Formerly DT: COVID-19 - Featuring Lots of Politics, now CR because political talk not going away

[Iceman 2640]

15 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Yep - there’s a trade off and some are already willing to make that trade and others aren’t there yet.  100 years from now with what we know about how virus’s spread your rights to that type of privacy will be toast.  Agree the country isn’t ready now - let’s see how much pain like this we get before people agree to give up some privacy for the greater good.  There’s books full of laws that are no longer around.  
If you have a fever of 103 degrees and still want to fly you’ll be tracked and likely prevented from traveling.  Your privacy rights, as defined today, will be violated.  

Public travel =/= privacy concerns

Start with subways and mass transit...  see how that goes.

Edited May 12, 2020 by Iceman

[ChiTownDoc 21102]

5 minutes ago, Iceman said:

Public travel =/= privacy concerns

Start with subways and mass transit...  see how that goes.

Not sure you're being obtuse on purpose or what?  Here, let me help.  When you're found on public transit to be traveling around with a fever - the next logical step is to track who else you have been next to by seeing where you have been.  If we want to be effective and do this real time, your cell data is tracked and matched with others cell data and you get giant maps of exposure etc.  That 100% violates today's laws.  So you can work in your vacuum with 'public travel =/= privacy concerns' or you can have a real debate with me on what's really going to be needed and who is and isn't ready for that. 

Guess what - I see the major problems too.  If big brother catches someone in a crime using that type of info - and you can bet your ass on it that will happen - should that information be used against the perp?  Most of us would agree, no.  But what about the other info they get from the tracking - and attribute to other types of detective work, leading to the info which subsequently convicts someone?  That's not an easy topic to tackle.  I don't think it's fair - but I think that's where shit will end up.  Individual rights will be given up for the herd - that's really against all kinds of things this country was founded upon...

[Iceman 2640]

Fuck the heerd.

I missed where freedom from risk was written into our Constitution.

 

Now, in 8 weeks or so, some folks believe it is the law by which we're governed.

 

Good luck with the tracing bullshit.

[Eskimohorn 5615]

I don't disagree with anything you posted.  I already said this was the correct thing to do at this point in time.
I only wanted to point out that the death count in 5 years when the scientists start doing attribution studies is primed to go down.  Deaths normally do go down for almost everything, from lung cancer to drug overdose.
To some extent this is a problem baked-in and not specific to covid.  Because being listed on the death certified as a cause and actually being the thing that kills you are different things and it takes a view wider than the than at the coroner-level and longer than a few months in to figure that out.
I made the mistake of posting a list of higher-level concepts in the middle of a spat over medicare scams.  It wasn't supposed to be related.

Overall mortality is primed to increase or be unpredictable within 5 years. The one-off near deaths is just one variable. Others include increase in poverty, deterioration of supply chain and access to necessities, and mental health deterioration.

In the short-term, the US is seeing spike in OVERALL mortality beginning in March. Some will say its COVID and that the deaths are being massively underreported. Others will look to things like poverty or aversion to hospitals. I tend to think the spike is 90% COVID.

I will say this: The longer we have a public health crisis like COVID, the less COVID will be directly responsible in the increase of deaths.

[Dahobbs 17447]

4 minutes ago, Iceman said:

Fuck the heerd.

I missed where freedom from risk was written into our Constitution.

 

Now, in 8 weeks or so, some folks believe it is the law by which we're governed.

 

Good luck with the tracing bullshit.

What? 

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

I've been led to believe that once you stick your dick into the Heard you go crazy.

[DDD Dad 14252]

Fuck the heerd.
I missed where freedom from risk was written into our Constitution.
 
Now, in 8 weeks or so, some folks believe it is the law by which we're governed.
 
Good luck with the tracing bullshit.

Slorch’d!

[jinx 2635]

3 hours ago, Enchubben said:

It would not surprise me in the least if more people end up dying from Corona lockdown and restrictions than having the actual virus over the next year or two.  Gotta figure that alcohol and drug abuse are worse than ever, combined with depression and other mental illness from isolation is really going to take a toll.  Not to say the restrictions weren't necessary, but that this was always going to be a result attributable to the response.

