Formerly DT: COVID-19 - Featuring Lots of Politics, now CR because political talk not going away

[immamac 42513]

I mean for fucks sake - we played College Football and are trying to play basketball and other sports with FANS IN THE FUCKING STADIUM while spread is higher than it's ever been (also between Presidents and seasons etc)

If that's not just the definition of selfish and fucking stupid I don't know what is. 

[BabaYaga 15205]

1 hour ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I’m from the “I wish people would do the right thing and if they did then government could stay out of it”

But lots of people for some reason won’t wear a mask a few minutes a day when in specific situations, and absolutely have to go to church and dine at restaurants and exercise at fitness clubs. 

I’d would like to take a peek at the timeline where we did these things and see how different it is. 

I see the joke was wasted on you.  So we are blaming one specific section of the economy for the behavior of everyone else?  Do you see how misguided that is?  Even more so when we have had the data for months now that restaurant transmission is negligible, yet one of the most prevalent types of small businesses. 

Many generational businesses snuffed out in the blink of any eye with little to no nuanced investigation into transmission and vector types....because of the assumption that other people are not following the rules?  

Either via misguided altruism or political intent, the lawsuits are already mounting.  A group of 50 former restaurant owners have served the LA governors office.  I suspect thousands more will as well, especially with what we have known for many months now about how minimal a risk they pose tp patrons.  

Again, cower in fear with decades of precedent set on those famous words if/when they are uttered directly to you:  "I'm from the government, and I'm here to help"

[BabaYaga 15205]

5 minutes ago, immamac said:

I mean for fucks sake - we played College Football and are trying to play basketball and other sports with FANS IN THE FUCKING STADIUM while spread is higher than it's ever been (also between Presidents and seasons etc)

If that's not just the definition of selfish and fucking stupid I don't know what is. 

Or the knowledge that almost every medical publication verifies that this virus is eradicated almost instantly when exposed to UV light.  So much that outside transmission under normal situations is highly, highly improbable of transmission.  

#thepartyofscience

[BradInATX 9208]

Or the knowledge that almost every medical publication verifies that this virus is eradicated almost instantly when exposed to UV light.  So much that outside transmission under normal situations is highly, highly improbable of transmission.  
#thepartyofscience

Literally just making shit up

[immamac 42513]

2 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Or the knowledge that almost every medical publication verifies that this virus is eradicated almost instantly when exposed to UV light.  So much that outside transmission under normal situations is highly, highly improbable of transmission.  

#thepartyofscience

Except in the bathrooms, at the concession stand or in the walkways to your seats in the stands. Sitting in the stands isn't the problem at these games it's that people are fucking stupid and pretend like they don't have the virus when they do and there's no way to tell. 

Just like it's not a problem to sit outside and eat safely socially distanced from everyone and in a "touchless" restaurant setting. Your assumption that everyone is cautious and respectful of others who are trying to prevent transmission and/or infection is hilarious. I've seen first hand how fucking dickish people have been about their own "PERSONAL RIGHTS" that run around without fucking masks or do really shitty things like touch their face and then touch groceries etc. 

Just stop pretending like every single one of us isn't the problem. Yes, all of us to the extend that we need to hold those who are being careless accountable in life ruining fashion, because their actions are actively ruining fucking lives. 

You know what easily solves the stupid dickish people problem? Don't put a bunch of people in the same fucking place. 

[BabaYaga 15205]

3 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

Literally just making shit up

Literally just fucking goaltending at this point.  But remember kid, he's "neutral".....

Sunlight inactivates the airborne virus that causes COVID

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Sunlight was found to inactivate severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), which causes coronavirus 2019 (COVID-19) in a new controlled environment assessment.

There are of course many others.  Like this one from Oxford

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The present study provides the first evidence that sunlight may rapidly inactivate SARS-CoV-2 on surfaces, suggesting that persistence, and subsequently exposure risk, may vary significantly between indoor and outdoor environments.

Sunlight nukes this virus, like so many other Corona viruses and bacteria - but remember kids, stay indoors.....where the virus spreads the most

 

[BabaYaga 15205]

11 minutes ago, immamac said:

Except in the bathrooms, at the concession stand or in the walkways to your seats in the stands. Sitting in the stands isn't the problem at these games it's that people are fucking stupid and pretend like they don't have the virus when they do and there's no way to tell. 

