Formerly DT: COVID-19 - Featuring Lots of Politics, now CR because political talk not going away

[Hpara759 1792]

https://www.myhighplains.com/news/texas/texas-tribune/meatpacking-workers-in-texas-panhandle-have-little-power-to-avoid-the-coronavirus/

 

 

[utee94 16080]

1 minute ago, Brisketexan said:

First.....????

Second....because one of those things we can still change?  We can't change how the virus arose, or how it got out of China....but we CAN change how it is managed here.  Rational discussion of problems should probably be focused on the immediate-term problems that can actually be solved, don't you think?  I mean, when a patient shows up with a dangerously high fever, I don't think the sound treatment plan would be for the doctors to spend their time discussing how the virus probably came from Timbuktu, and how the patient probably was stupid and exposed himself by hanging out in a crowd.....the better plan is probably getting the fever under control and saving the patient.  Then, we can learn things from the patient, and maybe not repeat mistakes -- his and ours -- in the future.  But being that we're still in the acute phase, it's pretty reasonable that discussion is focused on the metaphorical "treatment."

I believe he's saying we need to continue pursuing its origin, so that if it DID originate in a lab, we can attempt to get information from those who were first studying it, and perhaps gain a better understanding of its fundamental nature.  And I agree with that 100%, it would be incredibly stupid NOT to pursue that information.

 

[justhookit 4206]

59 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Was my guess (hope really) but the couple clicks I made didn’t reveal any original intent or change, and this is making its way around certain segments of social media. 

People that scored a 740 on their PSAT make up those segments.

[stone oak 639]

56 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

This is from the 26th. 

In Tennessee, a total of 9,667 people have tested positive for COVID-19, 181 people have died, 828 people have been hospitalized and 4,527 people have recovered from the virus, according to the Tennessee Department of Health.

I meant from the same delta T as the largest case jump that they've seen. Curious if it could just be increased testing that is causing more confirmed cases.

[jinx 2636]

6 minutes ago, utee94 said:

I believe he's saying we need to continue pursuing its origin, so that if it DID originate in a lab, we can attempt to get information from those who were first studying it, and perhaps gain a better understanding of its fundamental nature.  And I agree with that 100%, it would be incredibly stupid NOT to pursue that information.

 

Exactly.

[Brisketexan 106879]

12 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

Are you saying this isn't being done?  Are there instances out there with patients being turned away?  Nor are these mutually exclusive.  We can do all the above equally well.  As has been the SOP for virtually every new outbreak.  

It's a metaphor.  America has this virus.   It seems that devoting our attention and talking points to variations of "China sucks" does jack shit to help us deal with the virus that is now here and has to be managed here.  But, I mean, "China sucks" feels better, and appeals to that greatest of human desires -- to wrap ourselves comfortably in the blanket of "it's not my fault, someone else is to blame."  Personally, I think you put a pin in the post-mortem to deal with later, and devote your attention and energy to handling the acute crisis.

When the ship hits an iceberg, it's silly to spend a moment arguing about whose responsibility it was to spot and warn for icebergs -- all efforts should be focused on pumping out the water and keeping the ship afloat.  When it's all over, we'll figure out what went wrong and whose fault it was.  

[Royalfan5 2384]

So on the afternoon livestock front, cattle packing plant runs were down 5K week on week, so we are killing about 40K less a day than we need to, some of the plants that were supposed to be back today were delayed until later in the week, hogs were down about 43K from last week, and about 150K less than we need to. 

[bullzak 428]

I think at this point the number of COVID cases is not especially helpful. Of course it is increasing almost entirely because of moving from zero to 10 mph on testing. Too late. 

Hospital admissions, ICU, and death rate matter now. Those are the curves to watch. For policy I would ignore the new cases curve. Kinda pathetic that's where we are. 

Antibody testing? Now you have my attention. 

[StruggleBus 3922]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

It's a metaphor.  America has this virus.   It seems that devoting our attention and talking points to variations of "China sucks" does jack shit to help us deal with the virus that is now here and has to be managed here.  But, I mean, "China sucks" feels better, and appeals to that greatest of human desires -- to wrap ourselves comfortably in the blanket of "it's not my fault, someone else is to blame."  Personally, I think you put a pin in the post-mortem to deal with later, and devote your attention and energy to handling the acute crisis.

When the ship hits an iceberg, it's silly to spend a moment arguing about whose responsibility it was to spot and warn for icebergs -- all efforts should be focused on pumping out the water and keeping the ship afloat.  When it's all over, we'll figure out what went wrong and whose fault it was.  

