Formerly DT: COVID-19 - Featuring Lots of Politics, now CR because political talk not going away

[Digdogger 1343]

2 minutes ago, Eastwood said:

I have also received the email stating that O&G is essential.

Essential Oils and Gas?

[bolverk 29399]

1 minute ago, Dahobbs said:

It is the county judge. It isn't really a traditional judge, more of the CEO for county. 

Yeah, I think they're called County Presidents in some states.

[closetojumping 62246]

Not to diverge too far into the original purpose of this thread, but has there been any new information provided from anywhere that isn't a fucktard slobbering over a spreadsheet regarding a given local climate and vitality of the virus? I'm surprised there's nothing one way or the other bubbling up about that part of the equation.

[Pato del Muerto 52342]

4 minutes ago, Eastwood said:

I have also received the email stating that O&G is essential.

I guess that strategic oil reserve is only for “real” emergencies 

[JBJ 3649]

On 3/20/2020 at 8:56 AM, JBJ said:

3/20 Update:

We overshot cases and deaths for the third day in a row.

10-day Infectivity: 0.35;  5-day: 0.36

Deaths: 10-day: 0.23; 5-day: 0.29

Today's O/U: 18,340 total cases and 275 deaths

 

Growth of deaths seems to be approaching the overall infection rate.  That would mean the issue is not that we are ramping up testing, but that we've been lucky to not see many deaths up to this point.  I hope I am wrong, but that's what the numbers say, atm.

If we are starting to curtail this thing it's simply not showing up.  I'm highly skeptical that the average incubation period is longer than a week, so I hope we see something in the data soon.  A minor reduction now makes a big difference to what this looks like in a month.

3/24 Update, I didn't want inconsistent weekend reporting to monkey with my numbers:

No change to infectivity, deaths at 0.30/0.27, so overall inching closer to the growth rage of known cases.  Which means total cases is probably what to be focused on still and not deaths, regardless of any testing increases.

We did undershoot cases Sat-Mon, but it wasn't by much.

Today's O/U: 58,160 cases - 735 deaths.

I put together a 70%-reduction scenario based on the assumption that earliest we should see numbers start to decline was yesterday, but that it won't fully show in the numbers for two more weeks.  I know the goal was 80% overall, but the countries handling this the best haven't even achieved that - 70% is more realistic until shown otherwise.

Todays O/U for the "goal scenario": 56,038 cases - 709 deaths.

Btw, there's no lag time for deaths.  Realistically impossible, but any other method looks terrible in the hindcast right now.

I'm locking this scenario in place until it gets rejected by the incoming data.  If I recreate it, I'll post the changes.  The base model is set up to react to each new day of input, so it is constantly evolving.

I have a feeling that our trajectory at the end of the week will not match the goal scenario, but it'll be better than the current trajectory of the data.  - Captain Obvious.

[GabrielsHorn 2142]

2 minutes ago, closetojumping said:

Not to diverge too far into the original purpose of this thread, but has there been any new information provided from anywhere that isn't a fucktard slobbering over a spreadsheet regarding a given local climate and vitality of the virus? I'm surprised there's nothing one way or the other bubbling up about that part of the equation.

Only news that’s come out recently is that Italy saw cases decrease but deaths increase after falling for two days per the BBC. 

[UT_OB1 2200]

18 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

We need to have better terms.   Social distancing should be physical distancing.   

Shelter-in-place sounds like a tornado or hurricane term.   Lockdown isn’t a good term either, since it brings out the fucking Jade Helm/No gestapo in Bastrop(o) idiots.  

Agree on what we are calling it.  SiP has a very distinct meaning here in the Houston area that means you need to act, right now, or possibly risk getting killed.  

[Neonmoon 38127]

8 minutes ago, stone oak said:

Don't shoot the messenger, but I work for a small O&G co here in Bexar County and my company is claiming we are absolutely essential so we are not even considering shutting down. I'd imagine there are tons of small businesses that are similarly "navigating" the language of the strongly written letter sent out. 

I'm just pissed I don't get to work from home with no pants on. Was looking forward to that!

Many states has declared oil and gas extraction essential, but I believe that mainly refers to field personnel at the drillsite. Office personal can/should work from home. Of course your company could be saying fuck it, let's stay open because of the former. 

[Brisketexan 104624]

9 minutes ago, Loco said:

Why are judges issuing these decrees?   Are these unincorporated areas?  It's all coming from Mayors and Governors here...

 

7 minutes ago, Auto Driller said:

The Harris county judge is more like a county commissioner. Not a judge in the legal sense.

