Formerly DT: COVID-19 - Featuring Lots of Politics, now CR because political talk not going away

[Murfdogg21 4412]

23 minutes ago, utee94 said:

Hey buckeye n00b, welcome to hornfans circa 15 years ago.  Or was it austin360?

yagsiVaBuckeye idoit 

[Trey3216 15325]

1 minute ago, Mikey4 said:

28 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

Yep.  It’s almost comical how people just blurt out “the government should mandate this!!!!” when that isn’t even fucking remotely feasible right now.  Masks were gone from shelves in late February.  His is a completely ignorant take 

Wrong. Educate yourself before making these claims. There is a difference between N95 respirators and generic face coverings.

I have not seen any type of face covering at a store since February, that includes the generic dust masks for construction/painting/etc .  Then again I haven’t been scouring every store to find them.  But I’ve been to HD, Lowe’s and other places multiple times in the last month and haven’t seen any of those either.  Educate me on how to Educate myself on what the difference bwteeen the masks are, since I’m well fucking in tune to said differences. 

[Mikey4 2476]

I have not seen any type of face covering at a store since February, that includes the generic dust masks for construction/painting/etc .  Then again I haven’t been scouring every store to find them.  But I’ve been to HD, Lowe’s and other places multiple times in the last month and haven’t seen any of those either.  Educate me on how to Educate myself on what the difference bwteeen the masks are, since I’m well fucking in tune to said differences. 

Right, because -- guess what? -- people purchased them. If someone has a mask, there's no reason to leave in on a shelf at home. That makes no sense. He should wear it. If someone doesn't have a mask, then he should cover his face with something else. It's not that hard.

[zork 629]

Dallas County order:

A detailed list of what qualifies as "essential activities" and "essential business" is included in the document below:

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronavirus/dallas-county-to-give-update-on-covid-19-restrictions/2336502/

Scroll to page 3, "b" of the embedded order.

 

 

[Hmmm 155]

in terms of N95 respirators and generic face coverings.. a quick search shows:

However, some N95 respirators are intended for use in a health care setting. Specifically, single-use, disposable respiratory protective devices used and worn by health care personnel during procedures to protect both the patient and health care personnel from the transfer of microorganisms, body fluids, and particulate material. 

https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/personal-protective-equipment-infection-control/n95-respirators-and-surgical-masks-face-masks#s4

 

note in bold because previous discussions indicated "general" masks were only beneficial to the carrier and reducing transmitting and had no benefit to people not infected.

Edited March 23, 2020 by Hmmm

[bernorange 8346]

Just now, Mikey4 said:

... If someone doesn't have a mask, then he should cover his face with something else. It's not that hard.

Balaclavas FTW.  We're all ninjas now.

[BurntOrange&White 39486]

Are the expecting California to be a helluva lot worse than we think, if they are getting the hospital ship and other stuff?   I mean, we know it’s bad, but it sounds like it’s going to be really bad.   Would explain the shelter in place.   

I’d assume California acted first and fastest instead of “waiting and see” like our politicians seem to have done and continuing to do.

[RayDog 682]

38 minutes ago, Casual Encounter said:

It’s really mind bottling that people don’t understand we don’t have enough masks for medical personnel but expect the government to mandate everyone use them.

There are enough masks for the 100 million people in the Philippines.  The cialis/viagra vendors are all selling masks now. Most are not N95 or surgical grade but they are better than nothing for wearing outside with other people around. There is no excuse for people in the us to have nothing to wear as a mask.

I have two N95 masks I bought over a month ago, when my order from the previous month was canceled. I alternate them so they dry between uses and wash them every couple days. I realize that washing them reduces their effectiveness,  but it will have to do for now. 

[ABSR 5289]

7 minutes ago, RayDog said:

I have two N95 masks I bought over a month ago, when my order from the previous month was canceled. I alternate them so they dry between uses and wash them every couple days. I realize that washing them reduces their effectiveness,  but it will have to do for now. 

So same procedure with masks as girlfriends.