You should take a knee on this one

[BabaYaga 15623]

Just now, Brisketexan said:

It's a metaphor.  America has this virus.   It seems that devoting our attention and talking points to variations of "China sucks" does jack shit to help us deal with the virus that is now here and has to be managed here.  But, I mean, "China sucks" feels better, and appeals to that greatest of human desires -- to wrap ourselves comfortably in the blanket of "it's not my fault, someone else is to blame."  Personally, I think you put a pin in the post-mortem to deal with later, and devote your attention and energy to handling the acute crisis.

When the ship hits an iceberg, it's silly to spend a moment arguing about whose responsibility it was to spot and warn for icebergs -- all efforts should be focused on pumping out the water and keeping the ship afloat.  When it's all over, we'll figure out what went wrong and whose fault it was.  

Now do college recruiting....

As stated, these are not mutually exclusive actions.  We, on the sidelines of the scientific community can wax poetic as much as we want.  Nor do we have any indication that the medical community is NOT able to multitask on mitigating the issues and both ascertaining the origins of the issue.  Again, as we have pretty much done on every prior outbreak.  There is a layer of nuance that seems lost here...

[justhookit 4206]

4 minutes ago, Royalfan5 said:

So on the afternoon livestock front, cattle packing plant runs were down 5K week on week, so we are killing about 40K less a day than we need to, some of the plants that were supposed to be back today were delayed until later in the week, hogs were down about 43K from last week, and about 150K less than we need to. 

That’s great and all but could you please include the Chinese wet market numbers in your daily briefings? Thanks.

[G650 14437]

Just now, justhookit said:

That’s great and all but could you please include the Chinese wet market numbers in your daily briefings? Thanks.

A guy named Billy Ray said I need to look into bat belly futures.

[EuroHorn 3295]

18 minutes ago, Royalfan5 said:

So on the afternoon livestock front, cattle packing plant runs were down 5K week on week, so we are killing about 40K less a day than we need to, some of the plants that were supposed to be back today were delayed until later in the week, hogs were down about 43K from last week, and about 150K less than we need to. 

How are the bat numbers looking?

[Pato del Muerto 53462]

21 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

It's a metaphor.  America has this virus.   It seems that devoting our attention and talking points to variations of "China sucks" does jack shit to help us deal with the virus that is now here and has to be managed here.  But, I mean, "China sucks" feels better, and appeals to that greatest of human desires -- to wrap ourselves comfortably in the blanket of "it's not my fault, someone else is to blame."  Personally, I think you put a pin in the post-mortem to deal with later, and devote your attention and energy to handling the acute crisis.

When the ship hits an iceberg, it's silly to spend a moment arguing about whose responsibility it was to spot and warn for icebergs -- all efforts should be focused on pumping out the water and keeping the ship afloat.  When it's all over, we'll figure out what went wrong and whose fault it was.  

What about dealing with the people that insist there was no iceberg and it’s all a ploy to cede more control to the wheelhouse?

[Brisketexan 106879]

1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

What about dealing with the people that insist there was no iceberg and it’s all a ploy to cede more control to the wheelhouse?

Well, being that this perspective is driving policy decisions in multiple states....yeah....FML.

[Royalfan5 2384]

4 minutes ago, EuroHorn said:

How are the bat numbers looking?

Haven't checked, but probably hitting record levels like everything else. 

[Lurch 5949]

[Parliament 14593]

26 minutes ago, Royalfan5 said:

So on the afternoon livestock front, cattle packing plant runs were down 5K week on week, so we are killing about 40K less a day than we need to, some of the plants that were supposed to be back today were delayed until later in the week, hogs were down about 43K from last week, and about 150K less than we need to. 

A JBS beef plant in Wisconsin and a Smithfield pork plant in Nebraska are going on shutdown.  However, it sounds like the Sioux Falls pork plant will restart this week.

[Digdogger 1345]

1 hour ago, Hpara759 said:

Small town northern border of the county called Cactus, it has a meat packing plant and yes it has blown up with the corona.

https://jbssa.com/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cactus,_Texas

Sounds like the gays are up to no good spreading disease again.  First AIDS and now corona

[clapclapclap 9000]

Quote

As scientists at the Jenner Institute prepare for mass clinical trials, new tests show their vaccine to be effective in monkeys.

Side effects are:

1.  Males start to wear dresses and

2.  Lose their ability to drive

Edited April 27, 2020 by clapclapclap

[Anastasis 23717]

6 minutes ago, Lurch said:

 

Well that's a positive development.

Heres a nice summary of the different vax initiatives: https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/04/23/a-close-look-at-the-frontrunning-coronavirus-vaccines-as-of-april-23

 

[Royalfan5 2384]

7 minutes ago, Parliament said:

A JBS beef plant in Wisconsin and a Smithfield pork plant in Nebraska are going on shutdown.  However, it sounds like the Sioux Falls pork plant will restart this week.

