Formerly DT: COVID-19 - Featuring Lots of Politics, now CR because political talk not going away

[Captainant 27405]

5 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

newsom lifting stay at home orders...isnt this thing raging with cases and deaths right now?

It does seem a little preemptive to be doing it now but they claim their models project it losing intensity in the next month - they must be facing a bunch of local pressure to reopen from local businesses. From the LA Times reporting:

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Gov. Gavin Newsom is expected on Monday to lift regional coronavirus stay-at-home orders across California, a change that could allow restaurants and gyms in many counties to reopen outdoor dining and services.

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The governor announced the regional stay-at-home orders on Dec. 3 in an effort to reduce the strain on hospitals as case numbers surged. Although state data show hospital systems in Southern California and the San Joaquin Valley remain strained, the Newsom administration told officials Sunday that models project ICU capacity in those areas will exceed 15% — a threshold for lifting the regional shutdowns — over the next four weeks.

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State officials never released the full details of how the four-week ICU calculations were being made. And although services were allowed to reopen in the Sacramento region on Dec. 13, daily reports of available intensive care beds never approached the 15% threshold deemed necessary to cancel the restrictions. ICU capacity in the Northern California region, which is not under the stay-at-home order, has continued to remain above the state’s shutdown benchmarks.

The Bay Area, which reported 23.4% capacity, had remained under the stay-at-home order due to a four-week projection of a decrease in hospital bed availability. Southern California showed no ICU availability, and the San Joaquin Valley region reported 1.3%, according to state data as of Saturday.

After a winter surge, coronavirus cases and hospitalizations are beginning to decline across the state.

But California is continuing to see a record-breaking number of deaths from COVID-19, a lagging indicator of the surge.

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Last week, a group of more than 50 wineries and restaurants across Napa and Sonoma counties sued to overturn a state ban on in-person dining, with owners saying their constitutional rights are being trampled as they slip into financial ruin.

It looks (to me) like Newsom is trying to give business owners some concessions

[Incredulity 11541]

Live look at Newsom and the California Business Community.

[Rip76 4912]

17 minutes ago, Captainant said:

It does seem a little preemptive to be doing it now but they claim their models project it losing intensity in the next month - they must be facing a bunch of local pressure to reopen from local businesses. From the LA Times reporting:

It looks (to me) like Newsom is trying to give business owners some concessions

Novel idea.

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

1 minute ago, Rip76 said:

Novel idea.

Big if true.

[Hate 20103]

Newsome is in full job saving mode...his own.

[dcar00 14028]

13 minutes ago, Captainant said:

It does seem a little preemptive to be doing it now but they claim their models project it losing intensity in the next month - they must be facing a bunch of local pressure to reopen from local businesses. From the LA Times reporting:

It looks (to me) like Newsom is trying to give business owners some concessions

but if he lifts stay at home isn't it going to rage back up.  

This was a strange comment

But California is continuing to see a record-breaking number of deaths from COVID-19, a lagging indicator of the surge.

 

[dcar00 14028]

maybe he is taking the admins lead such that if there is nothing we can really do we might as well open up.

[Armybrat 40710]

34 minutes ago, Hate said:

Newsome is in full job saving mode...his own.

Or he has another dinner party reservation at the French Laundry.

[tbone_ 14020]

Or he has another dinner party reservation at the French Laundry.

The food is pretty good there

[Guest Lobo]

16 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

The food is pretty good there

It’s no Chili’s.  I don’t like Gavin at all.  I lived in the Bay Area when he was coming up in politics.  But we had people in this country brining assault rifles into state capitols to demand to be able to eat at Chili’s.  I would risk arrest for French Laundry though. 

[BabaYaga 15205]

23 minutes ago, Hate said:

Newsome is in full job saving mode...his own.

LOL, It's not just Newsome, it's all the blue strongholds:  NY, CHicago, etc.  Five days after the bad orange man is out, suddenly revenue losses are important?  Suddenly it's not case counts, but hospitalizations, which were trending down from months prior.  

Three days ago CA broke its own record for most COVID-19 deaths in a single day: 736. The National Guard has been called in L.A. County to help manage overloaded hospital morgues. But NOW they want to open?  

[Pato del Muerto 52336]

26 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

The food is pretty good there

How does their burger compare to, say, the naked burger at doral?

