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8 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Yep.  That was before stupid voices could amplify themselves through the interwebz.  Bunch of soft pussies these days...

Said it before on this thread. Anyone pissed about their lack of social interaction/shopping options should read a bit about the Siege of Leningrad (I recommend 900 Days). Instead we have this. 

 

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2 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Said it before on this thread. Anyone pissed about their lack of social interaction/shopping options should read a bit about the Siege of Leningrad (I recommend 900 Days). Instead we have this. 

 

This was a great reply:

 

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2 hours ago, gmr548 said:

And it's amusing to see people congregating at state capitols with confederate (double lol for northern states) and nazi flags under the guise of "liberation." The extreme nonsense caricature thing is a two-way street. I don't really know what your point is.

? They're not doing that on this thread. So I don't really know what your point is.

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31 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Said it before on this thread. Anyone pissed about their lack of social interaction/shopping options should read a bit about the Siege of Leningrad (I recommend 900 Days). Instead we have this. 

 

Dumbasses. Everyone knows to fly a banner with "Fauci Is Not Our Standard!"

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Providing dialysis to Covid-19 patients is the latest unforeseen challenge taxing hospitals.
Doctors are scrambling to handle an unanticipated crisis as a surge in Covid-19 patients with kidney failure has led to shortages of machines, supplies and staff required for emergency dialysis.

Evidence is mounting that in addition to respiratory complications, the coronavirus is also shutting down some patients’ kidneys, posing yet another series of life-and-death calculations for doctors, who were already dealing with a shortage of ventilators.

It is not yet known whether the kidneys are a major target of the virus, or whether they’re just one of many organs that can fail as the virus overwhelms the body.

Kidney specialists now estimate that 20 percent to 40 percent of patients in intensive care suffered kidney failure and needed emergency dialysis. Outside of New York, the growing demand for kidney treatments is becoming a major burden on hospitals in emerging hot spots like Boston, Chicago, New Orleans and Detroit.

Not only are there few spare machines, fluids and other supplies needed for the dialysis regimen are also running short. The number of trained nurses on hand to provide the treatment has also been limited.

Hospitals said they have called on the federal government to help prioritize equipment, supplies and personnel for the areas of the country that most need it, adding that manufacturers had not been fully responsive to the higher demand.

 

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5 hours ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Are there actually any scientists or epidemiologists out there that are saying its safe to reopen the country at this point? Or even close to safe?

I read where one of the leading epidemiologist in the world said.....ballgame.  

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5 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

Reacted in January doesn't mean shutdown. We should have reacted. We should have been preparing in January and February and early March.  We only had to shutdown because we didn't react properly. 

Going forward, what we do is what’s important.    We need to be willing to more quickly shut down air travel to any  areas that flare up (areas such as Italy and South Korea for example).      

We should probably have a talk about the success stories here in the US, and whether being aggressive/proactive (such as Ohio) paid off, and at what price (versus being reactive and waiting to see what happens).    For instance, some of us were surprised at how quickly SXSW was canceled (it did make national news, given it was one of the first big events that was canceled), but in hindsight it was a very wise thing to do.

We also need to think about nursing homes and extended care facilities.  After things die down,  I don’t think taking temps of visitors going forward is a bad thing, as well as keeping certain enhanced cleaning practices around.    Some of those places were ticking time bombs waiting for something like this.   

Still, here we are in April 18, and only 35,000 confirmed dead, and that is damned impressive.  

We still have a long ways to go, but I think there are some best practices that will come out of this, that might prevent us from having to do the kinds of lockdowns we’ve seen.  

We will have to have a serious discussion on the schools being closed.  That hit a lot of people harder than stores being closed, as it tied a helluva lot of workers down.   

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2 hours ago, Trey3216 said:

Or, you know, none of us are claiming that the virus was made in a lab, but rather, escaped a lab after a study animal from the wild carrying the virus passed it to a lab worker.  
 

but maybe you and a host of others can’t fucking read or contextualize what we’ve been talking about. 

People do conflate the two a lot. However, he does address it in the article. Doesn't disprove anything, but is evidence against the lab leak origin.

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(ii) the level of genome sequence divergence between SARS-CoV-2 and RaTG13 is equivalent to an average of 50 years (and at least 20 years) of evolutionary change.

