Formerly DT: COVID-19 - Featuring Lots of Politics, now CR because political talk not going away

[gmr548 16463]

My oldest just graduated Tech

Thoughts and prayers.

[gmr548 16463]

Camp secsecsec?  

Fify

[Anastasis 23375]

3 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Thoughts and prayers.

 

I thought "graduate from tech" was a euphemism for a penicillin shot.  

[gmr548 16463]

My wife wants to sign me up for the adult camp at Sherwood Faire.  I have to pick 6 classes, and I’ve narrowed the main list down to this

• Archery
• Axe and Knife Throwing
• Blacksmithing
• Chainmaille
• Corset Making
• Discoverie of Witchcraft
• Egyptian Bellydance
• Herbalism
• Leatherwork
• Mead Making 
• Mug Making
• Swordplay

Somewhere in that list are 6 classes that will help me get through the covid shutdown in the fall.

Mug making, axe throwing, mead making x 4.

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4965]

17 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

My wife wants to sign me up for the adult camp at Sherwood Faire.  I have to pick 6 classes, and I’ve narrowed the main list down to this

• Archery
• Axe and Knife Throwing
• Blacksmithing
• Chainmaille
• Corset Making
• Discoverie of Witchcraft
• Egyptian Bellydance
• Herbalism
• Leatherwork
• Mead Making 
• Mug Making
• Swordplay

Somewhere in that list are 6 classes that will help me get through the covid shutdown in the fall.

Archery, Axe and Knife Throwing, Swordplay, Blacksmithing, Leatherwork, and Mead Making are the obvious choices. Although I might opt out of Leatherworking since there probably isn't much I don't already know there.

[Guest Lobo]

20 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

My wife wants to sign me up for the adult camp at Sherwood Faire.  I have to pick 6 classes, and I’ve narrowed the main list down to this

• Archery
• Axe and Knife Throwing
• Blacksmithing
• Chainmaille
• Corset Making
• Discoverie of Witchcraft
• Egyptian Bellydance
• Herbalism
• Leatherwork
• Mead Making 
• Mug Making
• Swordplay

Somewhere in that list are 6 classes that will help me get through the covid shutdown in the fall.

So like a BDSM camp then?  

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4965]

Alternative, take Discoverie of Witchcraf, Egyptian Bellydance, and Herbalism and report back. Kinda like peanut butter whiskey. Inquiring minds and all that...

[DaysOff 7821]

Ugh. I found out last night that the camp my daughter attends is going forward as planned and on schedule. They also announced it on Instagram, so I found out from my daughter (not ideal). I  My daughter is deeply depressed right now and looks forward to camp more than any other single thing. She was happier last night than she has been in weeks.
Camp kids probably need camp this summer more than any other time in their lives. 
Pro: the health director (and part owner) of the camp is an RN with a Masters in public health and they are following an enhanced version of the CDC guidelines along with those promulgated by ACA and YMCA. Nobody wants to be the summer camp that caused a coronavirus spike, and this camp is doing all they can while maintaining some version of normalcy.
Con: Camp is a mass gathering of people from multiple geographic regions who are likely to be asymptomatic for a longer period of time. This particular camp (no CR) skews towards families that are likely to have dismissed the risk of coronavirus as a hoax or panic and are more likely to have disregarded sensible guidelines and required monitoring prior to getting on the bus. it draws campers heavily from the following places that combine spotty testing with rising or plateauing rates of confirmed infection: Texas (especially East and Greater Houston), Oklahoma, Tennessee, Kentucky, Arkansas, Georgia, Missouri, and Mississippi. 
Mental health is incredibly important and camp has a profoundly positive impact on my daughter and other kids. On the other hand I don’t want her getting sick and I don’t want her to be a vector for disease. It’s not likely that she would be infected as a result of attending camp. But it’s possible, maybe even at a high single digit level.
 
I don’t know what to do. 
 

Surprising. My kids have always gone to HEB Foundation Laity Lodge. They announced they're shutting it down for the summer. Most importantly 1800 dollar refund for dad.

[Hate 20102]

My wife wants to sign me up for the adult camp at Sherwood Faire.  I have to pick 6 classes, and I’ve narrowed the main list down to this

• Archery
• Axe and Knife Throwing
• Blacksmithing
• Chainmaille
• Corset Making
• Discoverie of Witchcraft
• Egyptian Bellydance
• Herbalism
• Leatherwork
• Mead Making 
• Mug Making
• Swordplay

Somewhere in that list are 6 classes that will help me get through the covid shutdown in the fall.

