Formerly DT: COVID-19 - Featuring Lots of Politics, now CR because political talk not going away

[Trey3216 15,352]

47 minutes ago, Blotto said:

Too bad. Elon could have invented an electric miniaturized spaceship that navigates your blood vessels and attacks the coronavirus with miniaturized flamethrowers.

 

And then accused everybody of buggering little boys. 

And then blamed people for not being vegans 

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4,977]

56 minutes ago, Blotto said:

Too bad. Elon could have invented an electric miniaturized spaceship that navigates your blood vessels and attacks the coronavirus with miniaturized flamethrowers.

 

And then accused everybody of buggering little boys. 

Pretty sure Ms. Frizzle beat him to it. Except for the last part.

[Colonel Sanders 1,367]

6 hours ago, wild_turkey said:

I realize the national media has a hard time breaking away from impeachment or election coverage, but I'm somewhat surprised the quarantined Diamond Princess cruise ship isn't a bigger story on a daily basis.

There are hundreds of Americans on board, some of which have tested positive for coronavirus. The number of infected people continues to climb. We have a poster on this thread who gets updates from friends on board, yet none of the national media seems to have interviews or details of the conditions on the ship. What are people doing? What is the medical care like when people are infected? What is the daily screening procedure? What's the morale? Has anyone dropped a baby over the edge yet?

It baffles me that this story isn't a top headline. I would expect it to be somewhat similar to the Thai soccer team that was trapped in a cave in terms of media coverage.

I agree with you.   The Coronavirus seems like it would be a 24 hour news outlet's wet dream.  I don't know that I've ever seen a series of stories more captivating.  It's something straight out of a horror movie.  So many different angles both in the US and abroad, but I've barely seen any coverage on any of the dedicated domestic news channels.  It's sad when the best news outlet on what is happening in China is fucking twitter.

[atomheartbevo 89,778]

34 minutes ago, Colonel Sanders said:

I agree with you.   The Coronavirus seems like it would be a 24 hour news outlet's wet dream.  I don't know that I've ever seen a series of stories more captivating.  It's something straight out of a horror movie.  So many different angles both in the US and abroad, but I've barely seen any coverage on any of the dedicated domestic news channels.  It's sad when the best news outlet on what is happening in China is fucking twitter.

Absolutely.  Honestly, this shit sounds like it’s right up Fox News’s alley, at least for the talking idiots in the evening, or it should be on Alex Jones’s sites 24/7.   It’s got communists, government conspiracies, non-whites, socialism, dictatorship, it’s easy to boil down into 60-second sound bites, and you can make all kinds of shit out of sketchy, poorly translated social media posts with captivating videos and photos   

It’s really bizarre - it should be their wet dream.    It’s getting covered by Alex Jones, but not the kind of coverage I’d have expected out of him.   People have mentioned FNC has a lot of things going on, and Rupert Murdoch may have a particular slant because of all of his interests all over the Pacific, but still.  

Unfortunately, we will have to get some deaths here in America, before the coverage kicks up.  

[atomheartbevo 89,778]

5 hours ago, Hmbre97 said:

Unless WHO is going to make them stop fucking with/eating the local rabid wildlife, it's kind of a moot point.

I’m concerned about people who are cool with eating bats and live mice, taking that next step up the food chain.  

[atomheartbevo 89,778]

3 hours ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

Perhaps I do.  Can you point me to where the WHO or the CDC or the US Surgeon General or similar type experts that speak with authority call out China? The only thing I see is those type organizations bending over backwards to not offend China.

This is probably not quite what you want, but they are saying it’s out of control.  

 

[atomheartbevo 89,778]

Well that sucks

He was inspecting the cruise ship.  

[atomheartbevo 89,778]

Close to 200 Georgia residents being monitored   Paging @Bama Chick @bamachine  You have to stop it before it gets too far west

https://www.ajc.com/news/close-200-georgia-residents-are-being-monitored-for-coronavirus/U343j1oHXVLPD6A2EvRO3I/

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Nearly 200 Georgia residents are quarantined in their homes after returning from recent trips to China, where a deadly new coronavirus has sickened more than 40,000 people. 

