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18 minutes ago, Wally Fairway said:

Can't go to the stadium to watch the game, but the arena is going to host a viewing party for the road opener.
Seems like an odd thing to do in the year of the Rona, good luck Husker fans

 

No fans outside, but come to the indoor arena to watch the game!!!  How fucking regarded 

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We are up to over 35 people getting infected at the White House/Rose Garden thing.

And it includes the President's son, which they did not reveal until today.

Oh, and unrelated to that event, and honestly, no surprise, Nick Saban has it.

So Nick has been cozying up to some minks?

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Can't go to the stadium to watch the game, but the arena is going to host a viewing party for the road opener.
Seems like an odd thing to do in the year of the Rona, good luck Husker fans

 

They cancelled it - thankfully. 

https://omaha.com/sports/huskers/football/watch-party-for-nebraska-game-against-ohio-state-wont-be-held-at-pinnacle-bank-arena/article_9373d5bb-827a-5943-b4a2-01908768d122.html

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Tom Lorenz, general manager of the Lincoln arena, on Wednesday notified officials with the City of Lincoln and the Lincoln-Lancaster County Health Department that officials had changed their plans.

“As we’ve learned, the COVID-19 pandemic is unpredictable, and with the current high number of cases and hospitalizations, we reconsidered this event,” Lorenz said in a prepared statement. “We have worked with the Health Department to successfully and safely hold other events, and plan to continue that cooperation for future events at PBA."

 

 

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Nice article on the resurgence of cases in France.

tl;dr: They thought they had it mostly beaten when summer arrived and got sloppy with testing/tracing/isolation while everyone went on vacation and partying, creating new hot spots and bringing the virus home. It's come back with a vengeance, so they're reluctantly imposing curfews in cities to dampen the spread to everyone's chagrin.

Will a Half-Step by Macron Be Enough to Blunt France’s Second Wave?
The imposition of a curfew in several major cities underscored a difficult choice: further dampening the economy or risking more lives.

PARIS — France thought it had beaten the coronavirus. Its comeback in a roaring second wave left the government scrambling this week for a half-measure that underscored its ugly choices.

The French president, Emmanuel Macron, highlighted his own dilemma on Wednesday in announcing a curfew for Paris and eight other major cities. A new lockdown for an already reeling economy would have been “disproportionate,” he said, yet the pressure on intensive care beds was intolerable. “Our caregivers are exhausted,” he said.

“The virus is recirculating very rapidly in Europe and in our country,” Mr. Macron said in an interview on national television. France had to “take back control.”

If the virus ever was under control in France, that was before the summer. But, experts say, after that moment, the French, like so many others elsewhere in Europe, let their guard down.

France’s attachment to its summer holidays, young people’s exuberance in going out and partying, a lack of vigilance in wearing masks and social distancing, the risks of resuming routine life, and the government’s failure — from the very start — to effectively test, trace and isolate infected people have all contributed to an explosive second wave of infections.

Whether ordering people, starting Saturday, to stay in their homes from 9 p.m. to 6 a.m. is the answer — restaurant owners and young people are already grumbling — cannot be known immediately. But the dire outlook was undeniable. With an average of nearly 20,000 new cases a day, health experts have been warning all week that the virus is out of control in France, particularly in cities.

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“Right now, we’ve got to put the brakes on it,” said Yazdan Yazdanpanah, an infectious disease specialist on the French government’s Covid-19 advisory panel. “This curfew will limit contacts,” he said. “We’ve got to lower the rate right away. We don’t really have a choice.”

Mircea Sofonea, an epidemiologist at the University of Montpellier, said that the new curfew came in “the last possible week to react” to prevent hospital saturation. He noted that a new study found that a curfew imposed in French Guiana reduced infections by 36 percent.

Until Wednesday night, Mr. Macron’s own indecision had emphasized the quandary faced by governments all over Europe caught between faltering economies — France is facing a recession of nearly 9 percent — restriction-weary populations and a virus that will not quit.

