Formerly DT: COVID-19 - Featuring Lots of Politics, now CR because political talk not going away

[DDD Dad 14251]

Fuck it. Y’all won’t have a good faith conversation. I’m out.

[fattyflattie 4636]

Have seen 95% mask usage in Publix etc here in Destin.  About 30% inside the restaurants.  People staring like we are crazy but fuck them, not trying to catch this shit. 

[dcar00 14035]

9 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Fuck it. Y’all won’t have a good faith conversation. I’m out.

bye

[utee94 15745]

4 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Have seen 95% mask usage in Publix etc here in Destin.  About 30% inside the restaurants.  People staring like we are crazy but fuck them, not trying to catch this shit. 

Are you saying it's 30% inside restaurants where people are sitting at tables and eating and drinking?  Are you suggesting that's too low, or too high?  Because I'd expect it to be 0% so maybe I'm not understanding your point?

[Anastasis 23395]

12 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Fuck it. Y’all won’t have a good faith conversation. I’m out.

No mirrors in your world. You evoked the science and failed to deliver. Happy to have an exchange where you are not accusing others of gaslighting and moving the goal posts without doing precisely the things you accuse others of. Good faith and all. 

[fattyflattie 4636]

3 minutes ago, utee94 said:

Are you saying it's 30% inside restaurants where people are sitting at tables and eating and drinking?  Are you suggesting that's too low, or too high?  Because I'd expect it to be 0% so maybe I'm not understanding your point?

No there will be 100+ people of all ages at door waiting to be seated without a single mask.   Wait staff still all masked.  But go into a grocery store and it was as good or better than it’s been in Houston.   

[GRHorn 105]

14 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

Have seen 95% mask usage in Publix etc here in Destin.  About 30% inside the restaurants.  People staring like we are crazy but fuck them, not trying to catch this shit. 

Well shit Florida was like that last summer. 

On a positive note, my neighborhood gas station is 90% no masks. 

Also after today I can tell you if you want a real no mask experience, go to Planet K. 

[GRHorn 105]

21 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

Fuck it. Y’all won’t have a good faith conversation. I’m out.

Better take it back to CR, boss. 😆 

[Sawbonz 27428]

4 hours ago, DDD Dad said:

Wut?

The science is that masks do help prevent spread of airborne communicable diseases.  The science also is that we are not at herd immunity.  The science also is that until we reach herd immunity there is an ongoing risk that variants could develop that would be resistant to vaccines and antibodies.  But irrespective of the science, if you don't know whether those around you have  been vaccinated wear a fucking mask, because to do otherwise is inconsiderate at the least.

I love when lawyers talk about science 

[Telegraph_it 3354]

I have flown commercial a few times with the two kids since the oldest is now over two. I am thankful no flight attendant has asked me to mask the toddler. It’s not going to happen. We tried and he rips off the mask immediately, breaking it most times. 
 

We’d be kicked off the flight. 

[DDD Dad 14251]

No mirrors in your world. You evoked the science and failed to deliver. Happy to have an exchange where you are not accusing others of gaslighting and moving the goal posts without doing precisely the things you accuse others of. Good faith and all. 

What the fuck are you prattling about? You’re just trolling now. My neg finger is getting twitchy.

[DDD Dad 14251]

I love when lawyers talk about science 

I didn’t think I was disagreeing with anything you’d posted.

By all means please tell me where I have misstated any of the science.

[XYZ 2154]

1 minute ago, DDD Dad said:

What the fuck are you prattling about? You’re just trolling now. My Ng finger is getting twitchy.

I thought you were out.

[DDD Dad 14251]

Better take it back to CR, boss.  

Kindly fuck off.

[DDD Dad 14251]

4 minutes ago, XYZ said:

I thought you were out.

Edited May 1, 2021 by DDD Dad

[DDD Dad 14251]

 

[utee94 15745]

46 minutes ago, fattyflattie said:

No there will be 100+ people of all ages at door waiting to be seated without a single mask.   Wait staff still all masked.  But go into a grocery store and it was as good or better than it’s been in Houston.   

Oh well hell, screw that.  I wouldn't go anywhere with a 100+ people waiting to be seated mask or no-mask even PRE-covid.  That right there's your problem.