"Hence, SARS-CoV-2 was not derived from RaTG13.

"In addition, we know that viruses related to SARS-CoV-2 are also found in pangolins. This suggests that other wildlife species are likely to carry relatives of SARS-CoV-2.

"In summary, the abundance, diversity and evolution of coronaviruses in wildlife strongly suggests that this virus is of natural origin. However, a greater sampling of animal species in nature, including bats from Hubei province, is needed to resolve the exact origins of SARS-CoV-2."

 

 

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2 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Going forward, what we do is what’s important.    We need to be willing to more quickly shut down air travel to any  areas that flare up (areas such as Italy and South Korea for example).      

We should probably have a talk about the success stories here in the US, and whether being aggressive/proactive (such as Ohio) paid off, and at what price (versus being reactive and waiting to see what happens).    For instance, some of us were surprised at how quickly SXSW was canceled (it did make national news, given it was one of the first big events that was canceled), but in hindsight it was a very wise thing to do.

We also need to think about nursing homes and extended care facilities.  After things die down,  I don’t think taking temps of visitors going forward is a bad thing, as well as keeping certain enhanced cleaning practices around.    Some of those places were ticking time bombs waiting for something like this.   

Still, here we are in April 18, and only 35,000 confirmed dead, and that is damned impressive.  

We still have a long ways to go, but I think there are some best practices that will come out of this, that might prevent us from having to do the kinds of lockdowns we’ve seen.  

Yes, we need to be much more willing to severely restrict travel.  My concern is that the real lesson here is that targeted travel restrictions won't do it.  Given the global nature of travel in the 21st century, you have to shut down everything. Both east and west, without exception except for US citizens who need to undergo a mandatory quarantine.  If we had shut down all international travel and required mandatory quarantine for US citizens entering the country on Jan 31, instead of just China, I think that we are in a very different place.  There is no way anybody was going to make that call in late January, but I think that it is the take away learning. 

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Probably.  But social unrest and people starting to violate shelter in place etc will definitely make it last a lot longer.  We just don’t have the discipline as a society to do what it takes.  That’s the sad truth.  

the shelter in place is a fucking joke.  It isn't what some of y'all think it is, with regard to effectiveness.

Go out to the stores.  Go out anywhere that is open.  People are giving zero fucks about social distancing or whatever other precautions have been prescribed.

Some of em even have masks on while they shop in groups of 5.  SMFH.

Full disclosure: just returned from grocery run.  Had a 10 year oldish kid riding his razor scooter down the aisle at WalMart.  Multiple, multiple groups of people shopping together, blocking aisles, not giving a shit.  People have never bought into this shit at all. 

They have to have a gun to their heads to do the right thing...and even then, it's still 50/50.

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4 hours ago, Casual Encounter said:

I’m no expert, but maybe there was no test available prior to that?

Not NY, but relevant to the discussion.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-11/bay-area-coronavirus-deaths-signs-of-earlier-spread-california%3f_amp=true

The tests were done locally  - this was back in late February:
https://fortune.com/longform/coronavirus-seattle-flatten-curve-amazon-microsoft-starbucks-nordstrom-costco-covid-19-outbreak/

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What nobody imagined was how quickly things would turn. Just three days later, public health authorities announced the state’s second confirmed case of COVID-19. It was a stunning one: The infected individual was a local teenager, a high school student also from Snohomish County but who hadn’t traveled anywhere. (His case had been detected only because the Seattle Flu Study, an influenza surveillance effort funded by Seattle-based Gates Ventures and staffed by University of Washington, Seattle Children’s Hospital, and Hutch scientists—Bedford among them—ignored state and federal guidelines and tested samples.)

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And then the following night, a Friday, Gregoire got a call. The state had its first COVID-19 death, and there was an outbreak at a local nursing home. The virus was in the community, and it was spreading. The threat they’d all been worrying about had already arrived. 

 

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the shelter in place is a fucking joke.  It isn't what some of y'all think it is, with regard to effectiveness.

Go out to the stores.  Go out anywhere that is open.  People are giving zero fucks about social distancing or whatever other precautions have been prescribed.

Some of em even have masks on while they shop in groups of 5.  SMFH.

Full disclosure: just returned from grocery run.  Had a 10 year oldish kid riding his razor scooter down the aisle at WalMart.  Multiple, multiple groups of people shopping together, blocking aisles, not giving a shit.  People have never bought into this shit at all. 

