ... adults are capable of processing information and making their own unique risk-assessment and related decisions ... if one is attending  a sporting event or performance, I assume one has done the calculation and are will to accept that risk. And LOL at Fauci and water ... 

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

3 minutes ago, Lobo said:

the Fauci hate

No one (sane) hates him. We are just tired of his worn out bit. He's the Kenny Bania of Covid.

[Kyle 207]

26 minutes ago, Lobo said:

He took his mask off to have some water.  It wasn't the scandal it was made out to be.  He has made a handful of communication missteps in the last 15 months.  I choose to look at the broader scientific narrative on Covid-19.  If what a national leader said 12 months ago, or walked back, was a career-ender...there's be nobody left in our government.  The catalog of errors made by people ranking above Fauci will be poured over and mocked by our great-grandchildren, and rightfully so.  All of these people failed us.  Some...more than others.  

 

[Guest Lobo]

Before I take a sip of a beverage in public...I often pull my mask down/to the side.  I think 90% of sane adults do the same thing.  Or after I take a sip, the mask be off for a couple of seconds before I get it back on.  He's 80 years old, he doesn't have the lightning quick reflexes to mask, remove, sip, mask, remove, sip, mask, remove, sip, mask with each gulp at warp speed. 

Admittedly, I guess I don't get your point.  With 100 camera affixed on him, one caught him without a mask on between sips of his Dasani for a couple seconds outside without lots of people around?  

Edited April 6, 2021 by Lobo

[Kyle 207]

4 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Before I take a sip of a beverage in public...I often pull my mask down/to the side.  I think 90% of sane adults do the same thing.  Or after I take a sip, the mask be off for a couple of seconds before I get it back on.  He's 80 years old, he doesn't have the lightning quick reflexes to mask, remove, sip, mask, remove, sip, mask, remove, sip, mask with each gulp at warp speed.  I guess I don't get your point.  With 100 camera affixed on him, one caught him without a mask on between sips of his Dasani for a couple seconds outside without lots of people around?  

I admire your commitment.

[Guest Lobo]

I'm honestly just asking your point?   The guy took his mask off to sip some water.  Or wait, are you one of those Mackowiak disciples that didn't see the water bottle in his lap?  Like the blue dress/gold dress thing from a few years ago?  I had to give Matt some serious shit about that, two years before that photo...I have a photo of us at Nats game not too far from those seats with a caption of "Matt hammered in public.  Not seen:  the beer."  And the the beer is also in his cupholder."  He laughed, months later.  

Does the photo prove that he once didn't have a mask on in public?  Absolutely and unequivocally.  I frequently encourage those in my life to mask up in public but understand that sometimes people take them off to sip beverages.  Just use your big kid words and express to me what exactly the photo proves/proved.  In 9 months, nobody has ever been able to explain it to me.  

Edited April 6, 2021 by Lobo

[MNLonghornFUKM 8799]

LOL.  This reminded me of another point that pissed me off recently.  Was at f'n Disney on ice with the family last week.  The arena is at like 20% capacity.  There is nobody in row in front or behind me.  Nearest person to me was probably 12 feet away.  They are selling beer so I have a beer.  And I have some damn usher (in the middle of the show) yell at me for not wearing a mask while my kid is in lap and beer in my free hand.  I point to my beer and she says I could only take mask off to sip the beer.    I mean give me a break.   First of all, I'm fully vaccinated and I'm sure many others were as well.  But in any event if you are at Disney on Ice during a pandemic I think it's fair to say you are accepting some risk of exposure.  So if you are going to profit by holding an event and selling food/concessions - maybe cool it with the mask nazi nonsense while seated in a socially distanced arena.

Stupid.. but anything Disney is real strict on masks, but I guess if you’re going to operate indoors or try to keep things going...you’ll do anything and everything necessary to not screw it up. I didn’t once feel threatened by covid after going to WDW a few weeks ago. I do wish we could take masks off when not standing in line for a ride and just walking around the parks or resorts. My wife told me today that Disney is now saying you can remove masks for pictures starting in 2 days so the trend may be heading that way in the upcoming weeks

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

1 minute ago, Lobo said:

I'm honestly just asking your point?