[RayDog 682]

8 minutes ago, Hmmm said:

 

note in bold because previous discussions indicated "general" masks were only beneficial to the carrier and reducing transmitting and had no benefit to people not infected.

That is bullshit as evident from the many countries effectively controlling the spread by having everyone wear a mask. If for no other reason, it forces asymptomatic carriers or people with mild symptoms to wear a mask. It also at the very least minimizes face touching by uninfected people so to say it has no benefit is pure bullshit.

[Bevo 13493]

If anyone is interested in a simple two-page explanation of masks: https://www.cardinalhealth.com/content/dam/corp/web/documents/whitepaper/Face Mask Selection Guide.pdf

It is in pdf but if someone wants to put it in a format to paste on this site go ahead.

[atomheartbevo 89362]

Which Surlyster (or their friend) was a patient on the same floor at BAMC as the covid patients?

https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/First-coronavirus-death-reported-in-Bexar-County-15149588.php

Quote

San Antonio has recorded its first death from the coronavirus, city officials said Sunday.

The patient, a woman in her 80s, was being treated at Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio and had a history of underlying health issues. She died Saturday in hospice care. The exact location is unknown and still being investigated. No other information about the patient or her case was released.

 

[2300 Nueces 163]

1 hour ago, Hmmm said:

as a a non-doctor, even the doctors are having trouble keeping up with the facts.  i still don't know if coffee is good or bad for me. studies, mass information, and sound statistics can help reduce the amount of error, but we're far from that in this scenario.  how could we be even close if we don't even know if coffee is bad or good.  still, trust your doctor. 

that said, i feel grateful having posters like @Newdoc chiming in with insight and @2300 Nueces, (probably not a doctor) posting relative suggestions even if most are non-conclusive.  

i am drafting my own medical cocktail (no homo). 

I have it.  I caught it from my brother who has it. His wife has it.  My whole family has it.  It has the potential to be nasty.  I have 2 kids who have had no symptoms and 2 that have had relatively mild symptoms.  My brother (46 and his wife 42) have been hit rather hard.  They are heavy drinkers and she is a smoker.  I still have symptoms on day 6 but they are mild.  I started with pain in my neck (lymph nodes) that shot to my head and became a nasty headache.  I have not taken any advil or pain killers.  I had no fever.  No squirts.  I have had neck pain, headache, fatigue, cough and some breathing issues.  Tonight is day 6 for me and I am feeling better.  I had to drive 1.5 hours to get my brother some of the items i posted up thread.  He and his wife were on day 9 and were not recovering *danger zone*.  No one wanted to go help but knowing I caught it from him, I decided to try.  i gave them the myricetin, isatis root extract, and buplerum root extract(helicase, protease inhibitors).  She barfed it all up initially.  Once she got a smaller amount down, she passed out.  I wouldn't say either is in good health.  Today, I received a text that she felt 100% better.  He was the same.  I do not sell any of this stuff.  I gleaned the info from the national health library archives.  Myricetin is not attainable at this point but the isatis root extract is and mega doses are out there for cheap. 

 

Some other things that help.  My wife, and 2 non symptom children are in great physical health.  They are swimmers and my wife is a dietician, BS in nutrition from aggy.  I am almost 50 so I am no spring chicken but do consume a lot of fruits and vegetables, hit them hard.  Stay away from processed sugar.  Processed sugar kills the immune system.

Edited March 23, 2020 by 2300 Nueces

[Hmmm 155]

4 minutes ago, RayDog said:

That is bullshit as evident from the many countries effectively controlling the spread by having everyone wear a mask. If for no other reason, it forces asymptomatic carriers or people with mild symptoms to wear a mask. It also at the very least minimizes face touching by uninfected people so to say it has no benefit is pure bullshit.

don't disagree.   was pointing out the difference between generic masks and health grade.  also, referenced the source (.gov website) and won't go CR.  i think it's safe to assume there are different grades of masks in terms or mitigation for both carrier and non-carrier.

 

[Zepol87 9163]

27 minutes ago, zork said:

Dallas County order:

A detailed list of what qualifies as "essential activities" and "essential business" is included in the document below:

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/coronavirus/dallas-county-to-give-update-on-covid-19-restrictions/2336502/

Scroll to page 3, "b" of the embedded order.

