Formerly DT: COVID-19 - Featuring Lots of Politics, now CR because political talk not going away

[shadetree 66]

Agreed. But also, younger victims are more attractive plaintiffs. Economic damages (lost earnings) can add up to make the case worthwhile.

These types of infection cases are difficult to prove for a plaintiff. They will need to show the worker was infected at work (rather than somewhere else such as grocery store) and that had the facility acted as a reasonably prudent faculty, the infection would not have occurred. There are significant challenges with that. With the number of healthcare providers getting COVID, there will be challenges to that part as well. You also have a high number of facilities that had (or still have) issues obtaining and supplying PPE over the last few months. With the surge of cases, the facilities could not just send the patients away if they didn’t have PPE for staff. So, what can a reasonable facility do? The changing CDC guidelines on PPE (and other guides de) will also play a role in these cases.
Also, the decedent apparently was an employee, so you may have employer liability immunity via work comp. in that case, the family will need to show gross negligence, which is an even higher standard.

There will be a wave of these lawsuits, but they will be difficult to win. I know several plaintiff med mal attorneys in Texas that don’t think the cases are worth it given caps and difficulties noted above in proving up the case.

[Nicole44 22027]

This just gets shittier reading the post above. Yes, I escaped again from the football forum. Holy shit!
 And the true crime Arbery killing stuff. Wish I could imbed one clip. Favorite episode/favorite part (save one) of NCIS where Mike Franks said “situation assessed.” It was from Judgement Day (part one). 
Not able to do. 

[stone oak 639]

8 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

[Wulaw Horn 18980]

6 hours ago, Macanudo said:

Did somebody seriously just admit to having an affair with another married person up thread?

No. He was quoting another poster and saying he fucked his wife. It was a joke 

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19093]

Not a study but I thought this was interesting and hopefully relevant:

https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them

 

It's anecdotal, and why there should be a detailed study. There is still a lot we don't know, and we need better information.

 

[Murfdogg21 4412]

10 hours ago, GRHorn said:

preach. 

LOL Portnoy just won Roger Goodell’s fanatics silent auction prize to watch a MNF game with Goodell in his basement. I hope he live-streams the whole thing and asks about every bullshit thing the NFL has done in the past 15 years. 

Edited May 14, 2020 by Murfdogg21

[Murfdogg21 4412]

covaids

Edited May 14, 2020 by Murfdogg21

[Guest Lobo]

Makes perfect sense that idiot somehow has a following these days.  Time was a guy like that was just the annoying guy at the bar.  

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 hour ago, Wulaw Horn said:

No. He was quoting another poster and saying he fucked his wife. It was a joke 

Typical Surly humor, and a major reason I keep coming back

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

Why does anyone have an issue with Hugo posting the stats on deaths ?  I know what he's doing, but the info is the info.

[South Austin 52144]

1 hour ago, Wulaw Horn said:

No. He was quoting another poster and saying he fucked his wife. It was a joke 

But I haven't ruled out that he's banging my girlfriend.

[DigglerontheHoof 21061]

3 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Why does anyone have an issue with Hugo posting the stats on deaths ?  I know what he's doing, but the info is the info.

Inconvenient truths irritate many on this thread. 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

Just now, DigglerontheHoof said:

Inconvenient truths irritate many on this thread. 

I think it's more just Hugo then the actual info.

[DigglerontheHoof 21061]

Just now, Onboard 2.0 said:

I think it's more just Hugo then the actual info.

I'm sure that's a big factor, as well. 

[Guest Lobo]

8 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Why does anyone have an issue with Hugo posting the stats on deaths ?  I know what he's doing, but the info is the info.

Because it makes some of us wonder what could have been had we had our shit together earlier this year.  #1 in testing now isn't as sweet as we are going to be, by far, #1 in deaths.  It's like our Athletic Department.  Sure being #1 in swimming and tennis is fucking awesome.  But we've sucked for a decade in football, baseball, and basketball (a few bright spots notwithstanding).  

Edited May 14, 2020 by Lobo

[utee94 15745]

10 hours ago, Bruno Sardine said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/children-may-not-be-super-spreaders-afterall-new-research-suggests-1.5552099

From the article: What Australian researchers are calling the first survey on children and the spread of COVID-19 in the classroom is turning heads in Canada..."Contrary to what we thought, in relation to influenza — that [children] become very large transmitters of the disease in the population — this does not necessarily seem to be the case," said Quebec's chief medical officer, Dr. Horacio Arruda, at a news conference last week..."It really demonstrates there's very little transmission from student to teacher and vice-versa, which is really reassuring," said Freedman [scientist at the University of Calgary and a member of the Alberta Children's Hospital Research Institute].

