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5 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

If you're about to get on a flight, it would be TRUTHFUL for a flight safety expert to tell you "there is absolutely a chance that this plane is going to crash.  There's a chance that there is an undetected mechanical failure.  It's also possible that the pilot will make a fatal mistake.  Everyone on this plane could die."

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6 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

There are experts like that out there (eg Martin Kulldorff) but corporate media wants no part of them.

Neither does the "opposition" media, either - we continue to get the bullshit hoax, it's the flu, etc. narrative.  Again....the  absence/lack of volume of voices with a reasonable take is maddening.

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5 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Fattyflattie reads as he waits to board this AM.   

When I was a teen, I was on a flight with a guy who was really terrified of flying.  So, I decided to fuck with him, and explained that most crashes happened shortly after takeoff or before landing.  So, I narrated out loud "we're still in the zone of death....still in it.....still in it."  I was a dickhead.

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13 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

When I was a teen, I was on a flight with a guy who was really terrified of flying.  So, I decided to fuck with him, and explained that most crashes happened shortly after takeoff or before landing.  So, I narrated out loud "we're still in the zone of death....still in it.....still in it."  I was a dickhead.

If one of these engines fail, how far will the other one take us?

All the way to the scene of the crash.

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19 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Neither does the "opposition" media, either - we continue to get the bullshit hoax, it's the flu, etc. narrative.  Again....the  absence/lack of volume of voices with a reasonable take is maddening.

who is saying that covid 19 as a disease is a hoax in the "opposition" media?

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who is saying that covid 19 as a disease is a hoax in the "opposition" media?

Dude.  You're unaware of the repetitive narratives on the Fox talking head shows, Newsmax, etc.?  Attack the death toll numbers, compare it to the flu death rate, emphasize the death rate while simultaneously dismissing the actual death toll?  Etc. etc. ad nauseum?  Seriously?  It's been pretty relentless.

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My older sister is one on those geezers that was constantly posting on the intertrons about how Covid was a hoax and much less severe than the flu, the election was stolen from Trump, the commies in the Democratic party were faking the death numbers by attributing all deaths to Covid last year.  Before the vaccine was available she posted that she would never get it even though she she's old and a cancer survivor.  She finally admitted that she was one of the first in line to get it, but somehow never seemed to post that.

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13 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

I've heard the "just like the flu" bullshit in several places.

Yeah, only "flu" related question I have is where the hell is it?  It fell from +/- 80M yearly cases, now less than 2K?  Is it an attribution/categorization issue?  Masks and distancing would reduce it, but not from 80 million to less than two thousand?

I might have missed, but what has been the rationale given, if any?

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12 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Yeah, only "flu" related question I have is where the hell is it?  It fell from +/- 80M yearly cases, now less than 2K?  Is it an attribution/categorization issue?  Masks and distancing would reduce it, but not from 80 million to less than two thousand?

I might have missed, but what has been the rationale given, if any?

My guess is that all the things we've been told as kids (wash your hands, cover your mouth when you sneeze, etc.) combined with the lack of travel /shutdowns has made a major impact on flu cases.

 

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I also stopped coughing/sneezing on old people in public.  Apparently that's helping.  

And the resident 60+ barflys/regulars at my old haunts don't come in anymore, so they're not sucking flu infested air between well drinks.  

And I think a massive mitigator resulting in such a tame flu season, though hard to measure, was 'no transmission by omission'.  People who didn't feel well from October-April did this goofy thing called, "Stayed the Fuck Home."  Maybe they were already stuck at home, but maybe they took a pass on going to back to the classroom, or store, or office and instead played it safe.  "Could be Covid-19, could be flu, who knows?  But I should stay home for awhile until these symptoms blow over."  Tens of millions of Americans, probably not suffering from Covid-19, felt bad and decided, "Why risk it?  I'm calling in sick, nobody will mind."  And that probably decreased our flu rates.  Shit, for some, it probably also kept them from going out and picking up Covid-19 with a susceptible immune system at the same time.  

Maybe we're learning to be decent human beings to one another out in public.  You know...like community 'n shit.  

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17 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Yeah, only "flu" related question I have is where the hell is it?  It fell from +/- 80M yearly cases, now less than 2K?  Is it an attribution/categorization issue?  Masks and distancing would reduce it, but not from 80 million to less than two thousand?

I might have missed, but what has been the rationale given, if any?

Kids together in school spread the flu every year.  Since that has been severely limited, so has the spread of flu. I’m not a scientist but just my opinion. 

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8 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

My guess is that all the things we've been told as kids (wash your hands, cover your mouth when you sneeze, etc.) combined with the lack of travel /shutdowns has made a major impact on flu cases.

 

I get that and agree it has helped quite a bit, but we didn't go from eighty million to less than two thousands cases from just that - that's a statistical impossibility.  

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I get that and agree it has helped quite a bit, but we didn't go from eighty million to less than two thousands cases from just that - that's a statistical impossibility.  

I would imagine some of it is a reporting issue--IE people aren't going to the Dr. with flu because they don't want to be in Covid Central.

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3 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

I would imagine some of it is a reporting issue--IE people aren't going to the Dr. with flu because they don't want to be in Covid Central.

Yeah, maybe - but what about everyone that gets Tami-Flu (need prescription, not all are digi-docs), or are hospitalized as so many elderly and very young are YOY?  I see a lot of 'what-if' reporting, but no real answers?

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3 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Yeah, maybe - but what about everyone that gets Tami-Flu (need prescription, not all are digi-docs), or are hospitalized as so many elderly and very young are YOY?  I see a lot of 'what-if' reporting, but no real answers?

Maybe everyone filling out the forms got Covid. 