I used to do alcohol and drugs.  I still do, but I used to too. - Mitch Hedberg

[bigup2dahorns 3343]

Austin flight route on the link also

 

 

 

[JBJ 3649]

24 minutes ago, Eskimohorn said:

In the short-term, the US is seeing spike in OVERALL mortality beginning in March. Some will say its COVID and that the deaths are being massively underreported. Others will look to things like poverty or aversion to hospitals. I tend to think the spike is 90% COVID.

I think thats exactly what we are seeing being reported, though.

This is from NCHS data:

Up until 3/21 there's no excess deaths, few hundred C19 deaths.

3/22-28: 2,793 C19 - 2,800 excessive

3/29-4/4: 8,537 C19 - 10,602 excessive

4/5-11: 13,496 C19 - 15,592 excessive

--- cutoff of what's mostly processed by NCHS ---

4/12-18: 13,077 C19 - 11,890 excessive

4/19-25: 8,872 C19 - 540 excessive

4/26-5/2: 3,277 C19 - 0 excessive

5/3-9: 846 C19 - 0 excessive

 

I don't know why anyone would look at that and think there's a massive under or over reporting.

Edited May 12, 2020 by JBJ

[SHOOTER12 8789]

On 5/10/2020 at 1:58 PM, XYZ said:

Well, that sucks. A blood test a while back showed that I had low vitamin D, so I started taking 2000 units/day. Maybe I should stop that and start spending a few minutes under the sun every day.

I tested low for vitamin D a couple years back and my doctor started me on D3.  What I don't understand is this, I work outside in the sun for an average of 12 hours per day.  How in the world can I test low on vitamin D?

[Guest Lobo]

11 minutes ago, JBJ said:

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I don't know why anyone would look at that and think there's a massive under or over reporting.

For the same reason not spraying your saliva on other people in public is now seen as a sign of cowardice.  I thought not spraying your germs (Common cold, flu, allergies, et. al.) on other people was a sign of manners in Texas, but here we are

Edited May 12, 2020 by Lobo

[Pato del Muerto 52342]

35 minutes ago, Iceman said:

Fuck the heerd.

I missed where freedom from risk was written into our Constitution.

 

Now, in 8 weeks or so, some folks believe it is the law by which we're governed.

 

Good luck with the tracing bullshit.

There’s the whole “provide for the common defense, protect the general welfare” part of the first sentence of the document.  Both seem relevant. 

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

1 hour ago, ChiTownDoc said:

let’s see how much pain like this we get before people agree to give up some privacy for the greater good.

[workswithseed 2037]

5 minutes ago, Pato del Muerto said:

There’s the whole “provide for the common defense, protect the general welfare” part of the first sentence of the document.  Both seem relevant. 

That seems too general. I guess we shouldn't be mad that the Japanese were cramped in small camps.

[atomheartbevo 89449]

37 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

I've been led to believe that once you stick your dick into the Heard you go crazy.

[Pato del Muerto 52342]

5 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

That seems too general. I guess we shouldn't be mad that the Japanese were cramped in small camps.

Well it also is a federal document, and the feds aren’t the ones implementing the mask and other measures, are they?  

[workswithseed 2037]

1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Well it also is a federal document, and the feds aren’t the ones implementing the mask and other measures, are they?  

Goal post moved. 

Also public transportation is what's being talked about, not what business is doing.

[Pato del Muerto 52342]

3 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

Goal post moved. 

Also public transportation is what's being talked about, not what business is doing.

Ok show me then where it is enumerated what federal, state, county, and city municipalities can and cannot do during a pandemic, if it’s so simple. 

[workswithseed 2037]

1 minute ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Ok show me then where it is enumerated what federal, state, county, and city municipalities can and cannot do during a pandemic, if it’s so simple. 

Apparently anything if it's in the good of public safety. 