So far, Georgia authorities said Tuesday, none of the Georgia residents has shown symptoms of the virus. And none visited China’s Hubei province, the epicenter of coronavirus outbreak. They are sequestered because they traveled to other parts of th

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Georgia authorities were avoiding using the word quarantine, saying instead that people are being isolated in their homes for 14 days, the illness’ incubation period. 

 

[wild_turkey 3,181]

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

He was inspecting the cruise ship.  

There should be a program where terminally ill people can sign up for these jobs and get money for their families. Or perhaps let convicted nonviolent criminals do it as a redemption gig to take time off their sentence.

Or else just keep the entire ship isolated and not send healthy people on board for any reason. Food can be delivered by unmanned boats.

[Hagbard Celine 10,909]

6 hours ago, gecko said:

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/article240174858.html

A traveler was planning to bring a small package of tiny dead birds from China as cat food, but U.S. Customs and Border Protection officials stepped in.

Agricultural specialists seized a packet of small dead birds that was in a traveler’s luggage at the Washington Dulles International Airport, CBP said in a news release.

What the ever loving f*ck!!!!

china.  nuke the site from orbit.

[BradInATX 9,208]

10 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Close to 200 Georgia residents being monitored   Paging @Bama Chick @bamachine  You have to stop it before it gets too far west

https://www.ajc.com/news/close-200-georgia-residents-are-being-monitored-for-coronavirus/U343j1oHXVLPD6A2EvRO3I/

 

Going to Atlanta next week for work. Nice knowing ya'll.

[Hagbard Celine 10,909]

7 hours ago, gsoda3 said:

that's from 4 days ago.

i missed that and it wasn't my intent but that fact double-proves my assertion that the global embargo on real-time reporting on this subject is pervasive and coordinated.

because truthers by definition can't speak the truth, this assertion is downed because of the messenger, despite the clear and obvious evidence to the contrary.

if the lead paper in new zealand hasn't put out a story on the topic in 4 days..... welp, Airstrip 1.

[Hagbard Celine 10,909]

5 hours ago, PilotsError said:

Oh.

Airstrip 1.

[atomheartbevo 89,778]

16 minutes ago, wild_turkey said:

There should be a program where terminally ill people can sign up for these jobs and get money for their families. Or perhaps let convicted nonviolent criminals do it as a redemption gig to take time off their sentence.

Or else just keep the entire ship isolated and not send healthy people on board for any reason. Food can be delivered by unmanned boats.

He is probably going to be their poster child for making sure your PPE is properly worn and maintained.  

On a side note, I was at the dentist for a cleaning, and was asked if I had been to China in the past month, or had contact with anybody who had.  The urge to spit in her face and scream “bitch, have you been looking at my Facebook?  Just because I partied there for the Chinese New Year, and have a cough that won’t go away, doesn’t mean I got that beer virus!” was canceled out by the desire not to appear in the mugshot thread.  

[Hagbard Celine 10,909]

4 hours ago, Loco said:

 

this is huge.  it should give the ministry of information a datapoint to allow additional reporting.

[atomheartbevo 89,778]

This is the day after they change what counts as a confirmed case, and Right before they try to ramp up the factories.

Those numbers are way off, if Hubei is racking up 95% of the deaths.   There are thousands of cases outside of Hubei, and nearly 500 outside of China, and yet the number of deaths is minuscule compared to Hubei   

 

[Hagbard Celine 10,909]

4 hours ago, Loco said:

ezpz  

C.D.C. and W.H.O. Offers to Help China Have Been Ignored for Weeks

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/07/health/cdc-coronavirus-china.html

if you can get behind the paywall, please try to textise the url and post the plaintext.  thank you.

https://www.textise.net/

[ButtFumble 5,183]

38 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Close to 200 Georgia residents being monitored   Paging @Bama Chick @bamachine  You have to stop it before it gets too far west

https://www.ajc.com/news/close-200-georgia-residents-are-being-monitored-for-coronavirus/U343j1oHXVLPD6A2EvRO3I/

 

once it gets to the swamps of Louisiana it will either be stopped dead in it's tracks or magnify by 1,000X

[Stella Link 534]

Apparently, the virus is expected to burn itself out within six months.  It doesn't like sunlight, temperature and humidity, so Houston is safe...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-expert-says-knows-virus-204850255.html

 

 

[Blotto 23,568]

58 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

People have mentioned FNC has a lot of things going on, and Rupert Murdoch may have a particular slant because of all of his interests all over the Pacific, but still.