 

6 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

It is the county judge. It isn't really a traditional judge, more of the CEO for county. 

Yep.  In Texas county government, the "County Judge" is to the county as a mayor is to a city.  And they have SIGNIFICANT power.  Lots of folks don't pay attention to county government -- they should, as it is a big deal, with a big budget and lots of power.

[clapclapclap 9000]

3 hours ago, Skipper said:

He said yesterday he would probably just yell at people from the window, which makes sense.  I do think that is going to be the primary impact of the order though.   I'm not sure why these businesses are given their employees letters that say they are essential.  It's not like cops are going to be pulling random cars over.

Hey, that's what I do. 

But I was raised by wolf dogs.

[Sbbruin 21736]

6 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Your delivery mandate must have an act of god clause, no?

Yes, and we have the cushion to manage it.  Our in place leases are going to get interesting as force majeure and business interruption attempts to get applied.

[UT_OB1 2200]

40 minutes ago, Loco said:

I don't think so.  They shut down their trains.  That's almost like a travel ban for them.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-51957936

Where in your article does it say they are shutting down the trains?  I can't find it, and it isn't in the part you quoted.  In the article I linked it said they are reducing but not stopping the trains, and that the trains will still run for essential personnel. 

 

This is directly from your link:

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A combination of awareness and panic has already led to a 27% drop in traffic on the network. But millions of people continue to take the train to work and home every day.

 

Edited March 24, 2020 by UT_OB1

[Skipper 6103]

Just now, Neonmoon said:

Many states has declared oil and gas extraction essential, but I believe that mainly refers to field personnel at the drillsite. Office personal can/should work from home. Of course your company could be saying fuck it, let's stay open because of the former. 

At least with respect to the Dallas order, if you read the extremely broad language, coupled with the gray area exceptions judge Jenkins has already acknowledged via twitter, I struggle to find any business not specifically referenced as being banned in the order (i.e., restaurant dining, bars, salons, theaters, gyms, spas, etc.) that isn't arguably an essential business.   It's all form over substance hoping people do the right thing.   For example, law firms are clearly permitted to continue functioning and could presumably require all employees to show up as normal. But basically all are working remotely with skeleton crew onsite to collect mail, etc.

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13010]

2 minutes ago, clapclapclap said:

Hey, that's what I do. 

But I was raised by wolf dogs.

Pfft, hybrids. My family was pure breed.

[BillyGoatHill 4276]

14 minutes ago, Loco said:

Why are judges issuing these decrees?   Are these unincorporated areas?  It's all coming from Mayors and Governors here...

County Judge controls the County... Commissioners work for them (just like here in Travis)

[Eastwood 4394]

4 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Many states has declared oil and gas extraction essential, but I believe that mainly refers to field personnel at the drillsite. Office personal can/should work from home. Of course your company could be saying fuck it, let's stay open because of the former. 

I read the list of essentials and my specific job isn't covered by that, but I knew any E&P company would see the header "Oil and Gas Industry" and take that as the green light for everyone. I work from home and have been working this whole time (thank God), but it will make little difference in a week or so. We're all sitting on our ass by April, IMO

[Neonmoon 38127]

15 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Your delivery mandate must have an act of god clause, no?

Force Majeure litigation is coming

Some states have previously ruled on narrow readings on the force majeure language, meaning if it doesn't specifically list pandemic, it is not covered but that might be just for oil and gas. For common law, the doctrine of impracticability and the doctrine of impossibility are going to be used like a 10 dollar street walker on shore leave. 

Edited March 24, 2020 by Neonmoon

[Loco 3752]

6 minutes ago, UT_OB1 said:

Where in your article does it say they are shutting down the trains?  I can't find it, and it isn't in the part you quoted.  In the article I linked it said they are reducing but not stopping the trains, and that the trains will still run for essential personnel. 

 

This is directly from your link:

 

Maybe it's clearer in this article.  

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NEW DELHI -- As India expanded its virus-containment measures and halted its train network, the country's lifeblood, the federal government warned Monday of strict legal action for those who flout the rules.

The wholesale shutdown of India's massive train system is unprecedented.

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/india-halts-lifeblood-train-network-stop-virus-69742485

Edited March 24, 2020 by Loco

[Modessit 5596]

Isn't Greenspoint a nurse or something? Am I remembering that right? Is he retired or something? Otherwise, I can't imagine why he's not working instead of posting worst-case, jerk-off fantasies on this thread.

IIRC, Greenspoint is in his early 30s.