Smithfield hasn't shut Crete down yet, they pulled two in Illinois instead. Tyson-Dakota City is still supposed supposed to restart this week, and JBS in Grand Island is supposed have turned the corner. I'd just Tyson in Madison will go down before Smithfield in Crete does. 

[Armybrat 41393]

4 hours ago, Armybrat said:

Well, fuck the Chicoms.... the Aussies, Americans, and Europeans don’t need to buy all the cheap shit that enables those tourists to act like Ugly Americans.

Apple supposedly is already starting to move some of their operations back to the US, and I suspect a lot of other industries will follow suit.

Our homegrown manufacturing needs to be reenergized so we don’t reply on those assholes for so much of our critical needs.

Yeah, I’ll pay more for better quality US made shit.

*depend on those assholes*

[gmr548 16694]

WTF has New Zealand done? They’ve been crushing the ‘rona.

Being a small isolated island nation helps obviously. They were ahead of the curve in terms of implementing distancing, and they were pretty damn strict.

[gyroprotagonist 2597]

18 minutes ago, Royalfan5 said:

Smithfield hasn't shut Crete down yet, they pulled two in Illinois instead. Tyson-Dakota City is still supposed supposed to restart this week, and JBS in Grand Island is supposed have turned the corner. I'd just Tyson in Madison will go down before Smithfield in Crete does. 

No idea how processing plants are laid out and staffed, but I image they are not spacing people out 6' from one another.  I have seen other assembly lines (different industry) space the employees out 6'  and this will cut throughput, but keep the employees somewhat safer and I have not seen the drastic levels of infection.

[smuggs 9397]

18 minutes ago, Royalfan5 said:

Smithfield hasn't shut Crete down yet, they pulled two in Illinois instead. Tyson-Dakota City is still supposed supposed to restart this week, and JBS in Grand Island is supposed have turned the corner. I'd just Tyson in Madison will go down before Smithfield in Crete does. 

Those fucking Cretans have controlled the pork markets since 2700 BC.

[BabaYaga 15623]

26 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Well that's a positive development.

Heres a nice summary of the different vax initiatives: https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/04/23/a-close-look-at-the-frontrunning-coronavirus-vaccines-as-of-april-23

 

Well, we all know 6 monkeys is better than 12.....

[Royalfan5 2384]

4 minutes ago, gyroprotagonist said:

No idea how processing plants are laid out and staffed, but I image they are not spacing people out 6' from one another.  I have seen other assembly lines (different industry) space the employees out 6'  and this will cut throughput, but keep the employees somewhat safer and I have not seen the drastic levels of infection.

They're pretty well shoulder to shoulder. Not really another way to do it.

[ChiTownDoc 21345]

5 hours ago, BabaYaga said:

Not to derail, but here goes....

This shit scares the hell out me.  These prions can live in the ground for a decade or more, and withstand temps into the hundreds if not thousands of degrees.  Now we are seeing CWD across the country (Chronic Wasting Disease) in deer populations.  It's 100% fatal and spread from the saliva of infected animals.  This shit jumps to people....it's truly game over.  

God help us if Greenspoint sees this post. 

[kevwun 16437]

9 minutes ago, Royalfan5 said:

They're pretty well shoulder to shoulder. Not really another way to do it.

and they are cold and wet.  They are the perfect environment for the virus to spread in.

Edited April 27, 2020 by kevwun

[Royalfan5 2384]

Just now, kevwun said:

and the environment is cold and wet.  They are the perfect environment for the virus to spread in.

and the environment can't be changed to hot and dry. 

[Storm the Field 5366]

Abbott press conference on now. Looks like they're considering us to have already passed "Phase 1" re-opening guidelines. "Phase 2"starts today.

Edit: That was a different chart. Phase 1 of re-opening starts Friday. Phase 2 on May 18 if data stays steady.

Edited April 27, 2020 by Storm the Field

[BabaYaga 15623]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said:

Preventing people from wet markets changes our entire relationship with the natural world?  

Shrinking from 7B to 5B people would have disastrous consequences. Remember what your grandparents told you about the Great Depression, and then multiply by some unquantified magnitude of at least 2x. 

[Pato del Muerto 53462]

28 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Being a small isolated island nation helps obviously. They were ahead of the curve in terms of implementing distancing, and they were pretty damn strict.

But they are covered in Chinese workers

[Johnny Sack 8397]

5 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Yep, I had seen overall numbers way down but if there's a lot less trains running and less capacity, what you have passenger wise will end up more concentrated so...that drop off won't really show when it comes to spread slowing down.  We need accurate antibody testing.  And a lot more of it.  Also tracing as well...all this should lead to us opening up faster/safer and who doesn't want that?