Just like it's not a problem to sit outside and eat safely socially distanced from everyone and in a "touchless" restaurant setting. Your assumption that everyone is cautious and respectful of others who are trying to prevent transmission and/or infection is hilarious. I've seen first hand how fucking dickish people have been about their own "PERSONAL RIGHTS" that run around without fucking masks or do really shitty things like touch their face and then touch groceries etc. 

Just stop pretending like every single one of us isn't the problem. Yes, all of us to the extend that we need to hold those who are being careless accountable in life ruining fashion, because their actions are actively ruining fucking lives. 

You know what easily solves the stupid dickish people problem? Don't put a bunch of people in the same fucking place. 

The bathrooms?  Where people wash their hands?  Concession stands?  Where most are closed anyway?  We can stand in line at Target but I can't stand in line to get a beer?  Is this a joke?

A bunch of people in the same fucking place?  Oh you mean, like a city?  Jesus christ.....

[VRHorn 718]

19 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Or the knowledge that almost every medical publication verifies that this virus is eradicated almost instantly when exposed to UV light.  So much that outside transmission under normal situations is highly, highly improbable of transmission.  

#thepartyofscience

So then all of the BLM protests over the summer resulted in 0 cases, right? Thanks for clarifying that point.

Also, it is a little disappointing how many alleged college graduates don't know what a lagging indicator is.

[Sbbruin 21704]

24 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Or the knowledge that almost every medical publication verifies that this virus is eradicated almost instantly when exposed to UV light.  So much that outside transmission under normal situations is highly, highly improbable of transmission.  

#thepartyofscience

 

6 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Literally just fucking goaltending at this point.  But remember kid, he's "neutral".....

Sunlight inactivates the airborne virus that causes COVID

There are of course many others.  Like this one from Oxford

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Sunlight nukes this virus, like so many other Corona viruses and bacteria - but remember kids, stay indoors.....where the virus spreads the most

 

Your own studies negate the "almost" instantaneous eradication" you claim.  Several minutes at best.

[Guest Lobo]

4 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Sunlight nukes this virus, like so many other Corona viruses and bacteria - but remember kids, stay indoors.....where the virus spreads the most

So like indoors at Central Piedmont Community College, SNHU Arena, RNC offices, Montage Hotel, JACO Hangar, AZ Veterans Coliseum, International Hotel Las Vegas, Broadmoor World Arena, Gandhi Ashram in India, the Taj Mahal, ITC Maurya Hotel, Rashtrapati Bhavan, Hyderabad House, North Charleston Coliseum and Performing Arts Center, Gaylord National Resort, Bojangles Coliseum, Scranton Cultural Center, the private home of Bob Russo, the private home of Kelcy Warren, the BOK Center in Tulsa, Dream City Church, the private home of Troy Link, the Hapeville offices, the Fujifilm HQ, the Eastmand-Kodak HQ, the Whirlpool HQ, the private home of Stanley Chera, Mariotti Building Products HQ, Jupiter Lighthouse Museum, Treasure Island Hotel & Casino, the private home of Palmer Luckey, and 50+ other indoor events at golf courses and airports just in the past 12 months.  

So organizing and attending large gatherings indoors is stupid right?  I agree.  Well then I've got a candidate for stupidest fucking person of 2020 then!  Too bad we can't shove a UV strip light up certain people's asses and break them off and watch 'em bleed out.  

[atomheartbevo 89395]

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/25/politics/pentagon-troops-vaccination/index.html

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The Department of Defense is weighing options to assist President Joe Biden's plan to vaccinate as many as 1.5 million people per day within months. Discussions are taking place about deploying thousands of US troops to help with the vaccination efforts, according to four officials familiar with the talks who said a plan could be unveiled by the end of the week.

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Such a deployment could start with medical units that have been on standby orders for some time and have deployed in recent months to some of the hardest hit areas, one official said. 

If they can get that Johnson & Johnson vaccine out, that's only one shot, and get it produced in the numbers J&J is aiming for, would be the perfect environment for a bunch of these medical units to setup shop in areas where they can push drive-through folks through pretty fast.

I'm just wondering how often we will need to be vaccinated/boosted.   Once the companies can get production consistent, and I can go into HEB or CVS or whatever and get it at my leisure, that will be fantastic, but we are a helluva long way from there. 

[BradInATX 9208]

Sunlight nukes this virus, like so many other Corona viruses and bacteria - but remember kids, stay indoors.....where the virus spreads the most
 

19 minutes is not "instantaneous" (ETA I see bruin already responded as well)

It's like you guys just aren't capable of this discussion without being dishonest.