[gecko 1104]

[Murfdogg21 4412]

Just now, Modessit said:

2 hours ago, C-Man said:

Isn't Greenspoint a nurse or something? Am I remembering that right? Is he retired or something? Otherwise, I can't imagine why he's not working instead of posting worst-case, jerk-off fantasies on this thread.

IIRC, Greenspoint is in his early 30s.

But he identifies as a grumpy old nurse. 

[Js1 85110]

Went to the store and now catching up on y’all eating each other already. 

*popcorn gif*

[clapclapclap 9000]

3 hours ago, Constant said:

Spent all last night blocking traffic for a major incident and it was surreal as people thought it was for the order. Tons of people getting out their cars waving their little “im essential” letter. Feel like we’re in a doomsday movie  

Fake emo support pet owners gonna change their harnesses to 'Essential Services Animal'.

[BurntOrange&White 39655]

So apparently Academy is essential.

[Loco 3752]

Well when the dust settles we will probably be able to figure out what the fuck happened.   

Follow the link to more detail....  Go down to transmissions and hit play

Edited March 24, 2020 by Loco

[Modessit 5596]

 Cloroquine Phosphate is indeed taken on its own to treat malaria. Now, nobody is saying that the president is personally liable for these people's terrible decision making. However, it's strong evidence of the danger that comes from a lack of consistent message from the white house, and the president overriding his medical experts advice and counsel on the topic. 

I saw it mentioned here long before ever hearing about it on TV. Does that mean I can blame you or some other poster? There has been no "official" recommendation. It's only mentioned in the pressers because it's being talked about in public forums and on news outlets and needs to be addressed.

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

1 minute ago, Loco said:

Well when the dust settles we will probably be able to figure out what the fuck happened.   

Some fuckwad ate a bad bat. We know already.

[bonnieblue 542]

20 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Your delivery mandate must have an act of god clause, no?

Depending on the state law in play, it will depend on the specific language of the clause. Burden is on the one otherwise breaching the covenant to prove.

[LABEVO 928]

https://news.crunchbase.com/news/telehealth-startups-pause-at-home-covid-19-testing-after-fda-tightens-guidelines/

Telehealth Startups Pause At-Home COVID-19 Testing After FDA Tightens Guidelines

[williemackgarza 1826]

On the ground up project, has it broken ground yet?  It's obvious that developers are going to undoubtedly suspend new projects, but I'm curious how many will push on with active projects vs. shuttering half-way through construction.  I guess that's a cost-benefit analysis comparing future investment to complete, tenant viability, debt service and degradation of an unfinished structure among other factors.

If in progress projects are halted for long, once all,clear given, inspectors and owners not gonna want work to continue on old stale materials... subgrades/base will need to be reworked, frames will weather, steel will corrode etc.. who pays for those added costs? gonna be a nightmare for some.

[Beau Vine 54001]

42 minutes ago, Modessit said:

5 hours ago, Wally Fairway said:

I'm sure I'm late on this - but is Dan Patrick really advocating what is effectively death squads for the olds? 
What a dumb fuck, let's just kill several million when the hospital get overrun; this seems very immature, like a toddler who can't understand how time works or that we've talked about how this was going to work.
I feel sorry for Texas and for Texans having someone like this in a leadership position (sorry to CR the thread - but that is how Trump is treating this as well)

Since you just CR'd with this post, I'll reply that some of y'all have been bitching about wanting socialized healthcare for ages and now you complain when it's put into practice? What did you think was going to happen when the government decides who gets limited resources? Italy did the same thing. Spain has retirement homes abandoning olds to die.

You and your stupid political posts are about as welcome in this thread as a shit-shaped swastika in a synagogue. Now piss off.

[atomheartbevo 89447]

26 minutes ago, UT_OB1 said:

Agree on what we are calling it.  SiP has a very distinct meaning here in the Houston area that means you need to act, right now, or possibly risk getting killed.  

And my friends in the Dallas area feel the same way, except it’s the whole tornado thing.  Not a good term.  

[Beau Vine 54001]

40 minutes ago, OU Sucks said:

Any idiots found defying orders should have their names put on a list.  Anyone on the list should be the last to receive care, should they need to seek medical attention.

Also, I've heard Austinite's mom is a Super Spreader.

Well, her legs are anyways.

[Somnio 751]

14 minutes ago, Bevo VIII said:

So apparently Academy is essential.

Damn straight.  It contains just about everything you'll need for the apocalypse.

[InkaUtexas 25518]

2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

And my friends in the Dallas area feel the same way, except it’s the whole tornado thing.  Not a good term.  