Swordplay? Just make sure there are at least 3 of you.

[Iceman 2628]

1 hour ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Yup. Just give me the shit and let me get it over with. 

You expect just to keep on living your life?   Just like that?

 

No sir.  You will embrace the fear...

[Tailgate 3015]

Going to grab dinner on the patio at Matt's El Rancho tonight. It's time.

[Guest Lobo]

1 minute ago, Tailgate said:

Going to grab dinner on the patio at Matt's El Rancho tonight. It's time.

Well, be sure to wear your Bad Idea Jeans tonight.  /nopolitics

[InkaUtexas 25426]

51 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

My wife wants to sign me up for the adult camp at Sherwood Faire.  I have to pick 6 classes, and I’ve narrowed the main list down to this

• Archery
• Axe and Knife Throwing
• Blacksmithing
• Chainmaille
• Corset Making
• Discoverie of Witchcraft
• Egyptian Bellydance
• Herbalism
• Leatherwork
• Mead Making 
• Mug Making
• Swordplay

Somewhere in that list are 6 classes that will help me get through the covid shutdown in the fall.

Go bellydance and corset making. Don't matter, either way those dudes are going to shaft you. 

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13010]

53 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

My wife wants to sign me up for the adult camp at Sherwood Faire.  I have to pick 6 classes, and I’ve narrowed the main list down to this

• Archery
• Axe and Knife Throwing
• Blacksmithing
• Chainmaille
• Corset Making
• Discoverie of Witchcraft
• Egyptian Bellydance
• Herbalism
• Leatherwork
• Mead Making 
• Mug Making
• Swordplay

Somewhere in that list are 6 classes that will help me get through the covid shutdown in the fall.

Are there models involved in the corset making and Egyptian belly dancing?

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

1 minute ago, Casual Encounter said:

Are there models involved in the corset making and Egyptian belly dancing?

Yeah, we're gonna need a followup thread with pics.

[NorthLoop 14071]

1 hour ago, GreenspointTexas said:

Exactly. 
 

horse has been outta the barn guys. Debating on camps/school/etc is kinda a moot point at this juncture. If you have someone in your household who is overweight or immunocomp. or whatever then I guess you gotta make your own decisions, but at this point we are all going to get it... its just a question of when and how full/not full the hospitals will get

ballgame. 

[InkaUtexas 25426]

Russia....

A nurse in Russia was suspended from the hospital where she worked in Tula, 100 miles south of Moscow, after she arrived at her shift in the all-male coronavirus patient wing with no clothing save for her skivvies under her transparent personal protective equipment.

The unidentified staffer told her managers at Tula Regional Clinical Hospital that she was “too hot” to wear clothing underneath the head-to-toe vinyl gown, which protected her from contracting COVID-19. The incident was first reported by a local news outlet, the Tula Pressa newspaper.

Now you can all go back to talking summer camps and corsets.

[Brisketexan 104465]

This is not the "half naked Russian nurse" story Surly denizens were looking for.

[Moby Ric 2058]

3 kids, 3 different camps for my kids.  2 were cancelled on their own.  One is still up in the air but she is not going.

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

2 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

This is not the "half naked Russian nurse" story Surly denizens were looking for.

Like you can't fapp to that....

[Moby Ric 2058]

JFC they closed the neighborhood pool in my subdivision and the Karens are going apeshit on FB.

[InkaUtexas 25426]

Just now, Moby Ric said:

JFC they closed the neighborhood pool in my subdivision and the Karens are going apeshit on FB.

dare you to suggest throwing a wet t shirt contest. 

[Guest Lobo]

I would think the Karens would be happy.  All the kids be jumping in, splashing hair on their 90's bouffants.  

 

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13010]

13 minutes ago, InkaUtexas said:

Russia....

That old man has a reason to live.

[Lurch 5919]

Now, it's "let's see if you can get any sort of job" for their summer plan.

I’m even questioning this for my kids. Do I want them taking a job that someone else might actually NEED? Such a weird time

[Anastasis 23375]

2 minutes ago, Casual Encounter said:

That old man has a reason to live.

He's tugging his bone in the background. 

[ChiTownDoc 21091]

2 hours ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Yup. Just give me the shit and let me get it over with. 

