CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[Disco Strangler 1,882]

How many of these fuckers goin to prison in the next three years?   Gonna be more than Trump’s 2016 circle of dipshits.  Hopefully Jared gets the Shawshank shower treatment.  

[conVINCEd 21,469]

19 minutes ago, Disco Strangler said:

How many of these fuckers goin to prison in the next three years?   Gonna be more than Trump’s 2016 circle of dipshits.  Hopefully Jared gets the Shawshank shower treatment.  

I was thinking American History X.

[Bama Chick 28,596]

Ah here we go, here we go, here we go.

[Bama Chick 28,596]

And Captain Crozier is a bigger hero than we knew.

[JimmyJames 12,271]

5 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Ah here we go, here we go, here we go.

 

Flailing about like a dumbass, seeking revenge against people who he believes disrespect him, and firing experts who know more than him because it makes him look bad. Par for the course.

This madness will continue as long as trump is president and frankly, it’s madness to think otherwise.

Enjoy your death and ruin trump supporting America. I certainly won’t. 

[deech 2,291]

Of course he's going to fire Fauci.  Fucking clown.

[Jack Straw 2,954]

40 minutes ago, Disco Strangler said:

How many of these fuckers goin to prison in the next three years?   

zero

[Bama Chick 28,596]

“What do you think about Fauci?” couldn’t be more Goodfellas unless he used his first name - “Whadda ya think of Tony?”.

When the mob boss starts soliciting opinions on you, make sure your life insurance is current. He’s looking for reasonable reasons to follow his own desire to have you to sleep with the fishes.

[jimmyjazz 46,124]

I caught Fauci's interview on CNN this morning . . . maybe Jake Tapper's show? 

At any rate, you could tell he was doing his level best to avoid rocking the boat, even though he wanted to.  I think the guy is a damn hero.  He knows he needs to be at the switch, and he's gonna swallow his pride and do whatever it takes to stay there.

His book is gonna be unbelievable.  He'll probably sign the deal this week, right after Trump fires him.

[Hookah Horns 3,083]

9 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

“What do you think about Fauci?” couldn’t be more Goodfellas unless he used his first name - “Whadda ya think of Tony?”.

When the mob boss starts soliciting opinions on you, make sure your life insurance is current. He’s looking for reasonable reasons to follow his own desire to have you to sleep with the fishes.

Yeah he's a goner. Probably has been since the facepalm. 

[workswithseed 2,110]

2 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Oh good. Circus mirror depictions of political philosophy.  Go ahead and do the two major parties next. 

I don't know sometimes if they want Trump to tell them to live in thier house for the rest of thier life till no one dies. 

I mean it's not too far from his description of libertarian.

[FondrenRoad 4,378]

2 hours ago, Anastasis said:

Oh good. Circus mirror depictions of political philosophy.  Go ahead and do the two major parties next. 

More like the actual application of libertarian policy. Check out the pondering the morality of quarantine regulation. Its hard to even get libertarians to consider the individual rights of people negatively affected by a sick individual that still "exercises his right" to go places.  These commons are already overwhelmed by selfish actors. 

Just like libertarians still focus on the individual right of the person who purchases a gun rather than the individual rights of those shot by one. Somehow we have millions of "illegal" guns in America, not a single one of which was sold illegally directly from a manufacturer.  Collectively, individual gun owners suck at holding onto their "legal" weapons.  These commons are already overhwelmed by selfish actors.

And libertarians are gutting regulations resulting in individual rights being damaged in food safety, water safety, and air safety.  These commons are already overwhelmed by selfish actors.

We are way past the tipping point on libertarian ideals. Time to reel them in a bit. We are a social species. 

Edited April 13, 2020 by FondrenRoad

[FondrenRoad 4,378]

3 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

I don't know sometimes if they want Trump to tell them to live in thier house for the rest of thier life till no one dies. 

I mean it's not too far from his description of libertarian.

Let the grown ups talk. Sit this one out.  You are confusing authoritarianism with socialism.  Libertarians have favored authoritarians in America for over 50 years. 