[Guest Lobo]

Babyaga——Fair point, but also to be fair...your guy did promise that all the Covid talk would go away after Inauguration Day.  Or was it Election Day.  Or was it two weeks from now?  Or two weeks ago? Or was it Easter?  Or was it last summer?  Or was it this summer?  Or was it on National Clorox Day?  
 

it’s been a year of scientifically dismissive bullshit, we’re gonna have to give the stupids on the other side to get some hypocritical idiocy a few weeks to get their shit out of their system as well.  
 

only good news outta all this political bullshit is maybe we learn as a country to re-embrace math and science again.  I know they make my head hurt but it’s the way outta this fucking self-dug hole we’re in.  

Edited January 25, 2021 by Lobo

[Pato del Muerto 52336]

7 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

LOL, It's not just Newsome, it's all the blue strongholds:  NY, CHicago, etc.  Five days after the bad orange man is out, suddenly revenue losses are important?  Suddenly it's not case counts, but hospitalizations, which were trending down from months prior.  

Three days ago CA broke its own record for most COVID-19 deaths in a single day: 736. The National Guard has been called in L.A. County to help manage overloaded hospital morgues. But NOW they want to open?  

I think it’s more likely that cases are trending down and vaccinations are happening, so a calculated risk is being taken.  How well calculated?  I guess that’s the discussion. 
 

buy yeah deaths are a lagging indicator and shouldn’t be used to make or change policy as long as they continue to trend the same as hospitalizations but later.  

[BabaYaga 15205]

6 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I think it’s more likely that cases are trending down and vaccinations are happening, so a calculated risk is being taken.  How well calculated?  I guess that’s the discussion. 
 

buy yeah deaths are a lagging indicator and shouldn’t be used to make or change policy as long as they continue to trend the same as hospitalizations but later.  

Magically rending down not even a week after the election?  LOL, no.  What really should upset each and every one of us, with such clear partisan decisions being made.  How many businesses were sacrificed?  How many lives ruined?  Of course the recall is factoring in.  It's up to 1.2M.  Coupled with those new WHO protocol test kits on the way. Numbers will be way down next week.

What have the restaurant transmission rates always been?  2-3%?  Maybe.  There has never been any reason to cause tens of thousands to go out of business.  So what changed now other than a massive change at the top?

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

48 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

The food is pretty good there

I present to you, the Humblest of Brags.

[Snake Diggity 4614]

3 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Magically rending down not even a week after the election?  LOL, no.  What really should upset each and every one of us, with such clear partisan decisions being made.  How many businesses were sacrificed?  How many lives ruined?  Of course the recall is factoring in.  It's up to 1.2M.  Coupled with those new WHO protocol test kits on the way. Numbers will be way down next week.

What have the restaurant transmission rates always been?  2-3%?  Maybe.  There has never been any reason to cause tens of thousands to go out of business.  So what changed now other than a massive change at the top?

It actually makes perfect sense that the number of cases would begin trending down 3 weeks after Christmas and New Years, you fucking idiot.  And it makes perfect sense to begin relaxing restrictions once cases trend down, especially considering there’s now a vaccine available.

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

20 minutes ago, Lobo said:

.your guy did promise

Ah yes. Now it's time for BUT TRUMP talk. 

[Captainant 27405]

5 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Ah yes. Now it's time for BUT TRUMP talk. 

No, we were pretty adamant that trump was fucking this up back when yall were confident the pandemic was just another flu, that we wouldn't possibly see more than 200k deaths from it in a year, and when chickensandwich used to post daily stats

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

Rent. Free.

[BabaYaga 15205]

16 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Ah yes. Now it's time for BUT TRUMP talk. 

Yep.  But now that the WHO is changing the count criteria and the conversation is switching to deaths which were trending down anyway.

CA issued the Stay At Home order on December 3rd. LA County hospitalizations were at 2,572.

Now LA County hospitalizations are 6,697 - but they are opening back up. 

What does that tell you about the politicization of all of this?  Glad they are opening back up. I am, however very sorry for the fear, lying, and job losses. It was unnecessary and done purposely to cause harm. 

[dcar00 14028]

45 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I think it’s more likely that cases are trending down and vaccinations are happening, so a calculated risk is being taken.  How well calculated?  I guess that’s the discussion. 
 

buy yeah deaths are a lagging indicator and shouldn’t be used to make or change policy as long as they continue to trend the same as hospitalizations but later.  

yeah, thats it.  calculated risk.  yep sure, imma go with that one.

[dcar00 14028]

5 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Yep.  But now that the WHO is changing the count criteria and the conversation is switching to deaths which were trending down anyway.

CA issued the Stay At Home order on December 3rd. LA County hospitalizations were at 2,572.

Now LA County hospitalizations are 6,697 - but they are opening back up. 

What does that tell you about the politicization of all of this?  Glad they are opening back up. I am, however very sorry for the fear, lying, and job losses. It was unnecessary and done purposely to cause harm. 

at least the cloak has been removed for all but the complete idiots.