Hell I'm a doctor and I'm like let's get the fuck out.  I am all about keeping the elderly/immunocompromised as segregated as we can.  Of course medically I'm still following every precaution but for personal life we are all like let's fucking go and live a little.  If you asked those in the great depression...hey 1% of you will die but the economy will be back.  They'd all be like fuck yes.  

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13010]

7 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

He's tugging his bone in the background. 

Close up shot.

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13010]

3 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

If you asked those in the great depression...hey 1% of you will die but the economy will be back.  They'd all be like fuck yes.  

Instead of walking their kids to sign up for the military, they’d would have been wheeling their grandparents sign up for stadium bingo.

Edited May 20, 2020 by Casual Encounter

[dingleberryswitzer 2724]

16 minutes ago, Lobo said:

I would think the Karens would be happy.  All the kids be jumping in, splashing hair on their 90's bouffants.  

 

Nope. now they have no excuse for filling a yeti cup the size of a traffic cone with vodka and sparkling water at 1pm. 

 

I hope our pool opens soon.  We're a small neighborhood (maybe 200 homes) with a fairly old demographic.  I've never seen more than 10 kids in our pool and half of those were with us.  I'd be pissed though of the neighborhoods next to us closed theirs because we already get those pricks sneaking into ours because theirs is too crowded 

Edited May 20, 2020 by dingleberryswitzer
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[Guest Lobo]

11 minutes ago, Lurch said:

 

I’m even questioning this for my kids. Do I want them taking a job that someone else might actually NEED? Such a weird time

 

You know, that's a really good point.  While in hindsight, I appreciated working jobs between 13-22 like busboy/bar-back, carpenter's assistant, retail/stocker, and helper on a beer delivery truck.  Those are jobs, where if the parent just wants the kid to get some work ethic this summer (and the family doesn't truly need the money), maybe think about letting somebody else grab that position.  If you've been doing a good job with your kids, one summer without manual labor shouldn't make a huge impact good/bad/indifferent with your kid.  If you can get them a gig at a friend's business for an "allowance" paid by you...I think that's good.  But yeah, to your point.....ever young adult should work in a restaurant like most of us did, but this may not be the summer for them to do that.  Hell, most of the jobs I described/had and the ones you're thinking about probably won't even exist this summer.  And if they do, then to yes...think about if you can skip a summer to instill work ethic in Junior so some other family can make rent with that income.  If my oldest was just a few years older, I'd be skipping summer jobs and just have her do crazy amounts of work around the house and yard for a raise in allowance.  Yeah, there's no substitute for working a proper business with strangers but this ain't the summer to play Parent of the Year.  

[dcar00 14023]

12 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

Hell I'm a doctor and I'm like let's get the fuck out.  I am all about keeping the elderly/immunocompromised as segregated as we can.  Of course medically I'm still following every precaution but for personal life we are all like let's fucking go and live a little.  If you asked those in the great depression...hey 1% of you will die but the economy will be back.  They'd all be like fuck yes.  

nope. can't do that.  need to save just one life you greedy SOB...

[Brisketexan 104465]

7 minutes ago, Lobo said:

You know, that's a really good point.  While in hindsight, I appreciated working jobs between 13-22 like busboy/bar-back, carpenter's assistant, retail/stocker, and helper on a beer delivery truck.  Those are jobs, where if the parent just wants the kid to get some work ethic this summer (and the family doesn't truly need the money), maybe think about letting somebody else grab that position.  If you've been doing a good job with your kids, one summer without manual labor shouldn't make a huge impact good/bad/indifferent with your kid.  If you can get them a gig at a friend's business for an "allowance" paid by you...I think that's good.  But yeah, to your point.....ever young adult should work in a restaurant like most of us did, but this may not be the summer for them to do that.  Hell, most of the jobs I described/had and the ones you're thinking about probably won't even exist this summer.  And if they do, then to yes...think about if you can skip a summer to instill work ethic in Junior so some other family can make rent with that income.  If my oldest was just a few years older, I'd be skipping summer jobs and just have her do crazy amounts of work around the house and yard for a raise in allowance.  Yeah, there's no substitute for working a proper business with strangers but this ain't the summer to play Parent of the Year.  