Edited April 13, 2020 by FondrenRoad

[pyrohornIII 4,820]

 

6 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

 

 

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

Smithfield is also now owned by the Chinese.

Interesting that Smithfield didn't take any US $ during the Ag bailout.   At least the first one.   But this will not only affect the US supply chain, but China's as well.  We are already seeing a glut of bacon due to restaurant orders going down.   So many pieces to this puzzle.  

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-china-smithfield-foods/usda-terminates-chinese-owned-smithfield-farm-aid-contract-idUSKCN1NL2BZ

[jw4381 3,094]

On 4/9/2020 at 4:32 PM, Lobo said:

Immamac must be so fucking proud to have his idol shit on the graves of actual POW's, one of whom was my uncle.  You are all traitorous pieces of shit.

What a sad commentary that your idol turned out to be such an average, average man.  

Average? I wish.

[Anastasis 23,484]

11 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

And libertarians are gutting regulations resulting in individual rights being damaged in food safety, water safety, and air safety.  These commons are already overwhelmed by selfish actors.

We are way past the tipping point on libertarian ideals. Time to reel them in a bit. We are a social species. 

LOL. The powerful libertarian cabal taking hold all over the nation and pissing in your water supply.  Sounds scary.  Also sounds imaginary. 

[FondrenRoad 4,378]

16 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

LOL. The powerful libertarian cabal taking hold all over the nation and pissing in your water supply.  Sounds scary.  Also sounds imaginary. 

Right now, we have the perfect libertarian President. He only acts in his own selfish interest. This should be your wet dream world. 

And you're still confused because you keep thinking in terms of a "cabal."  Instead, you are 330 million individuals behaving selfishly, and you elect individuals who act selfishly. I can piss in the Flint River. A small factory can dump a little bit of waste in. The commons can tolerate it until it can't when there are too many actors to continue letting them all selfishly dump waste in the river. 

Like I said, the tipping point is well in the rearview. Welcome to society.  Now maybe we can get you onboard with the idea that government represents the people and should belong to the people. 

Edited April 13, 2020 by FondrenRoad

[Anastasis 23,484]

5 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

Right now, we have the perfect libertarian President.

LOL. 

[FondrenRoad 4,378]

16 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

LOL. 

Lets see.

Focused on his individual right to self enrichment even when it damages the individual rights of others, and really the nation as a whole.  That's pretty much the first rule of Libertarian club. Most of y'all envy him because y'all fancy yourselves as the robber barons in Libertarian fantasy island rather than the peon workers. Check.

Gutted the EPA so individuals can pollute freely. Check.

Has done a pretty bang up job of allowing certain individuals to infringe on the rights of minorities and gay people.  Check.

Is currently implementing a textbook Libertarian response to a pandemic.  Check.

The rallies are just icing on the cake. Libertarians love authoritarians.  Check.

 

Edited April 13, 2020 by FondrenRoad

[Anastasis 23,484]

I see we got a real political scientist over here. 

[FondrenRoad 4,378]

15 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

I see we got a real political scientist over here. 

Nah. I'm just a realist. Your idealized view of libertarianism can't actually exist just like idealized communism can't exist.  And I've had enough conversations with you to understand that you don't give much thought to the rights of the millions of individuals that are damaged when other individuals inflict havoc on the commons. Its an oversight most idealist libertarians seem to make as well.  

Part of it is that you underestimate the selfishness of American culture.  Most Americans will consume everything they can just because they can. Individuals in many other cultures will stop on their own well before they hit their consumption limit.  

We used to be better. Now "greed is good" is our ethos and even the church is being consumed by the prosperity gospel.  This is no place for idealistic libertarianism. 

 

 

Edited April 13, 2020 by FondrenRoad

[Born to Run 6,569]

Evangelicals are the Pharisees of the 21st century.

In every way including bragging about prayer and piety. See that my pillow guy fuck head. Fuck that sinner.

