CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[DixonHur 11,304]

1 hour ago, RPM said:

Firing Fauci might be the straw that breaks the GOP back.

Sadly, I doubt it. 

He could fire Jesus and half the country, would crow about how it's about time someone showed that long-haired hippie he can't just cruise through life on his father's name.

[safe sex 11,725]

Can you wear your own mask or do you have to use what they give you? 

Bedside nurses are allowed to bring in cloth masks to wear over surgical masks if they want, but they're forbidden from wearing their own self-sourced PPE because it will be unfair to those who are unable to procure supplies for themselves.  

 

I'm not aware of restrictions on advanced providers, but I know I wouldn't wear my own N95 in front of a bedside nurse taking care of a COVID patient. That's a fucking slap to their face.

 

 

 

[NWBuck 8,565]

2 hours ago, DixonHur said:

Sadly, I doubt it. 

He could fire Jesus and half the country, would crow about how it's about time someone showed that long-haired hippie he can't just cruise through life on his father's name.

Given that he was brown and poor and protested against faith based capitalism, you're probably more than right. 

[Mrs Whiggins 13,050]

4 hours ago, EMAWesome said:

Okay, so I screwed up a decimal point somewhere in my math and fouled up my entire point.  So I will use a different analogy and instead of playing Rene Descartes I will instead play David Attenborough to make my point.

 

Every year millions and millions of wildebeests migrate across Africa following the rains in search of fresh grass to graze on.  Each year thousands and thousands of these wildebeests meet their end along this migration via lions, crocodiles, and other predators.  The majority of the eaten are old or sick wildebeest.  The wildebeest that finish the migration are rewarded with fresh grass to eat and the herd as a whole is strengthened.  Now the wildebeest could just stay where they are at at the start and avoid all the lions and crocodiles that are waiting ahead of them.  However they know that there is no grass to eat where they are at and they will all eventually starve (and the old and the sick will be the first to starve).

We are the wildebeest.  Coronavirus is the lions and crocodiles and the grass is the economy.  Fresh grass is an open, thriving economy.  Dead grass is the economy in its current state.   We can stay in the dead grass and keep the old and sick from being eaten by the crocodiles and lions.  However the entire herd is eventually going to metaphorically starve by doing so (starving being a metaphor for poverty).  And the old and the sick will be among the first to fall down this mineshaft of poverty our present actions are putting us on a course for.  We are trying to save the old and the sick by starving the entire herd which will result in the old and the sick being among the first to die anyway.  This completely defies logic.

Huh, so The Lion King, circle of life? You would have made your point in fewer words if you'd gone with 300 and just written, "This is Sparta!"

 

Scar: "Mufasa's death was a terrible tragedy; but to lose Simba, who had barely begun to live... For me it is a deep personal loss. So it is with a heavy heart that I assume the throne. Yet, out of the ashes of this tragedy, we shall rise to greet the dawning of a new era... in which lion and hyena come together, in a great and glorious future! "

 

I am a fan of David Attenborough and the BBC nature programs; but I disagree with your analogy.

[Wanker Bob 379]

Minneapolis Fed President thinks 18 months of rolling shutdowns lies ahead. 

[Bozo_Casanova 26,459]

4 hours ago, RPM said:

Firing Fauci might be the straw that breaks the GOP back.

Flash forward to 11/4/20:

”Ah! Well, nevertheless...”

[Bozo_Casanova 26,459]

9 hours ago, FondrenRoad said:

Right now, we have the perfect libertarian President. 

Seriously this is true. This is the fulfillment of Ayn Rand’s vision of the “ideal man.” It’s like when she wrote about William Hickman, that he had  "no regard whatsoever for all that society holds sacred, and with a consciousness all his own. He has the true, innate psychology of a Superman. He can never realize and feel 'other people.'"

[Nivek 16,929]

I'll never understand interest in Ayn Rand.  She was an idiot.   Her writing was shit and her ideas were worse. 

[TXSG8R 3,362]

5 hours ago, EMAWesome said:

Okay, so I screwed up a decimal point somewhere in my math and fouled up my entire point.  So I will use a different analogy and instead of playing Rene Descartes I will instead play David Attenborough to make my point.

 

Every year millions and millions of wildebeests migrate across Africa following the rains in search of fresh grass to graze on.  Each year thousands and thousands of these wildebeests meet their end along this migration via lions, crocodiles, and other predators.  The majority of the eaten are old or sick wildebeest.  The wildebeest that finish the migration are rewarded with fresh grass to eat and the herd as a whole is strengthened.  Now the wildebeest could just stay where they are at at the start and avoid all the lions and crocodiles that are waiting ahead of them.  However they know that there is no grass to eat where they are at and they will all eventually starve (and the old and the sick will be the first to starve).