We're actually working an angle to get our daughter a part-time gig as  ranch hand.  We'd be willing to subsidize the pay some.  That way, it's one less job taken from someone who really needs to make some money.  And dude, in her field (foreign languages and such) a resume line of "cowgirl/ranch hand in Texas" is an absolute interview-clincher.  So long-term, it might  even be ideal.

 

And for the boy....we're just looking for a low-hours parttime gig -- like a burger joint or something (in other words, a job that really wouldn't help someone pay meaningful bills anyway).  Just because he DESPERATELY needs something to focus on and build some self-discipline.

Edited May 20, 2020 by Brisketexan

[Incredulity 11532]

6 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

We're actually working an angle to get our daughter a part-time gig as  ranch hand.  We'd be willing to subsidize the pay some.  That way, it's one less job taken from someone who really needs to make some money.  And dude, in her field (foreign languages and such) a resume line of "cowgirl/ranch hand in Texas" is an absolute interview-clincher.  So long-term, it might  even be ideal.

 

And for the boy....we're just looking for a low-hours parttime gig -- like a burger joint or something (in other words, a job that really wouldn't help someone pay meaningful bills anyway).  Just because he DESPERATELY needs something to focus on and build some self-discipline.

Get him on a roofing crew.  

If he fucks up with education after that you know there was no hope.

[Brisketexan 104465]

Just now, Incredulity said:

Get him on a roofing crew.  

If he fucks up with education after that you know there was no hope.

@Pescado_Rojo has a similar story about his high school gig.  I believe it was hanging sheetrock in the SETX heat and humidity.  Inspired him to go to college to get him one of those "indoors" jobs.

[Johnny Sack 8397]

We got the email for Ozark.  Kids are thrilled.  I see at as a very minimal risk.

[CHIEF 5057]

We got lucky with CHIEF Jr., he has been an "on water" boat mechanic for about 5 years now. People are using the lake for social distancing, so they were immediately 2-3 weeks behind as soon as his finals were over. Working sunup to sundown, but he is pulling in about $1400 per week till they get caught up. I never made but maybe a quarter of that in a week when I was his age.

CHIEF

[Pescado_Rojo 19327]

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

@Pescado_Rojo has a similar story about his high school gig.  I believe it was hanging sheetrock in the SETX heat and humidity.  Inspired him to go to college to get him one of those "indoors" jobs.

Working for a fence company in Port Arthur...

[ChickenSandwich 9797]

Spreadsheet Percentage of Deaths in Nursing Homes by state

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ETm51GayRjlnoaRVtUOWfkolEeAQZ-zPhXkCbVe4_ik/edit#gid=435667374

24 states over 50%

Worst: Minnesota 87%, Rhode Island 77%, New Hampshire 75%

Not reporting: Alaska, Mississippi, Missouri, and Wyoming

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

54 minutes ago, Moby Ric said:

JFC they closed the neighborhood pool in my subdivision and the Karens are going apeshit on FB.

Wasn't it the Karens who asked for it to be closed? Is this Karen on Karen violence? 

[Eskimohorn 5610]

Hell I'm a doctor and I'm like let's get the fuck out.  I am all about keeping the elderly/immunocompromised as segregated as we can.  Of course medically I'm still following every precaution but for personal life we are all like let's fucking go and live a little.  If you asked those in the great depression...hey 1% of you will die but the economy will be back.  They'd all be like fuck yes.  

In a world where we didnt change behavior, C19 shuts things down on its own. There is no choice, but hard, educated decisions. The US’ 50-state, 10000-county, 40,000-city, 330million-person strategy will neither solve this public health crisis nor re-open the economy.

In the depression, if you asked people hey 1% will die and our economy will suck, thats a more apt hypothetical. You have to solve the public health crisis before anything, even if its not perfect and comes with risks and inconvenience and failures.

At this point, we don’t even have a consensus on the extent of the problem. In Texas, just now having adequate testing. This is Phase I shit.

[Incredulity 11532]

1 minute ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Wasn't it the Karens who asked for it to be closed? Is this Karen on Karen violence? 

Well you see there was something to complain about, so...

[Royalfan5 2344]

For your livestock update, cattle packing runs topped 100K for the first time in 3 weeks or so, and continuing to close the gap on capacity. Beef prices found a bit of a bid, which is normal with Memorial Day coming up, but the return to normal should keep things stair stepping down. Hogs just missed cracking 400K today, with pork prices rebounding as well as we see ham restocking push the cutout up, but belly prices are basically back to normal. 