 

[stork642 4498]

4 hours ago, Lobo said:

Lots of smart people, including someone from UT's M.D. Anderson, are speaking right now about how to combat this pandemic.  

But you know...fake news and all.  

No, fake news is when someone takes a snippet of actual information and then twists it to meet their preferred narrative.  You “slyly” imply that there is no fake news or I guess anyone saying fake news is just damn stupid.  If you really believe that well all I can say is bless your heart.  

[SHOOTER12 8789]

On 5/11/2020 at 11:28 AM, atomheartbevo said:

In case you missed this thread

If you own a bar or restaurant in District 6 she would probably love to talk about the impact of the virus with you.

 

He's going to catch lumpocovid from her fivehead.  So much for social distancing

[TonyTexas 10482]

SIAP

 

[BabaYaga 15212]

And he's Canadian

Huge Kevin James fan. Love it.

[BabaYaga 15212]

3 minutes ago, TonyTexas said:

SIAP

 

And they just asked the Federal Govt for a ONE TRILLION dollar bailout (State of CA).  

[Foosters 17733]

Just now, BabaYaga said:

And they just asked the Federal Govt for a ONE TRILLION dollar bailout (State of CA).  

No, that was the Western State Alliance composed of 5 western states.

Also, this is LA County health director. "They" didnt ask for anything.

Edited May 12, 2020 by Foosters

[Don Johnson 4745]

5 minutes ago, TonyTexas said:

SIAP

 

Holy shit

[GHOSTUSER 361]

4 minutes ago, TonyTexas said:

SIAP

 

LOL, good luck trying to enforce that through August. Look at the current job losses and imagine how bad it will be in August with stay at home still in place. You'll see people ignore these orders en masse.

[Guest Lobo]

10 minutes ago, stork642 said:

No, fake news is when someone takes a snippet of actual information and then twists it to meet their preferred narrative.  You “slyly” imply that there is no fake news or I guess anyone saying fake news is just damn stupid.  If you really believe that well all I can say is bless your heart.  

A virologist from maybe the respected health institution in our state.  there is no twist to fit preferred narratives.  In this case, they are giving testimony under oath to U.S. Senators about anti-Covid efforts.  It's bad, and it's getting worse.  That's not a narrative.  That's maths that turn into dead bodies.  If I'm stupid for believing them, god only knows what level you're on.

[Foosters 17733]

Just now, Iconoclast Texan said:

LOL, good luck trying to enforce that through August. Look at the current job losses and imagine how bad it will be in August with stay at home still in place. You'll see people ignore these orders en masse.

Maybe. LA accounts for about half of COVID deaths and cases in CA. People here are taking it pretty seriously.

[ChickenSandwich 9798]

3 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

And they just asked the Federal Govt for a ONE TRILLION dollar bailout (State of CA).  

[BabaYaga 15212]

2 minutes ago, Foosters said:

No, that was the Western State Alliance composed of 5 western states.

Also, this is LA County health director. "They" didnt ask for anything.

Guessing the irony of extending a lock down for 90 more days in the face of needing a trillion dollars to cover economic losses caused by the lock down is lost on you?

[Js1 85110]

4 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

And they just asked the Federal Govt for a ONE TRILLION dollar bailout (State of CA).  

You seem very.... agenda-driven. With wrong facts. About a lot of this. 

[BabaYaga 15212]

2 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Maybe. LA accounts for about half of COVID deaths and cases in CA. People here are taking it pretty seriously.

How is LA maintaining any semblance of distancing of risk mitigation with the virus and rampant homelessness in LA?  

[Foosters 17733]

1 minute ago, BabaYaga said:

Guessing the irony of extending a lock down for 90 more days in the face of needing a trillion dollars to cover economic losses caused by the lock down is lost on you?

Guess so man.

I was simply pointing out that you were spreading misinformation. Maybe it was an accident.

Edited May 12, 2020 by Foosters

[TonyTexas 10482]

Nm 

Edited May 12, 2020 by TonyTexas

[Foosters 17733]

1 minute ago, Js1 said:

You seem very.... agenda-driven. With wrong facts. About a lot of this. 

