Formerly DT: COVID-19 - Featuring Lots of Politics, now CR because political talk not going away

[Hefeweizen 5444]

On 10/28/2020 at 4:34 PM, atomheartbevo said:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/28/politics/white-house-coronavirus-task-force-reports/index.html

 

 

As usual Texas can’t crack the top 25.  
 

Thanks Hermensa.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8984]

As usual Texas can’t crack the top 25.  
 
Thanks Hermensa.

Nothing wrong with receiving votes

[Scheiss Meister 8471]

Nm.

Edited October 30, 2020 by Scheiss Meister

[Scheiss Meister 8471]

We found out this morning that my nephew (mid-thirties, no underlying conditions) has his third separate case of Covid.  That's right, twice before he has had it, then tested negative repeatedly after recovering, and contracted it again.  This time, he has developed pneumonia, too.  This disease is one fucked up critter.

[Neonmoon 38130]

1 minute ago, Scheiss Meister said:

We found out this morning that my nephew (mid-thirties, no underlying conditions) has his third separate case of Covid.  That's right, twice before he has had it, then tested negative repeatedly after recovering, and contracted it again.  This time, he has developed pneumonia, too.  This disease is one fucked up critter.

This sounds like my coworker. He’s had it twice. Now mind you, he says he’s tested negative both times. His doctor has told him it’s most likely Covid both times because of his admitted exposure and corresponding symptoms. Thankfully nothing serious both times 

[Pato del Muerto 53505]

So wife was scheduled for a hair color session on Tuesday but got a text that morning that the lady had a slight fever so she closed and took a Covid test. Today she confirmed that she has it. The only salon in town that required masks on the entire visit. 

[kevwun 16438]

If somebody has managed to catch this 3 times already and they don't work in a doctor's office or hospital, they are a fucking moron.

[Scheiss Meister 8471]

Just now, kevwun said:

If somebody has managed to catch this 3 times already and they don't work in a doctor's office or hospital, they are a fucking moron.

Try school teacher.  And very, very far from a moron.  But he lives in East Texas, so he is surrounded by them.

[kevwun 16438]

I almost put schools in the list, but I didn't because they closed down in the spring and I figured there wasn't time for someone to get it that many times.

[Liquor and Poker 3659]

We're all going to be getting bimonthly vaccines in 6 months' time.  Not mandatory, but so close to it that it's a distinction without a difference.

[kevwun 16438]

I haven't seen anything that says a vaccine would have to be gotten that often.  I haven't seen anything more than once or twice a year if it doesn't provide permanent immunity.  There's also no way we could have that number of doses available in 6 months.  It's just not possible to produce it in a quantity that vast in a 6 month time period.

Edited October 30, 2020 by kevwun

[Surly Bevo 25748]

8 minutes ago, Liquor and Poker said:

We're all going to be getting bimonthly vaccines in 6 months' time.  Not mandatory, but so close to it that it's a distinction without a difference.

 

[BradInATX 9208]

11 hours ago, Hate said:

My little sister (no pics) has it now in Amarillo. She and her son (12) have it. I’m worried about her as she has always had issues with asthma. She says so far it have been like a bad flu, but she probably has another week ahead of her before she is through it. She has no idea where she caught it, but did say the parts of Amarillo she lives and works in the mask usage is at best 50%.

Our best to you, dude. Keep us updated.

[Newdoc 3511]

1 hour ago, Scheiss Meister said:

We found out this morning that my nephew (mid-thirties, no underlying conditions) has his third separate case of Covid.  That's right, twice before he has had it, then tested negative repeatedly after recovering, and contracted it again.  This time, he has developed pneumonia, too.  This disease is one fucked up critter.

What was the circumstance on the first two?  How close together? I have had several people tell me they had two infections 4 or so weeks apart when in reality they were still harboring genetic material from the first infection.  They may have "negative" test inbetween due to variables in sampling technique and the relative low volume of viral genetic material on mucosal surfaces.

[Hate 20249]

Our best to you, dude. Keep us updated.

Thanks all for the well wishes. I spoke to her this morning and she said she is slightly better but her son is doing a little worse. She said the worst part was the body aches and the fatigue. She said that her taste and smell are beginning to return, so hopefully that’s a sign she is almost over it. Most importantly for her and her son is that they haven’t had any breathing issues.

[Pato del Muerto 53505]

1 hour ago, Scheiss Meister said:

We found out this morning that my nephew (mid-thirties, no underlying conditions) has his third separate case of Covid.  That's right, twice before he has had it, then tested negative repeatedly after recovering, and contracted it again.  This time, he has developed pneumonia, too.  This disease is one fucked up critter.

Have his symptoms been similar each time, or has each infection affected him differently?

