Formerly DT: COVID-19 - Featuring Lots of Politics, now CR because political talk not going away

[Brew 3044]

Did Rex post your name on the forum? I can’t believe I missed that story. Oh wait, I didn’t because you have nonstop mentioned it for the last week plus. Everyone knows, let’s move on or at least back to the discussion at hand.

People have really come out hard against any further lockdown measures the last week or two locally. Our private school’s campus is still closed and is not planning to reopen until 7/1. There has been a lot of pushing to reopen campus now, allow normal summer day camps, go back to sports practices like normal, etc. They did virtual awards days and lower grade graduations last weeks and apparently several grades got together offsite for parties. Our kids didn’t participate, but we were apparently in the minority.

A few stores are still masks required and more and more people are causing issues over it. It’s stupid, shop somewhere else if it’s that big a deal to you.

[South Austin 52037]

39 minutes ago, Trey3216 said:

I’ve had the flu once in my life (39 yrs old) and that was in 4th grade.     

You were a 39-year-old 4th-grader?

[SHOOTER12 8787]

3 hours ago, CHIEF said:

You are not going to be able to pass an upper level math, physics, or engineering class while taking it online. Students are going to have too many questions. No availability to go to labs and learn the practical skills. My kid already said if all classes are online, he will be sitting it out till campus reopens.

CHIEF

That much more time to rake in those porno bucks.

[Trey3216 15325]

5 minutes ago, South Austin said:

You were a 39-year-old 4th-grader?

Took my whole life to get out of that sumbitch 

[Guest Lobo]

11 minutes ago, Brew said:

 

A few stores are still masks required and more and more people are causing issues over it. It’s stupid, shop somewhere else if it’s that big a deal to you.

I think most of us are still shopping at the same places as we have the last 10 weeks.  Thankfully, most people are being quite considerate of one another as Texans should.  

We just got this notice from our school similar to yours about 6/1 and 7/1.  Basically it was a we're planning to spend what would have been end of year 5/21 or 5/22 and then get school ready for some sort of socially responsible thing on 6/1.  You can either opt in for that based on your tuition payments and desire to attend or you can sit out until 7/1.  You can't restart school (summer session obviously) between 6/1 and 7/1.  So you're either in or out on 6/1, if you're out...you can start 7/1...but nothing after that.  No prorate, no bullshit.  It's just 5 YO pre-K, so the curriculum isn't make of break, but I guess I sorta appreciate the the way they're doing it.  You get one "let's see what happens bogey" and that's it.  So as of now, we're steadfast on 7/1 resumption but then wife just dropped it on me before I went outside for chores that maybe 6/1 is the way.  I dunno.  I like the idea of waiting 30 days to see how the school handles its shit but I know she's at her wit's end. 

[Brew 3044]

No benefit to being in the 6/1 group I can see unless it’s just a daycare need. I’m expecting K enrollment to be at a low point with parents choosing to sit out the year rather than potentially pay for some split on campus / at home curriculum.

[MNLonghornFUKM 8799]

Took my whole life to get out of that sumbitch 

So what was Veronica Vaughn like in bed?

[Blotto 23418]

21 minutes ago, South Austin said:

You were a 39-year-old 4th-grader?

to be fair, here is his 4th grade teacher

[Guest Lobo]

9 minutes ago, Brew said:

No benefit to being in the 6/1 group I can see unless it’s just a daycare need. I’m expecting K enrollment to be at a low point with parents choosing to sit out the year rather than potentially pay for some split on campus / at home curriculum.

Interesting you say that because wife also uttered a term today we hadn't discussed in two years...redshirt year.  Oldest has a late spring birthday and was physically behind for the first few years (still a little bit but she's overcoming well but not blowing anybody away).    Mentally/developmentally we feel great about her starting Kinder.  Anyway, every parent goes through it nowadays.  But didn't even occur to me, I just thought the debate was we're starting her in Kinder in August and whatever our local elementary school is doing as far as Covid-19 goes we'll just roll with that.  But wife suddenly also started contemplating maybe holding her back after all.  I see both points but we won't really, truly know what our local public school is gonna do until right up at the last minute.  We'd have to make plans well before that either with our private pre-K or with her Spanish immersion program at the public school. 