[BabaYaga 15205]

1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

at least the cloak has been removed for all but the complete idiots.

I hope as many small business owners that lost everything on the alter of political gamesmanship sue the every living shit out of everyone they can.  Left.  Right.  Whomever.  They got screwed over.  Especially the restaurants who screamed for months at the infinitesimally low transmission rate and yet complied every step of the way.  Not bars.  Restaurants.   

[dcar00 14028]

22 minutes ago, Captainant said:

No, we were pretty adamant that trump was fucking this up back when yall were confident the pandemic was just another flu, that we wouldn't possibly see more than 200k deaths from it in a year, and when chickensandwich used to post daily stats

California has been in lock down, stay at home, masks everywhere and they saw the same fucking curves as everyone else.

Save Germany(well done by zee Germans BTW) every other western european country that we can safely say has quasi-accurate numbers is about the same.

the only thing stopping this was a vax.

[Guest Lobo]

We politicized masks.  Pretty sure opening businesses being politicized was to be expected as well.  

I agree, some of these recent announcements seem awfully convenient.  I'll just never get over having a discussion with a UT graduate in March who didn't believe that when his fat wife talked, saliva sprayed out of her mouth and onto the person she was talking to, even if neither person in the conversation could see it.  Once basic physics/masks were denied and politicized, I knew this country was fucked on Covid-19.  

I don't trust either side when it comes to motives and eradication plans on Covid-19.  Who I do trust are scientists, and it seems like they're back in charge again.  They'll probably be exploited by whatever party is in charge from state to state, but at least we're listening to them again.  That part seems nice.  I don't like to talking to my proctologist, but hearing from him as I turn 45 this year feels nicer than last year when I didn't talk to him and just had some guy yelling at me to eat more fiber while he went out to a steakhouse.  

[MNLonghornFUKM 8799]

Came for the newsom lulz. It’s funny watching the other side not want to say it, even though they know.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8799]

Yep.  But now that the WHO is changing the count criteria and the conversation is switching to deaths which were trending down anyway.
CA issued the Stay At Home order on December 3rd. LA County hospitalizations were at 2,572.

Now LA County hospitalizations are 6,697 - but they are opening back up. 

What does that tell you about the politicization of all of this?  Glad they are opening back up. I am, however very sorry for the fear, lying, and job losses. It was unnecessary and done purposely to cause harm. 

Yea but snake called you a fucking idiot. Not just an idiot but A FUCKING IDIOT.

btw active cases in cali is horrifying.




Almost 3 times currently infected than dec 3rd lol

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

2 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Almost 3 times currently infected than dec 3rd lol

Mostly peaceful infection, though.

[BradInATX 9208]

@immamac  @blacklab just move this thread to the Cloak Room where it belongs.

Edited January 25, 2021 by BradInATX

[BabaYaga 15205]

10 minutes ago, Lobo said:

and it seems like they're back in charge again. 

What?  Case counts are spiking in CA, hospitalizations up almost 160%?  If they are in charge, then either they were lying to us before, or they are lying to us now - because it can't be both.  

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

2 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

because it can't be both. 

Trust me. It can be both.

[BradInATX 9208]

California averaging about 50% of the daily new cases that they were two weeks ago.

thEy ArE OPeNing uP BecAusE trUmP iS goNe

[Guest Lobo]

They're collecting the same data based on the same symptoms/underlying conditions they always have.  It's how the public health officials, media, and elected officials choose to present that data that may change week-to-week, state-to-state, party-to-party.  

We're going to have to come to an understanding as a nation in the final six months of this pandemic...front line health care workers simply don't care about the politics or the money of this pandemic.  They never did.  It was about keeping themselves healthy so they could keep helping the sick, and not infect their own loved ones in the meantime.  That's all this ever was and has been for them.  

I remember that group of assholes months ago yelling at those nurses in crosswalks who were blocking their idiot parade and thinking, "My god, we've politicized every aspect of this virus...but we have to leave the front line workers out of this or we are truly doomed."  And luckily, for the most part, we did.  I hope to Christ that continues.  

Edited January 25, 2021 by Lobo

[BradInATX 9208]

tHe tIminG IS DefINIteLy pOLItiCaL

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[aggie08 21414]

14 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Yea but snake called you a fucking idiot. Not just an idiot but A FUCKING IDIOT.

btw active cases in cali is horrifying.




Almost 3 times currently infected than dec 3rd lol

Visit a lot of food porn websites? Your customized ads certainly have a common theme.