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I'm in no way saying it does not exist, but I too have not seen anything about hoax / "it's just the flu" in a long, long time. I'd be pretty surprised if one could find those positions promulgated today, but I have been surprised before. I have had people note that the influenza death rate is higher than covid for people under 21, but that is a data-driven reality not "it's a hoax."

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2 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

Unleash the Fauci

 

He's become addicted to the celebrity. I think he just says stupid shit to get on TV ... he knows his 15' is about up ... any time the guy talks they should just play the original 60 Minutes video where he tells everyone to not wear a mask and that cloth masks exacerbate the spread.

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1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

Dude.  You're unaware of the repetitive narratives on the Fox talking head shows, Newsmax, etc.?  Attack the death toll numbers, compare it to the flu death rate, emphasize the death rate while simultaneously dismissing the actual death toll?  Etc. etc. ad nauseum?  Seriously?  It's been pretty relentless.

you saying "opposing" news organizations are saying covid 19 as a disease is a hoax and doesn't exist.

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6 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

You first 

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In all seriousness, this technology is actually pretty incredible. Who wouldn't like to basically never get sick because you're able to take necessary treatment before you're even symptomatic? And being able to remove viruses from blood via dialysis is incredible, as well. If the chip was able to detect a bigger range of diseases/cancers I would take it, in theory. I'm envisioning one that you just hold your cell phone to and your phone produces the results.

What sucks is I'll never willingly take it because our "give us an inch and we'll take a lightyear" government

 

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1 hour ago, BabaYaga said:

What sucks is I'll never willingly take it because our "give us an inch and we'll take a lightyear" government

10 years from now.....I'm sorry Mr. BabaYaga - your health chip indicates you have a greater than 50% chance of having the common cold. Access to your vehicle and places of business has been denied. Please try again tomorrow.

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1 hour ago, dcar00 said:

they are and they aren't - it kinda depends on the day

I mean, I don’t know. Israel, the most vaccinated country in the world is now having a daily new cases number that is 3% of their peak (250 vs 8200 per day). That kinda tells me that the vaccines work. So why can’t this asshole Fauci say yes, the vaccines fucking work and in a couple of months we will have crushed the rebellion with one swift stroke. He even kind of looks like Peter Cushing.

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12 minutes ago, Enchubben said:

10 years from now.....I'm sorry Mr. BabaYaga - your health chip indicates you have a greater than 50% chance of having the common cold. Access to your vehicle and places of business has been denied. Please try again tomorrow.

More like, Baba Yaga, quit jerking your crank to fat chick vids as your tendons are getting worn out and bodily fluid levels are dangerously low......

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1 hour ago, XYZ said:

I mean, I don’t know. Israel, the most vaccinated country in the world is now having a daily new cases number that is 3% of their peak (250 vs 8200 per day). That kinda tells me that the vaccines work. So why can’t this asshole Fauci say yes, the vaccines fucking work and in a couple of months we will have crushed the rebellion with one swift stroke. He even kind of looks like Peter Cushing.

I think he's gotten addicted to the attention. He's got to say stupid shit or CNN won't put him on the air.

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2 hours ago, tbone_ said:


As someone who sat in the Michigan section of that game and then in the shoe, the contrast was apparent and stark. I have zero beef with Michigan.

No doubt Michigan fans are classier than Ohio State.  But comparing the Michigan Rose Bowl crowd -- people with the means to pay for an expensive ticket, airfare, and lodging -- to the home crowd that includes a large contingent of fat, jersey/cargo short, barbwire tattoo sidewalk fans is not apples to apples.

Compared to other home crowds, Ohio State is the worst I have ever been around by far.  But that is not an apples to apples comparison.

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10 hours ago, Newdoc said:

I’ve been saying for months that guy needs to be put out to pasture. He loves himself and his panic porn and the MSM bites on that lure every time he throws it out.

Osterholm made some good calls early on, but seems to have gone off the rails over the variant threat.  Maybe justified, maybe not.  We'll find out during the post mortem. But I do agree with his approach re: vax strategy. 

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3 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Osterholm made some good calls early on, but seems to have gone off the rails over the variant threat.  Maybe justified, maybe not.  We'll find out during the post mortem. But I do agree with his approach re: vax strategy. 

I heard someone today make the comment today that if you go back to Fauci's comments and publications early in 2020 he was pretty spot on based on how the data ultimately has shaken out. At some point he did a pretty big 180 on some of his comments and assertions.

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No doubt Michigan fans are classier than Ohio State.  But comparing the Michigan Rose Bowl crowd -- people with the means to pay for an expensive ticket, airfare, and lodging -- to the home crowd that includes a large contingent of fat, jersey/cargo short, barbwire tattoo sidewalk fans is not apples to apples.
Compared to other home crowds, Ohio State is the worst I have ever been around by far.  But that is not an apples to apples comparison.

Sure it is. I’m talking about the people that were sitting around us on the 20 yard line in the shoe. Not even counting the sidewalk mouth breathers.
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15 hours ago, XYZ said:

So Fauci doesn’t think the vaccines are worth a shit, I guess.

From the NYT’s daily email. Fauci wants to speculate about variants while real data shows spacing out vaccine shots flattens the curve (the original goal). 
 

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The biggest worry about a longer delay between shots is that it may allow a new variant to develop in people while they are waiting for their second shot and do not yet have full protection. Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top Biden administration adviser, opposes a longer delay largely because of this possibility.

But it remains only a theoretical possibility, as Dr. Catherine Schuster-Bruce, a British health care writer, has noted. There is no data showing that variants are more likely to develop in people who have received only one shot, just as there is no data showing that a three- or four-week gap between shots is ideal.

There is real-world evidence — from Britain — showing large benefits from maximizing the number of people who get one shot.

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