I know many people are going through the same thing but we were genuinely thinking redshirt for a couple years but then the last 1-2 years, we thought "nope, she'll be ready"...and this thing really throws a monkey wrench into that.  I mean, if she's in 3rd grade...then yeah...tough shit...move on to 4th grade with the rest of your class what was also stuck in this Covid-19 shitshow.  BUt as you point out, that nebulous between Pre-K and Kinder is another animal.  We hadn't even given it a thought until yesterday/today because of the materials rolling in from our Pre-K school and then also the Spanish Immersion program at our elementary school.  I think she's academically great with either, physically she may be kinda on the fence,  but yeah---what if half (or more) of her K-class is made up of redshirt deferrals?  This used to be a white people problem, but I think it's gonna affect the vast majority or Kinder classes statewide this upcoming school year.  I dunno. 

Edited May 21, 2020 by Lobo

[Chewbacca 7727]

Did Rex post your name on the forum? I can’t believe I missed that story. Oh wait, I didn’t because you have nonstop mentioned it for the last week plus. Everyone knows, let’s move on or at least back to the discussion at hand.
People have really come out hard against any further lockdown measures the last week or two locally. Our private school’s campus is still closed and is not planning to reopen until 7/1. There has been a lot of pushing to reopen campus now, allow normal summer day camps, go back to sports practices like normal, etc. They did virtual awards days and lower grade graduations last weeks and apparently several grades got together offsite for parties. Our kids didn’t participate, but we were apparently in the minority.
A few stores are still masks required and more and more people are causing issues over it. It’s stupid, shop somewhere else if it’s that big a deal to you.

So Lobo is Juicy? Did you hear he got doxxed?

[wild_turkey 3150]

I went to Home Depot and Target today, early afternoon thinking it would be less crowded. Both were packed.

Home Depot mask usage was about 20%, including very few of their employees. Target mask usage was probably closer to 50%, although some dickwad without a mask kept getting right next to me in line.

The people without a mask did not visibly conform to any particular stereotype, just a complete mix across the social spectrum.

I think the reasons for not wearing a mask must be different depending on the person - ignorance, laziness, a general belief that masks don’t make a difference, exercising their personal rights, accidentally left mask at home, discomfort from itchy/hot face or fogging glasses. I understand that last part a little bit, but for the most part it feels like a losing battle on this issue, which really sucks. It’s like if we suddenly legalized smoking indoors and over half of people decided to smoke in every store.

[Brew 3044]

33 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Interesting you say that because wife also uttered a term today we hadn't discussed in two years...redshirt year.  Oldest has a late spring birthday and was physically behind for the first few years (still a little bit but she's overcoming well but not blowing anybody away).    Mentally/developmentally we feel great about her starting Kinder.  Anyway, every parent goes through it nowadays.  But didn't even occur to me, I just thought the debate was we're starting her in Kinder in August and whatever our local elementary school is doing as far as Covid-19 goes we'll just roll with that.  But wife suddenly also started contemplating maybe holding her back after all.  I see both points but we won't really, truly know what our local public school is gonna do until right up at the last minute.  We'd have to make plans well before that either with our private pre-K or with her Spanish immersion program at the public school. 

I know many people are going through the same thing but we were genuinely thinking redshirt for a couple years but then the last 1-2 years, we thought "nope, she'll be ready"...and this thing really throws a monkey wrench into that.  I mean, if she's in 3rd grade...then yeah...tough shit...move on to 4th grade with the rest of your class what was also stuck in this Covid-19 shitshow.  BUt as you point out, that nebulous between Pre-K and Kinder is another animal.  We hadn't even given it a thought until yesterday/today because of the materials rolling in from our Pre-K school and then also the Spanish Immersion program at our elementary school.  I think she's academically great with either, physically she may be kinda on the fence,  but yeah---what if half (or more) of her K-class is made up of redshirt deferrals?  This used to be a white people problem, but I think it's gonna affect the vast majority or Kinder classes statewide this upcoming school year.  I dunno. 