Thanks.  We definitely need more surveys and studies in this area.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

2 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Because it makes some of us wonder what could have been had we had our shit together earlier this year.  #1 in testing now isn't as sweet as we are going to be, by far, #1 in deaths.  It's like our Athletic Department.  Sure being #1 in swimming and tennis is fucking awesome.  But we've sucked for a decade in football, baseball, and basketball (a few bright spots notwithstanding).  

No, people have been bashing him for it, not saying way to go Hugo, thanks.  But you're right lots of people have been wondering that, and its a legit question.

[Trey3216 15325]

5 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Because it makes some of us wonder what could have been had we had our shit together earlier this year.  #1 in testing now isn't as sweet as we are going to be, by far, #1 in deaths.  It's like our Athletic Department.  Sure being #1 in swimming and tennis is fucking awesome.  But we've sucked for a decade in football, baseball, and basketball (a few bright spots notwithstanding).  

It has absolutely nothing to do with that and everything to do with it being Hugo.  

[MonkeyDoughnut 10145]

19 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

Why does anyone have an issue with Hugo posting the stats on deaths ?  I know what he's doing, but the info is the info.

I have more of a problem with his source. Continually using peoples deaths to promote your political agenda is not cool.

[Bozo_Casanova 26279]

15 minutes ago, South Austin said:

But I haven't ruled out that he's banging my girlfriend.

Mom, too.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11810]

12 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

 

https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/nursing-home-investigations/family-files-lawsuit-against-austin-nursing-home-in-workers-death/

@Brisketexan @TwiceHorn @Ghost of LL Are we going to see a lot more of these and/or do they have a leg to stand on (I’m not one of the thousands of Surly lawyers but it seems like it).  Jury trial would be beneficial.

Just for the hell of it since this hits close to home, I live a couple blocks from this place.  There have been quite a few deaths there and lots of hazmat ambulance crews.  Here’s a pic of the back door from a park nearby from last week.

[South Austin 52144]

15 minutes ago, Lobo said:

But we've sucked for a decade in football, baseball, and basketball (a few bright spots notwithstanding).  

Did you really need to fucking bring that up?

[Guest Lobo]

2 minutes ago, South Austin said:

Did you really need to fucking bring that up?

Sorry, in my simulation though...we finished 2nd in the Big XII in baseball this week and are heading to OKC for the tournament next week with a solid chance to host a regional.  

[Bozo_Casanova 26279]

17 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

I have more of a problem with his source. Continually using peoples deaths to promote your political agenda is not cool.

This is a very group 2  way of thinking about the world.

Hugo posted facts. You have these basic options:

1) Discuss the facts - this can be done without politics

2) Discuss why the facts are what they are - this can be done without partisanship, but necessarily includes politics

3) Make assertions about his motivations for posting information without content, based on his political affiliation - this is inherently political, not to mention toxic. 

 

Edited May 14, 2020 by Bozo_Casanova

[South Austin 52144]

9 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

This is a very group 2  way of thinking about the world.

Hugo posted facts. You have these basic options:

1) Discuss the facts - this can be done without politics

2) Discuss why the facts are what they are - this can be done without partisanship, but necessarily includes politics

3) Make assertions about his motivations for posting information without content, based on his political affiliation - this is inherently political, not to mention toxic. 

4)  Post a funny pic or gif representing this thread.

[El Diablo 4232]

32 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

It has absolutely nothing to do with that and everything to do with it being Hugo.  

He has the Ceauxvid.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

18 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

This is a very group 2  way of thinking about the world.

Hugo posted facts. You have these basic options:

1) Discuss the facts - this can be done without politics

2) Discuss why the facts are what they are - this can be done without partisanship, but necessarily includes politics

3) Make assertions about his motivations for posting information without content, based on his political affiliation - this is inherently political, not to mention toxic. 

 

1.Yes it can, but not here, you know that.

2. See #1.

3. You know his motivations, and they're intended to poke people in the eye.

[Judge Roybeanbag 11810]

2 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

1.Yes it can, but not here, you know that.

2. See #1.

3. You know his motivations, and they're intended to poke people in the eye.

Some people need to be poked in the eye.  Repeatedly.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

8 minutes ago, Judge Roybeanbag said:

Some people need to be poked in the eye.  Repeatedly.