[Scheiss Meister 8471]

13 minutes ago, Newdoc said:

What was the circumstance on the first two?  How close together? I have had several people tell me they had two infections 4 or so weeks apart when in reality they were still harboring genetic material from the first infection.  They may have "negative" test inbetween due to variables in sampling technique and the relative low volume of viral genetic material on mucosal surfaces.

I don't exactly remember the timing of the first two infections, but I think that they were about six weeks apart.  This one is about eight weeks after the second.  It is not known how he caught it the first time.  The second time he was at a small gathering of some sort, and one of the others there went knowing that he was positive and contagious, and didn't wear a mask or let anyone else there know until it was too late.  I don't know about this time, but he and his wife are both teachers, and she came down with it last week, so I have a guess.

[Scheiss Meister 8471]

16 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Have his symptoms been similar each time, or has each infection affected him differently?

The first time his symptoms were pretty strong, with high fever and bad headaches.  The second time was milder, but still no fun.  Neither of those developed pneumonia.  I don't know about other symptoms with this go around.

[Bevo 13897]

19 minutes ago, Newdoc said:

What was the circumstance on the first two?  How close together? I have had several people tell me they had two infections 4 or so weeks apart when in reality they were still harboring genetic material from the first infection.  They may have "negative" test inbetween due to variables in sampling technique and the relative low volume of viral genetic material on mucosal surfaces.

Curious about sequela. My niece has myocarditis. Typically, I wouldn't be too worried about it. But, are you seeing any long-term effects like valve injury, etc?

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

1 hour ago, Liquor and Poker said:

We're all going to be getting bimonthly vaccines in 6 months' time.  Not mandatory, but so close to it that it's a distinction without a difference.

i hadn't really thought about it, but how will the 'it's a HOAX!' crowd handle the vaccine. surely they're not going to get it, right?

Edited October 30, 2020 by DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt
oops, thought i was in the mud

[Chewbacca 7830]

What was the circumstance on the first two?  How close together? I have had several people tell me they had two infections 4 or so weeks apart when in reality they were still harboring genetic material from the first infection.  They may have "negative" test inbetween due to variables in sampling technique and the relative low volume of viral genetic material on mucosal surfaces.

Yep. A friend of mine got it in NYC in early March. He was still testing positive on his weekly tests in June when they finally quit testing him. He never did test negative.

[atomheartbevo 90650]

3 hours ago, kevwun said:

If somebody has managed to catch this 3 times already and they don't work in a doctor's office or hospital, they are a fucking moron.

Only if they don't start playing the lottery.

[Newdoc 3511]

3 hours ago, Scheiss Meister said:

I don't exactly remember the timing of the first two infections, but I think that they were about six weeks apart.

Sounds like there is something seriously wrong with his immune system. Three infections then pneumonia on the third is in infectious disease bizzaro land. There is a possibility that the second infection was another viral illness while he still had remnants of Covid in his system. Just conjecture.

2 hours ago, Bevo said:

Curious about sequela. My niece has myocarditis. Typically, I wouldn't be too worried about it. But, are you seeing any long-term effects like valve injury, etc?

Not seeing the heart issues as frequently as feared. The data from college football players shows almost no significant numbers of people coming down with myocardial damage. If kids get myocarditis from Covid, then it is likely from the inflammatory condition Covid can cause that is similar to Kawasaki's disease. It's still pretty rare to get lasting myocardial damage as well.  We are seeing a surprising amount of fatigue and "shortness of breath" that doesn't show abnormalities on pulmonary or cardiac testing. 

[Foosters 18280]

4 hours ago, kevwun said:

If somebody has managed to catch this 3 times already and they don't work in a doctor's office or hospital, they are a fucking moron.

[Ghost of LL 15698]

These numbers out of the Dakotas are just amazing.  125 people testing positive out of 100,000 every day?

[Guest Lobo]

42 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

These numbers out of the Dakotas are just amazing.  125 people testing positive out of 100,000 every day?

Well of course there's gonna be more cases in the Dakotas than other places, America has more Dakotas than any other country!  

We have two.  Most places only have 1, or even zero!  More Dakotas=More Testing.  More Testing=More Cases.  

How many times we gotta show you guys the fucking maths on this?  2x more Dakotas=2x more Covid Cases.  

Don't fucking get me started on the Carolinas.  

Edited October 30, 2020 by Lobo

[Pato del Muerto 53505]

43 minutes ago, Ghost of LL said:

These numbers out of the Dakotas are just amazing.  125 people testing positive out of 100,000 every day?

It’s almost like a giant throng of non mask wearers descended on the population from all over the country recently, ate at their restaurants, slept at their hotels, bought things at their stores, drank at their bars, then headed home. 

[Chewbacca 7830]

It’s almost like a giant throng of non mask wearers descended on the population from all over the country recently, ate at their restaurants, slept at their hotels, bought things at their stores, drank at their bars, then headed home. 