Knowing Murdoch, its likely he has several Asian concubines, but let's refrain from the racist pejoratives, sir.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,142]

if you can get behind the paywall, please try to textise the url and post the plaintext.  thank you.

https://www.textise.net/

 

GLOBAL HEALTH

 

C.D.C. and W.H.O. Offers to Help China Have Been Ignored for Weeks

 

Privately, Chinese doctors say they need outside expertise. But Beijing, without saying why, has shown no interest so far.

 

 

 

By Donald G. McNeil Jr. and Zolan Kanno-Youngs

 

Feb. 7, 2020

 

For more than a month, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been offering to send a team of experts to China to observe its coronavirus outbreak and help if it can.

 

Normally, teams from the agency’s Epidemic Intelligence Service can be in the air within 24 hours.

 

But no invitation has come — and no one can publicly explain why.

 

The World Health Organization, which made a similar offer about two weeks ago, appears to be facing the same cold shoulder, though a spokeswoman said it is just “sorting out arrangements.”

 

Current and former public health officials and diplomats, speaking anonymously for fear of upsetting diplomatic relations, said they believe the reluctance comes from China’s top leaders, who do not want the world to think they need outside help.

 

In 2003, China was badly stung by criticism of its response to SARS, another coronavirus epidemic; it has also been embroiled in a trade war with the United States for more than a year.

 

Some experts also say that outsiders could discover aspects of the outbreak that are embarrassing to China: for example, the country has not revealed how many of its doctors and nurses have died fighting the disease.

 

But China does need help, experts argue.

In private phone calls and texts, some Chinese colleagues have indicated that they are overwhelmed and would welcome not just extra hands, but specialized expertise in a couple of fields.

 

Also, C.D.C. officials have said that they hope to learn more about the new coronavirus from their Chinese counterparts to improve the American response if the virus starts to spread widely here.

 

On Friday, Alex M. Azar II, secretary of health and human services, said at a news briefing that he had recently reiterated the offer of a team to his Chinese counterpart, Dr. Ma Xiaowei.

 

Asked what the holdup was, he answered: “It’s up to the Chinese. We continue to expect fully that President Xi will accept our offer. We're ready and willing and able to go.”

On Jan. 29, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, the W.H.O.’s director general, returned from a brief trip to China full of praise for President Xi Jinping and the country’s extraordinarily aggressive response, which has nearly walled off Hubei Province from the rest of the country and the world.

 

China had “agreed to a mission of international experts” to better understand disease transmission and clinical severity, Dr. Michael Ryan, the W.H.O’s emergency response chief, said at the time.

 

Asked if that team would include American experts, Dr. Tedros replied that “best would be a bilateral arrangement.”

 

On Thursday, a W.H.O. spokeswoman said that there was no delay in the organization’s own mission to China.

 

“Our understanding is that the mission is on,” Marcia Poole, the spokeswoman, said. But she could not say when the team would leave or who would be on it.

 

“It’s a matter of sorting out the arrangements,” she added, noting that Dr. Ryan had said a team would “need representation from North and South, East and West, with relevant areas of expertise.”

 

 

The United States has offered Dr. Tedros 13 specialists who are ready to go, Mr. Azar said.

 

The two fields in which China appears to need outside help, experts said, are molecular virology and epidemiology.

The first involves sequencing the virus’s genome and manipulating it to refine diagnostic tests, treatments and vaccine candidates.

 

The second involves figuring out basic questions like who gets infected and who does not, how long the incubation period is, why some victims die, how many other people each victim infects and how commonly hospital outbreaks are occurring.

“This isn’t rocket science, it’s basic stuff — but it’s been five weeks and we still don’t know the answers,” one expert said.

 

It would be very useful, for example, to have a blood test for antibodies. That would make it possible to see how many infected people had recovered, which would make it clearer as to how lethal the virus is — and how widespread.

 

A major epidemiological failure by China is that the Wuhan authorities appear to have closed and disinfected the seafood market that was the outbreak’s early focus without swabbing individual animals and their cages and without drawing blood from everyone working there. That would have provided a wealth of information about which animal might have been the source of the coronavirus and which people had become infected but survived.