Yes they do....  more then you're including in that subset I'm betting.

Edited May 14, 2020 by Onboard 2.0

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4968]

I seem to remember Hugo posting some pretty clearly political stuff in this thread early on. And since he has switched to only posting about deaths without saying anything else. While technically he is in line, it's basically like when you tell a toddler he can't drink his juice in the living room, so he sits on the threshold between the kitchen and the living room with his body in the living room and his juice in the kitchen. If he were participating in the thread in other ways it might be a different story. Also he probably has the ceauxvaids.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

2 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

I seem to remember Hugo posting some pretty clearly political stuff in this thread early on. And since he has switched to only posting about deaths without saying anything else. While technically he is in line, it's basically like when you tell a toddler he can't drink his juice in the living room, so he sits on the threshold between the kitchen and the living room with his body in the living room and his juice in the kitchen. If he were participating in the thread in other ways it might be a different story. Also he probably has the ceauxvaids.

Yep, precisely, but he will not be banned.  He's a stalking horse for the board. 

[LebongJames 1785]

Also those death numbers have a few thousand added. Other sources still show under 80k. I know it’s a small difference in a huge number but just tacking another 6k presumptive deaths is misleading.

[Captainant 27455]

3 minutes ago, LebongJames said:

Also those death numbers have a few thousand added. Other sources still show under 80k. I know it’s a small difference in a huge number but just tacking another 6k presumptive deaths is misleading.

@ChiTownDoc has explained this before. "Presumptive" means at time of death, the patient exhibited all the hallmark symptoms of COVID and COVID complications. But wouldn't ya know it, we don't have enough testing capacity to test those deaths to make them confirmed. 

The systemic delay in testing was an intentional move to cushion the shock on markets. If the numbers are small, then everything must be fine, right?

[Neonmoon 38127]

5 minutes ago, LebongJames said:

Also those death numbers have a few thousand added. Other sources still show under 80k. I know it’s a small difference in a huge number but just tacking another 6k presumptive deaths is misleading.

Worldmeters has US at 85,268.

but they source from counties. 

Quote

In accordance with new CDC guidelines:

• New York: the numbers shown below include probable COVID-19 deaths (and, consequently, probable cases for the same number) as reported by New York City
• Maryland: includes probable COVID-19 deaths, as reported by the Department of Health (Section: "COVID-19 Statistics in Maryland")
• Wyoming: includes probable COVID-19 cases, as reported by the Department of Health

Most state reports and dashboards lag behind or show incomplete data with respect to the data shown by individual counties on their official websites and dashboards, which is what we collecte and aggregate when possible to show the most updated and accurate number in the table below

 

[Bozo_Casanova 26279]

34 minutes ago, NotActuallyALonghorn said:

I seem to remember Hugo posting some pretty clearly political stuff in this thread early on. And since he has switched to only posting about deaths without saying anything else. While technically he is in line, it's basically like when you tell a toddler he can't drink his juice in the living room, so he sits on the threshold between the kitchen and the living room with his body in the living room and his juice in the kitchen. If he were participating in the thread in other ways it might be a different story. Also he probably has the ceauxvaids.

 

50 minutes ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

3. You know his motivations, and they're intended to poke people in the eye.

This is Charles Minard's map of Napoleon's Russian campaign. It's widely regarded as the best statistical graphic ever made. It presents six data elements: headcount,  temperature change, location, distance, direction, and landmarks at specific times and dates, and puts them in a direction that tells a story. 

Here it is, translated to modern English:

 

The name "Napoleon" does not appear on this map. There are no commentaries about leadership or strategy because they are irrelevant, and nobody remembers what defenders of Napoleon had to say about Minard.  The facts speak for themselves. Res ipsa loquitur. 

Edited May 14, 2020 by Bozo_Casanova

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 minute ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

 

This is Charles Minard's map of Napoleon's Russian campaign. It's widely regarded as the best statistical graphic ever made. It presents six data elements: headcount,  temperature change, location, distance, direction, and landmarks at specific times and dates, and puts them in a direction that tells a story. 

Here it is, translated to modern English:

 

The name "Napoleon" does not appear on this map. There are no commentaries about leadership or strategy, and nobody remembers what defenders of Napoleon had to say about Minard.  The facts speak for themselves. Res ipsa loquitur. 

Uhh huh, and that has nothing to do with the motivations of dear Hugo. The comment stands, he's trying to back door politics.

