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7 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

I’ve crunched some numbers over lunch. It appears that every person that dies of covid this year would have eventually died of something else at some point in the future. And this is irrespective of milk consumption!  So the true death rate is zero. Covid will kill zero otherwise immortal beings. 

Silver Bullet #103 right here!

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1 hour ago, Dendox said:

Question - in america in 2017, there were about 7700 deaths per day (on average) per the CDC.  Has anyone seen statistics as to the total deaths in america per day right now?  I have read all of you geniuses discussing COVID as a cause of death with varying degrees of certainty regarding co-morbidities and attribution to COVID.  I don't think I have seen anyone evaluate how the total death count from COVID plays into/corresponds to the expected death count without COVID.  

Are we talking 1% more people dying than normal? 10%? more?  less?

 

Have fun with this site...you can download the data and it has flu deaths, pneumonia deaths and total deaths.  The data is complete through mid March.....counting the dead takes some time

 

https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortality.html

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1 hour ago, InkaUtexas said:

Food bank tried to get school buses for food delivery around town and to deliver the free school lunches. ISD said nope, kids have to come to the schools if they want lunch. Buses are magic I guess. 

Great concept for sure. School buses have fuel allocated and the drivers need the work. 

Great idea but maintaining haccp food safety protocols with that would be quite challenging.

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2 minutes ago, ShaggyBevo RIP said:

Great idea but maintaining haccp food safety protocols with that would be quite challenging.

There was going to be modifications to the plan for sure. Once was just allow the professionals to run it and get volunteers out of the equation. So one lunch lady, one food bank staff and one driver per bus. Limit involvement, reception points, etc. What sucked was the discussion just died. Shit, Lockhart was able to do it. 

Instead meals are not getting out like they need to be. 

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1 minute ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

Yep. One person gets food poisoning from the school bus food idea, and there is a lawsuit whether it really occurred or not.  

same applies to the food bank or the school lunch program. Add to these the movement of food and people coming and going. Either way we should be able to do it better. But not my fight. 

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2 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

same applies to the food bank or the school lunch program. Add to these the movement of food and people coming and going. Either way we should be able to do it better. But not my fight. 

Food banks aren't giving out cooked food that has to be maintained in a temperature range.  School lunches are cooked and served in a facility designed to maintain haccp principles.

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Food banks aren't giving out cooked food that has to be maintained in a temperature range.  School lunches are cooked and served in a facility designed to maintain haccp principles.

Commodity boxes are not cooked. They are 2 weeks of basic food stuffs for households. Anyways, ain't gonna happen. Back to nurses and vaccines. 

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Study to test if COVID was in California earlier than previously thought

Will be interesting to see the data from this.

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Researchers at Stanford Medicine are working to find out what proportion of Californians have already had COVID-19. The new study could help policymakers make more informed decisions during the coronavirus pandemic.

The team tested 3,200 people at three Bay Area locations on Saturday using an antibody test for COVID-19 and expect to release results in the coming weeks. The data could help to prove COVID-19 arrived undetected in California much earlier than previously thought.

The hypothesis that COVID-19 first started spreading in California in the fall of 2019 is one explanation for the state's lower than expected case numbers.

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Hanson said he thinks it is possible COVID-19 has been spreading among Californians since the fall when doctors reported an early flu season in the state. During that same time, California was welcoming as many as 8,000 Chinese nationals daily into our airports. Some of those visitors even arriving on direct flights from Wuhan, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak in China.

"When you add it all up it would be naïve to think that California did not have some exposure," said Hanson.

For years California has been the No. 1 travel destination for Chinese tourists in the United States. Even after the U.S. halted flights from China this winter Chinese travelers were still able to come to California on flights from Europe and Canada.

Hanson said through all of this the Chinese have been disingenuous about the timing of the initial outbreak of COVID-19.

"They originally said it was in early January, then it got backdated to December and then early December and now they are saying as early as November 17," said Hanson.

If Californians were exposed earlier than the rest of the country to COVID-19 we may have had a chance to build up some herd immunity to the disease. We won't know if that is the case until results from the Stanford Medicine study come back.

 

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2 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Btw, who is rocking face masks?

I’m not yet but if I do I think I’m just going with a bandana outlaw/gangster style.

