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  On 4/27/2020 at 7:59 PM, Hmmm said:

smh at these posts.  we can have multiple discussions at the same time.  and if my ship hits an iceberg, you damn well better be sure I want to know where that iceberg is so i don't hit it again.

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yeah well fuck china with just the tip.

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  On 4/27/2020 at 8:03 PM, LebongJames said:

Also how are restaurants going to feel at 25% capacity? Are you going to be allowed to sit at the bar?

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Theyre gonna feel great. I know for a fact that my fam will be on a patio somewhere at about 5:01 Friday afternoon.

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  On 4/27/2020 at 8:01 PM, LebongJames said:

I think the Abbott guidelines are the right move. I talked about lower capacities weeks ago. The two week trial is also what should have been done.

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I like that the delay is 17 days rather than a flat two weeks.   The few extra day lag time should account for some overlap of case monitoring.  

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  On 4/27/2020 at 6:42 PM, Lurch said:

 

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Hopeful, but IIRC correctly history is littered with vaccine attempts that didn't translate from primates to people. Ebola was one of them I think. 

That said, it seems probable they are closing in. Just continue to be stunned and amazed at medical science. You have a lot of the brightest people on the planet going balls to the wall to make it happen. Restores your faith in humanity. 

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  On 4/27/2020 at 1:08 PM, South Austin said:

Interesting. Yesterday morning my HEB was all out of HEB/Central Market-brand whole chickens.  They just had a few of the shitty Pilgrim’s chickens. Never seen that before.

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Weekends are busy?   We got plenty of chicken at our curbside on Saturday.  Not whole chicken though.   

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  On 4/27/2020 at 2:36 PM, Armybrat said:

Apple supposedly is already starting to move some of their operations back to the US, and I suspect a lot of other industries will follow suit.

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Doubt they are moving much back here, and if they did, it’d be robots making it anyways.   

  5 hours ago, Armybrat said:

Our homegrown manufacturing needs to be reenergized so we don’t reply on those assholes for so much of our critical needs.

Yeah, I’ll pay more for better quality US made shit.

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I agree, but you and I are not settled with a shitload of credit card debt and living paycheck-to-paycheck like many are.  

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  On 4/27/2020 at 2:31 PM, Enchubben said:

Don't forget the oiled up cotton ball in your butt!

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That guy appears to be still alive, although Wikipedia was not kind to him.

He became a butt of jokes in Iran in March 2020, after he suggested applying violet oil to the anus as a cure for COVID-19.

I was certain he would be dead by now.   Hell, maybe he is.  

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  On 4/27/2020 at 7:31 PM, Dr. Beeper said:

Preventing people from wet markets changes our entire relationship with the natural world?  

Shrinking from 7B to 5B people would have disastrous consequences. Remember what your grandparents told you about the Great Depression, and then multiply by some unquantified magnitude of at least 2x. 

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whoosh

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Is there a legal distinction that classifies an establishment as a bar and not as a restaurant? Most bars at least sell chips or nuts. How much snack food has to be on hand for a bar to consider itself a restaurant and be able to open on May 1?

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Johns Hopkins Daily Update: 

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I think once we get better antibody testing, immunity passports are a good idea.  Even if it's just a practice run this time, we will need the system for the future.  

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  On 4/27/2020 at 8:34 PM, atomheartbevo said:

That guy appears to be still alive, although Wikipedia was not kind to him.

He became a butt of jokes in Iran in March 2020, after he suggested applying violet oil to the anus as a cure for COVID-19.

I was certain he would be dead by now.   Hell, maybe he is.  

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He posts here as Junior Miller.

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I'm not saying the feedlots are going to cause mad cow.  I'm saying that those animals end up in trucks going allover the place driven by drivers who might/could be exposed to COVID and end up in Kalamazoo, Peoria and Springfield.  All the Springfields.  And then were in a bad place.

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  On 4/27/2020 at 8:40 PM, ChiTownDoc said:

Johns Hopkins Daily Update: 

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I think once we get better antibody testing, immunity passports are a good idea.  Even if it's just a practice run this time, we will need the system for the future.  

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And that has economic value, and is sometimes called "immunocapital". I keep posting this and eventually somebody is going to read it. Could be you. 

Immunity, Capital, and Power

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  On 4/27/2020 at 8:45 PM, Bozo_Casanova said:

And that has economic value, and is sometimes called "immunocapital". I keep posting this and eventually somebody is going to read it. Could be you. 

Immunity, Capital, and Power

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I'm a fan...this was an interesting passage...later on they talk about how people actively tried to get sick so they'd get that immunocapital...

 

Through an invisible yet powerful system of “immunocapital,” surviving yellow fever stamped a newcomer as legitimate and provided him or her with a credential that granted access to previously inaccessible realms of social, political, and economic power. According to the tenets of white supremacy, all whites were placed above all blacks. But this structural racism commingled with the hierarchy of “immunocapital,” whereby “acclimated citizens”—yellow fever survivors—occupied all positions of power, and “unacclimated strangers”—poor white recent immigrants from the North or Europe—languished in social and professional purgatory, ostracized on the basis of epidemiology.

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  On 4/27/2020 at 8:40 PM, wild_turkey said:

Is there a legal distinction that classifies an establishment as a bar and not as a restaurant? Most bars at least sell chips or nuts. How much snack food has to be on hand for a bar to consider itself a restaurant and be able to open on May 1?

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I don’t remember the percentage but a restaurant vs bar is based off of percentage of sales of food. 