Jesus knew what's up and he would have kicked that dude in the balls.
He would go WWE on your average mega church.
Christianity isn't the problem ...

[Cairn Horn88 8,283]

Now looka, I say, looka here.  In on page 300.  I'd like for this not to get to 400....virus-wise.

[Bama Chick 28,596]

Shot


Chaser

[Born to Run 6,569]

Shot


Chaser

Come on Ted!

[FondrenRoad 4,378]

6 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

Shot


Chaser

Her response is far too nice.  She should have laid into him.  Dems overall have also been far too nice.

Biden's best move on the campaign trail was calling someone full of shit when they were.  Direct individual attacks work for the GOP even when they are wrong. They will work for Dems too. 

Edited April 13, 2020 by FondrenRoad

[tchookem 3,905]

Shot


Chaser

Heaven forbid he actually own it. Gutless cunt.

[tx 3 putt 77,397]

all hat no cattle 

[henrygandorf 29,194]

2 hours ago, Bama Chick said:

“What do you think about Fauci?” couldn’t be more Goodfellas unless he used his first name - “Whadda ya think of Tony?”.

When the mob boss starts soliciting opinions on you, make sure your life insurance is current. He’s looking for reasonable reasons to follow his own desire to have you to sleep with the fishes.

yeah, we’ve entered the “make this look like an accident” and “start rehearsing 9-1-1 calls” phase of this. 

[FondrenRoad 4,378]

33 minutes ago, tx 3 putt said:

all hat no cattle 

When did Ted Cruz get a hat?

[DixonHur 11,364]

26 minutes ago, FondrenRoad said:

When did Ted Cruz get a hat?

[workswithseed 2,110]

6 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

That's a cap.

[PenelopeWitherspoon 19,142]

Are you sure?  Looks like MTA averages about 0.8 rides per day per capita, and BART is somewhat lower, about 0.6 rides per day per capita.  I admittedly no transportation expert, so I could be reading the numbers incorrectly, or just missing a huge chunk of transit.

You don't just have people on MTA. You have Metro North and LIRR and NJ Transit coming in.

There may be almost 9M people in NYC, but there are probably another 2 million that work here in NJ and CT. Nevermind all the tourists and other folks who are here.

And to be clear, NYC is MUCH more dense than SF. SF clocks in at just a smidge under 19k per square mile. NYC as a whole is at 28k per square mile.

Queens, where the outbreak is the worst, is 21k per square mile.

Manhattan is 72k per square mile.

[RPM 26,352]

1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

all Canadian no Texan 

fify

[DixonHur 11,364]

16 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

That's a cap.

Do you even dictionary, bro?

[workswithseed 2,110]

1 minute ago, DixonHur said:

Do you even dictionary, bro?

I figured someone would have said it.

[safe sex 11,746]

Another night, another 12 hours with the same N95 and "face shield" no matter how many patients I see. Will I get a modified OR gown or will it be a vaguely translucent paper smock? Either way, at least I'll have a little apron made of dollar store trash bag material to make sure I'm able to reuse the gowns!

We haven't come close to peaking in Texas. Stay the fuck indoors, regardless of what the governor says.

[deech 2,291]

How do you not bring up the social distancing displayed by the President's crew every night in his briefings when responding to Ted Cruz there?

[RPM 26,352]

1 hour ago, trauma babe said:

Another night, another 12 hours with the same N95 and "face shield" no matter how many patients I see.

Can you wear your own mask or do you have to use what they give you? 

[EMAWesome 101]

Okay, so I screwed up a decimal point somewhere in my math and fouled up my entire point.  So I will use a different analogy and instead of playing Rene Descartes I will instead play David Attenborough to make my point.

 

Every year millions and millions of wildebeests migrate across Africa following the rains in search of fresh grass to graze on.  Each year thousands and thousands of these wildebeests meet their end along this migration via lions, crocodiles, and other predators.  The majority of the eaten are old or sick wildebeest.  The wildebeest that finish the migration are rewarded with fresh grass to eat and the herd as a whole is strengthened.  Now the wildebeest could just stay where they are at at the start and avoid all the lions and crocodiles that are waiting ahead of them.  However they know that there is no grass to eat where they are at and they will all eventually starve (and the old and the sick will be the first to starve).

