CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[horn4life 3830]

Despite the defense of morons, and the endless whining about the press treating the Trump administration very, very badly here is the truth.

This administration made the problem MUCH MUCH WORSE with it's deconstruction of all the infrastructure to protect the US.  Why you might ask?  Our President is the smartest man ever placed on the earth on any subject.  Just ask any of his inner circle.

Well the Trump brain trust as of Friday, according to Trump's head of the Food and Drug Administration the US has tested..... wait for it.... 5,861 people!  What a fucking joke.  Dumb asses like GRhorn are would support the Trump administration if they told you to rub a cross mark in shit on your forehead as coronavirus protection.  It's easy to do, when you have wholeheartedly embraced so many prior lies, as truth. GRhorn has been trained over time to believe the unbelievable, and cry out political attack when simply faced with the truth regarding the pathertic efforts of the Trump administration.

5,861 is the total number tested by the Trump administration for the Coronavirus. That is complete and total incompetence for something we KNEW was going to get loose nearly two months ago.

(sadly this does not even mean 5,861 people were tested, as many have both nose and throat swabs sent in as separate tests) https://www.businessinsider.com/us-cdc-conducted-fewer-than-6000-coronavirus-tests-2020-3?utm_source=yahoo.com&utm_medium=referral

 

 

 

 

The one thing I will plea everyone here to do going forward.  Give local small businesses your money.  They do not have the luxury of having the profits of another location to offset their losses. Often they have very little in reserves and a couple bad months can shut them down.  So give them your patronage rather than the chains and help your friends and neighbors survive what is going to be a very tough slog looking ahead. If you do not, many of them will not survive.

 

Edited March 8, 2020 by horn4life

[Grade of D as in David 13255]

58 minutes ago, Jive Turkey said:

 

That's because this is the plan. 

[Grade of D as in David 13255]

33 minutes ago, Nivek said:

They are about protecting the sanctity of life*.  

 

* = Those considered alive are excluded to <0.1% economic brackets, all forms of life are excluded from this protection.

They care about the "sanctity of life", just not actual lives.

 

[Goredho 17630]

55 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

I fucking shared the video to give a viewpoint that we’re not gonna descend into martial law. I never mentioned Trump. I should’ve just left the presentation out of CR. 

In this thread I’ve only mentioned Trump botching it. Mainly with messaging. I do think they should issue guidance against elderly traveling etc. There’s time to reverse that. 

As far as the agencies and their actual policies and guidelines coming out, they are evolving on an almost daily basis. People who work in healthcare know this. Hospital systems are updating staff on the same basis. We will get through this and I’m confident that resources will be allocated appropriately. 

I appreciate the share of the video.  It’s good information rooted in science, empiricism and reality.  I only wish our President seemed to agree with it as much as you do.

[Loco 3754]

 

And another cruise ship off of S Florida...  When are they going to shut cruises down?  Seems like a sensible idea...because history and what not

[Brisketexan 106665]

 
And another cruise ship off of S Florida...  When are they going to shut cruises down?  Seems like a sensible idea...because history and what not

I don’t know if THEY’VE shut them down, but I sure have. I wasn’t bucking to take a cruise before. I’ll NEVER take one now. They’re just big ole Petri dishes.

[GhostOfTomJoad 9490]

1 minute ago, Loco said:

 

And another cruise ship off of S Florida...  When are they going to shut cruises down?  Seems like a sensible idea...because history and what not

My dad & his wife just got back to CO from their annual month long winter stay in HI. He told me he was glad to be home, but it was going to be a quick turnaround because they're going on a Caribbean cruise in April. He's 75 and in so-so health. She's 67, has MS, and was clinically dead & resuscitated twice after cancer surgery 4 years ago. In other words, they're literally taking the biggest unnecessary risk they possibly could right now. The only thing is, she's too much of a bitch to die. Maybe this is her way of getting all of his money.

[washparkhorn 9968]

It is time to consider the impact of school closings. I know many in this social strata will be able to work from home. But for those who work out of the house (and cannot afford daycare) - closing schools will bring on severe hardship. 

And - it will severely impact the learning process for those kids, teens and young adults:

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2020/03/what-will-happen-if-us-schools-close-coronavirus/607621/

Edited March 8, 2020 by washparkhorn

[4th&Five 41908]

Plus a huge percentage of kids in this country actually count on school to get a meal they wouldn’t otherwise get. 
 