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  On 4/27/2020 at 8:40 PM, wild_turkey said:

Is there a legal distinction that classifies an establishment as a bar and not as a restaurant? Most bars at least sell chips or nuts. How much snack food has to be on hand for a bar to consider itself a restaurant and be able to open on May 1?

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If sales of alcohol exceed 49% of your business you’re a bar.  

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  On 4/27/2020 at 8:01 PM, LebongJames said:

I think the Abbott guidelines are the right move. I talked about lower capacities weeks ago. The two week trial is also what should have been done.

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did you not hear Gov Abbott say he had heard the prescient recommendations of the esteemed Lebong James from SurlyBevo,Horns and decided to go with them?   

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  On 4/27/2020 at 8:40 PM, wild_turkey said:

Is there a legal distinction that classifies an establishment as a bar and not as a restaurant? Most bars at least sell chips or nuts. How much snack food has to be on hand for a bar to consider itself a restaurant and be able to open on May 1?

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At least 51% of gross income must be from prepared food, I think. 

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  On 4/27/2020 at 8:53 PM, Chet Steadman said:

If sales of alcohol exceed 49% of your business you’re a bar.  

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I imagine that even bars will be able to open if they have an established food service menu.    That’s the weird area.  The last round allowed those establishments to serve takeout and delivery, so I’d imagine they’ll be able to open Friday as well 

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I am extremely jazzed to learn today that we will NEVER have stupid people in leadership positions in this country!  What a lucky break!

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  On 4/27/2020 at 8:50 PM, ChiTownDoc said:

I'm a fan...this was an interesting passage...later on they talk about how people actively tried to get sick so they'd get that immunocapital...

 

Through an invisible yet powerful system of “immunocapital,” surviving yellow fever stamped a newcomer as legitimate and provided him or her with a credential that granted access to previously inaccessible realms of social, political, and economic power. According to the tenets of white supremacy, all whites were placed above all blacks. But this structural racism commingled with the hierarchy of “immunocapital,” whereby “acclimated citizens”—yellow fever survivors—occupied all positions of power, and “unacclimated strangers”—poor white recent immigrants from the North or Europe—languished in social and professional purgatory, ostracized on the basis of epidemiology.

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Yep, immunocapital is extremely problematic. In some cases a doctors certificate of having recovered from an infection was required to obtain lines of credit from banks, and as a result people would inadvertently kickstart outbreaks by deliberately exposing themselves to disease and then subsequently infect others. 

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  On 4/27/2020 at 9:01 PM, GreenspointTexas said:

If you are applauding being the first state to re-open when almost every public health official is warning against it... well.... 

 

hope u like football/sports starting in january

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Not the first state to open but nice try with the sky is falling shit still. Also not every public health official is saying that. Not even close. 

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/states-reopen-map-coronavirus.html

 

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  On 4/27/2020 at 9:01 PM, GreenspointTexas said:

If you are applauding being the first state to re-open when almost every public health official is warning against it... well.... 

 

hope u like football/sports starting in january

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which public health officials have warned against it? According to the press conference Dr. Birx has seen the plan and called it "great". 

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  On 4/27/2020 at 9:12 PM, wild_turkey said:

The goal of stay-at-home orders was to flatten the curve and prevent the hospitals from being overrun, which we have definitely achieved in Texas. It makes sense to slowly reopen businesses and keep a close watch on testing numbers and hospital capacity. If it goes well, then roll out phase 2. If it doesn't go well, then we pull back again.

The people arguing against this now seem to have shifted the goal of stay-at-home orders to something other than protecting the healthcare system. I'm not sure what they think a rational endpoint is. Eradication of COVID-19 or vaccine availability? Neither is likely to occur within a year.

No one is forcing a business to reopen or for people to go out to restaurants. People still have the option to stay home and lots of people will.

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100% this.  The point was never catch it or keep others from catching, but to protect the HC system.  Staying home with layers and layers of more draconian measures to keep people from "escaping" is lunacy of the highest order, especially with the data we have now.  As stated earlier, Sweden is getting close to herd immunity status having done none of the heavy-handed measures that destroyed so many businesses and wealth across the world.  

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Posted
  On 4/27/2020 at 9:12 PM, wild_turkey said:

The goal of stay-at-home orders was to flatten the curve and prevent the hospitals from being overrun, which we have definitely achieved in Texas. It makes sense to slowly reopen businesses and keep a close watch on testing numbers and hospital capacity. If it goes well, then roll out phase 2. If it doesn't go well, then we pull back again.

The people arguing against this now seem to have shifted the goal of stay-at-home orders to something other than protecting the healthcare system. I'm not sure what they think a rational endpoint is. Eradication of COVID-19 or vaccine availability? Neither is likely to occur within a year.

No one is forcing a business to reopen or for people to go out to restaurants. People still have the option to stay home and lots of people will.

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Yep, slowly opening while continuing to ramp up testing is fine.  And yes, the main purpose of stay at home was to maintain hospital capacity.  Not to wait for the virus to actually go away...everyone knew it would still be there when we slowly open back up.  Well, everyone with a brain. 

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Posted
  On 4/27/2020 at 8:31 PM, atomheartbevo said:

Doubt they are moving much back here, and if they did, it’d be robots making it anyways.   

I agree, but you and I are not settled with a shitload of credit card debt and living paycheck-to-paycheck like many are.  

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Meh, they can just fire up their printer like the Fed does. 

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Yep, the fear and possibility of overwhelming our hospitals has the potential to put hospitals on the verge of bankruptcy, along with much of the rest of American business.  I think reducing our hospital capacity by half due to bankruptcy is an even shittier plan than turning this fucker to 11 right now, which we clearly are not doing.   

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