[Wulaw Horn 18963]

4 minutes ago, Cheeseweasel said:

Wasn't it the Karens who asked for it to be closed? Is this Karen on Karen violence? 

Indeed it is. 

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

Just now, Royalfan5 said:

For your livestock update, cattle packing runs topped 100K for the first time in 3 weeks or so, and continuing to close the gap on capacity. Beef prices found a bit of a bid, which is normal with Memorial Day coming up, but the return to normal should keep things stair stepping down. Hogs just missed cracking 400K today, with pork prices rebounding as well as we see ham restocking push the cutout up, but belly prices are basically back to normal. 

[Don Johnson 4744]

6 minutes ago, ChickenSandwich said:

Spreadsheet Percentage of Deaths in Nursing Homes by state

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ETm51GayRjlnoaRVtUOWfkolEeAQZ-zPhXkCbVe4_ik/edit#gid=435667374

24 states over 50%

Worst: Minnesota 87%, Rhode Island 77%, New Hampshire 75%

Not reporting: Alaska, Mississippi, Missouri, and Wyoming

Mississippi is 49.3% (281/570)

https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/14,0,420.html

Can't find the others but based on stories on nursing home outbreaks in St Louis, i'd be surprised if Missouri was below 50%

[hayden_horn 11360]

while i completely understand the desire to let kids go to camp, i could not imagine sending my boys to camp any more than i could imagine getting on an airplane to attend a trade show. and i'm going some kind of bananas under shelter in place.

i ain't telling yall what to do, but despite the legality of these gatherings, they still seem risky to me.

but i've gone from being fairly blase about this a couple of months ago to being very cautious. 

until we have appreciable data on positive tests and antibody tests, it's hard to consider large gatherings.

ymmv

[Bozo_Casanova 26232]

3 hours ago, Eskimohorn said:

Healthy children should be fine at camp. Understand that there is some risk for them. And use logic to determine the asymptomatic scenarios. The camp could be fine, but how do the kids return home? The outside exposure will likely happen en route or during departure.

Can you isolate your child for 2 weeks? Probably you’d be fine isolating at home one week (more realistic), then monitoring 2nd week. They keep to bedroom, bathroom, backyard for one week. Keeping in touch with other campers for exposures. Still keeping them sheltering around the house or backyard the full two weeks.

This is all simpler than the idea of 50 million students going back to school daily in the Fall.

This is an excellent point

3 hours ago, Pato del Muerto said:

Don’t forget to quarantine yourselves for 2 weeks along with the kid in case they happen to have brought it back with them and infected those in their household. 

If I can't model for dildos how do I feed my family?

2 hours ago, Lobo said:

Byrde Family still involved with that?  Or did the Langmore's take over?  

the Torns. 

2 hours ago, Wulaw Horn said:

This is a no brainer man- send her to camp. Worst case scenario is she gets sick and that’s a high high high likelihood of not being any big deal. 

If you are concerned about her being a vector just quarantine her for 14 days. Or test her- not super expensive and more or less available anywhere now aren’t they? 

Don’t overthink this. Kids weren’t made to be shut in, the risk to her is infintesimally small, and you can go back to quarantine when she gets back to not be a vector. Or test. 

I'm leaning this way. 

19 minutes ago, Johnny Sack said:

We got the email for Ozark.  Kids are thrilled.  I see at as a very minimal risk.

Should we talk to them about offering rat husbandry?

Edited May 20, 2020 by Bozo_Casanova

[Incredulity 11532]

4 minutes ago, Royalfan5 said:

For your livestock update, cattle packing runs topped 100K for the first time in 3 weeks or so, and continuing to close the gap on capacity. Beef prices found a bit of a bid, which is normal with Memorial Day coming up, but the return to normal should keep things stair stepping down. Hogs just missed cracking 400K today, with pork prices rebounding as well as we see ham restocking push the cutout up, but belly prices are basically back to normal. 

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

1 minute ago, hayden_horn said:

while i completely understand the desire to let kids go to camp, i could not imagine sending my boys to camp any more than i could imagine getting on an airplane to attend a trade show. and i'm going some kind of bananas under shelter in place.

i ain't telling yall what to do, but despite the legality of these gatherings, they still seem risky to me.

but i've gone from being fairly blase about this a couple of months ago to being very cautious. 

until we have appreciable data on positive tests and antibody tests, it's hard to consider large gatherings.

ymmv