This thing is going to shine a big light on all of our shortcomings as a country. 

[Dnaguy 12582]

14 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

Plus a huge percentage of kids in this country actually count on school to get a meal they wouldn’t otherwise get. 
 

This thing is going to shine a big light on all of our shortcomings as a country. 

This should be the focus of the democratic platform.

this virus has exposed everything that’s wrong with the Republican platform:

1.) Healthcare that doesn’t actually cover everyone And leaves us all worse off b/c ppl can’t get care

2.) Economic policies that leave almost everyone but the top 1% screwed / on the edge just waiting for an event beyond everyone’s control to throw them down the rungs of the economic ladder. Ppl who can’t afford / aren’t allowed to take a week off of work to get better.

3.) Gutting government to the point it can’t keep its citizens safe 

4.) Pro life... unless you’re outside the womb. 

Edited March 8, 2020 by Dnaguy

[Aqua Buddha 14783]

Wait until this hits small town olds and they realize how rural health has been completely gutted.

[Brisketexan 106665]

This should be the focus of the democratic platform.
this virus has exposed everything that’s wrong with the Republican platform:
1.) Healthcare that doesn’t actually cover everyone And leaves us all worse off b/c ppl can’t get care
2.) Economic policies that leave almost everyone but the top 1% screwed / on the edge just waiting for an event beyond everyone’s control to throw them down the rungs of the economic ladder. Ppl who can’t afford / aren’t allowed to take a week off of work to get better.
3.) Gutting government to the point it can’t keep its citizens safe 
4.) Pro life... unless you’re outside the womb. 

You know, this is strong. Our system is utterly unequipped for something like this, from top to bottom.
I was even thinking about all the prepping/stockpiling people around here have mentioned doing. Great, we have the means to buy 1 month worth of groceries. Tens of millions of Americans only get grocery money when they get paid every two weeks, and even then, the money doesn’t carry them through those two weeks. They don’t have stockpiles - they have bare pantries. Tell them they can’t work, and it won’t matter whether stores are open or not - they will run out of food, quickly.
We have zero margin for error...and we’re about to see all of our errors come together at once.

[conVINCEd 21477]

5 minutes ago, Dnaguy said:

This should be the focus of the democratic platform.

this virus has exposed everything that’s wrong with the Republican platform:

1.) Healthcare that doesn’t actually cover everyone And leaves us all worse off b/c ppl can’t get care

2.) Economic policies that leave almost everyone but the top 1% screwed / on the edge just waiting for an event beyond everyone’s control to throw them down the rungs of the economic ladder. Ppl who can’t afford / aren’t allowed to take a week off of work to get better.

3.) Gutting government to the point it can’t keep its citizens safe 

4.) Pro life... unless you’re outside the womb. 

5.  Science, schmience.  

[Message Board User 12405]

It would be fascinating if Trump approaches the House, hat in hand, asking for a bailout.

There is no doubt in my mind that if the situations were reversed (Democratic president in an election year, GOP controlled House) that the GOP would never in a million years do a similar bailout because it would help the re-election chances of the president.

 

[Queen Bitch 1692]

Socialism to get re-elected to own the libs!

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

2 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

It would be fascinating if Trump approaches the House, hat in hand, asking for a bailout.

There is no doubt in my mind that if the situations were reversed (Democratic president in an election year, GOP controlled House) that the GOP would never in a million years do a similar bailout because it would help the re-election chances of the president.

 

IMO in some ways, it is worse for the Democratic Party w/ respect to the fallout of this entire four year debacle that has culminated in the pandemic response. Were the Democratic politicians to approve a bailout, it will be promoted as Trump's saving the country and when the bill comes due and the economy takes it's downward dip, it will be attributed to the President in office who will, barring additional interference, be a Democrat. This would be compounded by McConnell blockading every single thing that would affect an economic recovery that he could muster. Thus ensuring that after spending four to eight years cleaning up the mess from 2016, the GOP would have marshalled enough $$ and propaganda to install the smarter more evil version of a dictator.

If the Democratic members oppose a bailout, they will be painted in a similarly disastrous light and it would endanger any of their House/Senate and other election strategies.

Their response to any WH proposals requires substantive measured thought as to different scenarios. I'm not confident but I am hopeful. Given the nature and demographics of the voting populace, I will undoubtedly be disappointed.

