CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[Neonmoon 38,130]

I've noticed the same people parroting the same talking points in various threads. Some for personal reasons, some for financial, some for political, but it's amazing to watch the similarities and narratives change as the pandemic increases

1. Calm Down, it's just the flu

2. The people causing panic are the real problem

3. Most people won't be affected by it

4. Go about your normal life unless you're above 60. It's okay to travel

5. The testing doesn't matter. It's a waste of resources. 

 

[jimmyjazz 47,137]

I saw a news blurb this morning that mentioned a lab in Cleveland (? I think) turned around a test in 9 days, that should reduce time to results from 3-4 days to 8 hours.

No comment on how hard it would be to put into production or how long it would take.

The point is, if the story is true, it's probably not exactly splitting the atom in terms of scientific difficulty.  We have plenty of labs that could crank something out.  If the government isn't going to leverage the efforts, though, then it doesn't matter.

[kevwun 16,437]

Abbott isn't giving Counties any guidance on what to do.  You can take that one as gospel.

[4th&Five 41,988]

What? The? Fuck?

 

[Zombie 284]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

I saw a news blurb this morning that mentioned a lab in Cleveland (? I think) turned around a test in 9 days, that should reduce time to results from 3-4 days to 8 hours.

No comment on how hard it would be to put into production or how long it would take.

The point is, if the story is true, it's probably not exactly splitting the atom in terms of scientific difficulty.  We have plenty of labs that could crank something out.  If the government isn't going to leverage the efforts, though, then it doesn't matter.

The upside to being the wealthiest nation on earth is that we have the brain power and resources to develop solutions quickly. Hopefully, as you mention, we can quickly mass produce these solutions. 

[Anastasis 23,717]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

I saw a news blurb this morning that mentioned a lab in Cleveland (? I think) turned around a test in 9 days, that should reduce time to results from 3-4 days to 8 hours.

No comment on how hard it would be to put into production or how long it would take.

The point is, if the story is true, it's probably not exactly splitting the atom in terms of scientific difficulty.  We have plenty of labs that could crank something out.  If the government isn't going to leverage the efforts, though, then it doesn't matter.

There is some variability in the procedures and the way the results are being interpreted across labs. Some take a positive at face value, others classify it as a presumptive positive and ship it out for confirmation. That’s extended into the turnaround times depending on which lab provider is being used. 

[Hank Scorpio 17,924]

 

[4th&Five 41,988]

It’s the onion but it’s true. 

 

[Goredho 17,650]

5 minutes ago, Royalfan5 said:

Isn't the most logical thing to do now is just to go on TV and say we've fucked this up so far, but from here on out there's a blank check for public health, and we're going to do whatever it takes to get ahead of it. If we need to roll out Army field hospitals, we will do it., need to deploy the Corps and CB's to build stuff, we'll do it, etc. 

Our President does not fuck up.  He unfailing delivers wins for America.  That these wins are unmitigated disasters is besides the point.  He is never wrong and never fails, and there is no need to change message or tactics.

[Doc Sam Beckett 5,903]

7 minutes ago, Royalfan5 said:

Isn't the most logical thing to do now is just to go on TV and say we've fucked this up so far, but from here on out there's a blank check for public health, and we're going to do whatever it takes to get ahead of it. If we need to roll out Army field hospitals, we will do it., need to deploy the Corps and CB's to build stuff, we'll do it, etc. 

What about the banks? What about the travel and hospitality industry? Who will think of the conglomerates? You're a real piece of shit to write a blank check for "public health," while simultaneously ignoring the job creators. Do you want all that wealth to continue trickling down or not? 

[Francisco 2.0 32,586]

12 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

I would at some point like to know the full story on CV tests.

I have pretty high confidence in our domestic biotech industry to respond to demand for such a test, quickly and accurately.  Even if there is no or a reduced profit motive, there is sufficient "hero" or PR factor that even the grimiest pimps of pharma should respond with alacrity (well not Shkreli obviously, but his ilk are not the ones with the capability).

Unless the industry isn't given what is needed (viral material, data from abroad).  Or is somehow precluded from developing tests.

This is a real wtf to me.

My totally worthless working theory:

The CDC was under pressure from the White House not to accept anything from the WHO or any other country; "America First" and all that shit.  WHO came up with a test in January, but we said no thanks.  It was around that time frame where the president was more interested in e-cigs and whatnot.

 

[Huckleberry 34,596]

29 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Page counts on the two threads implies that yours has been the minority view up to this point.  But we’d all be better off adopting your approach.

There's a significant percentage of posters who refuse to ever read the Cloak Room.

[Francisco 2.0 32,586]

Dee. Pee.

 

Edited March 12, 2020 by Francisco 2.0

[Doc Sam Beckett 5,903]

2 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

My totally worthless working theory:

The CDC was under pressure from the White House not to accept anything from the WHO or any other country; "America First" and all that shit.  WHO came up with a test in January, but we said no thanks.  It was around that time frame where the president was more interested in e-cigs and whatnot.