[aggie08 21414]

14 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

It's like you guys just aren't capable of this discussion without being dishonest.

It's almost been a year. They very clearly aren't.

[dcar00 14028]

1 hour ago, immamac said:

Bingo - It was fucked because we made it fucked with our greed at the very start. American Politicians aren't to blame for the rampant spread (don't give a shit who you voted for) American GREED is responsible.

People need to "get theirs" and no one has time to "support the ones who can't work" - it's really sad that there is enough wealth in this country (not brrrrt machine fed wealth) to pay a 4 week stay at home order 500 times (or more) over if that's what was necessary and those holding that wealth saying "that's not my fucking problem, be less poor lololol" 

Our politicians may have felt like they let us down, but when you get to the brass tacks of it we doomed ourselves. New Zealand didn't fucking make some radical game changing policy from the government to kill the virus, neither did Korea etc. They had all of the people deem it to be their own personal responsibility to keep the spread from happening. In America there has been no personal responsibility, and arguably there has been blatant disregard for those who have been holding themselves personally accountable by those who are too selfish to sacrifice something for the greater good. 

In short: Americans are fat dumb selfish and worst of all stupid and that's why Covid-19 hit here harder than other places. 

which is why France, UK, Spain, Italy all have similar per capita death tolls.  American greed I tell ya...

Edited January 26, 2021 by dcar00

[Snake Diggity 4614]

3 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

which is why France, UK, Spain all have similar per capita death tolls.  American greed I tell ya...

You’re trying to invalidate a point by saying “we are not THE worst, we are merely among the worst”?

[Captainant 27403]

Just now, Snake Diggity said:

You’re trying to invalidate a point by saying “we are not THE worst, we are merely among the worst”?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

[dcar00 14028]

2 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

You’re trying to invalidate a point by saying “we are not THE worst, we are merely among the worst”?

there are about a max of 15 countries I would trust any numbers on...

and does it matter at this point because apparently it is what is.  though I see that the new plan would get us to herd in the summer.

Edited January 26, 2021 by dcar00

[Snake Diggity 4614]

1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

there are about a max of 15 countries I would trust any numbers on...

Then make that point.  Are you saying you believe the US did an average or better job at responding to the pandemic?

[Guest Lobo]

there are only two things I hate during pandemic:

Countries lying about their Covid numbers.  And the Dutch.  

[dcar00 14028]

1 minute ago, Snake Diggity said:

Then make that point.  Are you saying you believe the US did an average or better job at responding to the pandemic?

average to below average.  not cutting off Europe immediately was a big mistake.

[Snake Diggity 4614]

Just now, dcar00 said:

average to below average.  not cutting off Europe immediately was a big mistake.

So you think the primary mistake the United States made in their handling of the pandemic was not cutting off travel from Europe sooner?  You don’t think there were other, more impactful things the government and people in general should have done?

[dcar00 14028]

1 minute ago, Snake Diggity said:

So you think the primary mistake the United States made in their handling of the pandemic was not cutting off travel from Europe sooner?  You don’t think there were other, more impactful things the government and people in general should have done?

yes that was a big mistake. mask wearing and lock downs were off the charts in western Europe and they performed similarly.  

[dcar00 14028]

11 minutes ago, Lobo said:

there are only two things I hate during pandemic:

Countries lying about their Covid numbers.  And the Dutch.  

I can give or take countries lying but fuck the Dutch...and Mike Stoops.

[Snake Diggity 4614]

1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

yes that was a big mistake. mask wearing and lock downs were off the charts in western Europe and they performed similarly.  

Your claim about mask wearing in Europe is false.  Your claim that immamacs point is invalid because the US was somewhere in the 30th to 50th percentile in its handling of the pandemic is sad.

Masks work.  Test and trace works.  

[dcar00 14028]

Just now, Snake Diggity said:

Your claim about mask wearing in Europe is false.  Your claim that immamacs point is invalid because the US was somewhere in the 30th to 50th percentile in its handling of the pandemic is sad.

Masks work.  Test and trace works.  

its not false. they were all over wearing masks. masks certainly help. we and others had no real ability to test and trace on a large scale in real time.

American greed/evil rich man is always the problem.

[Snake Diggity 4614]

2 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

its not false. they were all over wearing masks. masks certainly help. we and others had no real ability to test and trace on a large scale in real time.

American greed/evil rich man is always the problem.