 

[fattyflattie 4636]

2 minutes ago, utee94 said:

Oh well hell, screw that.  I wouldn't go anywhere with a 100+ people waiting to be seated mask or no-mask even PRE-covid.  That right there's your problem.

 

We didn’t.  Just surprising to see.  Many of them old af too.  I understand many are on vacation and whatnot but man, figured people would at least try to maintain a bit at very tight gatherings.  Oh well, we are still masked for time being and look forward to when we will be able to not be.  

[Anastasis 23395]

19 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

What the fuck are you prattling about? You’re just trolling now. My Ng finger is getting twitchy.

But tell me more about gaslighting. 

[Neonmoon 38127]

10 minutes ago, utee94 said:

Oh well hell, screw that.  I wouldn't go anywhere with a 100+ people waiting to be seated mask or no-mask even PRE-covid.  That right there's your problem.

 

Yeah. If there’s more than a 5-10 minute wait, that’s a big no, pandemic or not, I’m too old for that shit. 

[Bookman 4610]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/04/30/health-202-cdc-mask-guidance-is-still-too-strict-vaccinated-some-experts-say/

Quote

For the vaccinated, the risk of serious illness from the coronavirus — and spreading the virus to others — is vanishingly low.

There have been some cases of breakthrough infections even among those who have received the shot. But based on data posted on the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention website, the risk is tiny — well below 1 percent. Consider the numbers:

• Out of 87 million people vaccinated, 7,157 experienced breakthrough infections.
• Of those, 498 were hospitalized and 88 died.
• So, vaccinated people have a 0.0005 percent chance of hospitalization and a 0.0001 percent chance of dying from the coronavirus.

Those percentages are far lower than the risk of being hospitalized with or dying of the seasonal flu, some experts note. They also represent much less risk than people are willing to take on every day when they drive in their car or engage in a sport.

 

[Bookman 4610]

My two weeks from the second dose expires on Monday at noon. After that, I'm going to act like Covid is over for me. I'll follow mask rules but I'm not going to worry about anything.

[washparkhorn 9935]

Re: California - people sometimes forget the West Coast experienced an initial wave of covid separate from the New York wave. The west coast locked down and ground the wave to a halt before it spread across the country. By the time the 3rd wave hit California, there was widespread Covid fatigue/opposition to virus suppression policies. Covid deaths skyrocketed around Thanksgiving/Christmas in California.

Note: India is just getting its second wave. 

__________________________

Speaking of forgetting about - https://www.covid19sim.org/ is a cool little policy simulator looking at interventions (or fully open with no restrictions) and the app grades the effectiveness of one or sequential covid policies. The policies can be implemented on a national or state level. Developed by Mass Gen/Harvard/Georgia Tech/Boston Med Center.  

[Enchubben 5509]

On 3/2/2021 at 2:10 PM, GreenspointTexas said:

Have u been living under a rock? You can still transmit the disease to others even with vaccination

and no, this mask mandate removal is actually kind of a big deal. Gives people a huge false sense of security when we still need to be hyper vigilant

We are about to land the plane in a typhoon and instead of focusing on the runway and having everyone wear seatbelts, we are jerkin off in the bathroom to zombie porn

Remember when removing the mask mandate was unconscionable and vaccination or not you had to keep wearing a mask? Science!!!!

[Anastasis 23395]

5 hours ago, Bookman said:

For the vaccinated, the risk of serious illness from the coronavirus — and spreading the virus to others — is vanishingly low.

But “the science”.

Insert keyword/catchphrase here.

Gaslighting. 

Edited May 1, 2021 by Anastasis

[Doc Reeves 6434]

SIAP

 

The KSU study, which was published on Apr. 20, determined that house flies are able to carry and transmit COVID. To reach that conclusion, the scientists exposed house flies to COVID in a lab and then tested them for infectivity. Environmental samples were also tested for infectivity after contact with the COVID-exposed flies. Samples were collected at various times after exposure. According to the researchers, they found that "house flies acquired and harbored infectious SARS-CoV-2 for up to 24 [hours] post-exposure."

In addition, the house flies were able to transmit COVID to the surrounding environment up to 24 hours after being exposed to the virus. Environmental samples that were touched by the exposed flies were contaminated with viral RNA, though those samples did not contain an infectious virus.

[Sawbonz 27428]

9 hours ago, DDD Dad said:

I didn’t think I was disagreeing with anything you’d posted.

