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1 minute ago, JesusSweatDuck said:

Have we seen an update in recovered yet? Death numbers jumping like they are is particularly concerning

6,600 and outpacing the deaths.   If you just combine deaths with recovered (passed all of the tests and discharged), every day the percentage of deaths vs recovered is dropping, so that’s good.   And recovery takes longer than dying, so it will continue jumping up a decent amount everyday.   Plus, if you look at numbers outside of Wuhan, the deaths drop dramatically.

This site is run by the China_Flu reddit, and it’s a good daily update

https://ncov2019.live

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4 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

6,600 and outpacing the deaths.   If you just combine deaths with recovered (passed all of the tests and discharged), every day the percentage of deaths vs recovered is dropping, so that’s good.   And recovery takes longer than dying, so it will continue jumping up a decent amount everyday.   Plus, if you look at numbers outside of Wuhan, the deaths drop dramatically.

This site is run by the China_Flu reddit, and it’s a good daily update

https://ncov2019.live

Dumb amnesty question: So if it’s like the flu, potentially the recovered could just get it again in a couple months? Or is that still tbd?

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what exactly is a temporary hospital? modern internment facility?

In theory, they are supposed to be for the less severe cases (for which there isn’t room in the regular hospitals), and to get them out of their homes.  They don’t provide top-tier care, basically go there to get better on your own, or go downhill and die.  

So yeah, internment facility.  But not like the stadiums and other public facilities being used in Wuhan.  

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44 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

6,600 and outpacing the deaths.   If you just combine deaths with recovered (passed all of the tests and discharged), every day the percentage of deaths vs recovered is dropping, so that’s good.   And recovery takes longer than dying, so it will continue jumping up a decent amount everyday.   Plus, if you look at numbers outside of Wuhan, the deaths drop dramatically.

This site is run by the China_Flu reddit, and it’s a good daily update

https://ncov2019.live

Plus they can count all the deaths but only those that got tested and were positive get recorded as recovered, not accounting for mild cases that didn’t get tested early on or ran their course while the person was quarantined in their home. 

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46 minutes ago, Casual Encounter said:

The US would still be in the contractor bidding phase.

Normally. We are preparing - as we should. I am not sure the science is settled on the severity. But we are actively preparing. HHS has turned to the DoD.  

https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Releases/Release/Article/2076940/dod-statement-on-additional-request-from-hhs/

Here is the general DoD page on the Coronavirus Response - https://www.defense.gov/Explore/Spotlight/Coronavirus/

 

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In theory, they are supposed to be for the less severe cases (for which there isn’t room in the regular hospitals), and to get them out of their homes.  They don’t provide top-tier care, basically go there to get better on your own, or go downhill and die.  

So yeah, internment facility.  But not like the stadiums and other public facilities being used in Wuhan.  

If you saw the video posted earlier it is a holding facility with little medical care and no ability to treat severe symptoms.  AND you can not leave once you go inside.  So get better with little help or die.

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Plus they can count all the deaths but only those that got tested and were positive get recorded as recovered, not accounting for mild cases that didn’t get tested early on or ran their course while the person was quarantined in their home. 

I think there is some compelling evidence that they are only counting a fraction of the deaths

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As do actual sick people. Earlier this week, found out one of the kids had strep, and another one had strep AND the flu. Went to pick up their meds and wanted to grab a few masks to keep them from coughing all over the place and getting the baby sick. Pharmacist snorted in disgust/sympathy when I asked if they had any. Nope! They can’t keep em in stock

 

You could always wrap a t-shirt around their face, Chemosabe.  95% effective.

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If you saw the video posted earlier it is a holding facility with little medical care and no ability to treat severe symptoms.  AND you can not leave once you go inside.  So get better with little help or die.

So, when you have people in the beds to your right, your left, behind you, and in front of you, all sneezing and coughing and spraying you with bodily fluids, you either get busy living, or get busy dying

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Interesting article, but maybe a little "Cloaky"...

"Some of the nation’s leading public-health experts assembled before the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee on Wednesday morning with some worrisome warnings: The dangerous Wuhan novel coronavirus is probably already in the United States in greater numbers than we know and should show itself in clusters in the coming weeks. There’s reason to doubt its spread will die down when the weather warms. And it could ultimately affect hundreds of thousands of Americans."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/02/12/health-experts-sound-alarm-trump-fights-coronavirus-with-alternative-facts/

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The scary part is that more than likely it is already taken hold in N Korea and could ravage 60-80% of their population due to their lack of legitimate medical facilities or supplies and the inability for China to provide them at the current time.

 

Does Rocketman reach out to S Korea or the US for help and what chaos will ensue if the virus spreads to their ruling class or worse Rocketman himself.

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The scary part is that more than likely it is already taken hold in N Korea and could ravage 60-80% of their population due to their lack of legitimate medical facilities or supplies and the inability for China to provide them at the current time.

 

Does Rocketman reach out to S Korea or the US for help and what chaos will ensue if the virus spreads to their ruling class or worse Rocketman himself.

you have to add in the physical condition of the population as well.....which is shit and getting shittier

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The scary part is that more than likely it is already taken hold in N Korea and could ravage 60-80% of their population due to their lack of legitimate medical facilities or supplies and the inability for China to provide them at the current time.