We are at about 50% of normal K enrollment right now. Some of that is likely because campus is closed and people aren’t touring right now. However, there is a portion that is related to people that are waiting to see what happens and if school is in session like normal.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

 

[pearlandhorn 3277]

2 hours ago, Armybrat said:

I’ve had flu shots each fall almost 20 seasons straight without catching it.

However last spring I had a non-pneumonia bronchitis infection that lasted almost 3 weeks. Felt really shitty and coughed a lot for two of those weeks until the second round of antibiotics Finally took hold.

We found patient zero.

[SHOOTER12 8787]

2 hours ago, Hpara759 said:

And I've taken a flu shot every year since 85 (some years 2).....and never have gotten the flu

Me since 2006, never had it since.

[atomheartbevo 89362]

7 hours ago, Dahobbs said:

Other data point, the Miami-Dade county results estimated between 123,000 and 221,000 infected residents for the county. From Worldometer, the county has reported 578 deaths. So that puts the CFR between  .261% and .469%. Still 2.5 to nearly 5x regular flu.  

You can't trust shit coming out of Florida.    The woman running the website that realized covid data for the state was fired/reassigned/whatever.  Not going to get into the why part, since that's CR, and you can read her comments and decide for yourself, but it's basically a boat circling the harbor without somebody at the wheel.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/05/19/florida-health-department-officials-told-manager-to-delete-coronavirus-data-before-reassigning-her-emails-show/

Speaking of Worldometer, little article about how it came out of nowhere fast

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/05/world/worldometer-coronavirus-mystery/

 

[SHOOTER12 8787]

23 minutes ago, pearlandhorn said:

We found patient zero.

No, we found patient BC...

[Guest Lobo]

12 minutes ago, atomheartbevo said:

You can't trust shit coming out of Florida.    The woman running the website that realized covid data for the state was fired/reassigned/whatever.  Not going to get into the why part, since that's CR, and you can read her comments and decide for yourself, but it's basically a boat circling the harbor without somebody at the wheel.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/05/19/florida-health-department-officials-told-manager-to-delete-coronavirus-data-before-reassigning-her-emails-show/

Speaking of Worldometer, little article about how it came out of nowhere fast

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/05/world/worldometer-coronavirus-mystery/

 

Oh I’ll get fucking cloak room on here.  The leadership down there, particularly at Del Boca Vista, has been shit.  They’re all on the take and looking to juice/Jews down the numbers.  It’s bullshit.  They’re all in bed with New York on this crap to screw the system.  

[gmr548 16463]

54 minutes ago, pearlandhorn said:

We found patient zero.

For the Black Death?

[Gatorubet 30064]

1 hour ago, pearlandhorn said:

We found patient zero.

You never inhaled a piece of mastodon bone when you laughed while eating.  

[Gatorubet 30064]

7 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Then you'll see other areas where much of the outbreak was due to foolish local decisions to allow spreading activity to occur after they knew it was a real risk -- NOLA went forward with Mardi Gras, and was hit much harder than Austin, which cancelled SXSW.

 

The first Carnival parade I went to rolled February 1 this year.  SXSW was cancelled in March after Carnival had ended.    Three to four weeks were two different worlds. 

Edited May 21, 2020 by Gatorubet

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

9 hours ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

 

You gonna have a party when we hit 100K ?

 

EDIT:  Da Hobbs, how do you function in real life, you're always so fucking confused.

Edited May 21, 2020 by Onboard 2.0

[NotActuallyALonghorn 4965]

11 hours ago, CHIEF said:

Well the second most populous state in the US is sitting at about 3500 deaths, how do you explain that? The county south of me still has never had a case. The ONLY hot spots in significantly rural counties all have ties to packing plants, where the workers are crowded together for processing. With only 3 Texas counties over 100 deaths, the idea that this virus is spreading happily and quickly in less dense environments is absurd. We are in a county, population of 60k we have had 22 cases, and 3 deaths, and we are 35 miles from DFW. Testing is immediately available, both viral and antibody, and only 532 people have bothered to take a test.