Not just that, but they are not exactly a mask wearing group to begin with.

[Bevo 13897]

31 minutes ago, Chewbacca said:

32 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

It’s almost like a giant throng of non mask wearers descended on the population from all over the country recently, ate at their restaurants, slept at their hotels, bought things at their stores, drank at their bars, then headed home. 

Not just that, but they are not exactly a mask wearing group to begin with.

Not only that but Sturgis was August 7th. That gave the virus 3 months to spread and mutate and travel further north but not east after the naughty South Dakota rally.

[GreenspointTexas 9969]

another over-10% jump today. Almost 102,000 new cases today, beating yesterdays record

[XYZ 2154]

100k today in the USA

[HoustonFrog 368]

Yep. A friend of mine got it in NYC in early March. He was still testing positive on his weekly tests in June when they finally quit testing him. He never did test negative.

The CDC has this highlighted at the very top of their COVID page. After you get COVID you can continue testing positive for the next three months. That’s why all the football conferences have said don’t need to test for three months after having it.

At this point in time it’s virtually impossible for anyone in the USA to have had it three separate times

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4999]

On 10/29/2020 at 4:51 PM, B00M said:

Was mask wearing political during the Spanish flu? I assume plenty of folks didn't wear them out of ignorance or whatever but did any politicians latch onto it?

 

23 hours ago, pacman said:

 

 

 

Absolutely, there were posters and everything.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/anti-mask-sentiment-goes-back-100-years-to-spanish-flu-pandemic/ar-BB17wkMx

One thing to keep in mind when looking at these historical accounts is that germ theory was still relatively new from a historical perspective. The idea that there are biological organisms that cause us to get sick and we can't see was a new enough thing that there were probably lots of folks who disbelieved this fancy new science stuff.

[pacman 7508]

Comforting those people still exist a century later.  Idoits.

[Hefeweizen 5444]

5 hours ago, pacman said:

Comforting those people still exist a century later.  Idoits.

Proof Darwin didn't know shit!  Libtard scientist.

[Enchubben 5600]

18 hours ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

i hadn't really thought about it, but how will the 'it's a HOAX!' crowd handle the vaccine. surely they're not going to get it, right?

Is it a thing for the conservative folks to be anti vaccine in your experience? The most conservative people I know would take that shit in a heartbeat and ask others to do so as well so everything goes back to normal.

The very few anti vaccine people I’ve either interacted with or been connected to online we’re more of the hippy out there types that are certainly not the same covid hoax group.

Edited October 31, 2020 by Enchubben

[Scheiss Meister 8471]

8 hours ago, HoustonFrog said:

The CDC has this highlighted at the very top of their COVID page. After you get COVID you can continue testing positive for the next three months. That’s why all the football conferences have said don’t need to test for three months after having it.

At this point in time it’s virtually impossible for anyone in the USA to have had it three separate times

You can argue that with my nephew and his doctors.  I know that the medical community is working very hard to get a handle on Covid, but it will be years before they can shake out all the permutations and effects.  When measuring anything, the extremes of the Bell curve are very small numbers, but they do exist.

[Guest Lobo]

1 hour ago, Enchubben said:

Is it a thing for the conservative folks to be anti vaccine in your experience? The most conservative people I know would take that shit in a heartbeat and ask others to do so as well so everything goes back to normal.

The very few anti vaccine people I’ve either interacted with or been connected to online we’re more of the hippy out there types that are certainly not the same covid hoax group.

I don't have any stats about this except I live in Austin, Texas and run with a strange crowd---of which we have more than our fair share.  To me, the anti-vaccine people are like the home-school people...they tend to on the extreme ends of the political spectrum, but still well represented on both ends.  Then there's another outlier group within their outlier group and those are the vehemently apolitical group which is complete away from the fray of politics, even avoids most government  institutions including and especially their schools.  

But yeah, you never hear at a cocktail party, "I consider myself a fiscally conservative, socially liberal, and totally anti-vaccination."  It's the fringe left, fringe right, and then the completely detached.  

My brother's wife home-schooled my two nieces for a few years in the Northwoods because the schools were crap up there and one of the girls needed extra attention for some issues.  And so they did what homeschoolers do and joined social groups for after-school play, clubs, recreation, etc. with other home-school families in the area.  After awhile they moved and enrolled in public school because those people were just fucking nuts.  None of them vaccinated their kids so they were still bringing Chicken Pox and other shit around to the gatherings.  And literally half were right-wing militia off-the-grid nutjobs who'd come heavy to a damn group play the kids put on.  Other half were left-wing nuts who wouldn't let their kids play with my brother's kids because they ate meat.  Half were ex-military but don't think the government can do anything else right.  Other half love everything the government does, except schools.  and all distrusted medical science to a fucking person.  He has some crazy fucking stories, and probably a lingering case of Rubella.  