The government’s hesitancy was palpable this week. The prime minister, Jean Castex, chided the French for having “decided a little too quickly” that the virus no longer posed a threat.

The same day, the tourism minister, Jean Baptiste Lemoyne, urged people to go on vacation during the upcoming school break, to prop up the country’s vital tourism industry, whose revenues are half what they were a year ago.

Mr. Macron himself acknowledged the impossibility of barring upcoming French vacation-going in his remarks on Wednesday night.

Lulled by a relatively successful handling of the first wave, the government failed to firmly put in place a critical triptych over the summer — testing, tracing and isolation. The numbers are not as high as they were last spring, but they are bad enough. Nearly 100 people died in the 24 hours ending Thursday morning, far below the 1,000-plus death tolls of mid-April but still alarming.

Cases, flat through June and July, have been rising steadily since August, with 27,000 positive tests reported last Saturday. An infection rate of 5 to 6 cases per 100,000 people over the summer has spiraled to nearly 200 across France. It is up to 800 for 20- to 30-year-olds in Paris. The government has set the red alert limit at 150.

In the interim, bars and gyms have been shut in major cities. Establishments that serve food remain open, even if cafe owners report confusion about what qualifies as enough of a meal to keep the police off their backs.

There have been mixed messages, too, about going back to offices. The president of the region that includes Paris, Valérie Pécresse, appealed for a return last month, even as infections started to rise. The result is that central Paris bustles with office workers, compared with moribund downtowns in the United States, though nearly everybody wears a mask. On Wednesday, Mr. Macron encouraged at least a partial return to telecommuting.

The gestation of the current infection boom was plainly visible in July, August and September. Visitors packed France’s summer watering holes after the government encouraged tourism, anxious also not to get crosswise of the sacred ritual that is the French summer holiday.

A wave of indignation greeted mild suggestions that workers should give up some vacation days to compensate for those lost during the lockdown.

In Paris, as they returned from these hot spots, young people spilled from crowded bars onto the sidewalks in the city’s bohemian eastern districts and massed along the banks of the Seine. There was no social distancing and few masks. France thought the virus was tamed.

“There was certainly a lack of understanding in a part of the population that didn’t believe in a second wave,” said Renaud Piarroux, an epidemics specialist at Pitié-Salpêtrière Hospital in Paris. “Some in the younger population abandoned the necessary precautions,” he said, like wearing a mask and social distancing.

Before Mr. Macron’s announcement on Wednesday, several health experts predicted a severe reckoning in the coming weeks.

“It’s all over,” William Dab, a former national director of public health who has been critical of the government’s response, said earlier this week. “We’ve lost the fight. It’s out of control.”

Mr. Dab chided the government for what he called a “strategy deficit” that had not motivated individuals to change their behavior. In the Paris region, he added, “there is nothing left to be done.”

The one ray of hope in France, as elsewhere, is that treatment methods have improved since the spring, allowing more patients to be saved. Still, the head of Paris hospitals, Martin Hirsch, warned on Tuesday that coronavirus patients would most likely fill up to 90 percent of intensive care beds in the capital by next week. Already more than 1,600 of France’s 5,000 intensive-care beds are filled.

A report from independent experts, commissioned by the government and released this week, concluded that France had done far better than Britain, Sweden, the United States and Southern Europe, but not as well as Austria or Germany.

The French obeyed the lockdown imposed by the government in March, April and May. Then, with cases flatlining, they flocked back into the streets, stores, cafes and restaurants.

Citizens let down their guard, reinforcing what Bernard Jomier, a member of the French Senate commission examining the government’s pandemic response, termed a “collective deficit of public health culture in our country.”

“We are a country where the politics of prevention is not part of our culture,” he said in an interview this week. “There are elements in French society that are favorable to the development of the virus.”

The consequence has been a “hesitation in the government’s official line,” said Mr. Jomier, a Greens party lawmaker who represents a Paris district. “The governance of public health is not well organized.”