 

 

Maybe dumb question anmesty... How will this enforced? What happens to business owners who say fuck it we are open? 

[Hmmm 155]

i for one, respect our towelie overlords.

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

1 hour ago, Hagbard Celine said:

We already have such an entity that is the best at Command and Control on the planet, and is in possession of a jabillion dollars worth of livingry that could be on the ground at Air Force bases in 36 hours.

It's called The Pentagon.

[BurntOrange&White 39486]

Maybe dumb question anmesty... How will this enforced? What happens to business owners who say fuck it we are open? 

Probably similar to the aquarium in San Antonio that was open. Police will force them to close doors and issued fines and etc.

[Trey3216 15325]

16 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Which Surlyster (or their friend) was a patient on the same floor at BAMC as the covid patients?

https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/article/First-coronavirus-death-reported-in-Bexar-County-15149588.php

 

That would be me.  My buddy was undergoing chemo, and is set for surgery on April 6 since the chemo didn’t fully do it’s job, on the same floor as the COVID patients.  

[closetojumping 62132]

14 minutes ago, 2300 Nueces said:

I have it.  I caught it from my brother who has it. His wife has it.  My whole family has it.  It has the potential to be nasty.  I have 2 kids who have had no symptoms and 2 that have had relatively mild symptoms.  My brother (46 and his wife 42) have been hit rather hard.  They are heavy drinkers and she is a smoker.  I still have symptoms on day 6 but they are mild.  I started with pain in my neck (lymph nodes) that shot to my head and became a nasty headache.  I have not taken any advil or pain killers.  I had no fever.  No squirts.  I have had neck pain, headache, fatigue, and some breathing issues.  Tonight is day 6 for me and I am feeling better.  I had to drive 1.5 hours to get my brother some of the items i posted up thread.  He and his wife were on day 9 and were not recovering *danger zone*.  No one wanted to go help but knowing I caught it from him, I decided to try.  i gave them the myricetin, isatis root extract, and buplerum root extract(helicase, protease inhibitors).  She barfed it all up initially.  Once she got a smaller amount down, she passed out.  I wouldn't say either is in good health.  Today, I received a text that she felt 100% better.  He was the same.  I do not sell any of this stuff.  I gleaned the info from the national health library archives.  Myricetin is not attainable at this point but the isatis root extract is and mega doses are out there for cheap. 

 

Some other things that help.  My wife, and 2 non symptom children are in great physical health.  They are swimmers and my wife is a dietician, BS in nutrition from aggy.  I am almost 50 so I am no spring chicken but do consume a lot of fruits and vegetables, hit them hard.  Stay away from processed sugar.  Processed sugar kills the immune system.

This is perhaps the finest post in the history of Surly. Thank you sir. Holy fucking shit. 

[brakeman 28214]

6 minutes ago, Bevo VIII said:

Probably similar to the aquarium in San Antonio that was open. Police will force them to close doors and issued fines and etc.

wtf, comon texas.

 

[triplehorn 2664]

" Bookmark this. When the doubling time of deaths* gets above 3 days, we will have begun to get past the runaway period of the pandemic. Note the current doubling times for China (35 days) & South Korea (12 days). *not cases, which can be under-diagnosed."

Using those numbers and that doubling rate today, if we implemented shelter in place tonight on a national scale, in 20 days (appx lag phase time for decreased death rate to be reflected by starting extreme social distancing), the US would have about 25-30,000 deaths.  Tonight Italy is at 5,400 deaths and the world total to date right now is 14,600.  Previous actions taken by WA, NY, CA, will hopefully drag those numbers down some, as every single day prior that involved some percent of total with home shelter can have a major effect on final numbers later.