The world hates people who preach "do as I say, not as I do". Why is that hard to understand?

[Sawbonz 27443]

3 hours ago, Don Johnson said:

 

I think we are closer to herd immunity than most estimates say. That is the most likely explanation for the drop in numbers

[MNLonghornFUKM 8799]

The continued fear mongering shit is what is getting me.   Watched one of the national news shows last night and big headlines on the "Fourth Surge" and some public official (not federal govt, some local guy from midwest or NE) saying we could be weeks away from hospitals being overrun again, etc.   I mean absent vaccines not working against a variant or a variant causing more severe cases in younger population that's pretty much statistically impossible at this point given where we are in the vaccination process.   Why can't people just make the point that it would be a shame to get sick or die this close to vaccination so to be safe just a while longer without the over-the-top fear porn that makes anyone remotely intelligent roll their eyes?   You completely waste any useful messaging when it's littered with intellectually ridiculous arguments.
I've been pretty conservative throughout the pandemic but I'm starting to think there really is something to there being a certain segment of population that will fight any sense of normalcy until there is zero risk of getting sick (which was never the fucking point).

You talking Osterholm and his next 6-14 weeks will be the deadliest and darkest? He said that back on Jan 27th

https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_60112bc5c5b6b8719d888159


And he’s dying on that hill

[Guest Lobo]

Cheese-Because he wasn't "not wearing a mask."  He took it off to drink.  Everybody does.  It's physics.  If he had just not shown up with one, or had one and not worn it all game, or had one around his chin from innings 1st-8th, or dropped it on the ground and just left it there.  That'd be hypocritical.  

I believe in safe sex.  But I don't always have my condom on with Kyle's mom.  I take it off for oral.  I'm a gentleman, she might not be able to eat latex.

Edited April 6, 2021 by Lobo

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

2 6-14 weeks!

 

[Kyle 207]

2 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Cheese-Because he wasn't "not wearing a mask."  He took it off to drink.  Everybody does.  It's physics.  If he had just not shown up with one, or had one and not worn it all game, or had one around his chin from innings 1st-8th, or dropped it on the ground and just left it there.  That'd be hypocritical.  

I believe in safe sex.  But I don't always have my condom on with Kyle's mom.  I take it off for oral.  I'm a gentleman, she might not be able to eat latex.

I bet you're a hoot at the Q meetings.

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

4 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Cheese-Because he wasn't "not wearing a mask."  He took it off to drink. 

Like the 2 year old girl on the plane that got her family kicked off? Rules for Thee, not for Me.

[Guest Lobo]

4 minutes ago, Kyle said:

I bet you're a hoot at the Q meetings.

How do you think I met your mother?  She falls for that hoax stuff, she'll certainly fall for my bullshit. 

But yeah, Fauci's routine has become tiresome.  But a 10-month old stock photo ain't exactly the strongest case against him.  10 months ago, I was stealing toilet paper from my campus office and googling whether or not I could drink the tito's hand sanitizer we had because I was too afraid of unmasked people at the liquor store.  We all get caught in the haze for ten seconds here and ther.e  

And that 2-year old girl had it coming.  She kept breaking the "so mister...long story, short" promise to me on the connecting flight before that.  I needed to get some sleep on that damn flight! 

Edited April 6, 2021 by Lobo

[BabaYaga 15214]

4 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Cheese-Because he wasn't "not wearing a mask."  He took it off to drink.  Everybody does.  It's physics.  If he had just not shown up with one, or had one and not worn it all game, or had one around his chin from innings 1st-8th, or dropped it on the ground and just left it there.  That'd be hypocritical.  

I believe in safe sex.  But I don't always have my condom on with Kyle's mom.  I take it off for oral.  I'm a gentleman, she might not be able to eat latex.

He's questioning the spin story that it was "just to take a drink".  It was off long enough for us "laymen" to get shit on by his army of Karen's that like to swoop down and police everyone else's behavior.

It's a pattern of inconsistency and double-talk that has accompanied this guy since day one.