I've come to realize that there are two completely different reactions to COVID, the urban/suburban reaction, and the rural reaction. Rural America would never even have known about COVID if not for TV and the internet. 

I know this was directed at someone else. But from my rural perspective, the reactions and precautions are apples and oranges. I understand why dashing young urbanites, and the the common clay, you know, morons, have a completely different prospective on their risk mitigation.

CHIEF

Yeah, there definitely needs to be a discussion about the differing needs of more rural versus more urban areas. More rural folks just don't generally interact with as many people under normal circumstances as the urban folks do. Outside of a few nursing homes most of the rural counties around here aren't seeing may infections. And when they find one and that person quarantines there aren't nearly as many who were exposed to it. Mask usage is definitely much lower in these areas, but given the lower infection rates it isn't hard to see why (I still don't get why some folks refuse to wear one when going somewhere in public). I think people who live in the cities where the risk is much higher don't quite get the difference, but the rural folks don't either.

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13010]

8 hours ago, wild_turkey said:

I went to Home Depot and Target today, early afternoon thinking it would be less crowded. Both were packed.

Home Depot mask usage was about 20%, including very few of their employees. Target mask usage was probably closer to 50%, although some dickwad without a mask kept getting right next to me in line.

The people without a mask did not visibly conform to any particular stereotype, just a complete mix across the social spectrum.

I think the reasons for not wearing a mask must be different depending on the person - ignorance, laziness, a general belief that masks don’t make a difference, exercising their personal rights, accidentally left mask at home, discomfort from itchy/hot face or fogging glasses. I understand that last part a little bit, but for the most part it feels like a losing battle on this issue, which really sucks. It’s like if we suddenly legalized smoking indoors and over half of people decided to smoke in every store.

Shit like this floating around Facebook is a big reason, and people too stupid to realize the statement is about protection against lawsuits.  Filthy lawyers...
 

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

1 hour ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

You gonna have a party when we hit 100K ?

Hugo reading the daily numbers:

[TexasPride10 573]

11 hours ago, pearlandhorn said:

Person should have said: Before coronavirus and after 6 weeks in the hospital with no artificial Testosterone/Tren injections.

This. 

It's gotta sting to have the roid nips without at least having the roid body to go with them. 

[Guest Lobo]

37 minutes ago, Casual Encounter said:

Shit like this floating around Facebook is a big reason, and people too stupid to realize the statement is about protection against lawsuits.  Filthy lawyers...
 

I am not a practicing attorney, but I think the language is also purposeful in that it says "protection against", meaning the mask can't prevent you from acquiring the virus.  Responsible adults (so basically nobody on Surly except ArmyBrat) now understand the mask is for the helping to prevent the transferring of the virus from the mask wearer to others in a close radius.  That's its real purpose but that's hard to responsibly advertise overtly.  But of course, wearing a mask is now seen as sheep behavior.  What is a large group of sheep called?  A herd.  What do we need according to some?  Herd Immunity?  But how we can get herd immunity without being sheep?  By being led by a Shepherd.  I don't see any.  So meantime, mask up and let's fucking do this 'Murica.  

If I'm honest, I probably wouldn't wear a mask in public but for the fact that I have to clear my throat a lot of because of GERD and some GI shit I've had for awhile.  And I have a very deep baritone voice to begin with.  So when I clear my throat, which usually is no phlegm, people 50' away can hear it just because of my deep voice.  So rather than scaring the living shit out of everyone at Trader Joe's, I just opt to wear a mask and if I clear my throat a half dozen times while shopping, people will still look over but see that I'm masked, and they avoid having a heart attack which is apparently just as deadly as Covid-19.  /csb

[Armybrat 40678]

Trader Joe’s? Full of Karens.