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

2 hours ago, Enchubben said:

Is it a thing for the conservative folks to be anti vaccine in your experience? The most conservative people I know would take that shit in a heartbeat and ask others to do so as well so everything goes back to normal.

The very few anti vaccine people I’ve either interacted with or been connected to online we’re more of the hippy out there types that are certainly not the same covid hoax group.

The few anti-vaccine folks I’ve run into are the hippy idiots you reference. The hardcore MAGA folks I know all think COVID is a hoax. Will they line up for a vaccine to protect them against a hoax?

[Enchubben 5600]

15 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

The few anti-vaccine folks I’ve run into are the hippy idiots you reference. The hardcore MAGA folks I know all think COVID is a hoax. Will they line up for a vaccine to protect them against a hoax?

When you say they think it’s a hoax, do these people say covid doesn’t exist or that there has been an over reaction to trying to contain it/media coverage issues? I’m asking because I haven’t met or talked to a single person that doesn’t think covid exists. And I’m guessing I run with a more conservative crowd than you might. 

The people that I know that feel that way all get flu shots and still vaccinate their children so i don’t think they would think twice about getting a vaccination for covid.

[Guest Lobo]

I think the "it's a hoax" crowd has pretty much eroded away.  We're at a point where now every single American knows somebody who not only had Covid-19, but had a shitty enough time with it that they either stayed at home for 10 days of hell or were hospitalized, or worse.  
 

But we are still surrounded by tens of millions of Americans that think it exists, but is a completely overblown fabrication by Big Science and Big Media and Big Hospital or whatever the fuck the terms are among the functionally illiterate.  Those are the ones that are a problem because they're all over society.  They think it's nothing to fear, no reason to mitigate, any cautious views of the data are just "living in fear" lectures.  my little street is a fascinating microcosm of this.  And it's not really along party lines, or economic lines, I think it's along educational lines (everybody on the street is pretty smart, all well-educated not so much because of all the graduate degrees but because we have no Aggies or Sooners on our street).  

You know this group is on its last leg when the only thing they can shout at you now is, "Well, I'm not gonna live in fear like you do man!"  Nobody is living in fear except maybe those watching over an elderly parent, but their fear is that they might incidentally pass it along to that parent.  The rest of us are just trying not to be assholes to our neigbors

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

2 minutes ago, Enchubben said:

When you say they think it’s a hoax, do these people say covid doesn’t exist or that there has been an over reaction to trying to contain it/media coverage issues? I’m asking because I haven’t met or talked to a single person that doesn’t think covid exists. And I’m guessing I run with a more conservative crowd than you might. 

The people that I know that feel that way all get flu shots and still vaccinate their children so i don’t think they would think twice about getting a vaccination for covid.

My interactions with MAGA is extremely limited. Basically 2 family members and 1 friend. All started convos with the brain mush talking point (it’s a democratic hoax to take down Trump) and I ended the convos immediately. So to answer your question, I didn’t explore the depths of their ignorance, and hopefully you are right that they don’t actually believe it’s a political hoax and will protect themselves from it. Of course, all 3 were anti-masks so...who knows. 

[Hefeweizen 5444]

The "conservatives" (Trump supporters, not really conservative) that I know professionally all are clinging to the ratfuck belief that it's just a bad flu.  Which it can be, especially if you're young and/or otherwise healthy.  But it can also fuck your shit up.  There is still a serious disbelief in masks; the only reason a lot of people will wear them is because  we mandate them.  If it were optional I guarantee about 40% of the people I work with as clients or otherwise would not wear them.  Politics fucked up this pandemic response and it isn't going to get unfucked, unfortunately.

 

Hopefully the vaccine is safe and effective, because if not, the pain will go on until the virus mutates into another seasonal flu.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

Also worth mentioning, comparison to a flu vaccine doesn’t really make sense because Dear Leader hasn’t spent months politicizing the flu virus.

[Armybrat 41408]

Went for my Covid test at 8am this morning in Round Rock. 10 cars were ahead of us but only took a total of 25 minutes.
 

[Guest Lobo]

Quite a scowl you're getting from Mrs. Brat right there. 

"I can't believe you're posting photos of this to that pornographic board you call a 'community.'  Would you just drive...this is a serious test!" 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8984]

AB thought he was in selfie mode or getting material for the hot or not thread

[Captainant 28539]

Careful Brat, I have it on good authority that testing is what causes COVID

[Neonmoon 38130]

England joining France month long lockdown to control spread. 

 

[Guest]

47 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

England joining France month long lockdown to control spread. 

 

Youngest son is in Spain.  They locked up tighter than a virgin's honey pot...like they were early summer.

i keep fucking with him that we won't get to see him until his contract is up with the Navy... then he says he might just fucking stay there. LOL.( but not LOL if Momma is in the room)

Edited October 31, 2020 by slorch