“Testing, tracing, isolating — this has been a failure,” he said. “Badly elaborated, badly implemented.”

At Charles de Gaulle Airport for example, arriving travelers are tested, but they do not get the results for at least a week.

Contact tracing has also “failed,” Mr. Jomier said; Mr. Dab, the former public health director, called it a “fiasco” in an interview in the Journal du Dimanche in September, noting that the five contacts traced per case in July had dropped to two.

“The number of contacts is very far below the actual number of contacts,” said Mr. Piarroux, the epidemics specialist. “It’s all happening over the phone. So there’s less motivation” to divulge the contacts.

Both he and Mr. Jomier also said that isolation, the third part of the triptych, had hardly been enforced, pointing to out-of-control infection rates in shelters that house migrants.

On Thursday, French newspapers grimly recalled the curfew imposed during the German occupation, and industry groups called for new help for struggling restaurants.

“We can’t work from 7 p.m. to 9 p.m.,” said Denis Kouch, the owner of a restaurant off the Champs-Élysées. “People don’t even have time to arrive, and then they have to leave right away?”

 

 

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Nice article on the resurgence of cases in France.

tl;dr: They thought they had it mostly beaten when summer arrived and got sloppy with testing/tracing/isolation while everyone went on vacation and partying, creating new hot spots and bringing the virus home. It's come back with a vengeance, so they're reluctantly imposing curfews in cities to dampen the spread to everyone's chagrin.

Will a Half-Step by Macron Be Enough to Blunt France’s Second Wave?
The imposition of a curfew in several major cities underscored a difficult choice: further dampening the economy or risking more lives.

PARIS — France thought it had beaten the coronavirus. Its comeback in a roaring second wave left the government scrambling this week for a half-measure that underscored its ugly choices.

The French president, Emmanuel Macron, highlighted his own dilemma on Wednesday in announcing a curfew for Paris and eight other major cities. A new lockdown for an already reeling economy would have been “disproportionate,” he said, yet the pressure on intensive care beds was intolerable. “Our caregivers are exhausted,” he said.

“The virus is recirculating very rapidly in Europe and in our country,” Mr. Macron said in an interview on national television. France had to “take back control.”

If the virus ever was under control in France, that was before the summer. But, experts say, after that moment, the French, like so many others elsewhere in Europe, let their guard down.

France’s attachment to its summer holidays, young people’s exuberance in going out and partying, a lack of vigilance in wearing masks and social distancing, the risks of resuming routine life, and the government’s failure — from the very start — to effectively test, trace and isolate infected people have all contributed to an explosive second wave of infections.

Whether ordering people, starting Saturday, to stay in their homes from 9 p.m. to 6 a.m. is the answer — restaurant owners and young people are already grumbling — cannot be known immediately. But the dire outlook was undeniable. With an average of nearly 20,000 new cases a day, health experts have been warning all week that the virus is out of control in France, particularly in cities.

 

At least this time around, the death totals in France are much lower than they were in the first wave, both in absolute and in relative numbers.  That's pretty much the case across all of the European countries that are seeing a resurgence.

 

 

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At least this time around, the death totals in France are much lower than they were in the first wave, both in absolute and in relative numbers.  That's pretty much the case across all of the European countries that are seeing a resurgence.

 

 

That really has been the best news in the US as well. The doctors have gotten much better at treating it than in the first couple of months, so we're not seeing the same degree of deaths (also better at keeping it out of the nursing homes).

NYTimes Covid pages (I think) are still available to nonsubscribers, so I'm putting in this link to provide some comparisons if any of y'all are a data geek like me.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/coronavirus-maps.html

In the link above, I really dig how they graphically display the countries in the table below the map to show the intensity of the spread over time. They also have links for more detailed information for certain countries if anyone fills like digging into the data. The interesting thing about their France data, if you go to that page, the French data shows the hospitalization rates by region and department unlike us in the US.