[Neonmoon 38127]

 

https://www.axios.com/suicide-decreased-in-2020-pandemmic-mental-health-26196eaf-a245-4d21-85eb-eeb864a24449.html

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234
 

Suicides decreased in 2020

So scratch that off the talking points list 

But because I’m not a gotcha asshole, if you actually read the articles, you will see suicides have been on decline the past few years, but there was a big dip in April/May last year. All that being said, it seems like after the spike during 2017, 2018, 2019 has returned to the average. 

[washparkhorn 9935]

[gyroprotagonist 2591]

43 minutes ago, Kyle said:

He's an all around disaster. The worst was last year's All Star Game when he wore a damn mask to through out the first pitch and then was seen in the stands without it. Not to mention his initial (correct) assessment that masks are not really effective and his silly walkback around "I did not not want to cause a run on PPE." 

lol, finally an expert has weighed in.

Look, i am 1/2 vaxxed and am ready to not have to wear one in any scenario and I am sure my kids are ready to not wear one at school.  it still just astounds me that people can say masks don't make a difference.  Does a cloth mask 110% stop a virus particle from existing the moment it is expelled from your cakehole?  No.  Does it limit how far the particles from your breath travel?  Yes.  mission accomplished, mask.  thank you for your service.  couple that with not packing in places like sardines and it's a moderately effective tool to slow the spread of this airborne virus. 

In this time of give up, i agree with people that even requiring them at the Rangers game was stupid.  No one who bought a ticket to that game thought well I would be worried about spreading the virus sans mask, but I and everyone else will totally be safe since we are all wearing masks.  Still i am optimistic about getting deaths down to zero in the near future and let's get everyone vaxxed first before bemoaning about variants and potential variants.

[BabaYaga 15214]

1 minute ago, Neonmoon said:

 

https://www.axios.com/suicide-decreased-in-2020-pandemmic-mental-health-26196eaf-a245-4d21-85eb-eeb864a24449.html

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234
 

Suicides decreased in 2020

So scratch that off the talking points list 

But because I’m not a gotcha asshole, if you actually read the articles, you will see suicides have been on decline the past few years, but there was a big dip in April/May last year. All that being said, it seems like after the spike during 2017, 2018, 2019 has returned to the average. 

That whole spin article is utter nonsense.  Funny how "unintentional injury" had a massive spike.  Further, if you read it, it's provisional data.  

More COVID suicides than COVID deaths in children

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Although complete national suicide data for 2020 likely won't be publicly available until 2022, Redfield's claim is supported by the increase in calls and emails witnessed by mental illness hotlines.
Between March and August the National Alliance on Mental Illness HelpLine reported a 65% increase in calls and emails. The Trevor Project which targets suicide prevention among LGBTQ youth saw double its usual call volume. The jump in helpline calls hadn't let up by the end of 2020: in November Crisis Text Line received 180,000 calls its highest volume ever, and an increase of 30,000 from the previous month. Over 90% of those were from people under 35.

 

[Kyle 207]

2 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

That whole spin article is utter nonsense.  Funny how "unintentional injury" had a massive spike.  Further, if you read it, it's provisional data.  

More COVID suicides than COVID deaths in children

 

<TriggerWarning>
 

Spoiler

My wife is a teacher. There are myriad students for whom school is their safe space from emotionally and physically abusive homes as well as just the basic human need for companionship and social interactions. For kids, school is both intellectual and emotional / social development

 

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

12 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Hey look! A strawman!

[Neonmoon 38127]

Are you suggesting the National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) is hiding suicide deaths for political reasons?

[Kyle 207]

Just now, Cheeseweasel said:

Hey look! A strawman!

And without the courtesy to at least use a Jenny McCartney anti-vaxx meme ... 

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

Just now, Kyle said:

And without the courtesy to at least use a Jenny McCartney anti-vaxx meme ... 

[Brisketexan 104642]

2 minutes ago, Kyle said:

And without the courtesy to at least use a Jenny McCartney anti-vaxx meme ... 

Jenny McCartney.....the member of the Beatles with the best body?

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

Just now, Brisketexan said:

Jenny McCartney.....the member of the Beatles with the best body?

AKA, Lady Madonna. 

[Kyle 207]

Just now, Brisketexan said:

Jenny McCartney.....the member of the Beatles with the best body?

Dammit.