He also is one of those who bitches about CR and has made this board his special place to bitch about Lib politicians and socialism, so whatever.

[Js1 85110]

Just now, Foosters said:

He also is one of those who bitches about CR and has made this board his special place to bitch about Lib politicians and socialism, so whatever.

His facts are not “accidentally” wrong 

[Foosters 17733]

1 minute ago, BabaYaga said:

How is LA maintaining any semblance of distancing of risk mitigation with the virus and rampant homelessness in LA?  

Is this a serious question? What percentage of LA county's population do you believe is homeless? My math puts it at less than 1%  Does being unable to effectively maintain social distancing among a small percentage of the population render the entire efforts pointless?

 

 

[BabaYaga 15212]

Just now, Foosters said:

He also is one of those who bitches about CR and has made this board his special place to bitch about Lib politicians and socialism, so whatever.

Noting left or right about calling out the delicious irony of extending a lock down 90 more days while simultaneously asking for a trillion dollar handout.  Had Dallas or anywhere else, they'd get laughed at the same.  90 more days is insane,m especially the amount of cases.  

[Foosters 17733]

Just now, BabaYaga said:

Noting left or right about calling out the delicious irony of extending a lock down 90 more days while simultaneously asking for a trillion dollar handout.  Had Dallas or anywhere else, they'd get laughed at the same.  90 more days is insane,m especially the amount of cases.  

Show me where LA County has asked for 1 trillion

FIVE (5) States asked for 1 trillion. Those are 5 of the 50.  5 states. Not one. Not one county. Not one city. 5 STATES. Meanwhile, the health director of ONE COUNTY in those 50 states (a county hit especially hard with about half of CA's dead and diagnosed) is recommending extending lockdowns.

Why do you continue to lie? 

Edited May 12, 2020 by Foosters

[dcar00 14035]

23 minutes ago, stork642 said:

No, fake news is when someone takes a snippet of actual information and then twists it to meet their preferred narrative.  You “slyly” imply that there is no fake news or I guess anyone saying fake news is just damn stupid.  If you really believe that well all I can say is bless your heart.  

This...but found this interesting as well

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/M-D-Anderson-scientist-accused-of-falsifying-6865704.php

 

[BabaYaga 15212]

Just now, Foosters said:

Show me where LA County has asked for 1 trillion.

Never said they did.  

[dcar00 14035]

14 minutes ago, BabaYaga said:

And they just asked the Federal Govt for a ONE TRILLION dollar bailout (State of CA).  

whats 1trillion divided by 3000?

[BabaYaga 15212]

Just now, dcar00 said:

whats 1trillion divided by 3000?

Eleventy billion....

[BabaYaga 15212]

3 minutes ago, Foosters said:

Why do you continue to lie? 

Why do you continue to miss the irony?

[Foosters 17733]

1 minute ago, BabaYaga said:

Never said they did.  

Um, what?

Someone posted a tweet that said "LA COUNTY TO EXTEND LOCK DOWN"

You responded with:

Quote

And they just asked the Federal Govt for a ONE TRILLION dollar bailout (State of CA).

How are we supposed to read that? By '"they" you were referring to the Western State Alliance of 5 states?

Can't read your mind dude.

[Foosters 17733]

1 minute ago, BabaYaga said:

Why do you continue to miss the irony?

because there's none to be missed?

[dcar00 14035]

corrected

1 trillion divided by 5300

[BabaYaga 15212]

1 minute ago, Foosters said:

Um, what?

Someone posted a tweet that said "LA COUNTY TO EXTEND LOCK DOWN"

You responded with:

How are we supposed to read that? By '"they" you were referring to the Western State Alliance of 5 states?

Can't read your mind dude.

Back to the question:  COVID.  Rampant homelessness in LA.  How are they mitigating this?  There were indication other illnesses pre-COVID were making their rounds through the tent cities, etc.  Now this?  How are they managing this?  Shelters have to be ground zero for infections.