 

Edited March 23, 2020 by triplehorn

[staboner 4955]

24 minutes ago, 2300 Nueces said:

I have it.  I caught it from my brother who has it. His wife has it.  My whole family has it.  It has the potential to be nasty.  I have 2 kids who have had no symptoms and 2 that have had relatively mild symptoms.  My brother (46 and his wife 42) have been hit rather hard.  They are heavy drinkers and she is a smoker.  I still have symptoms on day 6 but they are mild.  I started with pain in my neck (lymph nodes) that shot to my head and became a nasty headache.  I have not taken any advil or pain killers.  I had no fever.  No squirts.  I have had neck pain, headache, fatigue, cough and some breathing issues.  Tonight is day 6 for me and I am feeling better.  I had to drive 1.5 hours to get my brother some of the items i posted up thread.  He and his wife were on day 9 and were not recovering *danger zone*.  No one wanted to go help but knowing I caught it from him, I decided to try.  i gave them the myricetin, isatis root extract, and buplerum root extract(helicase, protease inhibitors).  She barfed it all up initially.  Once she got a smaller amount down, she passed out.  I wouldn't say either is in good health.  Today, I received a text that she felt 100% better.  He was the same.  I do not sell any of this stuff.  I gleaned the info from the national health library archives.  Myricetin is not attainable at this point but the isatis root extract is and mega doses are out there for cheap. 

 

Some other things that help.  My wife, and 2 non symptom children are in great physical health.  They are swimmers and my wife is a dietician, BS in nutrition from aggy.  I am almost 50 so I am no spring chicken but do consume a lot of fruits and vegetables, hit them hard.  Stay away from processed sugar.  Processed sugar kills the immune system.

thanks for your commentary on the symptoms here. I am 42 and for the most part my symptoms are mild. Just respiratory (not tested or confirmed though). I was wondering on herbal bits, thanks for sharing. My wife is also a dietitian and we generally have a hold on what to eat, not to eat, etc.

I am looking for isatis root now. should be some somewhere here where i love.

glad you are on the up and up. 

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

27 minutes ago, Zepol87 said:

Maybe dumb question anmesty... How will this enforced? What happens to business owners who say fuck it we are open? 

Personally I think a few controlled burns might do the trick.

[UT_OB1 2200]

36 minutes ago, Bevo VIII said:

I’d assume California acted first and fastest instead of “waiting and see” like our politicians seem to have done and continuing to do.

What exactly has California done that we have not (I assume most are referring to Texas)?  Why does everyone seem to think a shelter in place is much different from what we are already doing?  
 

Read the document that outlines what is shutdown instead of someone’s twitter reaction 

https://covid19.ca.gov/img/EssentialCriticalInfrastructureWorkers.pdf

Only non essential business are shut down - things like bars, gyms, movie theaters. Essential businesses are still open, just like here. That includes teachers, cannabis dealers, daycare, laundry services, taxi drivers, plumbers, and exterminators. 
 

Can you go outside to walk your dog?  Go to the park in California under the lockdown?  Go to the grocery store?  YES, YES, YES

Do you need a special tag to drive to work or around town? NO

So what’s the big difference?  Or do people just feel the need to lay blame and say *someone* is not doing their job?

[Shaggybevo 353]

Yep.  It’s almost comical how people just blurt out “the government should mandate this!!!!” when that isn’t even fucking remotely feasible right now.  Masks were gone from shelves in late February.  His is a completely ignorant take 

Masks were gone from shelves in late January.

[XYZ 2154]

32 minutes ago, 2300 Nueces said:

I have it.  I caught it from my brother who has it. His wife has it.  My whole family has it.  It has the potential to be nasty.  I have 2 kids who have had no symptoms and 2 that have had relatively mild symptoms.  My brother (46 and his wife 42) have been hit rather hard.  They are heavy drinkers and she is a smoker.  I still have symptoms on day 6 but they are mild.  I started with pain in my neck (lymph nodes) that shot to my head and became a nasty headache.  I have not taken any advil or pain killers.  I had no fever.  No squirts.  I have had neck pain, headache, fatigue, cough and some breathing issues.  Tonight is day 6 for me and I am feeling better.  I had to drive 1.5 hours to get my brother some of the items i posted up thread.  He and his wife were on day 9 and were not recovering *danger zone*.  No one wanted to go help but knowing I caught it from him, I decided to try.  i gave them the myricetin, isatis root extract, and buplerum root extract(helicase, protease inhibitors).  She barfed it all up initially.  Once she got a smaller amount down, she passed out.  I wouldn't say either is in good health.  Today, I received a text that she felt 100% better.  He was the same.  I do not sell any of this stuff.  I gleaned the info from the national health library archives.  Myricetin is not attainable at this point but the isatis root extract is and mega doses are out there for cheap. 