We are the wildebeest.  Coronavirus is the lions and crocodiles and the grass is the economy.  Fresh grass is an open, thriving economy.  Dead grass is the economy in its current state.   We can stay in the dead grass and keep the old and sick from being eaten by the crocodiles and lions.  However the entire herd is eventually going to metaphorically starve by doing so (starving being a metaphor for poverty).  And the old and the sick will be among the first to fall down this mineshaft of poverty our present actions are putting us on a course for.  We are trying to save the old and the sick by starving the entire herd which will result in the old and the sick being among the first to die anyway.  This completely defies logic.

[RPM 26,352]

So you want death panels for olds. Got it.

[DixonHur 11,364]

4 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

Okay, so I screwed up a decimal point somewhere in my math and fouled up my entire point.  So I will use a different analogy and instead of playing Rene Descartes I will instead play David Attenborough to make my point.

 

Every year millions and millions of wildebeests migrate across Africa following the rains in search of fresh grass to graze on.  Each year thousands and thousands of these wildebeests meet their end along this migration via lions, crocodiles, and other predators.  The majority of the eaten are old or sick wildebeest.  The wildebeest that finish the migration are rewarded with fresh grass to eat and the herd as a whole is strengthened.  Now the wildebeest could just stay where they are at at the start and avoid all the lions and crocodiles that are waiting ahead of them.  However they know that there is no grass to eat where they are at and they will all eventually starve (and the old and the sick will be the first to starve).

We are the wildebeest.  Coronavirus is the lions and crocodiles and the grass is the economy.  Fresh grass is an open, thriving economy.  Dead grass is the economy in its current state.   We can stay in the dead grass and keep the old and sick from being eaten by the crocodiles and lions.  However the entire herd is eventually going to metaphorically starve by doing so (starving being a metaphor for poverty).  And the old and the sick will be among the first to fall down this mineshaft of poverty our present actions are putting us on a course for.  We are trying to save the old and the sick by starving the entire herd which will result in the old and the sick being among the first to die anyway.  This completely defies logic.

I understand your point, but we made the decision long ago as a species to care for our sick, old and wounded.  That's one of the main things that separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom.

Using the logic you've laid out, we might as well not have medical or pharmacological systems.  If you get sick and your immune system fails to stop you from dying, well, that's just nature.

Premature babies? Though luck.  Cancer? Sucks to be you. Wounded in battle?  Good luck, bro!

It's definitely an option, but one that would have far reaching consequences for as a society.  

I'd prefer changes to the economic structure that prevented people from going broke because of illness or temporary inability to work.  In other words, a social safety net for when things get tough. 

Think of it like the way our ancestors prepped for a long winter by storing grains, pickling veggies, and drying meats.  Not as good as fresh "grass", but it will get us through until the "crocodile" risk abates.

We need less greed, and more compassion.

[UDontKnow 10,447]

For those who are fans of Dr. Fauci

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=dr+fauci&crid=1907M91UNKNI&sprefix=dr+fa%2Caps%2C206&ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_5

It's a damn shame he doesn't get a cut of the profits because he deserves ever penny.

[JFKFC 4,891]

25 minutes ago, EMAWesome said:

Okay, so I screwed up a decimal point somewhere in my math and fouled up my entire point.  So I will use a different analogy and instead of playing Rene Descartes I will instead play David Attenborough to make my point.

 

Every year millions and millions of wildebeests migrate across Africa following the rains in search of fresh grass to graze on.  Each year thousands and thousands of these wildebeests meet their end along this migration via lions, crocodiles, and other predators.  The majority of the eaten are old or sick wildebeest.  The wildebeest that finish the migration are rewarded with fresh grass to eat and the herd as a whole is strengthened.  Now the wildebeest could just stay where they are at at the start and avoid all the lions and crocodiles that are waiting ahead of them.  However they know that there is no grass to eat where they are at and they will all eventually starve (and the old and the sick will be the first to starve).