Edit: I lived in France just outside of Paris for a year in high school, have been back a few times, and still keep in touch with some friends over there, so that's why I'm talking about France on a Texas board if anyone was curious why I'd give a shit.

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On 10/3/2020 at 10:45 AM, Js1 said:

That’s a bingo for Christie 

On 10/3/2020 at 11:14 AM, atomheartbevo said:

Christie should be worried as hell.   That dude is rocking multiple pre-existing conditions.  

Yeah, so about that.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/15/politics/chris-christie-coronavirus/index.html

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Washington (CNN)Former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said Thursday he spent seven days in an intensive care unit before recovering from Covid-19 in a new statement that details the severity of his case and urges people to take the pandemic seriously. 

"Having had this virus, I can also assure those who have not had it of a few things. It is something to take very seriously," Christie said

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"The ramifications are wildly random and potentially deadly. No one should be happy to get the virus and no one should be cavalier about being infected or infecting others."

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Reflecting on his own thought process before contracting the virus, Christie conceded Thursday that he had believed "when I entered the White House grounds, that I had entered a safe zone, due to the testing that and I and many others underwent every day. 

"I was wrong," he said 

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"I was wrong to not wear a mask at the Amy Coney Barrett announcement and I was wrong not to wear a mask at my multiple debate prep sessions with the President and the rest of the team. I hope that my experience shows my fellow citizens that you should follow CDC guidelines in public no matter where you are and wear a mask to protect yourself and others."

 

 

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Same song, different verse. Every time any country says we got this beat, open up the bars, a new wave emerges. I get it, it’s hard. People get tired of not going out. As other have stated, thankfully we’ve gotten better at treatment. What to do, what not to do. I think most thing can open up as long as people wear masks, but it seems like bars lead to spread.

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23 hours ago, dcar00 said:

France has had a mask mandate/even fines for months.  how does this happen in a highly educated European country?

 

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France’s attachment to its summer holidays, young people’s exuberance in going out and partying, a lack of vigilance in wearing masks and social distancing, the risks of resuming routine life, and the government’s failure — from the very start — to effectively test, trace and isolate infected people have all contributed to an explosive second wave of infections.

 

Sounds like they wanted to try out the US model. Whoops!

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Hopefully he will use this as a sign to lose weight. This virus us hell on obese people and old people

Let that be a lesson to everyone. Go on a diet, lose wieght, and start a strict Benjamin Button regimen along with zinc and vitamin C.

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Sounds like they wanted to try out the US model. Whoops!

Hard to call it the "US model" when every major country in Europe is experiencing the exact same thing.  Even Germany is now experiencing peak new cases higher than what they saw back in March/April.  

It's more accurate to cite "human nature" or, at the very least, "open Western culture."

 

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Sounds like they wanted to try out the US model. Whoops!

they have no earthly idea on the "lack of vigilence on wearing masks".  I would assume it is very high because they are extremely smart people in France.

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Yeah, well.....if they’re so smart—how come they don’t know that a lot of people are saying that 85% of mask wearers got covid?   

Well, I can certainly attest that one can wear masks and be in a building where everyone else is wearing masks and still get the shit.  

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lulzwat???
You think there are a lot of Trump supporters in France, Spain, UK, Italy, and Germany?  You might want to double check your sources on that.

Did I specifically say Trump supporters? No. I'm talking about a culture of being laissez-faire about mask wearing, social distancing and taking vacations to crowded places and other unnecessary shit during a pandemic.

But they were doing great from April through July.  And then they started increasing in August.  Your original assertion is that they were acting like the US, and I'm pointing out that people that have ZERO desire to be like the US, are still becoming more lax over time.

This is a matter of human nature, or a generalized concept of Western culture--- not anything related to the US.  At all.  Other than we're ALL Western countries that are accustomed to more freedoms than many of our Eastern neighbors.

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But they were doing great from April through July.  And then they started increasing in August.  Your original assertion is that they were acting like the US, and I'm pointing out that people that have ZERO desire to be like the US, are still becoming more lax over time.