My mother has made a bunch for our extended family.  Mostly Disney and little kid motifs, but she just made me one that is burnt orange with white Longhorn logos on it, and I gotta say I look pretty bad-ass wearing it.

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Study to test if COVID was in California earlier than previously thought
Will be interesting to see the data from this.
Researchers at Stanford Medicine are working to find out what proportion of Californians have already had COVID-19. The new study could help policymakers make more informed decisions during the coronavirus pandemic.
The team tested 3,200 people at three Bay Area locations on Saturday using an antibody test for COVID-19 and expect to release results in the coming weeks. The data could help to prove COVID-19 arrived undetected in California much earlier than previously thought.
The hypothesis that COVID-19 first started spreading in California in the fall of 2019 is one explanation for the state's lower than expected case numbers.
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Hanson said he thinks it is possible COVID-19 has been spreading among Californians since the fall when doctors reported an early flu season in the state. During that same time, California was welcoming as many as 8,000 Chinese nationals daily into our airports. Some of those visitors even arriving on direct flights from Wuhan, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak in China.
"When you add it all up it would be naïve to think that California did not have some exposure," said Hanson.
For years California has been the No. 1 travel destination for Chinese tourists in the United States. Even after the U.S. halted flights from China this winter Chinese travelers were still able to come to California on flights from Europe and Canada.
Hanson said through all of this the Chinese have been disingenuous about the timing of the initial outbreak of COVID-19.
"They originally said it was in early January, then it got backdated to December and then early December and now they are saying as early as November 17," said Hanson.
If Californians were exposed earlier than the rest of the country to COVID-19 we may have had a chance to build up some herd immunity to the disease. We won't know if that is the case until results from the Stanford Medicine study come back.
 

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I don’t know if it really was though. If this virus is as infectious as experts warn, you’d expect that we would have seen hospitals struggling much, much earlier than what we currently are seeing in December and January, particularly with how much travel occurs for the holidays. 
 

Still is a research project that is well worth finding. 

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10 minutes ago, tbone_ said:

Btw, who is rocking face masks?

I’m not yet but if I do I think I’m just going with a bandana outlaw/gangster style.

I have a reusable one. Good for smoke/pollution/dust but the best I have. one thing I am making is a semi-waterproof canvas for it. They are burnt orange... if it works will post and see if we can get some out to anyone. 

 

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I don’t know if it really was though. If this virus is as infectious as experts warn, you’d expect that we would have seen hospitals struggling much, much earlier than what we currently are seeing in December and January, particularly with how much travel occurs for the holidays. 
 
Still is a research project that is well worth finding. 

I mean the entire left coast is a giant Asian travel hub. I’d be surprised if it wasn’t but ya you’re right about not seeing some sort of surge on the hospital system
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4 hours ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

One flaw in some of the new analysis and even old analysis is imperfect information. We seem to reply on an assumption that we have up to date testing. The other day Houston had a dump of tests finally reported, some tests waiting to be analyzed for a couple of weeks. The number of positives greatly jumped.  However we don't know how many current tests are waiting to be processed. Is it just 1 day's worth of tests?  10?  

Maryland has been averaging about 300-400 new positives per day. Today it jumped to 1,200.  Did they really experience 3-4x new people with coronavirus or did the labs get new processing machines to catch up on the backlog.  https://coronavirus.maryland.gov/

the point being that I don't know if the raw numbers tell us the full story without more context. And that context doesn't seem to be available.

 

Quest diagnostics alone had a backlog of 150,000 samples a week ago and the vast majority of those were from New York. I’d guess part of the big jump from Maryland is the N.Y. pig working it’s way through the python and other places starting to get quicker turnaround time on their results. 

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5 hours ago, Liquor and Poker said:

I once read a book that - using clear, factual data and rigorous analysis -concluded that the Ark of the Covenant was an Alien weapon that the Jewish people stole from the Egyptians in order to free themselves.  They ultimately hid it on Elephantine Island, where it sits to this day guarded by a secret sect of African Jews.

I’d watch that movie 

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1 minute ago, InkaUtexas said:

hahaha, client has an order going to a group in Florida. Non-USG, but state affiliated. he did the right thing and was not adding shit to the price. Guess I will tell him to sell them where he lives. 

