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3 minutes ago, SquishMitten said:

Weird question, but why are we still calling this one coronavirus? Haven’t all the previous strains had a nickname? SARS, MERS, etc? Or do the acronyms always come at a later stage?

colloquially it is called the Wuhan coronavirus. nothing catchy yet.

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13 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Just checking in to see who the alarmist idiots are.

 

Edit: How many of you alarmist idiots got your flu shot this year?

 

I mean, I got my flu shot right on time.  But I guess they were outta Wuhan Corona Gonna Kill You Virus shots.  Or maybe I didn't ask the right way.

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12 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Just checking in to see who the alarmist idiots are.

 

Edit: How many of you alarmist idiots got your flu shot this year?

 

Our whole family did and does every year. Influenza is a killer and I'm grateful for the advances in vaccine science.

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21 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Just checking in to see who the alarmist idiots are.

 

Edit: How many of you alarmist idiots got your flu shot this year?

 

I think there is good reason for concern about this virus. It is new to humans so we don't have great immunity against it.

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9 minutes ago, NeverMarryAStripper said:

I always get a flu shot because my lungs are so fucked up that if I get the flu I always end up in the hospital.  So I'm assuming that I'm pretty much fucked with this.  It's been fun.

And because I've been into Final Destination gifs this week:

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49 minutes ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Just checking in to see who the alarmist idiots are.

 

Edit: How many of you alarmist idiots got your flu shot this year?

 

I’m not an alarmist, just friending for a strong hit of virus pron.  My mind has built up a tolerance to Ebola.

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R0 numbers in the 4-5 range?  That's pretty damn contagious.  Measels is still the champ @ around 12+, but shit.  

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We estimated the mean R0 of 2019-nCoV ranging from 3.30 (95%CI: 2.73-3.96) to 5.47 (95%CI: 4.16-7.10) and being 3.98 (95%CI: 3.19-4.92) if the reporting efforts doubled after the diagnostic protocol released on January 17, 2020.

 

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R0 numbers in the 4-5 range?  That's pretty damn contagious.  Measels is still the champ @ around 12+, but shit.  
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We estimated the mean R0 of 2019-nCoV ranging from 3.30 (95%CI: 2.73-3.96) to 5.47 (95%CI: 4.16-7.10) and being 3.98 (95%CI: 3.19-4.92) if the reporting efforts doubled after the diagnostic protocol released on January 17, 2020.
 
Would you please explain what this "R0" is and why a 4-5 R0 is pertinent. Use small words thx.
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5 minutes ago, Parliament said:

 
Would you please explain what this "R0" is and why a 4-5 R0 is pertinent. Use small words thx.

Scale on how contagious a virus is.  It's very fucking contagious, which is scary.  Measels the most contagious pathogem tracked, and this is not too far behind.

Long story short....

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12 minutes ago, Parliament said:

 
Would you please explain what this "R0" is and why a 4-5 R0 is pertinent. Use small words thx.

Others can correct if I got any of this wrong, but it is the average # of people that an infected person infects.  So 1 -> 4.5 -> 20.25 -> 91.125 until:

  • There are not enough uninfected to keep propagating through a population (which is why we quarantine -- to keep the virus contained to a small population in which everyone recovers or dies).
  • The virus burns itself out because its too lethal (killing faster than it spreads, which has often been the case with Ebola outbreaks)
  • A vaccine is discovered to render unexposed humans immune.
  • It becomes a pandemic that infects much of the global population (Influenza, HIV, etc...)

Some other diseases R0 values:

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At first impression it looks a lot like SARS, but with the (strong?) possibility that it has infected a much greater population already.

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2 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Are you saying getting a flu shot is alarmist?

He's stating the opposite. Generally those that get alarmed by these situations have decided the influenza shot is not appropriate for several uninformed reasons.

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Containing new coronavirus may not be feasible, experts say, as they warn of possible sustained global spread

 

Some infectious disease experts are warning that it may no longer be feasible to contain the new coronavirus circulating in China. Failure to stop it there could see the virus spread in a sustained way around the world and even perhaps join the ranks of respiratory viruses that regularly infect people.

“The more we learn about it, the greater the possibility is that transmission will not be able to be controlled with public health measures,” said Dr. Allison McGeer, a Toronto-based infectious disease specialist who contracted SARS in 2003 and who helped Saudi Arabia control several hospital-based outbreaks of MERS.

If that’s the case, she said, “we’re living with a new human virus, and we’re going to find out if it will spread around the globe.” McGeer cautioned that because the true severity of the outbreak isn’t yet known, it’s impossible to predict what the impact of that spread would be, though she noted it would likely pose significant challenges to health care facilities. 

 

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1 hour ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Y'all do realize that even though there isn't a specific vaccine for this WuFlu, the regular ol' flu shot will make it less likely you will get it. And reduce the symptoms if you do get it, right?

 

I wonder how many of the current cases, here and abroad, got their flu shot this year.