 

Some other things that help.  My wife, and 2 non symptom children are in great physical health.  They are swimmers and my wife is a dietician, BS in nutrition from aggy.  I am almost 50 so I am no spring chicken but do consume a lot of fruits and vegetables, hit them hard.  Stay away from processed sugar.  Processed sugar kills the immune system.

Did you get tested?

[RayDog 682]

36 minutes ago, ABSR said:

So same procedure with masks as girlfriends.

I have decided to stick with the one living with me for the duration of the lockdown in order to minimize the possibility that a women could inoculate me with a large amount of virus. I will reassess the situation when the lockdown gets lifted as there are excellent opportunities with some of the hottest women around. Chasing and catching pussy will likely be the death of me, but hopefully many years in the future. 

[MNLonghornFUKM 8799]

" Bookmark this. When the doubling time of deaths* gets above 3 days, we will have begun to get past the runaway period of the pandemic. Note the current doubling times for China (35 days) & South Korea (12 days). *not cases, which can be under-diagnosed."
Using those numbers and that doubling rate today, if we implemented shelter in place tonight on a national scale, in 20 days (appx lag phase time for decreased death rate to be reflected by starting extreme social distancing), the US would have about 25-30,000 deaths.  Tonight Italy is at 5,400 deaths and the world total to date right now is 14,600.  Previous actions taken by WA, NY, CA, will hopefully drag those numbers down some, as every single day gained using home shelter can can have a major effect on final numbers later.
 

I feel we’re almost 2 weeks into the nation beginning to shut most social activities down, 10 days since the NBA started the trend. + schools businesses etc so hopefully that number won’t jump as high as these numbers are when we were in normal life ~20 days ago

[BurntOrange&White 39486]

I feel we’re almost 2 weeks into the nation beginning to shut most social activities down, 10 days since the NBA started the trend. + schools businesses etc so hopefully that number won’t jump as high as these numbers are when we were in normal life ~20 days ago

There are still tons of jobs still ongoing that aren’t essential though where contamination is highly likely especially as community spread numbers rise.

[stone oak 639]

There are a ton of people still going to work everyday, including myself. I don’t have a choice.

Edited March 23, 2020 by stone oak

[Zepol87 9163]

4 minutes ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

I feel we’re almost 2 weeks into the nation beginning to shut most social activities down, 10 days since the NBA started the trend. + schools businesses etc so hopefully that number won’t jump as high as these numbers are when we were in normal life ~20 days ago

Yea business didn't shut down 20 days ago. We are still behind on this shit and will stay playing catch up 

[akhornfan 4]

1 hour ago, brakeman said:

Total nonsense. 

[Bevo 13493]

4 minutes ago, XYZ said:

Did you get tested?

That is one of the interesting thing about this pandemic. You can have diarrhea, a headache for 3 days, feel weak for a few days with maybe a sleight fever and then have minor asthma for a few weeks and still not know whether you had it or not. You can always think, well I didn't have a cough or loss of smell, or a 103 temperature for 3 days, so maybe it was something else. It would nice to be able to say that you already had it and then walk around town without being in fear.

[triplehorn 2664]

1 minute ago, MNLonghornFUKM said:

I feel we’re almost 2 weeks into the nation beginning to shut most social activities down, 10 days since the NBA started the trend. + schools businesses etc so hopefully that number won’t jump as high as these numbers are when we were in normal life ~20 days ago

I hear you, and you're right.  What you're pointing out as having happened over the past two weeks in a rolling pattern can have a major effect on lowering cases and deaths 2-3 weeks from now possibly initially reflected within the next 10 days.  I'm reassured that things are heading in the right direction.  However it's not going to be easy helping the sheer numbers of affected that are already inevitable.  Deadly serious stuff.