 

Asked what had happened to the animals — whether they had been burned or buried, for instance, one expert said: “No one can tell me that. I don’t think they know.”

 

China has greatly improved its ability to fight disease since it was embarrassed by SARS, and its scientists now frequently publish in major medical journals.

 

Many of them trained at the American C.D.C. and have friends there.

 

“We have a decade-long relationship,” Mr. Azar said Friday. “It’s not an accident that it’s called the Chinese C.D.C.”

 

Experts raised a related concern: China’s scientists are given large rewards for publishing in prestigious journals. That creates an incentive to hold back samples and data until publication. Although the American C.D.C. has in the past sometimes had fraught relations with other countries because it used their samples and published analyses of them without giving credit they felt was due, its first priority was still to issue epidemic warnings if they were needed and then to publish later.

 

“In an epidemic, you don’t want information held back,” one expert said. “You want transparency.”

 

Donald G. McNeil Jr. is a science reporter covering epidemics and diseases of the world’s poor. He joined The Times in 1976, and has reported from 60 countries.  

 

Zolan Kanno-Youngs is the homeland security correspondent, based in Washington. He covers immigration, border issues, cyber security, transnational crime and other national security threats. 

 

If I deleted a line around a photo, oops.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Hagbard Celine 10,909]

thanks pen.  i guess your adventures will be slowing down, or do you have a compound in cusco to retreat to.

[Colonel Sanders 1,367]

TLDW: this relatively smaller funeral home took in 127 bodies yesterday and cremated 116.  This is 4 to 5 times their normal number of cremations.  Thanks New Tang Dynasty Television for actually doing some digging.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,142]

thanks pen.  i guess your adventures will be slowing down, or do you have a compound in cusco to retreat to.

I'm in Copenhagen at the moment unable to sleep as I'm watching NH. Tomorrow AM is going to suck.

[Hagbard Celine 10,909]

from penelope's plaintext:

 

The United States has offered Dr. Tedros 13 specialists who are ready to go, Mr. Azar said.  The two fields in which China appears to need outside help, experts said, are molecular virology and epidemiology.  The first involves sequencing the virus’s genome and manipulating it to refine diagnostic tests, treatments and vaccine candidates.

The second involves figuring out basic questions like who gets infected and who does not, how long the incubation period is, why some victims die, how many other people each victim infects and how commonly hospital outbreaks are occurring.  “This isn’t rocket science, it’s basic stuff — but it’s been five weeks and we still don’t know the answers,” one expert said.

[Hagbard Celine 10,909]

2 minutes ago, PenelopeWitherspoon said:

12 minutes ago, Hagbard Celine said:

thanks pen.  i guess your adventures will be slowing down, or do you have a compound in cusco to retreat to.

I'm in Copenhagen at the moment unable to sleep as I'm watching NH. Tomorrow AM is going to suck.

#teamklob

[Fastbreak 3,990]

36 minutes ago, Stella Link said:

Apparently, the virus is expected to burn itself out within six months.  It doesn't like sunlight, temperature and humidity, so Houston is safe...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-expert-says-knows-virus-204850255.html

 

 

I guess that's why it is spreading in Singapore. It's cold as fuck here

[InkaUtexas 26,072]

Chinese traditional medicine to the rescue. We believe in the traditional medicines, but lets keep pumping DDT into the air! 

 

In a recent article published on a public WeChat account for medical news, Tang Ying, the director of a county-level hospital in Henan province, describes how she's keeping her doctors safe from the coronavirus by giving them Chinese medicine. 

Administrative staff who aren't directly in contact with patients take dried ginger soup with licorice. Doctors who are working in the fever clinics should add Guizhi Tang — a cinnamon-based formula — as well as Fuling, a fungus, and Bai Zhu, an herb often used in Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) remedies for its assumed benefits ranging from immune support to strengthening spleen function. 

"This time at the front of the battlefield against the new coronavirus, Chinese medicine must not be absent," Tang wrote.  

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-how-helpful-is-traditional-chinese-medicine-for-fighting-the-disease/a-52337292

[InkaUtexas 26,072]

2 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Well that sucks

He was inspecting the cruise ship.  