They have to have a gun to their heads to do the right thing...and even then, it's still 50/50.

Yeah, I live in a place slightly more dense than Lubbock.  It may not be working where ever you are but around here it is.  It's a sunny Saturday morning.  I live in the city and looking out I see less than 10 people from my high rise.  But the 'ya'll' is a nice touch as if you know more than I do about any of this.  We're just in 28 states and 400+ hospitals/SNF's with a few hundred doctors who are all updating each other several times a week...We are directly plugged into the Johns Hopkins COVID tracking program too.  But I appreciate your hard hitting update from Lubbock, duly noted. 

I also said because Chicago has done a good job sticking to social distancing and shelter at home, we'll likely be able to start elective procedures and slowly open things up in May.  I'm not one of those, keep everything closed forever, people.  But again, that 10 year old and Lubbock so...

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It wasn't a Nazi flag.  It was used to make a point about the ridiculous rules being made and enforced by the governor of Michigan.

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Photoshop.  Ric Ocasek died 6 months ago.   Fucking restraining order from his ex Paulina Porizkova mentions his death pretty prominently.  

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8 minutes ago, Iceman said:

the shelter in place is a fucking joke.  It isn't what some of y'all think it is, with regard to effectiveness.

Go out to the stores.  Go out anywhere that is open.  People are giving zero fucks about social distancing or whatever other precautions have been prescribed.

Some of em even have masks on while they shop in groups of 5.  SMFH.

Full disclosure: just returned from grocery run.  Had a 10 year oldish kid riding his razor scooter down the aisle at WalMart.  Multiple, multiple groups of people shopping together, blocking aisles, not giving a shit.  People have never bought into this shit at all. 

They have to have a gun to their heads to do the right thing...and even then, it's still 50/50.

Ran into a mongoloid party of 9 at H-E-B yesterday.  None of them wearing masks or gloves.   Touching shit, leaning on the conveyor at the cash register.   Cashier told them multiple times to stop touching shit.   Multiple eye rolls and head shakes from me and the lady behind me, and another lady next to me.   What the fuck people.  

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9 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

Ran into a mongoloid party of 9 at H-E-B yesterday.  None of them wearing masks or gloves.   Touching shit, leaning on the conveyor at the cash register.   Cashier told them multiple times to stop touching shit.   Multiple eye rolls and head shakes from me and the lady behind me, and another lady next to me.   What the fuck people.  

Infowars apparently held a rally in downtown Austin today.   About what you’d expect, given that crowd.   Shame it was cloudy and there were no jets overhead with contrails spreading covid.   

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9 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

Ran into a mongoloid party of 9 at H-E-B yesterday.  None of them wearing masks or gloves.   Touching shit, leaning on the conveyor at the cash register.   Cashier told them multiple times to stop touching shit.   Multiple eye rolls and head shakes from me and the lady behind me, and another lady next to me.   What the fuck people.  

Where are y’all shopping? I just got back from Costco and Central Market in South Austin. Both stores limiting groups to couples, which is no big deal because presumably they live together. 100% of people wearing masks and respecting each other’s space. 

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42 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

Going forward, what we do is what’s important.    We need to be willing to more quickly shut down air travel to any  areas that flare up (areas such as Italy and South Korea for example).      

We should probably have a talk about the success stories here in the US, and whether being aggressive/proactive (such as Ohio) paid off, and at what price (versus being reactive and waiting to see what happens).    For instance, some of us were surprised at how quickly SXSW was canceled (it did make national news, given it was one of the first big events that was canceled), but in hindsight it was a very wise thing to do.

We also need to think about nursing homes and extended care facilities.  After things die down,  I don’t think taking temps of visitors going forward is a bad thing, as well as keeping certain enhanced cleaning practices around.    Some of those places were ticking time bombs waiting for something like this.   

Still, here we are in April 18, and only 35,000 confirmed dead, and that is damned impressive.  

We still have a long ways to go, but I think there are some best practices that will come out of this, that might prevent us from having to do the kinds of lockdowns we’ve seen.  

We will have to have a serious discussion on the schools being closed.  That hit a lot of people harder than stores being closed, as it tied a helluva lot of workers down.   