[Treefidy 1463]

4 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

Not happening today

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/22/coronavirus-stimulus-congress-struggles-to-reach-a-deal.html

Currently, it would be a credit against your future taxes, but that could easily change

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/20/heres-how-your-rescue-check-from-the-government-could-be-taxed.html

 

They can't agree on the specific pork in the bill to help the American people, neither side can agree on their respective inputs   

how about a little input from the American people, a little pork from our side.  I'll be happy with TERM LIMITS for every asshole in congress.  No/cr

[BurntOrange&White 39486]

What exactly has California done that we have not (I assume most are referring to Texas)?  Why does everyone seem to think a shelter in place is much different from what we are already doing?  
 
Read the document that outlines what is shutdown instead of someone’s twitter reaction 
https://covid19.ca.gov/img/EssentialCriticalInfrastructureWorkers.pdf
Only non essential business are shut down - things like bars, gyms, movie theaters. Essential businesses are still open, just like here. That includes teachers, cannabis dealers, daycare, laundry services, taxi drivers, plumbers, and exterminators. 
 
Can you go outside to walk your dog?  Go to the park in California under the lockdown?  Go to the grocery store?  YES, YES, YES
Do you need a special tag to drive to work or around town? NO
So what’s the big difference?  Or do people just feel the need to lay blame and say *someone* is not doing their job?

Essential work is what? Probably 20-30% of the work force in Texas? There are tons of people in the state of Texas still going to work everyday that what we’re currently doing does not stop. A shelter in place would stop a majority of the work force in said state to stop this further eliminating the risk. Right now is the most critical time to fight this and attempt to flatten the curve and California started earlier than we are. Our governor literally said we’re going to wait and see if we need to shelter in place. He is choosing to be reactive and not proactive in protecting the state and it’s citizens.

[Mantis Toboggan, MD 1499]

Total nonsense. 

Yep. Those numbers are nuts. There are 28 million or so in Texas. 2% of the population is going to die? Not just 2% of the positive testing people, or 2% of the infected people, but 2% of everyone dies? Nope.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19074]

I cannot understand why we are not doing the same. This situation is so dire that we are killing the economy, locking people up, killing the market, putting countless people out of work, preparing a trillion+ stimulus package, etc.-- yet our leaders are not mandating masks?? Even surgical masks, if worn by an infected person, would slow the transmission. So why is the president and CDC not mandating or even encouraging the use of masks? It's mind bottling.

Where do you propose people buy them?

[Blotto 23418]

https://www.propublica.org/article/a-medical-worker-describes--terrifying-lung-failure-from-covid19-even-in-his-young-patients

Article with observations from medical staff in New Orleans. Mardi Gras and the advent of this virus occurring roughly at the same time is damn unfortunate. 

[BurntOrange&White 39486]

Yep. Those numbers are nuts. There are 28 million or so in Texas. 2% of the population is going to die? Not just 2% of the positive testing people, or 2% of the infected people, but 2% of everyone dies? Nope.

If 2% of the population get it that’s roughly 575k people infected and if 2% of those die that’s roughly 11.5k deaths. Just in Texas alone.

[Beau Vine 53965]

2 hours ago, Mikey4 said:

2 hours ago, Hagbard Celine said:

italy is making masks and gloves mandatory to enter a grocery.

I cannot understand why we are not doing the same. This situation is so dire that we are killing the economy, locking people up, killing the market, putting countless people out of work, preparing a trillion+ stimulus package, etc.-- yet our leaders are not mandating masks?? Even surgical masks, if worn by an infected person, would slow the transmission. So why is the president and CDC not mandating or even encouraging the use of masks? It's mind bottling.