Same ship in the news.... 

 

[RayDog 682]

5 hours ago, Fastbreak said:

I guess that's why it is spreading in Singapore. It's cold as fuck here

The outbreak in Thailand should subside when it starts warming up. It is a chill 92 degrees F today.

[Fastbreak 3,990]

2 hours ago, RayDog said:

The outbreak in Thailand should subside when it starts warming up. It is a chill 92 degrees F today.

86 now in Singapore, 89 high today. Pretty much the same as every day.

[Colonel Sanders 1,367]

Yeah, I've seen quite a bit about viruses not being able to transmit well in hotter,  wetter climates.   However,  I wonder how much air conditioning would factor in to those estimates.   Almost all places where people live and congregate are now air conditioned, even in poorer countries. 

[RayDog 682]

9 minutes ago, Fastbreak said:

86 now in Singapore, 89 high today. Pretty much the same as every day.

The high is 86 where I live in the Philippines but we are heading into the Philippine summer that runs from March to June when rainy season starts and disease transmission gets worse. That may slow the  spread for a few months but not stop it in air conditioned buildings or between  people in close contact. There are now over 400 people under observation  here with no documented local transmission, yet. Travel from China was banned about a week ago and the cost of flights to the US have doubled. I have seen Chinese tourists wheeling their suitcases down the street. I assume they are stranded and looking for new places to sleep.

My girlfriend's dry cough is worse today. I took her to the hospital today for a thyroid checkup (post radioiodine treatment for toxic thyroid). I did not see any signs of an epidemic yet among the other patients. I have been stocking up on supplies.

[Bevo 13,596]

Based solely on the numbers infected, the only people truly fucked right now are China and the cruise ship passengers. And possibly Raydog.

[ButtFumble 5,183]

1 hour ago, RayDog said:

The high is 86 where I live in the Philippines but we are heading into the Philippine summer that runs from March to June when rainy season starts and disease transmission gets worse. That may slow the  spread for a few months but not stop it in air conditioned buildings or between  people in close contact. There are now over 400 people under observation  here with no documented local transmission, yet. Travel from China was banned about a week ago and the cost of flights to the US have doubled. I have seen Chinese tourists wheeling their suitcases down the street. I assume they are stranded and looking for new places to sleep.

My girlfriend's dry cough is worse today. I took her to the hospital today for a thyroid checkup (post radioiodine treatment for toxic thyroid). I did not see any signs of an epidemic yet among the other patients. I have been stocking up on supplies.

you have to wonder how Rodrigo Duterte  will handle things if the disease shows up more

he is not backing down on stronger ties with China though

[MoJames 8,244]

Chinese traditional medicine to the rescue. We believe in the traditional medicines, but lets keep pumping DDT into the air! 
 

In a recent article published on a public WeChat account for medical news, Tang Ying, the director of a county-level hospital in Henan province, describes how she's keeping her doctors safe from the coronavirus by giving them Chinese medicine. 

Administrative staff who aren't directly in contact with patients take dried ginger soup with licorice. Doctors who are working in the fever clinics should add Guizhi Tang — a cinnamon-based formula — as well as Fuling, a fungus, and Bai Zhu, an herb often used in Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) remedies for its assumed benefits ranging from immune support to strengthening spleen function. 

"This time at the front of the battlefield against the new coronavirus, Chinese medicine must not be absent," Tang wrote.  

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-how-helpful-is-traditional-chinese-medicine-for-fighting-the-disease/a-52337292

I just hope they arent forgetting the all important Reiki.

[bernorange 8,363]

Relax folks.  Problem solved.

Quote

...
Swami Chakrapani Maharaj, president of the Hindu Mahasabha—a century-old organization that advocates Hindutva (or “Hinduness”)—declared that “consuming cow urine and cow dung will stop the effect of infectious coronavirus.” The swami added that a “person who chants ‘om namah shivay’ and applies cow dung” on his body “will be saved.” The Sanskrit chant is a salutation to Shiva, a Hindu deity.
...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-cow-dung-cure-for-coronavirus-11581378967

[immortal13 4,059]

5 minutes ago, bernorange said:

Relax folks.  Problem solved.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-cow-dung-cure-for-coronavirus-11581378967

Paywall. I tried cow dung against it but it didn't work. 