This is a matter of human nature, or a generalized concept of Western culture--- not anything related to the US.  At all.  Other than we're ALL Western countries that are accustomed to more freedoms than many of our Eastern neighbors.

 It's not really "western culture" though. Most European countries restricted travel and instituted lockdowns to combat the first spike in the spring. It worked for them. Here in the US, we tried the same thing but we realistically can't shut down travel between states and due to people making covid a political thing, we had varying levels of response. We flattened things out but never really decreased. We just kind of went on cruise control and hot spots just shifted around the country. My reference to MAGA culture is the attittude that because mask wearing and social distancing isn't 100% effective, then we don't need to do it at all which is some real smooth brain, double digit IQ logic. Spain and other countries had retards out protesting masks just like we did (not to the same degree though). Europes issue now though are those same people who aren't taking it serious travelled to crowded places in August (that's generally the vacation month for most of Europe) so those people went to vacation hot spots, caught it, then brought it back to their home countries. That is why they're spiking now. It's not that EVERYONE became lax in following guidelines.

If you wanna say it's western culture because people have the freedom to be idiots... don't blame freedom, blame the idiots. 

 

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Good points.  Every nation on Earth has selfish, ignorant assholes.  Most are just wise enough not to let those same people dictate public health policy.  And so...here we are. 

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 It's not really "western culture" though. Most European countries restricted travel and instituted lockdowns to combat the first spike in the spring. It worked for them. Here in the US, we tried the same thing but we realistically can't shut down travel between states and due to people making covid a political thing, we had varying levels of response. We flattened things out but never really decreased. We just kind of went on cruise control and hot spots just shifted around the country. My reference to MAGA culture is the attittude that because mask wearing and social distancing isn't 100% effective, then we don't need to do it at all which is some real smooth brain, double digit IQ logic. Spain and other countries had retards out protesting masks just like we did (not to the same degree though). Europes issue now though are those same people who aren't taking it serious travelled to crowded places in August (that's generally the vacation month for most of Europe) so those people went to vacation hot spots, caught it, then brought it back to their home countries. That is why they're spiking now. It's not that EVERYONE became lax in following guidelines.

If you wanna say it's western culture because people have the freedom to be idiots... don't blame freedom, blame the idiots. 

 

social distancing and staying away from crowded places is very very effective.  

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 It's not really "western culture" though. Most European countries restricted travel and instituted lockdowns to combat the first spike in the spring. It worked for them. Here in the US, we tried the same thing but we realistically can't shut down travel between states and due to people making covid a political thing, we had varying levels of response. We flattened things out but never really decreased. We just kind of went on cruise control and hot spots just shifted around the country. My reference to MAGA culture is the attittude that because mask wearing and social distancing isn't 100% effective, then we don't need to do it all which is some real smooth brain, double digit IQ logic. Spain and other countries had retards out protesting masks just like we did (not to the same degree though). Europes issue now though are those same people who aren't taking it serious travelled to crowded places in August (that's generally the vacation month for most of Europe) so those people went to vacation hot spots, caught it, then brought it back to their home countries. That is why they're spiking now. It's not that EVERYONE became lax in following guidelines.

If you wanna say it's western culture because people have the freedom to be idiots... don't blame freedom, blame the idiots. 

 

In Europe their summer travel was among people that were traveling from countries that had low numbers, to other countries that had low numbers.  How did they all of a sudden catch it, if there were low numbers everywhere?

They caught it because they became lax.  They stopped distancing, and they stopped wearing masks, and they started interacting with more humans, not because they were deliberately exercising their freedoms, but because they were just getting sick and tired of it, and they convinced themselves they'd beaten it and it wasn't ever going to happen to them again.  Because they're accustomed to having more freedom, because they're from Western cultures.