Do you think the countries who have avoided the kind of case/hospitalizations/death rate we’ve seen in the US are all lying?  If not, to what do you attribute their success?  Luck?

[immamac 42513]

1 minute ago, dcar00 said:

its not false. they were all over wearing masks. masks certainly help. we and others had no real ability to test and trace on a large scale in real time.

American greed/evil rich man is always the problem.

how about "western greed" - what if, and this is a big what if scenario, people acted like if you got Covid you died? You think people would still act like they do?

I know for a fact there's a LARGE portion of the population that has just resigned to saying "fuck it, if I get it I get it" <---this is the "greed" problem that you can extrapolate to most of western culture since you mentioned it.

The 2nd portion of that the "rich man" who is the problem is a strange and very unique problem to certain countries who have a high concentration of personal wealth. According to IRS numbers all of 2019 payroll from everyone combined was 1.5T per month roughly. It would cost 1.5T in cash to keep people home for 4 weeks and pretend as if nothing else had happened with few key exceptions to the supply chain. 

[dcar00 14028]

3 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

Do you think the countries who have avoided the kind of case/hospitalizations/death rate we’ve seen in the US are all lying?  If not, to what do you attribute their success?  Luck?

Germans and Korea have done a bang up job.  Germans, well they're German duh, and Korea was ahead of the curve on tracing due to SARS.  my guess is the ones that did better had overall much more healthy populations.  Some had populations that were certainly more willing not to move around.

 

[BradInATX 9208]

Do you think the countries who have avoided the kind of case/hospitalizations/death rate we’ve seen in the US are all lying?  If not, to what do you attribute their success?  Luck?

If they fared better than the US then their data is fabricated and he doesn't trust it.

[dcar00 14028]

1 minute ago, immamac said:

how about "western greed" - what if, and this is a big what if scenario, people acted like if you got Covid you died? You think people would still act like they do?

I know for a fact there's a LARGE portion of the population that has just resigned to saying "fuck it, if I get it I get it" <---this is the "greed" problem that you can extrapolate to most of western culture since you mentioned it.

The 2nd portion of that the "rich man" who is the problem is a strange and very unique problem to certain countries who have a high concentration of personal wealth. According to IRS numbers all of 2019 payroll from everyone combined was 1.5T per month roughly. It would cost 1.5T in cash to keep people home for 4 weeks and pretend as if nothing else had happened with few key exceptions to the supply chain. 

sure. A 3-4 week lock down wasn't stopping this.  I was actually for the 2-3 week lockdown.  mask wearing for the last 6 months has been pretty much 100% inside anywhere that I see. yes there is some fatigue now but winter was always going to be worse.

there are just a lot of people that still have to move around to keep society moving even in a "lockdown" which means the virus keeps moving.

I can say this, though, when the next one hits you better have a garage full of toilet paper and sanitizer within the first 24 hours.

[dcar00 14028]

5 minutes ago, BradInATX said:

If they fared better than the US then their data is fabricated and he doesn't trust it.

it will be nice when you can breathe fresh air again I assume.

[Snake Diggity 4614]

5 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

Germans and Korea have done a bang up job.  Germans, well they're German duh, and Korea was ahead of the curve on tracing due to SARS.  my guess is the ones that did better had overall much more healthy populations.  Some had populations that were certainly more willing not to move around.

 

Nice glaze over the Germans.  It’s sad that you don’t hold the US to the same standard.  
 

Is the fact that the US has a massive obesity problem not part of the “greed” immamac referred to?

[dcar00 14028]

Just now, Snake Diggity said:

Nice glaze over the Germans.  It’s sad that you don’t hold the US to the same standard.  
 

Is the fact that the US has a massive obesity problem not part of the “greed” immamac referred to?

oh christ dude WTF, yes we could have given eveyone gastric bypass in March...no people like to eat and are lazy.  it has nothing to do with greed.  keep fucking that monkey.

[Pato del Muerto 52336]

A more unhealthy population would show itself in severity of symptoms/mortality, but I’m not seeing how the infection rate would be affected. If anything, it should negatively affect transmission rate as a higher % of infected are debilitated and therefore not out and about infecting others. 

[Snake Diggity 4614]

Just now, dcar00 said:

oh christ dude WTF, yes we could have given eveyone gastric bypass in March...no people like to eat and are lazy.  it has nothing to do with greed.  keep fucking that monkey.

Touchy.