Does Rocketman reach out to S Korea or the US for help and what chaos will ensue if the virus spreads to their ruling class or worse Rocketman himself.

What if he decides to take everybody else down with him?

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Interesting article, but maybe a little "Cloaky"...

"Some of the nation’s leading public-health experts assembled before the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee on Wednesday morning with some worrisome warnings: The dangerous Wuhan novel coronavirus is probably already in the United States in greater numbers than we know and should show itself in clusters in the coming weeks. There’s reason to doubt its spread will die down when the weather warms. And it could ultimately affect hundreds of thousands of Americans."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/02/12/health-experts-sound-alarm-trump-fights-coronavirus-with-alternative-facts/

Yeah, it’s a bit worrisome, some of the shit he’s already said.   Don’t need him getting medical advice from Fox and Friends   

On the other hand, he’s a germaphobe, and this thing hits older people harder.  So he might overreact, in a good way   

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/13/health/coronavirus-cdc-robert-redfield-gupta-intv/index.html

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As an outbreak of a novel coronavirus has swept through Hubei province, China, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has been preparing for its worst case scenario -- a widespread outbreak of illnesses in the United States.

"Right now we're in an aggressive containment mode," CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield told CNN's Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta in an interview on Thursday.

"We don't know a lot about this virus," he said. "This virus is probably with us beyond this season, beyond this year, and I think eventually the virus will find a foothold and we will get community-based transmission."

As of Thursday, there have been 15 cases of the novel coronavirus confirmed in seven states: eight in California; two in Illinois; and one in Arizona, Washington, Massachusetts, Wisconsin and Texas.

 

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4 hours ago, Colonel Sanders said:

I think there is some compelling evidence that they are only counting a fraction of the deaths

Exactly. I don’t know why anyone trust the figures being put out by the Chinese government. 
 

My wife has a longtime friend (not a drop of drama queen in this woman) whose sister and BIL are missionaries and school teachers in China (not Wuhan area). They were getting increasingly concerned about the Chinese government crackdowns on religion (Muslims especially), Hong Kong, etc., to the extent that a few months ago, they gave her visiting parents important belongings other than passports to take back to the US ahead of their anticipated departure which was scheduled early this year. Then when this coronavirus hit, they self-quarantined as best they could and have to wait until they can leave.
 

The local crematorium has seen an obvious increase in activity,  and they are extremely worried that the government is monitoring communications to the outside world. Even before this outbreak, they felt the need to speak in code to their friends and family back home, and their family is so concerned that they won’t even speak about it near their own phones. Perhaps that is an overreaction, but maybe not.

She said the filth and pollution are both worse than they anticipated, so that adds to their doubts that this outbreak is anywhere near contained. 

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6 hours ago, ImissWallyPryor said:

Exactly. I don’t know why anyone trust the figures being put out by the Chinese government. 
 

My wife has a longtime friend (not a drop of drama queen in this woman) whose sister and BIL are missionaries and school teachers in China (not Wuhan area). They were getting increasingly concerned about the Chinese government crackdowns on religion (Muslims especially), Hong Kong, etc., to the extent that a few months ago, they gave her visiting parents important belongings other than passports to take back to the US ahead of their anticipated departure which was scheduled early this year. Then when this coronavirus hit, they self-quarantined as best they could and have to wait until they can leave.
 

The local crematorium has seen an obvious increase in activity,  and they are extremely worried that the government is monitoring communications to the outside world. Even before this outbreak, they felt the need to speak in code to their friends and family back home, and their family is so concerned that they won’t even speak about it near their own phones. Perhaps that is an overreaction, but maybe not.

She said the filth and pollution are both worse than they anticipated, so that adds to their doubts that this outbreak is anywhere near contained. 

To my knowledge, being a missionary in China is still illegal, so they were probably supposed to be speaking in code anyway. Of course this probably varies depending on whether or not they are independent or working through an organization like the IMB, but all the missionaries I've talked to who work in China have always just referred to it as East Asia.

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https://www.barrons.com/articles/chinas-economic-data-have-always-raised-questions-its-coronavirus-numbers-do-too-51581622840
 

“Anomalies had shown up in China’s coronavirus numbers even before the change in methodology. For instance, the number of deaths reported appeared to correspond to a simple mathematical formula to a very high accuracy, according to a quantitative-finance specialist who ran a regression of the data for Barron’s. A near-perfect 99.99% of variance is explained by the equation, this person said, referring to a statistical measure known as r-squared. That’s a fancy way of saying that the data updating the number of deaths was almost perfectly predictable. “This never happens with real data, which is always noisy,” the person said.”

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FWIW

A lady in Pittsburgh that’s currently quarantined for two weeks after coming home from what was supposed to be a 3 month* trip to a village in China:

“My friends in China had friends who worked in the hospital and said ‘These numbers you’re seeing aren’t the truth. It’s much worse. These crematoriums in Wuhan are burning 24/7.’”

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