[Message Board User 12405]

 

[TexArcher 38828]

30 minutes ago, Message Board User said:

It would be fascinating if Trump approaches the House, hat in hand, asking for a bailout.

There is no doubt in my mind that if the situations were reversed (Democratic president in an election year, GOP controlled House) that the GOP would never in a million years do a similar bailout because it would help the re-election chances of the president.

Trump will let the economy go to shit and try to blame it on Bernie Sanders before he asks for a bailout.

His family and friends are going to be fine regardless.  Hell, he's probably on the phone with hedge fund managers right now trying to figure out which stocks will take it up the ass the hardest so they can all short them.

He will be fine and his money will be fine and fuck the rest of us.

[Goredho 17630]

1 hour ago, Dnaguy said:

This should be the focus of the democratic platform.

this virus has exposed everything that’s wrong with the Republican platform:

1.) Healthcare that doesn’t actually cover everyone And leaves us all worse off b/c ppl can’t get care

2.) Economic policies that leave almost everyone but the top 1% screwed / on the edge just waiting for an event beyond everyone’s control to throw them down the rungs of the economic ladder. Ppl who can’t afford / aren’t allowed to take a week off of work to get better.

3.) Gutting government to the point it can’t keep its citizens safe 

4.) Pro life... unless you’re outside the womb. 

This is a good list, and since we are in a cross posting from the DT sort of mood lately, I’m going to drop here what I think should be #5 on your list: the GOP has failed the nation in one of the most core concepts of our constitution — providing for the common defense.

To me, the ability to effectively respond to a global pandemic to protect our citizens would be part of “providing for the common defense” outlined in the constitution.  Global pandemics are a potentially existential threat to us.  Not viably defending us from such a threats is a violation of the most basic agreement between a people and their government — you exist to help protect us from dangers we could not face as individuals.

 

[Message Board User 12405]

 

[4th&Five 41908]

Meanwhile 

 

[Aqua Buddha 14783]

1 hour ago, Message Board User said:

It would be fascinating if Trump approaches the House, hat in hand, asking for a bailout.

There is no doubt in my mind that if the situations were reversed (Democratic president in an election year, GOP controlled House) that the GOP would never in a million years do a similar bailout because it would help the re-election chances of the president.

 

Corporate bailout but everyone has to pay out of pocket for testing?  Fuck that.

[washparkhorn 9968]

54 minutes ago, Mrs Whiggins said:

IMO in some ways, it is worse for the Democratic Party w/ respect to the fallout of this entire four year debacle that has culminated in the pandemic response. Were the Democratic politicians to approve a bailout, it will be promoted as Trump's saving the country and when the bill comes due and the economy takes it's downward dip, it will be attributed to the President in office who will, barring additional interference, be a Democrat. This would be compounded by McConnell blockading every single thing that would affect an economic recovery that he could muster. Thus ensuring that after spending four to eight years cleaning up the mess from 2016, the GOP would have marshalled enough $$ and propaganda to install the smarter more evil version of a dictator.

If the Democratic members oppose a bailout, they will be painted in a similarly disastrous light and it would endanger any of their House/Senate and other election strategies.

Their response to any WH proposals requires substantive measured thought as to different scenarios. I'm not confident but I am hopeful. Given the nature and demographics of the voting populace, I will undoubtedly be disappointed.

Agree. We are turning into a tinpot dictatorship.

[washparkhorn 9968]

1 hour ago, Dnaguy said:

This should be the focus of the democratic platform.

this virus has exposed everything that’s wrong with the Republican platform:

1.) Healthcare that doesn’t actually cover everyone And leaves us all worse off b/c ppl can’t get care

2.) Economic policies that leave almost everyone but the top 1% screwed / on the edge just waiting for an event beyond everyone’s control to throw them down the rungs of the economic ladder. Ppl who can’t afford / aren’t allowed to take a week off of work to get better.

3.) Gutting government to the point it can’t keep its citizens safe 

4.) Pro life... unless you’re outside the womb. 

big brain.

 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

9 minutes ago, washparkhorn said:

Agree. We are turning into a tinpot dictatorship.

We're essentially there save for the results of November. When one makes a list isn't the only item remaining left unchecked is the execution of political foes? (I haven't forgotten Khashoggi but as he was a journalist as opposed to say Speaker of the House, his murder would be a separate item.)