I have an expat friend that lives in the Czech Republic, and back in July he was posting to social media about how he was so glad that he'd left the USA because the USA was full of MAGA idiots, and that in the Czech Republic they'd beaten COVID and life was completely back to normal.  He posted pictures of himself and his partner in bars and restaurants, with not one single mask anywhere.  Not because of "muh rights" but because they were so certain they'd beaten it, while all the dummies in America were busy having maskless protests.  Three months later, and Czech is on the exact same case trajectory as the rest of Europe.  Wow, I'm completely shocked.  I was assured back in July that they had beaten it.

Fortunately for most of Europe, the second wave death totals are much lower.  I sincerely hope that continues for them.

 

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In Europe their summer travel was among people that were traveling from countries that had low numbers, to other countries that had low numbers.  How did they all of a sudden catch it, if there were low numbers everywhere?

They caught it because they became lax.  They stopped distancing, and they stopped wearing masks, and they started interacting with more humans, not because they were deliberately exercising their freedoms, but because they were just getting sick and tired of it, and they convinced themselves they'd beaten it and it wasn't ever going to happen to them again.  Because they're accustomed to having more freedom, because they're from Western cultures.

I have an expat friend that lives in the Czech Republic, and back in July he was posting to social media about how he was so glad that he'd left the USA because the USA was full of MAGA idiots, and that in the Czech Republic they'd beaten COVID and life was completely back to normal.  He posted pictures of himself and his partner in bars and restaurants, with not one single mask anywhere.  Not because of "muh rights" but because they were so certain they'd beaten it, while all the dummies in America were busy having maskless protests.  Three months later, and Czech is on the exact same case trajectory as the rest of Europe.  Wow, I'm completely shocked.  I was assured back in July that they had beaten it.

Fortunately for most of Europe, the second wave death totals are much lower.  I sincerely hope that continues for them.

 

What happens here and over there, to piggyback off of this, is that both Europe and the US were so eager to spike the football on COVID. The moment numbers start dropping back down, people are screaming to open back up and eager to declare that it was overblown. Europe was way more strict than we were after watching Italy fell apart for a brief time and even they are having trouble again. What that tells me is that COVID is going to be a problem until a vaccine is available. Especially since it is beginning to be accepted that a person can have multiple infections AND we still don't have a conclusive reason as to why some healthy people have so much trouble with the virus. The medical community is pretty unanimous on which preexisting conditions greatly increase the risk of hospitalization and death, but when it comes to healthy people, it is still a mystery. They made some discoveries regarding blood type, but the medical community still isn't close to a consensus on it.

The second wave in New Zealand should have been enough for a reasonable person to conclude that we can't beat this completely until it is eradicated with a vaccine. A small island with very restrictive points of entry with very restrictive protocols that had gotten their cases down to literally zero and held at zero for a long time after opening back up fully had a second wave. As long as a virus has a host, it will have the potential to spread. As long as there are people are running around like the last 7 months never happened, the virus will not only spread, but "innocent bystanders" who have been following protocols the entire time will continue to have a non-zero chance at getting it from someone acting selfishly. Our only hope is an effective vaccine that has an extremely low rate of side effects.

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I think the autumnal weather is here for good later this week.  We have a few days touching 90 this week.  If the heat is gonna beat this thing, this is our last stand until April.  Help us October warm front; you’re our only hope.  
maybe the October Surprise will be the October Miracle.  
 

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I think the autumnal weather is here for good later this week.  We have a few days touching 90 this week.  If the heat is gonna beat this thing, this is our last stand until April.  Help us October warm front; you’re our only hope.  
maybe the October Surprise will be the October Miracle.  
 

Then there's this, from yesterday's numbers:

"Ten states Friday reported their highest one-day case counts: Colorado, Idaho, Indiana, Minnesota, New Mexico, North Carolina, North Dakota, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming, according to Johns Hopkins."

Only 10 states though.

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The bottom line is the US used to lead the world in dealing with this kind of stuff. Instead since trump is the president we shit our pants and the rest of the world gets to smell our shit stained pants.

Congrats trumpkins. 

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