By all means please tell me where I have misstated any of the science.

You haven’t misstated. Your statement needs qualifiers. You are overstating the current risk and apparently arguing for indefinite mask usage (or maybe just arguing to argue). Of course masks are effective against airborne illness. By midsummer pretty much everyone who wants the vaccine will have had the opportunity to be fully vaxed. We won’t hit 70% of the population, so we will see variants. The science shows vaccinated people  (and likely recovered cases) will be protected from significant illness in those cases. 
 

tldr masks are going away (except planes)

[DDD Dad 14251]

You haven’t misstated. Your statement needs qualifiers. You are overstating the current risk and apparently arguing for indefinite mask usage (or maybe just arguing to argue). Of course masks are effective against airborne illness. By midsummer pretty much everyone who wants the vaccine will have had the opportunity to be fully vaxed. We won’t hit 70% of the population, so we will see variants. The science shows vaccinated people  (and likely recovered cases) will be protected from significant illness in those cases. 
 
tldr masks are going away (except planes)

We are agreeing. My commentary was not intended to suggest mask wearing should continue indefinitely. By the end of June in TX if you haven’t been vaccinated that’s on you. I’m just talking about right now.

[Sawbonz 27428]

20 hours ago, GRHorn said:

So for the foreseeable future he’s going to wear masks around vaccinated people if they come within 6 feet?

This is the post you were responded to. You weren’t clear in your subsequent posts you were referring to just this point in time

@DDD Dad

Edited May 1, 2021 by Sawbonz

[DDD Dad 14251]

This is the post you were responded to. You weren’t clear in your subsequent posts you were referring to just this point in time
[mention=121]DDD Dad[/mention]

I might have been a few drams of Redbreast deep by the time I posted last night.

[gmr548 16511]

We got vaccine out better than y’all anecdotally.

Sweet Lord 8lb 6oz Baby Jesus, no. Where did you get this impression?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-19-vaccine-doses.html#by-state

https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/covid-19-vaccines-delivered-and-administered/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/distributing/first-doses.html

Now, to be fair, it’s important to note that some of this is due to the fact that Texas has a higher percentage of children than anywhere but Utah, which impacts who is eligible. So the gap isn’t as wide as the raw numbers suggest. But saying Texas has outperformed CA on vaccinations is laughable.

And before the aggy brigade comes in hot because the idea that California did something better than Texas hurts their feelings, I’m not speaking in terms of overall pandemic response. I think there’s an interesting discussion to be had there with the benefit of a year plus of hindsight, though this particular thread has proven not to be the place for a good faith discussion. I’m just speaking to Wulaw’s comment on vaccinations above.

[Message Board User 12389]

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[Wulaw Horn 18980]

12 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Sweet Lord 8lb 6oz Baby Jesus, no. Where did you get this impression?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/covid-19-vaccine-doses.html#by-state

https://www.kff.org/other/state-indicator/covid-19-vaccines-delivered-and-administered/?currentTimeframe=0&sortModel=%7B%22colId%22:%22Location%22,%22sort%22:%22asc%22%7D

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/distributing/first-doses.html

Now, to be fair, it’s important to note that some of this is due to the fact that Texas has a higher percentage of children than anywhere but Utah, which impacts who is eligible. So the gap isn’t as wide as the raw numbers suggest. But saying Texas has outperformed CA on vaccinations is laughable.

And before the aggy brigade comes in hot because the idea that California did something better than Texas hurts their feelings, I’m not speaking in terms of overall pandemic response. I think there’s an interesting discussion to be had there with the benefit of a year plus of hindsight, though this particular thread has proven not to be the place for a good faith discussion. I’m just speaking to Wulaw’s comment on vaccinations above.

I said anecdotally. I had a friend that couldn’t get vaccinated in California and literally came to Texas and got vaccinated 38 hours after walking off the plane. My cousin (same age as me) waited 10 more days than I did to get his shot- and he was more concerned about it than I was and I wasn’t exactly hitting F5 non stop. 
I fully expect CA to vaccinate way more people than us. I got the sense though we did a better job of taking care of our demand side than them. 
as I said- anecdotal evidence. 

[Message Board User 12389]

The truth comes out...