Only reason I do not like SiP is it sounds like an aggy came up with it. 

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

1 minute ago, Somnio said:

Damn straight.  It contains just about everything you'll need for the apocalypse.

And gym shorts to look sexy while doing it!

[Hpara759 1777]

38 minutes ago, Loco said:

Why are judges issuing these decrees?   Are these unincorporated areas?  It's all coming from Mayors and Governors here...

(guessing)   small communities outside of Georgetown would not issue the order and 1 larger town east of Round Rock probably wouldn't either

[utee94 15745]

18 minutes ago, Bevo VIII said:

So apparently Academy is essential.

 

3 minutes ago, Somnio said:

Damn straight.  It contains just about everything you'll need for the apocalypse.

Exactly.  If they close down Academy, THEN they're gonna see the riots!

[Somnio 751]

1 minute ago, Cheeseweasel said:

And gym shorts to look sexy while doing it!

I mean just cuz it's the end of the world don't mean you still shouldn't look good, right?!?

[Captainant 27463]

6 minutes ago, Modessit said:

2 hours ago, Captainant said:

 Cloroquine Phosphate is indeed taken on its own to treat malaria. Now, nobody is saying that the president is personally liable for these people's terrible decision making. However, it's strong evidence of the danger that comes from a lack of consistent message from the white house, and the president overriding his medical experts advice and counsel on the topic. 

Read more  

I saw it mentioned here long before ever hearing about it on TV. Does that mean I can blame you or some other poster? There has been no "official" recommendation. It's only mentioned in the pressers because it's being talked about in public forums and on news outlets and needs to be addressed.

The president said falsely last week that it was approved by the FDA. The direct quote from last Thursdays presser (which was the genesis of the idea) is:

"It's shown very encouraging -- very, very encouraging early results. And we're going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately. And that's where the FDA has been so great. They -- they've gone through the approval process; it's been approved. And they did it -- they took it down from many, many months to immediate. So we're going to be able to make that drug available by prescription or states. Normally the FDA would take a long time to approve something like that, and it's -- it was approved very, very quickly and it's now approved, by prescription."

Sounds damn like an official recommendation, straight from the president's mouth. And then two days later, some dumb shits hospitalize themselves after taking cloroquine phosphate via fish tank cleaner because they were so scared and the president said in the same presser that “It’s been around for a long time, so we know that if things don’t go as planned, it’s not going to kill anybody.” 

The woman who survived said the soundbite was on alot and that “They kept saying that it was approved for other things and, you know, Trump kept saying it was basically pretty much a cure.” 

So again, I'm not saying that dumb people doing dumb things is the fault of anyone besides those dumb people. However, if someone has the position and authority and platform to get the word out, the least they could do is use accurate and correct information that doesn't confuse the general public and give dumb people a reason to do a dumb thing. 

Don't see why that's such a controversial thing to think and say around these parts. 

[Trey3216 15325]

2 hours ago, Pam Cummings said:

It's Saturday, Oct 3rd, 2015 and we're getting blown out by 7 TDs at TCU. You're the fucktard saying "just wait until Charlie gets his guys in there".

 

Because if there's anything we know as Texas fans, it's that we should just allow the incompetent leaders that got us into the huge mess in the first place continue to manage the crisis and just hope they'll just learn to not be shitty. Because it's not like we have the pull and resources to do better or anything.

I too, am pissed off at President Xi 

[Pancho 44479]

Amazon employee at the Katy delivery station has tested positive.  Just a heads up for yall ordering down that way. 

[B00M 6280]

17 minutes ago, Loco said:

Well when the dust settles we will probably be able to figure out what the fuck happened.   

Follow the link to more detail....  Go down to transmissions and hit play

Does this show significantly slower mutation rate than flu? 

[Goredho 17348]

1 hour ago, atomheartbevo said:

Yeah, I mentioned somebody I know a few days ago trying to get tested.  They finally got tested (no results yet), but now a family member has some symptoms, and is being refused an actual test, even though the doctor thinks they should be.   If person #1 is positive, she will get a test, but she’s in a holding pattern.

What the officials keep saying about testing is not matching up with what’s happening.   I told her she need to go to a news station like KXAN.

They should walk into a police station and start coughing on everyone.  I bet they get tested real quick and BONUS: they won't have to worry about their job going away as an inmate.

[topochico 1049]

59 minutes ago, Bevo said:

That isn't what the board is saying. It is saying emergency treatment only.