Go through Walmart clearing your throat like you’re choking on a Golden Corral chicken bone and nobody will give a shit.

[Hugo Stiglitz 23356]

2 hours ago, Onboard 2.0 said:

You gonna have a party when we hit 100K ?

No, I think it’s important not to get desensitized to the amount of life lost in all this. Each one of those people had a life, a family, and now they’re dead. I post the numbers to acknowledge their loss instead of pretending this isn’t happening.

[Dahobbs 17420]

8 hours ago, atomheartbevo said:

You can't trust shit coming out of Florida.    The woman running the website that realized covid data for the state was fired/reassigned/whatever.  Not going to get into the why part, since that's CR, and you can read her comments and decide for yourself, but it's basically a boat circling the harbor without somebody at the wheel.

https://www.tampabay.com/news/health/2020/05/19/florida-health-department-officials-told-manager-to-delete-coronavirus-data-before-reassigning-her-emails-show/

Speaking of Worldometer, little article about how it came out of nowhere fast

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/05/world/worldometer-coronavirus-mystery/

 

That report didnt come from the state, but rather a joint effort between the county and the university of miami school of medicine. I'd obviously like more information about the study, methodology, and tests used, but the description sounded reasonable and the results pass a general sanity check. 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

9 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

No, I think it’s important not to get desensitized to the amount of life lost in all this. Each one of those people had a life, a family, and now they’re dead. I post the numbers to acknowledge their loss instead of pretending this isn’t happening.

Nobody is pretending it's not happening so drop that completely empty, BS, statement.  Nobody needs you to be the grim reaper accountant.  Hell, Gov. Cuomo was even more cavalier, " People are going to die, that's just the reality".  Curious, you didn't comment on his little emotionless comment.....

 

EDIT:   'I'm just acknowledging their loss"..   That's some funny ass shit right there man, and some first class BS.

Edited May 21, 2020 by Onboard 2.0

[Dahobbs 17420]

59 minutes ago, Casual Encounter said:

Shit like this floating around Facebook is a big reason, and people too stupid to realize the statement is about protection against lawsuits.  Filthy lawyers...
 

The statement is accurate. Basic masks dont protect the wearer. 

[Js1 85056]

Just now, Onboard 2.0 said:

Nobody is pretending it's not happening so drop that completely empty, BS, statement.  Nobody needs you to be the grim reaper accountant.  Hell, Gov. Cuomo was even more cavalier, " People are going to die, that's just the reality".  Curious, you didn't comment on his little emotionless comment.....

First person to attack the messenger instead of how many deaths are happening bc of a poor response by our country. 
 

BUT CHINA

BUT HUGO

MUH RIGHTS

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

7 minutes ago, Armybrat said:

Go through Walmart clearing your throat like you’re choking on a Golden Corral chicken bone and nobody will give a shit.

I use it to make sure everyone keeps 6 feet away from me. No mask. Coughing like I have TB. I have the store to myself!

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

1 hour ago, Js1 said:

First person to attack the messenger instead of how many deaths are happening bc of a poor response by our country. 
 

BUT CHINA

BUT HUGO

MUH RIGHTS

He's no messenger, he's a kid with a stick trying to poke people in the eye.  Your post is in the running for most BS of the day, congrats. We'll keep you informed, right now it's you, and Hugo with his last entry.  Gonna be tough to beat his load of crap.

Edited May 21, 2020 by Onboard 2.0

[EuroHorn 3204]

30 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

No, I think it’s important not to get desensitized to the amount of life lost in all this. Each one of those people had a life, a family, and now they’re dead. I post the numbers to acknowledge their loss instead of pretending this isn’t happening.

Active measures...

[Moby Ric 2058]

Lulz, Karen got banned from the neighborhood FB page over her covid closing the pool issues.  She was already banned on Next-door.  

[Cheeseweasel 26437]

3 minutes ago, Moby Ric said:

Lulz, Karen got banned from the neighborhood FB page over her covid closing the pool issues.  She was already banned on Next-door.  