You do know Florida is in the US, right?

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7 minutes ago, GabrielsHorn said:

I don’t know if it really was though. If this virus is as infectious as experts warn, you’d expect that we would have seen hospitals struggling much, much earlier than what we currently are seeing in December and January, particularly with how much travel occurs for the holidays. 
 

Still is a research project that is well worth finding. 

Yeah, I'm torn on this one.  I mean, I'm one of the folks who had a really epic and nagging chest cold late last year, and wonder about it.  It seems POSSIBLE.  But it also seems that, if it was COVID, we would have seen hospitals straining way before.

As much as I WISH that I had already had it (man, that would be a load off, and maybe my plasma could help people), I just have to doubt it.  It was probably another similar cold virus going around back then.  But, it will be good to find out.  If for no other reason, than mapping and predicting future epidemics.

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NB: we’ve reverted to the 7-day moving average

Daily new deaths:
• General trend in US and UK is still more deaths every day than the last
• Japan joins this chart, deaths tracking Italy

 

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Just got an email saying the clinical pathology department is wanting to borrow certain types of qPCRs from the labs/departments that have them (which includes mine) for COVID-19 testing purposes.  QuantStudio 3, for those interested in that sort of thing. 

Anyhow, I wonder if this is going on at all the other similar places.  Never thought about it, but those things are fairly pricey (I want to say something like 50-60k) and I suppose there aren't all THAT many of them.  There were only three on the list. 

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1 minute ago, Bevo said:

Just FYI, China is full of shit and fuck them.

Heard an interview today about how they have "ended" their Wuhan lockdown.  Basically you can only leave your apartment if it's for an approved purpose and only for 2 hours.  You have also have a tracking app on your phone.   They are still very worried.  They have also apparently sealed off Beijing from the outside...  No one is getting in.

There's no use crying over spilled milk.

 

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1 minute ago, Loco said:

Heard an interview today about how they have "ended" their Wuhan lockdown.  Basically you can only leave your apartment if it's for an approved purpose and only for 2 hours.  You have also have a tracking app on your phone.   They are still very worried.  They have also apparently sealed off Beijing from the outside...  No one is getting in.

There's no use crying over spilled milk.

 

Also locking down places up in the Northwest previously left open. They lied, the Chinese die, and the world pays the price. Seems like their usually approach to shit. 

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24 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Yeah, I'm torn on this one.  I mean, I'm one of the folks who had a really epic and nagging chest cold late last year, and wonder about it.  It seems POSSIBLE.  But it also seems that, if it was COVID, we would have seen hospitals straining way before.

As much as I WISH that I had already had it (man, that would be a load off, and maybe my plasma could help people), I just have to doubt it.  It was probably another similar cold virus going around back then.  But, it will be good to find out.  If for no other reason, than mapping and predicting future epidemics.

Yeah. There's no way this thing is benign enough to not get noticed for 6 months, then suddenly overrun hospitals in a matter of weeks.

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5 minutes ago, JOSEYWALES66 said:

According to Worldometer, Nevada has over 20,000 for today with only 2000 coming into today.   I assume they had some sort of data dump issue or a bunch of tests results came back. 

Or finally hired the out of work casino personnel to start counting. Never trust Nevada numbers right? 

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4 hours ago, dcar00 said:

FYI, I know you might have been joking but Lowes has bleach in the pool area most times.  its at a higher concentration than normal bleach but you can adjust by using.....wait for it....MATHS!

Funny you mention that. I was using the bleach to recharge the Seachem filter for my turtle. Since I couldn't find bleach, I just tossed it in the pool skimmer basket. Next day? All clear.

 

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Just got an email saying the clinical pathology department is wanting to borrow certain types of qPCRs from the labs/departments that have them (which includes mine) for COVID-19 testing purposes.  QuantStudio 3, for those interested in that sort of thing.  Anyhow, I wonder if this is going on at all the other similar places.  Never thought about it, but those things are fairly pricey (I want to say something like 50-60k) and I suppose there aren't all THAT many of them.  There were only three on the list.  

 

 Yeah, Methodist is looking to borrow one of our Quart IV Dillowackers.

 

 

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