 

Lulz theory? 

[Francisco 2.0 32,586]

10 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

What? The? Fuck?

 

When you make up shit all the time, what's another story to spin to the faithful.  They will believe it.

[Pig Bellmont 8,884]

11 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

What? The? Fuck?

 

Biden said we should be a global leader 

[Francisco 2.0 32,586]

1 minute ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

Lulz theory? 

Probably.  But there's a segment of fact to this:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/06/coronavirus-testing-failure-123166

 

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On Saturday Jan. 11 — a month and a half before the first Covid-19 case not linked to travel was diagnosed in the United States — Chinese scientists posted the genome of the mysterious new virus, and within a week virologists in Berlin had produced the first diagnostic test for the disease.

Soon after, researchers in other nations rolled out their own tests, too, sometimes with different genetic targets. By the end of February, the World Health Organization had shipped tests to nearly 60 countries.

 

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The United States was not among them.

Why the United States declined to use the WHO test, even temporarily as a bridge until the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention could produce its own test, remains a perplexing question and the key to the Trump administration’s failure to provide enough tests to identify the coronavirus infections before they could be passed on, according to POLITICO interviews with dozens of viral-disease experts, former officials and some officials within the administration’s health agencies.

 

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But neither the CDC nor the coronavirus task force chaired by Vice President Mike Pence would say who made the decision to forgo the WHO test and instead begin a protracted process of producing an American test, one that got delayed by manufacturing problems, possible lab contamination and logistical delays.

“Please provide an explanation for why the Covid-19 diagnostic test approved by the World Health Organization was not used,” Sen. Patty Murray, the ranking Democrat on the Senate health committee, who represents the hard-hit state of Washington, asked in a 3½-page letter on the testing fiasco to Pence, Health Secretary Alex Azar, CDC director Robert Redfield, and Food and Drug Administration Commissioner Stephen Hahn.

So far, none has been provided.

 

[Doc Sam Beckett 5,903]

1 minute ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Probably.  But there's a segment of fact to this:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/06/coronavirus-testing-failure-123166

 

 

 

 

I mean, I don't think it's a theory at all. The Donald administration definitely told the CDC to ignore the WHO. 

[FORTY NINE TO ZERO 2,651]

22 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I saw a news blurb this morning that mentioned a lab in Cleveland (? I think) turned around a test in 9 days, that should reduce time to results from 3-4 days to 8 hours.

No comment on how hard it would be to put into production or how long it would take.

The point is, if the story is true, it's probably not exactly splitting the atom in terms of scientific difficulty.  We have plenty of labs that could crank something out.  If the government isn't going to leverage the efforts, though, then it doesn't matter.

Exactly what I am thinking. If all these little “shit hole” counties and even some small us counties can figure it out. It shouldn’t that hard for the cdc or even our local medical centers. 

Edited March 12, 2020 by Xian

[Biff Tannen 46,163]

7 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

Probably.  But there's a segment of fact to this:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/06/coronavirus-testing-failure-123166

 

 

 

 

This is fine.

[cactusflinthead 27,627]

29 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

I saw a news blurb this morning that mentioned a lab in Cleveland (? I think) turned around a test in 9 days, that should reduce time to results from 3-4 days to 8 hours.

No comment on how hard it would be to put into production or how long it would take.

The point is, if the story is true, it's probably not exactly splitting the atom in terms of scientific difficulty.  We have plenty of labs that could crank something out.  If the government isn't going to leverage the efforts, though, then it doesn't matter.

 

[ChuckNorrisActionJeans 2,692]

I knew post-impeachment that there'd be more Trump bullshit and fuckups to come. But this.....HOLY SHIT ... this willful, stupid malfeasance that is going to get thousands upon thousands killed.....should be punishable by execution. 

[gmr548 16,694]

Ohio closing all schools for 3 weeks starting Monday.
Mike DeWine isn't fucking around at all. 

That's because about 80 percent of Ohio is over thr age of 60.

Blue states leading the charge.

Let's be honest, they usually do. Red states are dependent on blue states' federal dollars and bitch about socialism with a straight face. Blue counties are like two thirds of GDP.

[lemonlime 5,503]

2 hours ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

Been championing Calexit for years now. Let's get this done

Not in Cali. But in a blue, donor state.  At this point I have no idea what staying in the union gets us.  Certainly not any actual protection.  Meanwhile I paying more than my share of taxes for the public services my state provides and which are actually helpful and also for a pointless wall, caging kids, and military misadventures. 

[Al Bundy's Napoleon Hand 13,624]

28 minutes ago, Doc Sam Beckett said:

I mean, I don't think it's a theory at all. The Donald administration definitely told the CDC to ignore the WHO. 

The press needs to relentlessly and repeatedly question every member of the administration on this at every possible opportunity.

[Pig Bellmont 8,884]

Republican governor Larry Hogan just closed all schools statewide for two weeks starting Monday 

Edited March 12, 2020 by Pig Bellmont

[4th&Five 41,988]

 

[Huckleberry 34,596]

Cy-Fair ISD, third largest in Texas by enrollment, officially extends spring break another week and closes all facilities.