It sounds extreme, but the reality is that it is much more like Russian 'democracy' that we should care to admit. A semblance of freedom but inequality everywhere as the oligarchs rule and dissidents are silenced.

Edited March 8, 2020 by Mrs Whiggins
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[DixonHur 11943]

I'm watching a Serie A (Italian professional soccer) match without anyone in the stands, and it's weird as fuck.  So quiet.

Welcome to the foreseeable future.

[Degenerate Gardner 4135]

2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

I don’t know if THEY’VE shut them down, but I sure have. I wasn’t bucking to take a cruise before. I’ll NEVER take one now. They’re just big ole Petri dishes.

Truth. Cruises are the vacation equivalent of visiting Chuck E Cheese. Who would want to be quarantined with phlegm and Phlegm?

Edited March 8, 2020 by Degenerate Gardner

[FORTY NINE TO ZERO 2649]

It’s crazy to me how this virus is political. Every trumper calling it fake news and just a standard flu. Hell look at the tigerdroppings political site.  
 

the politics behind it are going to be an interesting case study in a few years. 

[Degenerate Gardner 4135]

State of Oregon declares State of Emergency. Probably to make Trump look bad.

https://www.kdrv.com/content/news/State-of-Emergency-declared-for-Oregon-due-to-COVID-19-568609661.html

 

He's really going to lose his shit when it hits a swing state.

Edited March 8, 2020 by Degenerate Gardner

[BrickHorn 18426]

20 minutes ago, Xian said:

It’s crazy to me how this virus is political.

It’s political because our chief executive is an incompetent menace.  He’s vain, desperately stupid, and malignantly defensive.  His moron cultists follow his cues.  Three years into this Orwellian farce, they’re conditioned to react to any bad news with belligerent denial.  They must destroy the truth because the truth reveals their persistent stupidity. This virus is no different.  Except that many of the loudest propagandists will choke to death on the very illness they deny.  

[Nivek 17350]

2 hours ago, Brisketexan said:

You know, this is strong. Our system is utterly unequipped for something like this, from top to bottom.
I was even thinking about all the prepping/stockpiling people around here have mentioned doing. Great, we have the means to buy 1 month worth of groceries. Tens of millions of Americans only get grocery money when they get paid every two weeks, and even then, the money doesn’t carry them through those two weeks. They don’t have stockpiles - they have bare pantries. Tell them they can’t work, and it won’t matter whether stores are open or not - they will run out of food, quickly.
We have zero margin for error...and we’re about to see all of our errors come together at once.

Wait, are you telling me that our society and right leaning government which encourages minimum payments, little savings is a problem?  I am sure the republicans will bail out individuals who suffer right?  

[GhostOfTomJoad 9490]

Just as OJ searched for the killers while golfing, dotard is doing the same with covid-19.

 

 

[GRHorn 105]

3 hours ago, Message Board User said:

It would be fascinating if Trump approaches the House, hat in hand, asking for a bailout.

There is no doubt in my mind that if the situations were reversed (Democratic president in an election year, GOP controlled House) that the GOP would never in a million years do a similar bailout because it would help the re-election chances of the president.

 

The airlines are gonna be bailed out or receive major aid in some fashion. Book it. 

[conVINCEd 21477]

1 minute ago, GRHorn said:

The airlines are gonna be bailed out or receive major aid in some fashion. Book it. 

So will the hotels.  Book it twice.

[Hank Scorpio 17924]

Has anyone ever followed up with any of Ben Carson’s former patients? I know everyone says he’s this brilliant surgeon, but are we sure there aren’t a bunch of maimed children walking around who he used a steak knife on to do brain surgery. 

[Mo Horn 8933]

2 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said:

Has anyone ever followed up with any of Ben Carson’s former patients? I know everyone says he’s this brilliant surgeon, but are we sure there aren’t a bunch of maimed children walking around who he used a steak knife on to do brain surgery. 

Who do you think makes up the majority of Trump supporters? 

[BrickHorn 18426]

The only thing missing from this timeline is Trump giving a speech in Congress to say that Luke Wilson is the smartest man in the world and will fix all of our problems. 

Edited March 8, 2020 by BrickHorn

[Loco 3754]

10 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said:

I'm with Ben on this one.  I hope they turn out in droves and continue to turn out... just to own the libs

[conVINCEd 21477]

7 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

Who do you think makes up the majority of Trump supporters? 