 

Bottom line is we screwed the fucking pooch on this deal, and the reason goes to the sickness of individualism that has infected our culture.  That is reflected in our wealth disparity as well as our obesity epidemic.  The masses in this country are too selfish and lazy to do the right thing, so they look for justification in things like “freedom” and the “economy”, and that was all super amplified by the leadership at the beginning of the pandemic.

The fact that you write off the Germans as some superhumans is a testament to you being part of the problem.  Justify our stupidity and our laziness as us just being less than the Germans, fuck it.

Back in March, we had an opportunity to wear masks, properly fund a lock down for a month, and mobilize a test and trace mechanism the likes the world had never seen.  Instead, leadership fed the sickness of the masses, politicized masks, and bungled the whole fucking thing.

[immamac 42513]

11 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

sure. A 3-4 week lock down wasn't stopping this.  I was actually for the 2-3 week lockdown.  mask wearing for the last 6 months has been pretty much 100% inside anywhere that I see. yes there is some fatigue now but winter was always going to be worse.

there are just a lot of people that still have to move around to keep society moving even in a "lockdown" which means the virus keeps moving.

I can say this, though, when the next one hits you better have a garage full of toilet paper and sanitizer within the first 24 hours.

You realize our 2-3 week lockdown wasn't a real lockdown and was basically completely a waste of time and destroyed the economy for no reason because we didn't actually lock down and people still acted like the virus wasn't a real thing right? 

I am only pro lockdown because it's the only thing at this point that will keep us from having to have herd immunity. The thing has spread too far for us to hope it just goes away on it's own. 

[immamac 42513]

2 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

Touchy.

 

Bottom line is we screwed the fucking pooch on this deal, and the reason goes to the sickness of individualism that has infected our culture.  That is reflected in our wealth disparity as well as our obesity epidemic.  The masses in this country are too selfish and lazy to do the right thing, so they look for justification in things like “freedom” and the “economy”, and that was all super amplified by the leadership at the beginning of the pandemic.

The fact that you write off the Germans as some superhumans is a testament to you being part of the problem.  Justify our stupidity and our laziness as us just being less than the Germans, fuck it.

Back in March, we had an opportunity to wear masks, properly fund a lock down for a month, and mobilize a test and trace mechanism the likes the world had never seen.  Instead, leadership fed the sickness of the masses, politicized masks, and bungled the whole fucking thing.

This right here. We are the problem, just like the earth isn't the problem humans are the problem.

I'm kinda done with this thread for now, because I haven't learned anything like I stated before from interacting in this thread. If anything I have learned things about certain posters I'd rather have not known. 

[dcar00 14028]

22 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

Touchy.

 

Bottom line is we screwed the fucking pooch on this deal, and the reason goes to the sickness of individualism that has infected our culture.  That is reflected in our wealth disparity as well as our obesity epidemic.  The masses in this country are too selfish and lazy to do the right thing, so they look for justification in things like “freedom” and the “economy”, and that was all super amplified by the leadership at the beginning of the pandemic.

The fact that you write off the Germans as some superhumans is a testament to you being part of the problem.  Justify our stupidity and our laziness as us just being less than the Germans, fuck it.

Back in March, we had an opportunity to wear masks, properly fund a lock down for a month, and mobilize a test and trace mechanism the likes the world had never seen.  Instead, leadership fed the sickness of the masses, politicized masks, and bungled the whole fucking thing.

talk about touchy.  the German thing was a joke.  yep we were told in March it wasn't a big deal.

[BrazilHorn 6576]

I am really curious to see how being able to show your vaccinated will play out in terms of being able to: travel, send your kids to school, attend sporting events etc

Will the US take a hard line and say "If you cannot show proof of vaccination you cannot work in an office setting?" or "If your kids aren't vaccinated they cannot attend in person school?"

I am not trying to be dramatic (and as someone that due to being in good shape, under 60 and with no prexisting conditions and being able to 100% WFH is among the last group of people who will be given vaccine) I am just curious as to how the US/States/Companies etc plan to manage the vaccination process.

I can see companies not wanting liability of having non-vaccinated people in an office setting etc.

This is going to be real interesting to see how it is handled.

[dcar00 14028]

5 minutes ago, BrazilHorn said:

I am really curious to see how being able to show your vaccinated will play out in terms of being able to: travel, send your kids to school, attend sporting events etc

Will the US take a hard line and say "If you cannot show proof of vaccination you cannot work in an office setting?" or "If your kids aren't vaccinated they cannot attend in person school?"