 

[Captainant 27451]

23 minutes ago, Wulaw Horn said:

got the sense though we did a better job of taking care of our demand side than them

Well there is a certain demographic that is more vaccine-hesitant and/or believes COVID is a hoax that's more represented in TX than in CA, could have something to do with our ability to meet demand

[Armybrat 40738]

2 hours ago, Doc Reeves said:

SIAP

 

The KSU study, which was published on Apr. 20, determined that house flies are able to carry and transmit COVID. To reach that conclusion, the scientists exposed house flies to COVID in a lab and then tested them for infectivity. Environmental samples were also tested for infectivity after contact with the COVID-exposed flies. Samples were collected at various times after exposure. According to the researchers, they found that "house flies acquired and harbored infectious SARS-CoV-2 for up to 24 [hours] post-exposure."

In addition, the house flies were able to transmit COVID to the surrounding environment up to 24 hours after being exposed to the virus. Environmental samples that were touched by the exposed flies were contaminated with viral RNA, though those samples did not contain an infectious virus.

 

[Brisketexan 104605]

 

We use that thing with great joy. It’s fun as shit, and fuck flies.

[pearlandhorn 3269]

Rant time. Kid (4 years old) is sick with what I think is strep. Tried to get him an appointment to see his doctor yesterday. Doctor said we had to do a telemedicine visit today at 9:30 in order to get a swab test for strep. Fine. Got on the computer and the PA is asking us all these COVID questions. I said he had COVID back in January (positive test by the same pediatrician office we’re at) and she says that all signs are pointing to COVID again and he needs a Covid test and not a strep test.

I’m not a doctor but isn’t it nearly impossible to get this shit twice in 3 months? Additionally, I just want a fucking strep test. He doesn’t have COVID. Doctor’s office, especially pediatric doctors, are so hesitant to see any patients that are sick right now it’s infuriating. He won’t even be seen by a doctor and no one will look in his throat because he can’t go in the office. They’ll only give him a test for Covid and send us home. I’m going to have to go to an urgent care to get a strep test.

Fuck Covid.

Edited May 1, 2021 by pearlandhorn

[Telegraph_it 3354]

10 minutes ago, pearlandhorn said:

Rant time. Kid (4 years old) is sick with what I think is strep. Tried to get him an appointment to see his doctor yesterday. Doctor said we had to do a telemedicine visit today at 9:30 in order to get a swab test for strep. Fine. Got on the computer and the PA is asking us all these COVID questions. I said he had COVID back in January (positive test by the same pediatrician office we’re at) and she says that all signs are pointing to COVID again and he needs a Covid test and not a strep test.

I’m not a doctor but isn’t it nearly impossible to get this shit twice in 3 months? Additionally, I just want a fucking strep test. He doesn’t have COVID. Doctor’s office, especially pediatric doctors, are so hesitant to see any patients that are sick right now it’s infuriating. He won’t even be seen by a doctor and no one will look in his throat because he can’t go in the office. They’ll only give him a test for Covid and send us home. I’m going to have to go to an urgent care to get a strep test.

Fuck Covid.

I get the rage. We had to take our kid to emergency room because pediatrics office won’t see any kids except for routine scheduled appointments. 
 

Surprisingly the hospital didn’t do Covid test on our kid when we got there. 

[utee94 15745]

1 hour ago, DDD Dad said:

I might have been a few drams of Redbreast deep by the time I posted last night.

I figured.  I wasn't trying to be obstinate when I joked about your use of gaslighting/goalposts.  Maybe I'll even drink an IPA in your honor today.

Nah, no I won't.  Live Oak Treehugger it is.

 

[workswithseed 2036]

Yay, Oregon is closed again.

https://www.kptv.com/news/gov-brown-orders-15-oregon-counties-into-extreme-risk-level-starting-friday/article_c332bb3a-a789-11eb-aa6e-275704f01c64.html

Last Friday, Brown said Oregon was experiencing a “fourth surge” of COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations were nearing 300 patients statewide.

Brown said new COVID-19 variants are widespread and if she doesn’t act now, hospital systems and healthcare workers will be stretched to their limits treating these severe cases.

[Newdoc 3433]

2 hours ago, pearlandhorn said:

I’m not a doctor but isn’t it nearly impossible to get this shit twice in 3 months?