Then they should be encouraged to go the klan rallies.

[henrygandorf 29223]

16 minutes ago, Hank Scorpio said:

Has anyone ever followed up with any of Ben Carson’s former patients? I know everyone says he’s this brilliant surgeon, but are we sure there aren’t a bunch of maimed children walking around who he used a steak knife on to do brain surgery. 

eh, carson's with hud, right?  who cares what he has to say about anything in the medical field?

the plan is working.

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

29 minutes ago, conVINCEd said:

So will the hotels.  Book it twice.

Trump hotels? Sure and with extra AAA Four star grift. Gordon Sondland's hotels? He may have to do a lot of sucking up to get back to that level of favor.

[GRHorn 105]

5 hours ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

Walk me through that confidence...I see a commander in chief consistently downplaying the gravity of this situation who has gutted the departments that should typically take charge during these events and hurriedly put someone in charge that probably thinks you can pray away the gay.

Explain your confidence.

To quote Winston Churchill, “You can always count on Americans to do the right thing, after they’ve tried everything else.”

I believe this administration and the career bureaucrats in CDC and NIH have tried everything they can to hold out of massive shutdowns throughout society if at all possible. The economic and societal fallout of these things will be massive if we have to do it so I can understand why they’re to be avoided if possible. We’ll know in a week or two what really needs to be done, but we can ramp up. Just a month ago Trump put limits on travel to China and there were plenty of think pieces about how that was counterproductive. So let’s not act like everyone has been on the same page here. It’s a fluid situation. 

 On the local level at the actual facilities people go to for care, things are already happening.  I see them. I see the intensity ramping. We have stockpiles of materials and smart people to decide where they can best be utilized. The infrastructure of how these people are triaged and cared for may evolve, but plans are already being made for that. 

In short, people in USA have more resources than anywhere and the healthcare system is not sitting with its dick in its hand. 

Plus I try to be an optimist. Life is better that way. 

[jimmyjazz 46990]

Once again, explain the Trump administration's refusal of WHO test kits in favor of a delayed development within our borders, which also happened to run into problems that caused further delays?

Just fucking address the point.

[Brisketexan 106665]

Once again, explain the Trump administration's refusal of WHO test kits in favor of a delayed development within our borders, which also happened to run into problems that caused further delays?
Just fucking address the point.

A trumpkin? Traffic in the world of reality? Pshaw.

[Guest Lobo]

Twice, Dr. Ben Carson as a representative of Trump's Covid-19 task force, says he prescribes to the American people to "if you are not healthy, think very seriously.."  That's his advice, stay home and think.  He just told Trump's target demographic to think very seriously for themselves.  What a novel fucking approach that is going to backfire horribly.  

[NIUHuskies 505]

So when will we see the Coronavirus fear be used to talk about the cancellation of the November election?

[GRHorn 105]

I’ll share these with y’all from one of the hospital systems where I work. I’m sure these kind of communications are going out all over the country. PCPs and ERs have been given guidance on these patients. They are being counseled on self quarantining and mitigation tactics. In short, the issue is being addressed and the freaking out about needing a million tests is unwarranted imo. It’s here. 
 

 

If things have to be elevated, they will be. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13050]

6 minutes ago, NIUHuskies said:

So when will we see the Coronavirus fear be used to talk about the cancellation of the November election?

Let me answer your question in the way Trump would tweet it:

ITS NOT A CRISIS' UNTIL I SAY IT IS A CRISIS!!!!!!!!!!! THIS IS A FAKE CRISIS' WITCH HUNT AND WHEN IT IS A PERFECT CRISIS' I WILL MAKE THE PERFECT CALL TO CANCEL THE ELECTIONS!!!!!!!!! SOME PEOPLE SAY I HAVE HANDLED THIS FAKE CRISIS PERFECTLY!!!!!

 

In other words, he has to wait for the crisis to become apparent even to his most loyal supporters and when it can no longer be denied, then he can swoop in and fake save everybody by canceling the elections. It may not work out that way, but it's a guess festival regardless.

[Gengs1 2583]

49 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Once again, explain the Trump administration's refusal of WHO test kits in favor of a delayed development within our borders, which also happened to run into problems that caused further delays?

Just fucking address the point.

I am sure one of trump buddies got the Contract to develop it, someone making a lot of money of Development  

[Francisco 2.0 32545]