This is a different virus than influenza.  Why would a flu shot make it less likely you would get this (even though odds are low anyway) and why would it reduce the symptoms?

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1 hour ago, High Plains Drifter said:

Y'all do realize that even though there isn't a specific vaccine for this WuFlu, the regular ol' flu shot will make it less likely you will get it. And reduce the symptoms if you do get it, right?

This isn’t a strain of influenza.  It’s a different type of virus.  I could be wrong, but I don’t believe a flu shot provides any resistance to corona viruses.

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1 minute ago, BrickHorn said:

This isn’t a strain of influenza.  It’s a different type of virus.  I could be wrong, but I don’t believe a flu shot provides any resistance to corona viruses.

This is my understanding as well.  They're currently trying to expedite a vaccine, but it will take at least a year to roll out and that's a super aggressive timeline.

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7 minutes ago, JesusSweatDuck said:

This is my understanding as well.  They're currently trying to expedite a vaccine, but it will take at least a year to roll out and that's a super aggressive timeline.

I would be an interesting study to see how many people receive the Corona Virus Vaccine (assuming it comes to fruition) who did not get the Influenza Vaccine, specifically if they end up having a similar benefit.

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1 hour ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Y'all do realize that even though there isn't a specific vaccine for this WuFlu, the regular ol' flu shot will make it less likely you will get it. And reduce the symptoms if you do get it, right?

 

I wonder how many of the current cases, here and abroad, got their flu shot this year.

The flu shot only covers two strains A & B if a third strain of the flu pops up like this year the shot has no effect on stopping strain C, D ect.

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16 minutes ago, hopkinsnhorns said:

Supposedly they are close to creating a "universal" flu vaccine.  It focuses on a part of the virus this is common across all strains.  I read about it maybe a week ago.  That will be nice to have.

Great, but influenza and coronavirus are separate entities:

Influenza - Influenza viruses are RNA viruses that make up four of the seven genera of the family Orthomyxoviridae.

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Coronavirus - Coronaviruses are viruses in the subfamily Orthocoronavirinae in the family Coronaviridae, in the order Nidovirales.[4][5] Coronaviruses are enveloped viruses with a positive-sense single-stranded RNA genome and with a nucleocapsid of helical symmetry. The genomic size of coronaviruses ranges from approximately 26 to 32 kilobases, the largest for an RNA virus.

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2 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

R0 numbers in the 4-5 range?  That's pretty damn contagious.  Measels is still the champ @ around 12+, but shit.  

F this shit

That’s because measles is truly airborne.   Not simply “somebody sneezes two feet away from you and you catch some droplets” airborne either.   

It was bugging me that we have dozens of cases of people in other countries flying through or out of Wuhan and being infected.  Never realized Wuhan was a major air hub.  Occam’s razor would lead me to believe it was a few infected people at the airport who passed it on to all of these travelers.   

If these 60 or so who traveled from or through Wuhan to other countries were a true cross-section of the population, in theory, we should have had several in serious condition, and perhaps a few deaths, but take 60 random travelers, at a time when air travel is going to have a ton of returning college students and business travelers heading out after the holidays (plus holiday travelers), and the ages will skew younger than most of those dying in China.   Which is good.  

Like I said, I would still love to know how many are being tested everyday, and the percentage of those testing positive.  If they were making 300 tests a day, and testing the 300 worst cases, and getting almost 100% positive, that’s really bad.  If they were only getting 60% positive, that’s far different.  

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2 hours ago, High Plains Drifter said:

 

Y'all do realize that even though there isn't a specific vaccine for this WuFlu, the regular ol' flu shot will make it less likely you will get it. And reduce the symptoms if you do get it, right?

 

I wonder how many of the current cases, here and abroad, got their flu shot this year.

Did you read that on Facebook?

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39 minutes ago, hopkinsnhorns said:

Supposedly they are close to creating a "universal" flu vaccine.  It focuses on a part of the virus this is common across all strains.  I read about it maybe a week ago.  That will be nice to have.

May have already been mentioned in this thread but perfect timing for Netflix to release "pendemic" with this going on.  I'm only one episode in and part of the story involves scientist trying to develop a universal vaccine.

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26 minutes ago, Bevo said:

Great, but influenza and coronavirus are separate entities:

Influenza - Influenza viruses are RNA viruses that make up four of the seven genera of the family Orthomyxoviridae.

450px-EM_of_influenza_virus.jpg

 

 

 

Coronavirus - Coronaviruses are viruses in the subfamily Orthocoronavirinae in the family Coronaviridae, in the order Nidovirales.[4][5] Coronaviruses are enveloped viruses with a positive-sense single-stranded RNA genome and with a nucleocapsid of helical symmetry. The genomic size of coronaviruses ranges from approximately 26 to 32 kilobases, the largest for an RNA virus.

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Didn't mean to suggest that the two (flu vs. coronavirus) were related, but the previous poster was talking about the different strains of flu.  I just wanted to share some news.

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