Edited February 12, 2020 by immortal13

[InkaUtexas 26,072]

5 minutes ago, bernorange said:

Relax folks.  Problem solved.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-cow-dung-cure-for-coronavirus-11581378967

Stupid Gringo. It is because the ecoli and Coronavirus will fight to the death, thus saving your pagan soul. 

[NoName 16,369]

9 hours ago, InkaUtexas said:

Same ship in the news.... 

 

[davidg 4,038]

16 hours ago, Blotto said:

Too bad. Elon could have invented an electric miniaturized spaceship that navigates your blood vessels and attacks the coronavirus with miniaturized flamethrowers.

 

Raquel Welch coursing through my bloodstream.  Sign me up.

[BearSchlong 8,109]

I hope you’re right, but with the 14 day incubation period we might not know the full extent yet. 
 
how long was the Beaumont guy Walking around before he went to the the hospital?  How many people did he pass it along to who still aren’t showing symptoms. How many people are they passing it long to. Hell, 28 days from now 1/5 of SE Texas might have it!  

https://www.12newsnow.com/article/news/local/beaumont-attorney-tested-for-coronavirus-spent-four-days-in-isolation-room/502-85b6e902-c1df-43bc-9c8d-70fea39633ad

Mark's been a close friend since we were toddlers, now that he doxxed himself I can post this.

He said the majority of those 4 days was waiting for the CDC to process the test.

[InkaUtexas 26,072]

6 minutes ago, BearSchlong said:

https://www.12newsnow.com/article/news/local/beaumont-attorney-tested-for-coronavirus-spent-four-days-in-isolation-room/502-85b6e902-c1df-43bc-9c8d-70fea39633ad

Mark's been a close friend since we were toddlers, now that he doxxed himself I can post this.

He said the majority of those 4 days was waiting for the CDC to process the test.

Dear Mark, stop eating shit in China. I kid, I kid. T&P to Mark. 

[Texas_Rocks 347]

[Skipper 6,192]

5 hours ago, Colonel Sanders said:

Yeah, I've seen quite a bit about viruses not being able to transmit well in hotter,  wetter climates.   However,  I wonder how much air conditioning would factor in to those estimates.   Almost all places where people live and congregate are now air conditioned, even in poorer countries. 

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that why we have 'flu season' in the US in the colder months?  I mean we all have air conditioning here yet flu transmission drops considerably once it starts warming up.

[Helobious 9,464]

Dumb question amnesty: viruses and bacteria thrive in warm, humid conditions as far as I know. So why isn’t summertime peak sickness season? 

[SquishMitten 10,425]

24 minutes ago, Helobious said:

Dumb question amnesty: viruses and bacteria thrive in warm, humid conditions as far as I know. So why isn’t summertime peak sickness season? 

You could read 10 different studies and get 10 different answers on that. More sunlight (UV rays) in the summer, less congregating indoors in the summer, cold air is typically drier and allows virus molecules you cough/sneeze to drift farther and linger in the air longer, cold air hardens the exterior of molecules and makes them more resistant to external factors whereas warm air softens them, etc. The most interesting study I recently read is that in our climate, viruses thrive far better in cold, dry conditions. But in warmer climates (places that don't really have a winter), transmission of the flu is basically the opposite, and it spreads more rapidly when there's high humidity and lots of rain.

[achooloco 1,077]

Seeing that there is a non peer reviewed study that claims the virus could have started infecting people between 3-7 months before people starred to realize it was new and the outbreak really caught on. Anyone else reading that?

[Dbeasy 15,084]

Yeah, I've seen quite a bit about viruses not being able to transmit well in hotter,  wetter climates.   However,  I wonder how much air conditioning would factor in to those estimates.   Almost all places where people live and congregate are now air conditioned, even in poorer countries. 

Quick order 4,000,000 wood stoves and light ‘em up.

[UDontKnow 10,447]

48 minutes ago, achooloco said:

Seeing that there is a non peer reviewed study that claims the virus could have started infecting people between 3-7 months before people starred to realize it was new and the outbreak really caught on. Anyone else reading that?

Link please? I would be interested in reading this publication. Is it a case series? opinion paper? narrative review?