We are the wildebeest.  Coronavirus is the lions and crocodiles and the grass is the economy.  Fresh grass is an open, thriving economy.  Dead grass is the economy in its current state.   We can stay in the dead grass and keep the old and sick from being eaten by the crocodiles and lions.  However the entire herd is eventually going to metaphorically starve by doing so (starving being a metaphor for poverty).  And the old and the sick will be among the first to fall down this mineshaft of poverty our present actions are putting us on a course for.  We are trying to save the old and the sick by starving the entire herd which will result in the old and the sick being among the first to die anyway.  This completely defies logic.

I'll make this easy for you. 

With no quarantine/ lockdown, the Imperial College London study had 2-4 Million dead just in the US.

Even if it was 1 Million dead, the hit on the economy would have been much worse than what we are going through now. 

We aren't protecting the robust at the expense of the fragile. We're doing the best thing for everyone. 

[UDontKnow 10,447]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-spends-easter-asking-confidants-what-do-you-think-of-fauci

Spoiler

On Sunday morning, Fauci appeared on CNN host Jake Tapper’s show and seemed to confirm aspects of a Saturday New York Times story (one that had apparently upset the president) that he and other officials had advocated imposing restrictions and social-distancing guidelines in February, but the Trump administration did not act on their advice until nearly a month later.

“We make a recommendation. Often the recommendation is taken. Sometimes it’s not. But it is what it is. We are where we are right now,” Fauci told the State of the Union anchor. When asked by Tapper whether lives could have been saved if Trump and other top officials had taken and announced those recommendations in February, the doctor responded, “It’s very difficult to go back and say that. I mean, obviously you could logically say that if you had a process that was ongoing and you started mitigation earlier, you could have saved lives. Obviously no one is going to deny that.”

Fauci’s comments did not go over well with certain officials working in the White House or on the president’s campaign, according to multiple aides, or with Trump supporters who are publicly protective of the president and his image. “Dr. Fauci needs to be more careful choosing his words on #Coronavirus, & if he’s going to be critical, make clear what he personally could’ve done better,” Jason Miller, a former senior Trump adviser, posted to Twitter on Sunday.

By Sunday afternoon, prominent Trump allies and surrogates were circulating links and documents showing how Fauci had been inconsistent or made faulty predictions about the virus in recent months, encouraging each other to share them or use them as talking points, according to screenshots shared with The Daily Beast.

And by Sunday evening, the president had already quote-tweeted a post calling on him to “#FireFauci” over the CNN interview. 

 

[RPM 26,352]

Firing Fauci might be the straw that breaks the GOP back.

[UDontKnow 10,447]

6 minutes ago, RPM said:

Firing Fauci might be the straw that breaks the GOP back.

I hate to see the Good Doctor go out like that. But he's 79 years old and if his role as the sacrificial lamb gets Trump out of the White House, it might become the greatest achievement of his decorated career. 

Regardless, I salute Dr. Fauci for his performance under duress and for being a role model to all physicians.

[deech 2,291]

32 minutes ago, RPM said:

Firing Fauci might be the straw that breaks the GOP back.

Right - this firing is going to be the thing that forces Moscow Mitch and the Senate GOP to start to do what is in the best interest of the country.

LOL

 

LOL

 

LOL  

[UDontKnow 10,447]

4 minutes ago, deech said:

Right - this firing is going to be the thing that forces Moscow Mitch and the Senate GOP to start to do what is in the best interest of the country.

LOL

 

LOL

 

LOL  

I'm fairly certain @RPM was referring to the GOP being voted out of the Senate and the White House and not party reform.

[deech 2,291]

3 minutes ago, UDontKnow said:

I'm fairly certain @RPM was referring to the GOP being voted out of the Senate and the White House and not party reform.

That makes so much more sense.  It's late.  My fault.