Can they just not shut them down and walk, Uber, bike to work?  

[Pato del Muerto 53462]

45 minutes ago, Royalfan5 said:

Smithfield hasn't shut Crete down yet, they pulled two in Illinois instead. Tyson-Dakota City is still supposed supposed to restart this week, and JBS in Grand Island is supposed have turned the corner. I'd just Tyson in Madison will go down before Smithfield in Crete does. 

 

22 minutes ago, gyroprotagonist said:

No idea how processing plants are laid out and staffed, but I image they are not spacing people out 6' from one another.  I have seen other assembly lines (different industry) space the employees out 6'  and this will cut throughput, but keep the employees somewhat safer and I have not seen the drastic levels of infection.

Yeah I bet it’s a real labyrinth 

[drt 645]

19 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said:

That’s a shame. It just confirms what we already knew. We have stupid people in this country, but fortunately none of them will ever be in leadership positions, ever.

It doesn’t change the disgust we should feel toward China, which most smart people would differentiate from Asian Americans or even recent Asian immigrants. 

[Bruno Sardine 147]

10 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

 

Yeah I bet it’s a real labyrinth 

That's why the plants offer mini-tours. 

[dcar00 14948]

per CDC as of 4/26  47.8K deaths and 956K cases

[0xdeadbeef 1699]

14 minutes ago, Storm the Field said:

Phase 1 of re-opening starts Friday. Phase 2 on May 18 if data stays steady.

Most Retail allowed to re-open at 25% capacity in Phase 1 - If CV19 stays contained the Phase 2 re-opens more.

Counties below some threshold allow to open at 50% capacity.

Some things not allowed to re-open at this time: gyms, barbershops, hair cutting. 
 

With only 66 people currently hospitalized at this time in the 5-county Austin MSA, this seems reasonable.

 

[Enchubben 5600]

1 minute ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

Most Retail allowed to re-open at 25% capacity in Phase 1 - If CV19 stays contained the Phase 2 re-opens more.

Counties below some threshold allow to open at 50% capacity.

Some things not allowed to re-open at this time: gyms, barbershops, hair cutting. 
 

With only 66 people currently hospitalized at this time in the 5-county Austin MSA, this seems reasonable.

 

ballgame.

[Cheeseweasel 26439]

2 hours ago, DaysOff said:

I'd rather go with the blood type angle. #teamOpositive

We are going to win this race.

[bigup2dahorns 3348]

[Hmmm 155]

1 hour ago, Brisketexan said:

It's a metaphor.  America has this virus.   It seems that devoting our attention and talking points to variations of "China sucks" does jack shit to help us deal with the virus that is now here and has to be managed here.  But, I mean, "China sucks" feels better, and appeals to that greatest of human desires -- to wrap ourselves comfortably in the blanket of "it's not my fault, someone else is to blame."  Personally, I think you put a pin in the post-mortem to deal with later, and devote your attention and energy to handling the acute crisis.

When the ship hits an iceberg, it's silly to spend a moment arguing about whose responsibility it was to spot and warn for icebergs -- all efforts should be focused on pumping out the water and keeping the ship afloat.  When it's all over, we'll figure out what went wrong and whose fault it was.  

smh at these posts.  we can have multiple discussions at the same time.  and if my ship hits an iceberg, you damn well better be sure I want to know where that iceberg is so i don't hit it again.

[BabaYaga 15623]

4 minutes ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

Some things not allowed to re-open at this time: gyms, barbershops, hair cutting. 

When the full restriction lifts....

 

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

32 minutes ago, Dr. Beeper said:

That’s a shame. It just confirms what we already knew. We have stupid people in this country, but fortunately none of them will ever be in leadership positions, ever.

[LebongJames 1921]

I think the Abbott guidelines are the right move. I talked about lower capacities weeks ago. The two week trial is also what should have been done.

[LebongJames 1921]

Also how are restaurants going to feel at 25% capacity? Are you going to be allowed to sit at the bar?

[InkaUtexas 26860]

8 minutes ago, 0xdeadbeef said:

Most Retail allowed to re-open at 25% capacity in Phase 1 - If CV19 stays contained the Phase 2 re-opens more.

Counties below some threshold allow to open at 50% capacity.

Some things not allowed to re-open at this time: gyms, barbershops, hair cutting. 
 

With only 66 people currently hospitalized at this time in the 5-county Austin MSA, this seems reasonable.

 

Any idea what the threshold is? 

[BabaYaga 15623]

Just now, LebongJames said:

Also how are restaurants going to feel at 25% capacity? Are you going to be allowed to sit at the bar?

Better be, as that's where the margins are.  Guessing so, as occupancy is not specific to certain parts of the establishment.