Schools need to open. I say that as a father of 3 kids with a stay at home wife- so if anyone is set up to fade schools being closed it’s me- this is not personal or selfish. 

We need herd immunity- kids pass this shit around like crazy and don’t seem to be effected all that much by it. Send the little bastards to school so they can infect themselves and bring it back home and infect me and my wife and get this whole shindig over with. 

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1 hour ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Probably.  But social unrest and people starting to violate shelter in place etc will definitely make it last a lot longer.  We just don’t have the discipline as a society to do what it takes.  That’s the sad truth.  

Same lack of discipline, or "American Spirit", that likely prevents us from implementing a track and trace program to fight this issue?

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Ran into a mongoloid party of 9 at H-E-B yesterday.  None of them wearing masks or gloves.   Touching shit, leaning on the conveyor at the cash register.   Cashier told them multiple times to stop touching shit.   Multiple eye rolls and head shakes from me and the lady behind me, and another lady next to me.   What the fuck people.  

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We need herd immunity- kids pass this shit around like crazy and don’t seem to be effected all that much by it. Send the little bastards to school so they can infect themselves and bring it back home and infect me and my wife and get this whole shindig over with. 

The Swiss don't seem to think so.  They are opening their schools soon. One of their main public health officials claims its mostly adults infecting children, not the other way around.  Their viral loads seem to be really low, which is very dissimilar from the flu.  

https://www.rts.ch/info/sciences-tech/medecine/11255942-en-suisse-104-enfants-de-moins-de-10-ans-ont-ete-testes-positifs-au-covid-19.html

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At the start of the epidemic, it was thought that children could in fact be asymptomatic carriers of the disease ... But Daniel Koch, the head of the OFSP crisis cell, said on Friday in a press conference that , according to the first serological tests - those looking for traces of antibodies - this does not seem to be the case.

But we must be careful, in the current circumstances, because there is currently no large-scale study, validated by the usual channels: Daniel Koch said to be based on the return of pediatricians and infectious disease specialists in the field.

Most of the infected children are not very sick: of the 3200 people hospitalized at the moment in Switzerland, only eighteen are less than ten years old. And while Switzerland records around 1,300 deaths, there have been none in this age group.

However, there have been some elsewhere in the world: one in Italy and one in France, in particular, but the number remains low.

It would be adults who infect children

According to some virologists, it seems that even when children are tested positive for the virus, their viral load, that is to say roughly the number of viruses circulating in their body, is often very low.

Which would explain why they are - still according to Daniel Koch - bad vectors of the disease. It seems that it is adults who infect children, not the other way around.

 

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40 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Yeah, I live in a place slightly more dense than Lubbock.

I don't live in Lubbock.  I work for an area including Texas, OK, AR, & LA.  The discussions/ observations are consistent among my peers.  It's hardly anecdotal or the exception.  We are absolutely out in the public, to the point our employer keeps trying to tout "servicing America.  You are heroes."  and I roll my eyes heartily at the notion; but yeah, we be in it neck deep.  It's pretty much the same everywhere.

The shelter in place applies to them other people...

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the shelter in place is a fucking joke.  It isn't what some of y'all think it is, with regard to effectiveness.

Go out to the stores.  Go out anywhere that is open.  People are giving zero fucks about social distancing or whatever other precautions have been prescribed.

Some of em even have masks on while they shop in groups of 5.  SMFH.

Full disclosure: just returned from grocery run.  Had a 10 year oldish kid riding his razor scooter down the aisle at WalMart.  Multiple, multiple groups of people shopping together, blocking aisles, not giving a shit.  People have never bought into this shit at all. 

They have to have a gun to their heads to do the right thing...and even then, it's still 50/50.

The Walmart i was at yesterday had about 80% of the morbidly obese patrons wearing a mask. I see them quite a bit. Part of why I think we’re going to be ok. 

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35 minutes ago, LebongJames said:

Where are y’all shopping? I just got back from Costco and Central Market in South Austin. Both stores limiting groups to couples, which is no big deal because presumably they live together. 100% of people wearing masks and respecting each other’s space. 

I live in Hewitt.  They’ve been really good about turning large groups away, but apparently these mouthbreathers walked in like they were separate groups.  Mom & Dad, their 3 kids, and their kids significant others and 1 3 year old.   Fucking pissed me off 

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