Obviously every office will be different. SA should certainly contact his urologist and see what their plans are for the near future. The recommendations are for surgeries in hospitals and surgery centers to maintain bed space and free up supplies. Vasectomies are in office, minimal equipment procedures. Where I am located, doctors are still performing in office minor procedures under local anesthesia (vasectomies, small skin lesion removal etc.). They are also still performing urgent (non-emergency) surgeries that should go to avoid unnecessary delay (breast cancer resection, chemotherapy port insertion, some spine surgeries...)

Given SA's recent proclivities, it may still qualify as an emergency procedure if the end result in 9 months is child support and a crazy baby mama. 

[VABuckeye 2472]

2 minutes ago, Captainant said:

The president said falsely last week that it was approved by the FDA. The direct quote from last Thursdays presser (which was the genesis of the idea) is:

"It's shown very encouraging -- very, very encouraging early results. And we're going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately. And that's where the FDA has been so great. They -- they've gone through the approval process; it's been approved. And they did it -- they took it down from many, many months to immediate. So we're going to be able to make that drug available by prescription or states. Normally the FDA would take a long time to approve something like that, and it's -- it was approved very, very quickly and it's now approved, by prescription."

Sounds damn like an official recommendation, straight from the president's mouth. And then two days later, some dumb shits hospitalize themselves after taking cloroquine phosphate via fish tank cleaner because they were so scared and the president said in the same presser that “It’s been around for a long time, so we know that if things don’t go as planned, it’s not going to kill anybody.” 

The woman who survived said the soundbite was on alot and that “They kept saying that it was approved for other things and, you know, Trump kept saying it was basically pretty much a cure.” 

So again, I'm not saying that dumb people doing dumb things is the fault of anyone besides those dumb people. However, if someone has the position and authority and platform to get the word out, the least they could do is use accurate and correct information that doesn't confuse the general public and give dumb people a reason to do a dumb thing. 

Don't see why that's such a controversial thing to think and say around these parts. 

Goddammit.  I don't want to be political in this thread but be fucking accurate and don't paraphrase to make your point.  You left out.

Quote

Now, a drug called chloroquine -- and some people would add to it "hydroxy-." Hydroxychloroquine. So chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine. 

Now show me where he added the word phosphate.  There's enough shit in this world without piling more on.  I'm not a fan of his but I'm also not going to twist what was said to suit my own agenda.

[BillyGoatHill 4276]

22 minutes ago, Murfdogg21 said:

But he identifies as a grumpy old nurse. 

He has referenced intubating in his daily course of work. Grumpy old nurses normally don't (unless on a flight or other specialty team) do this task, so he is most likely a grumpy old/not old CNA (Certified Nurse Anethetist).

[tx 3 putt 76383]

48 minutes ago, Loco said:

Why are judges issuing these decrees?   Are these unincorporated areas?  It's all coming from Mayors and Governors here...

County Judge in Texas has the power 

Governor has said it is up to counties to decide what’s best for their county 

[NoName 16301]

6 minutes ago, Captainant said:

Spoiler

 

The president said falsely last week that it was approved by the FDA. The direct quote from last Thursdays presser (which was the genesis of the idea) is:

"It's shown very encouraging -- very, very encouraging early results. And we're going to be able to make that drug available almost immediately. And that's where the FDA has been so great. They -- they've gone through the approval process; it's been approved. And they did it -- they took it down from many, many months to immediate. So we're going to be able to make that drug available by prescription or states. Normally the FDA would take a long time to approve something like that, and it's -- it was approved very, very quickly and it's now approved, by prescription

 

."Sounds damn like an official recommendation, straight from the president's mouth.

Spoiler

 

And then two days later, some dumb shits hospitalize themselves after taking cloroquine phosphate via fish tank cleaner because they were so scared and the president said in the same presser that “It’s been around for a long time, so we know that if things don’t go as planned, it’s not going to kill anybody.” 

The woman who survived said the soundbite was on alot and that “They kept saying that it was approved for other things and, you know, Trump kept saying it was basically pretty much a cure.” 

So again, I'm not saying that dumb people doing dumb things is the fault of anyone besides those dumb people. However, if someone has the position and authority and platform to get the word out, the least they could do is use accurate and correct information that doesn't confuse the general public and give dumb people a reason to do a dumb thing. 

Don't see why that's such a controversial thing to think and say around these parts. 

 

 

[Sgt Hulk 13647]

Good God, i just saw on FB, that the boomers are still destroying the economy because they are the reason we are all locked down to protect them.

 

sigh