[4th&Five 41,988]

MD closing all schools for 2 weeks.  Hot wheels must be stuck in a ditch somewhere.

[Jive Turkey 12,996]

28 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

 

with all the brain power at the world class hospitals in Houston and at UT-Southwestern in Dallas, i'd like to think we can do the same thing in Texas.  may not make Abbott happy since it could look like he doesn't support Dear Leader.

[DixonHur 11,959]

The moment you realize you're actively rooting for an epidemic to save the republic is so surreal.

This isn't about Trump anymore, per se.  This is literally science vs. conspiracy theories. 

 

[Anastasis 23,717]

5 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

Can progressives try to fix kids picking their nose and not washing their hands, because that might be actually useful. 

[Longhorn_Fan68 34,103]

right, it's the children's fault. stupid fucking children

Edited March 12, 2020 by Longhorn_Fan68

[Pig Bellmont 8,884]

With MD schools closed there is a ton of pressure on the federal government to mandate a telework policy

[Hiphopopotamos 21,189]

9 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Cy-Fair ISD, third largest in Texas by enrollment, officially extends spring break another week and closes all facilities.

Fort Bend ISD just closed schools for two more weeks (they are currently on spring break).

[Ted Lange 16,408]

 

 

[jimmyjazz 47,137]

10 minutes ago, Huckleberry said:

Cy-Fair ISD, third largest in Texas by enrollment, officially extends spring break another week and closes all facilities.

Holy crap, it's 2.5X as big as UT.  That's a lot of students.

[Ted Lange 16,408]

 

 

[Pig Bellmont 8,884]

1 minute ago, Ted Lange said:

 

 

Why are we reinventing the wheel? 

[Ted Lange 16,408]

Just now, Pig Bellmont said:

Why are we reinventing the wheel? 

I would love to know the answer to that too

[bolverk 30,320]

Just got this advisory from someone I must've given a card to at some point in the past:

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Following a call this afternoon with the Governor’s Office and based on recommendations and guidelines from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and Tarrant County Public Health, Mansfield Mayor David Cook has regretfully informed the Pickle Mansfield Society that their event scheduled for this weekend has been canceled.

“This cancellation of the St. Paddy’s Pickle Parade & Palooza includes all public events planned for Friday and Saturday in Historic Downtown Mansfield, and is absolutely necessary to protect the safety and welfare of our citizens, our employees and the public at-large,” said Mayor Cook.

 

Well, I guess Abbott is doing something, but I'm not sure this really warranted a phone call with the Governor's Office to make such a very tough decision. 

[Doc Sam Beckett 5,903]

2 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Why are we reinventing the wheel? 

You wanna get fuckin paid or not? 

[RPM 26,621]

1 minute ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Why are we reinventing the wheel? 

Because it will be a much more luxurious American wheel. Some big, burly doctors that look like they are straight out of Central Casting are saying it's the best most greatest wheel in history.

[jimmyjazz 47,137]

3 minutes ago, Ted Lange said:

 

 

Tom thinks this was grown in a lab and released as a biological weapon.

[Brisketexan 106,883]

2 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Tom thinks this was grown in a pizza parlor by Podesta and Hillary and released as a biological weapon by Soros solely to hurt Trump.

FIF Republican accuracy.

Edited March 12, 2020 by Brisketexan

[TwiceHorn 32,074]

1 hour ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

My totally worthless working theory:

The CDC was under pressure from the White House not to accept anything from the WHO or any other country; "America First" and all that shit.  WHO came up with a test in January, but we said no thanks.  It was around that time frame where the president was more interested in e-cigs and whatnot.

 

Totally plausible.  But one might think the CDC and/or a US biotech would have obtained a WHO test and reverse engineered it or redeveloped it with improvements.

That's the fucking American way.  Something doesn't add up.

[Anastasis 23,717]

Just now, TwiceHorn said:

Totally plausible.  But one might think the CDC and/or a US biotech would have obtained a WHO test and reverse engineered it or redeveloped it with improvements.

That's the fucking American way.  Something doesn't add up.

Chinese way, imo. 

[Mdhorn 6,166]

1 hour ago, Neonmoon said:

I've noticed the same people parroting the same talking points in various threads. Some for personal reasons, some for financial, some for political, but it's amazing to watch the similarities and narratives change as the pandemic increases

1. Calm Down, it's just the flu

2. The people causing panic are the real problem

3. Most people won't be affected by it

4. Go about your normal life unless you're above 60. It's okay to travel

5. The testing doesn't matter. It's a waste of resources. 

 

6. Everybody's gotta die someday 

[Michael Knight 13,217]

Positive tests would hurt Donalds numbers

[Mo Horn 8,937]

7 minutes ago, Pig Bellmont said:

Why are we reinventing the wheel? 

Cause were Merica dammit. We ain't gonna use no worthless crap that isn't made right here in the U.S. of A. Does that answer your question you pinko commie?