We've come upon the age-old philosophical question:

If a Karen complains and there's no FB/Next-door, does anyone hear her? 

[Moby Ric 2058]

Just now, Cheeseweasel said:

We've come upon the age-old philosophical question:

If a Karen complains and there's no FB/Next-door, does anyone hear her? 

I assume she will start a youtube channel to voice her issues.

[GreenspointTexas 9556]

Is there anyone on here that doesnt want to wear a mask out or thinks it is silly? If so, id really like to have a conversation with you

 

 

also, as someone who wears a mask for 8-12 hrs a day at work, wearing a mask is pretty fucking cheap and easy to do

[clapclapclap 9000]

42 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

No, I think it’s important not to get desensitized to the amount of life lost in all this. Each one of those people had a life, a family, and now they’re dead. I post the numbers to acknowledge their loss instead of pretending this isn’t happening.

OK, Eddie Haskell

[Guest Lobo]

Pre-2005 Karen used to have a phone tree that she'd set into motion if anything was awry.  

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13010]

47 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

The statement is accurate. Basic masks dont protect the wearer. 

I’m almost certain you missed my point but I’m not surprised.

Edited May 21, 2020 by Casual Encounter

[bullzak 411]

17 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

Because can we live with, say, 250,000 dead?  Maybe we can, and that's just the cost of living on this planet right now.  Better data will help us make better decisions.+

That would be in line with the 1957 flu epidemic. 

116,000 deaths 172 million population in US. 

Not great but not unprecedented. 

At this rate might even say pretty likely by say end of 2021.

[bullzak 411]

16 hours ago, Lobo said:

And yes, great news from the CDC about the virus not spreading as easily as once thought from static surfaces.  Which begs the question, where are people getting it from?  Oh yeah, assholes who have it who are still out and about with nothing covering their fat fucking faces.  But nope, FREEDOM!  How is the most anti-governement poster this fucking website the first one to mask up when he leaves the house?   Your fucking proof is there, we're not getting it from touching the same doorknobs.  We're breathing/talking onto each other like fucking assholes.  

Never believed it was easy to get from a doorknob. Just because you can detect the RNA of a virus doesn't mean its transmissible. 

I dont think you need a mask outside in general. 

[Onboard 2.0 9083]

19 minutes ago, Casual Encounter said:

I’m almost certain you missed my point but I’m not surprised.

Well  Da Hobbs is typically very confused as evidenced by his rep history to so many posts.

[Coelenterate Fuccboi 13010]

59 minutes ago, Dahobbs said:

The statement is accurate. Basic masks dont protect the wearer. 

Also, since you like to nitpick,  the statement doesn’t mention anything about the wearer. 
 

I have a difficult time believing any covering doesn’t off “some” protection.

[Dahobbs 17420]

35 minutes ago, Casual Encounter said:

I’m almost certain you missed my point but I’m not surprised.

I don't think I did. You think people should understand the warnings are only there for legal reasons and not because the mask would be ineffective. You blame lawyers. But you misunderstand the point of the warning. The warning is accurate. It doesn't protect the wearer. People need to know that. But people also need to know that just because a mask doesn't protect the wearer doesn't mean it is useless. You protect others. And others protect you. 

Edited May 21, 2020 by Dahobbs
I take it back, no need for the insults.

[Js1 85056]

3 minutes ago, bullzak said:

Never believed it was easy to get from a doorknob. Just because you can detect the RNA of a virus doesn't mean its transmissible. 

I dont think you need a mask outside in general. 

Glad I wasn't one of those people leaving packages in the garage for days and wiping down their groceries as if the store workers were licking their milk cartons and fruit all day long. 

[Dahobbs 17420]

3 minutes ago, Casual Encounter said:

Also, since you like to nitpick,  the statement doesn’t mention anything about the wearer. 
 

I have a difficult time believing any covering doesn’t off “some” protection.

There is no solid evidence that it does. There have been numerous studies on wearing general masks to provide protection against infection, and pretty much all of them are either inconclusive or indicate no benefit.