 

[Liquor and Poker 3659]

51 minutes ago, 2300 Nueces said:

I have it.  I caught it from my brother who has it. His wife has it.  My whole family has it.  It has the potential to be nasty.  I have 2 kids who have had no symptoms and 2 that have had relatively mild symptoms.  My brother (46 and his wife 42) have been hit rather hard.  They are heavy drinkers and she is a smoker.  I still have symptoms on day 6 but they are mild.  I started with pain in my neck (lymph nodes) that shot to my head and became a nasty headache.  I have not taken any advil or pain killers.  I had no fever.  No squirts.  I have had neck pain, headache, fatigue, cough and some breathing issues.  Tonight is day 6 for me and I am feeling better.  I had to drive 1.5 hours to get my brother some of the items i posted up thread.  He and his wife were on day 9 and were not recovering *danger zone*.  No one wanted to go help but knowing I caught it from him, I decided to try.  i gave them the myricetin, isatis root extract, and buplerum root extract(helicase, protease inhibitors).  She barfed it all up initially.  Once she got a smaller amount down, she passed out.  I wouldn't say either is in good health.  Today, I received a text that she felt 100% better.  He was the same.  I do not sell any of this stuff.  I gleaned the info from the national health library archives.  Myricetin is not attainable at this point but the isatis root extract is and mega doses are out there for cheap. 

 

Some other things that help.  My wife, and 2 non symptom children are in great physical health.  They are swimmers and my wife is a dietician, BS in nutrition from aggy.  I am almost 50 so I am no spring chicken but do consume a lot of fruits and vegetables, hit them hard.  Stay away from processed sugar.  Processed sugar kills the immune system.

Wow.  Good luck. I got some of the stuff you recommended upstream in this thread but I am not infected AFIAK and am wondering if I should hold off until I am.  Seems like a lot of stuff that is being tested to help (ARBs, etc) might also make it easier to get. Also a little scared to take these things I know nothing about regarding side effects, etc. 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19074]

No clue but it’s 153 now. 

I’m seeing 117.

[akhornfan 4]

2 minutes ago, Liquor and Poker said:

Wow.  Good luck. I got some of the stuff you recommended upstream in this thread but I am not infected AFIAK and am wondering if I should hold off until I am.  Seems like a lot of stuff that is being tested to help (ARBs, etc) might also make it easier to get. Also a little scared to take these things I know nothing about regarding side effects, etc. 

Oh - we’re taking that seriously?

[mchookem 16095]

7 minutes ago, Blotto said:

https://www.propublica.org/article/a-medical-worker-describes--terrifying-lung-failure-from-covid19-even-in-his-young-patients

Article with observations from medical staff in New Orleans. Mardi Gras and the advent of this virus occurring roughly at the same time is damn unfortunate. 

well that's terrifying

[AUS-97HORN 11654]

19 minutes ago, Bevo said:

 It would nice to be able to say that you already had it and then walk around town without being in fear.

I dont think we have seen anywhere that once you "get" Covid you are then immune to it afterwards.    your post assumes that. and its not a good assumption at this time. 

[2300 Nueces 163]

23 minutes ago, XYZ said:

Did you get tested?

In Ft Worth tests are only available to the people at risk and first responders.  Regardless, the sick here are plotted all over the Tarrant Co map....  It's spreading.  I had Flu A six weeks ago for sure.  It's the only thing possible that met the symptoms.  My brother had the squirts for 3 days and then went into major shutdown.  Extreme fatigue.  We hung out on a Saturday which was his day 1 of symptoms.  Major squirts.  Downhill from there.  Mine kicked on Tuesday, 3 days.  When you get it and have symptoms, you won't need a test to confirm.

I will say this.  If you are youngish and healthy, don't fear it.  Herd immunity is real and by having immunity, you protect the vulnerable by killing it via your immunity and not passing it on.  It's going to be a long road. 

Isatis Extract

It's real.  Nothing could stink that bad and not be crap.  It's also Chinese so I don't own it.

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11 minutes ago, akhornfan said:

Oh - we’re taking that seriously?

if not, then CTJs last post smells of BS and fraudulent claims in honorary of best post on the internets

Edited March 23, 2020 by Hmmm

[Mantis Toboggan, MD 1499]

If 2% of the population get it that’s roughly 575k people infected and if 2% of those die that’s roughly 11.5k deaths. Just in Texas alone.

That graphic claimed half a million deaths in Texas alone