[blacklab 11843]

13 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

@immamac  @blacklab just move this thread to the Cloak Room where it belongs.

I'll be back later today to clean up and give some time off to the offenders.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8799]

Visit a lot of food porn websites? Your customized ads certainly have a common theme.

Damn I’m in

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

Ironic that once the tables turn, we get the calls for Mods to come in. 

[dcar00 14028]

To be fair to Newsom, Cuomo and his "we have to open or there will be nothing left", while still raging, was twice as bad/hilarious.

[Gladeite 375]

Now that the politics are out of the way, it will become much more clearer that just because you test positive, does not mean you have COVID, does not mean you are contagious.  

I do not know any time in history that testing was this widespread.  I would venture to guess, that pick any random year during flu season and this much testing, millions would test positive for the flu virus, yet would be asymptomatic.

I know a personal trainer in Austin that gets the PCR swab every week as a test subject for a lab.  He has tested positive 30 times out of 100.  Throughout the year.  Totally random.  

Not to say that COVID is not dangerous and the old, compromised should be careful, but millions of people have lost their job, had their career ruined, etc...   The restaurant, travel, bar, music venues have carried the brunt of the suffering.

 

 

  

[Hpara759 1777]

18 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

@immamac  @blacklab just move this thread to the Cloak Room where it belongs.

after 1053 pages........

[BradInATX 9208]

4 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Ironic that once the tables turn, we get the calls for Mods to come in. 

 

If you want to talk politics you'll have to nut up and do it somewhere where your terrible hot takes can be called out.

Sorry you're upset about losing your safe space.

[BradInATX 9208]

5 minutes ago, Hpara759 said:

after 1053 pages........

 

It shouldn't be that way, though. We should be able to have a Covid discussion without the same five people turning it political every three pages. There is literally only one rule on the Daily Texan, and the same handful of people still manage to not be able to follow it. Over and over and over. It's the same people every single time. Everyone knows exactly who they are.

On the bright side there are a couple of other Covid threads on the DT that they haven't managed to shit up. Yet.

 

Edited January 25, 2021 by BradInATX

[Guest Lobo]

Mods, does this mean we're not getting dinner from French Laundry?  

[immamac 42513]

What exactly is wrong here? All I see is a bunch of whiney babies who can't discuss anything like adults. 

I saw 1 reported post which didn't violate any rules, didn't talk politics, but also just added absolutely dick to the conversation.

[Hate 20103]

What exactly is wrong here? All I see is a bunch of whiney babies who can't discuss anything like adults. 
I saw 1 reported post which didn't violate any rules, didn't talk politics, but also just added absolutely dick to the conversation.

Which post was it?

[workswithseed 2033]

https://www.dailywire.com/news/report-surge-of-student-suicides-forced-las-vegas-school-district-to-return-to-in-person-learning?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro

The nation’s fifth-largest school district of Clark County, Nevada, will return to in-person education “as quickly as possible” following a “surge” of student suicides in and around the county’s central city, Las Vegas, according to The New York Times.

The shocking news of a rash of student suicides in Nevada has school districts across the country rethinking the strategy of in-home and online learning amid the ongoing coronavirus pandemic and reconsidering their position that students might fully recover from a year spent out of the company of peers.

“Mental health problems account for a growing proportion of children’s visits to hospital emergency rooms, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention,” the outlet noted. “From March, when the pandemic was declared, to October, the figure was up 31 percent for those 12 to 17 years old and 24 percent for children ages 5 to 11 compared with the same period in 2019.”

[dcar00 14028]

14 minutes ago, Gladeite said:

Now that the politics are out of the way, it will become much more clearer that just because you test positive, does not mean you have COVID, does not mean you are contagious.  

I do not know any time in history that testing was this widespread.  I would venture to guess, that pick any random year during flu season and this much testing, millions would test positive for the flu virus, yet would be asymptomatic.

I know a personal trainer in Austin that gets the PCR swab every week as a test subject for a lab.  He has tested positive 30 times out of 100.  Throughout the year.  Totally random.  

Not to say that COVID is not dangerous and the old, compromised should be careful, but millions of people have lost their job, had their career ruined, etc...   The restaurant, travel, bar, music venues have carried the brunt of the suffering.

 

 

  

Well fuck me, really?

[Armybrat 40710]

1 hour ago, Lobo said:

It’s no Chili’s.  I don’t like Gavin at all.  I lived in the Bay Area when he was coming up in politics.  But we had people in this country brining assault rifles into state capitols to demand to be able to eat at Chili’s.  I would risk arrest for French Laundry though. 

Don’t worry, these Chipotle heroes will protect you....