I am not trying to be dramatic (and as someone that due to being in good shape, under 60 and with no prexisting conditions and being able to 100% WFH is among the last group of people who will be given vaccine) I am just curious as to how the US/States/Companies etc plan to manage the vaccination process.

I can see companies not wanting liability of having non-vaccinated people in an office setting etc.

This is going to be real interesting to see how it is handled.

kids at school will be a requirement, won't be able to work or travel unless you have your papers.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8799]

You realize our 2-3 week lockdown wasn't a real lockdown and was basically completely a waste of time and destroyed the economy for no reason because we didn't actually lock down and people still acted like the virus wasn't a real thing right? 
I am only pro lockdown because it's the only thing at this point that will keep us from having to have herd immunity. The thing has spread too far for us to hope it just goes away on it's own. 

Just wondering...do you personally get paid in a draconian lockdown?

[Snake Diggity 4614]

18 minutes ago, dcar00 said:

talk about touchy.  the German thing was a joke.  yep we were told in March it wasn't a big deal.

German thing was a joke.  Cool.  So are you saying you don’t think Germany handled it better?  If not, how did Germany handle it so much better and why shouldn’t the US be held to the same standard?

Edited January 26, 2021 by Snake Diggity

[DDD Dad 14243]

What exactly is wrong here? All I see is a bunch of whiney babies who can't discuss anything like adults. 
I saw 1 reported post which didn't violate any rules, didn't talk politics, but also just added absolutely dick to the conversation.

[sPII]Bring back [serious]. [/sPII]

[Stannis 232]

1 hour ago, Captainant said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

I understood immamac's point to be that there was something uniquely American about our population's unwillingness to adhere to strict stay-at-home orders for any significant period of time.  He referred to it as "American greed."  I'm not sure there is a better way to examine that assertion without comparing our country with others.  That doesn't seem like whataboutism to me.

We certainly come up short when compared to small, homogenous, geographically isolated places like New Zealand and South Korea.  We compare more favorably to more geographically and demographically similar places like many European nations.  I don't trust the numbers coming out of a number of other countries.

In any event, I agree with immamac's point that the inability of our population to come together, rally around a cause that impacts our entire county, and sacrifice personally for the benefit of the society as a whole is disappointing.  The "muh freedoms" crowd has an ignorant view of history.  Individual sacrifice in the name of societal good was how we won WW2 - the greatest struggle for freedom in world history.

[immamac 42513]

9 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

Just wondering...do you personally get paid in a draconian lockdown?

I get paid all day every day brah

[dcar00 14028]

21 minutes ago, Snake Diggity said:

German thing was a joke.  Cool.  So are you saying you don’t think Germany handled it better?  If not, how did Germany handle it so much better and why shouldn’t the US be held to the same standard?

yes they handled it better, because they are Germans, duh, and their overall population is more healthy.

[GopherRock 1765]

Well, shit.

 

[Guest Lobo]

We had a good run, America.  See y'all on the other side! 

[washparkhorn 9934]

Covid mitigation efforts - the could have, would have, and should have's 

Duke study finds that uniform moratoria on evictions and utility shut offs through November of last year could have saved 164,000 lives lost to COVID-19.  

• The COVID-19 pandemic has necessitated the adoption of a number of policies that aim to reduce the spread of the disease by promoting housing stability.
• Housing precarity, which includes both the risk of eviction and utility disconnections or shut-offs, reduces a person’s ability to abide by social distancing orders and comply with hygiene recommendations.
• Our analysis quantifies the impact of these various economic policies on COVID-19 infection and death rates using panel regression techniques to control for a variety of potential confounders.
• We find that:
  • policies that limit evictions are found to reduce COVID-19 infections by 3.8% and reduce deaths by 11%.
  • Moratoria on utility disconnections reduce COVID-19 infections by 4.4% and mortality rates by 7.4%.
• Had such policies been in place across all counties (i.e., adopted as federal policy) from early March 2020 through the end of November 2020, our estimated counterfactuals show that policies that limit evictions could have reduced COVID-19 infections by 14.2% and deaths by 40.7%.
• For moratoria on utility disconnections, COVID-19 infections rates could have been reduced by 8.7% and deaths by 14.8%.
• Housing precarity policies that prevent eviction and utility disconnections have been effective mechanisms for decreasing both COVID-19 infections and deaths.

 

 

[Guest Lobo]

^

Great points done by smart people with substantial data.  

However our 2020 strategy appeared to be, "Let them eat bleach!"