[Guest Lobo]

Rommel had a copy of that graph in his office.  

What we project onto graphs is far more telling than the projection of the graph itself.  

It's been awhile since we added a name to the dustbin of history.  

[Incredulity 11564]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/14/wisconsin-stay-home-order-lifted-bars-reopen-supreme-court-coronavirus/5189137002/

 

Hold my beer, pass the cheese curds.

[Pato del Muerto 52342]

1 hour ago, South Austin said:

Did you really need to fucking bring that up?

Yeah now this thread is depressing 

[workswithseed 2036]

11 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/14/wisconsin-stay-home-order-lifted-bars-reopen-supreme-court-coronavirus/5189137002/

 

Hold my beer, pass the cheese curds.

Cheese curds are awesome. 

[MonkeyDoughnut 10145]

1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

This is a very group 2  way of thinking about the world.

Hugo posted facts. You have these basic options:

1) Discuss the facts - this can be done without politics

2) Discuss why the facts are what they are - this can be done without partisanship, but necessarily includes politics

3) Make assertions about his motivations for posting information without content, based on his political affiliation - this is inherently political, not to mention toxic. 

 

I would have no problem if he stuck to #1 and gave facts without using that completely political one-sided twitter source as his medium for posting said facts.

[Pato del Muerto 52342]

1 minute ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

I would have no problem if he stuck to #1 and gave facts without using that completely political one-sided twitter source as his medium for posting said facts.

Facts are facts irrespective of their source

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13010]

12 hours ago, Js1 said:

Just had my first masked-up haircut. Not too weird or anything. Temp check, 2 hand washes. 

But, muh hare.

[gmr548 16512]

Sorry, in my simulation though...we finished 2nd in the Big XII in baseball this week and are heading to OKC for the tournament next week with a solid chance to host a regional.  

So we can't even win the B12 in fantasyland. Cool.

[DigglerontheHoof 21061]

2 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

1 hour ago, Lobo said:

Sorry, in my simulation though...we finished 2nd in the Big XII in baseball this week and are heading to OKC for the tournament next week with a solid chance to host a regional.  

So we can't even win the B12 in fantasyland. Cool.

One area where aggy's expertise could come in handy. 

[Neonmoon 38127]

21 minutes ago, Incredulity said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/14/wisconsin-stay-home-order-lifted-bars-reopen-supreme-court-coronavirus/5189137002/

 

Hold my beer, pass the cheese curds.

Those justices are really stretching to make that argument work. 

[Dahobbs 17447]

 

39 minutes ago, Captainant said:

@ChiTownDoc has explained this before. "Presumptive" means at time of death, the patient exhibited all the hallmark symptoms of COVID and COVID complications. But wouldn't ya know it, we don't have enough testing capacity to test those deaths to make them confirmed. 

The systemic delay in testing was an intentional move to cushion the shock on markets. If the numbers are small, then everything must be fine, right?

At least according to the CDC, presumptive means a positive test but without independent CDC confirmation. I would think pretty much everything reported is a presumptive at this point since the CDC has stopping doing confirmations as far as I know. The term probable is used when their is no testing, but all the hallmark systems. As far as death goes, you also have questionable and possible listings on death certificates that indicate a lower level of confidence. 

[Js1 85109]

10 minutes ago, MonkeyDoughnut said:

I would have no problem if he stuck to #1 and gave facts without using that completely political one-sided twitter source as his medium for posting said facts.

The guy works for CNN.  You know, a national news media organization that reports on the news (such as....coronavirus deaths in the U.S.) 

You have brain rot.  

[Js1 85109]

3 minutes ago, Neonmoon said:

Those justices are really stretching to make that argument work. 

Did they also make this ruling from the safety of their homes, such as when they forced Wisconsin voters to show up at the polls while they stayed at home and/or voted by mail? 

[clapclapclap 9000]

33 minutes ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

This is Charles Minard's map of Napoleon's Russian campaign. It's widely regarded as the best statistical graphic ever made. It presents six data elements: headcount,  temperature change, location, distance, direction, and landmarks at specific times and dates, and puts them in a direction that tells a story. 

Here it is, translated to modern English:

 

The name "Napoleon" does not appear on this map. There are no commentaries about leadership or strategy because they are irrelevant, and nobody remembers what defenders of Napoleon had to say about Minard.  The facts speak for themselves. Res ipsa loquitur. 

 

Edited May 14, 2020 by clapclapclap