Correct and especially as a kid. Doctors offices have become giant titty babies about all of this. Especially since, hopefully, most of their staff is immunized.

I barely test kids for Covid anymore unless I am highly suspicious and/or they’ve been exposed.

My daughter had to go through the same thing in Austin trying to get a strep test. It was ridiculous. I should’ve just had her come home.

[Sawbonz 27428]

2 hours ago, pearlandhorn said:

Rant time. Kid (4 years old) is sick with what I think is strep. Tried to get him an appointment to see his doctor yesterday. Doctor said we had to do a telemedicine visit today at 9:30 in order to get a swab test for strep. Fine. Got on the computer and the PA is asking us all these COVID questions. I said he had COVID back in January (positive test by the same pediatrician office we’re at) and she says that all signs are pointing to COVID again and he needs a Covid test and not a strep test.

I’m not a doctor but isn’t it nearly impossible to get this shit twice in 3 months? Additionally, I just want a fucking strep test. He doesn’t have COVID. Doctor’s office, especially pediatric doctors, are so hesitant to see any patients that are sick right now it’s infuriating. He won’t even be seen by a doctor and no one will look in his throat because he can’t go in the office. They’ll only give him a test for Covid and send us home. I’m going to have to go to an urgent care to get a strep test.

Fuck Covid.

Fuck that. Talk to the office manager and let them know if you can’t come in for a strep test and why you are finding a new pediatrician on Monday 

[pearlandhorn 3269]

I feel like doctors offices just want to tell you you have Covid. It’s the first thing they immediately test for, if you have even a single symptom overlap.

Strep test from urgent care was positive. Covid test from pediatrician was negative. Shocking I tell you.

[Newdoc 3433]

1 hour ago, workswithseed said:

Brown said new COVID-19 variants are widespread and if she doesn’t act now,

This is what happens when you let bureaucrats run public healthcare.

[Okie State 3788]

Rant time. Kid (4 years old) is sick with what I think is strep. Tried to get him an appointment to see his doctor yesterday. Doctor said we had to do a telemedicine visit today at 9:30 in order to get a swab test for strep. Fine. Got on the computer and the PA is asking us all these COVID questions. I said he had COVID back in January (positive test by the same pediatrician office we’re at) and she says that all signs are pointing to COVID again and he needs a Covid test and not a strep test.
I’m not a doctor but isn’t it nearly impossible to get this shit twice in 3 months? Additionally, I just want a fucking strep test. He doesn’t have COVID. Doctor’s office, especially pediatric doctors, are so hesitant to see any patients that are sick right now it’s infuriating. He won’t even be seen by a doctor and no one will look in his throat because he can’t go in the office. They’ll only give him a test for Covid and send us home. I’m going to have to go to an urgent care to get a strep test.
Fuck Covid.

Our daughter recently got sick and a bad rash on her throat. Took her to Urgent Care for strep test...rapid was negative. They suggest we get a Covid test and of course it's not until the next day and we have to drive across town to get it. 24 hours later we get the negative Covid result immediately followed by positive Strep on the culture. Fuck me what a waste of time.

[MajorMajor 109]

Yay, Oregon is closed again.
https://www.kptv.com/news/gov-brown-orders-15-oregon-counties-into-extreme-risk-level-starting-friday/article_c332bb3a-a789-11eb-aa6e-275704f01c64.html
Last Friday, Brown said Oregon was experiencing a “fourth surge” of COVID-19 cases and hospitalizations were nearing 300 patients statewide.
Brown said new COVID-19 variants are widespread and if she doesn’t act now, hospital systems and healthcare workers will be stretched to their limits treating these severe cases.

Nothing to see here...

How does exponential growth work again?

[dcar00 14035]

that's their 3rd surge

[dcar00 14035]

2 hours ago, pearlandhorn said:

I feel like doctors offices just want to tell you you have Covid. It’s the first thing they immediately test for, if you have even a single symptom overlap.

Strep test from urgent care was positive. Covid test from pediatrician was negative. Shocking I tell you.

niece had it in Sept(was like a bad flu for 4 days then felt tired for another week).  in Feb she feels sick.  everyone freaked out and OMG its Covid again. doc says get a Covid test but not at the doc. I'm trying to tell them its not Covid.  they panic and get rapid test for 140.00.  negative.  couple of days later feels fine.

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