We are the wildebeest.  Coronavirus is the lions and crocodiles and the grass is the economy.  Fresh grass is an open, thriving economy.  Dead grass is the economy in its current state.   We can stay in the dead grass and keep the old and sick from being eaten by the crocodiles and lions.  However the entire herd is eventually going to metaphorically starve by doing so (starving being a metaphor for poverty).  And the old and the sick will be among the first to fall down this mineshaft of poverty our present actions are putting us on a course for.  We are trying to save the old and the sick by starving the entire herd which will result in the old and the sick being among the first to die anyway.  This completely defies logic.

So the new slogan is "all life is sacred, unless it fucks with my 401k."  

 

[SmokeyTheBear 5,562]

5 hours ago, EMAWesome said:

 This completely defies logic.

Can we get a mod to just post the quoted anytime emaw posts. Would make way more sense than any drivel he comes up with. 

[TexArcher 37,774]

3 hours ago, DixonHur said:

He could fire Jesus

Jesus would never get hired by this administration.  If he tried to come to America today, he'd land in a detention center and sleep under an aluminum foil blanket with all the other dirty browns.

[wildcat09 29,354]

8 hours ago, FondrenRoad said:

Her response is far too nice.  She should have laid into him.  Dems overall have also been far too nice.

Biden's best move on the campaign trail was calling someone full of shit when they were.  Direct individual attacks work for the GOP even when they are wrong. They will work for Dems too. 

The GOP quite literally wants voters to drown in their own blood and Dems are still like “oopsie looks like we’ve got a teensy misunderstanding, let me clarify!” It’s fucking infuriating.

[workswithseed 2,104]

3 minutes ago, Nivek said:

I'll never understand interest in Ayn Rand.  She was an idiot.   Her writing was shit and her ideas were worse. 

Apparently people like her.

[TXSG8R 3,362]

8 hours ago, FondrenRoad said:

Her response is far too nice.  She should have laid into him.  Dems overall have also been far too nice.

Biden's best move on the campaign trail was calling someone full of shit when they were.  Direct individual attacks work for the GOP even when they are wrong. They will work for Dems too. 

I think thats her M.O., kill them with kindness.  There was an article about her recently that talked about it.  I thought it was fine, it showed Ted is a fucking idiot and put the ball in his court to either deny it and look worse, or apologize, and make her look better.  

[Tuco 5,076]

5 hours ago, DixonHur said:

I understand your point, but we made the decision long ago as a species to care for our sick, old and wounded.  That's one of the main things that separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom.

 

People who like to apply some twisted form of social darwinism to the human species often ignore animal behavior which appear compassionate and selfless.  Bee drones aren't in it for themselves.  Primates exhibit communal care of young.  It's not just about the individual, but the group.  Our own form of compassion, often attributed to some higher purpose, is likely hardwired into our DNA as an evolutionary fiat.  And certainly in this instance it gives our species an advantage in survival.  It allows us to work together, burden some minor sacrifices, for the good of the species as a whole.  

EMAW, as usual, is spouting nonsense that he thinks has some logical basis.  It doesn't.  Wildebeest migrate because it's a behavior that maximizes their numbers.  Failing to address a lethal pandemic would not maximize our numbers.  There is no moral or scientific basis for his idiocy.  

[wildcat09 29,354]

5 hours ago, EMAWesome said:

Okay, so I screwed up a decimal point somewhere in my math and fouled up my entire point.  So I will use a different analogy and instead of playing Rene Descartes I will instead play David Attenborough to make my point.

 

Every year millions and millions of wildebeests migrate across Africa following the rains in search of fresh grass to graze on.  Each year thousands and thousands of these wildebeests meet their end along this migration via lions, crocodiles, and other predators.  The majority of the eaten are old or sick wildebeest.  The wildebeest that finish the migration are rewarded with fresh grass to eat and the herd as a whole is strengthened.  Now the wildebeest could just stay where they are at at the start and avoid all the lions and crocodiles that are waiting ahead of them.  However they know that there is no grass to eat where they are at and they will all eventually starve (and the old and the sick will be the first to starve).

We are the wildebeest.  Coronavirus is the lions and crocodiles and the grass is the economy.  Fresh grass is an open, thriving economy.  Dead grass is the economy in its current state.   We can stay in the dead grass and keep the old and sick from being eaten by the crocodiles and lions.  However the entire herd is eventually going to metaphorically starve by doing so (starving being a metaphor for poverty).  And the old and the sick will be among the first to fall down this mineshaft of poverty our present actions are putting us on a course for.  We are trying to save the old and the sick by starving the entire herd which will result in the old and the sick being among the first to die anyway.  This completely defies logic.

If we as a society really fully bought in to your nazi "useless eater" rhetoric and decided we should kill the weak so that the rest of us could thrive, you'd be among the first ones to die. 

[gmr548 16,580]

How many of these fuckers goin to prison in the next three years?   Gonna be more than Trump’s 2016 circle of dipshits.  Hopefully Jared gets the Shawshank shower treatment.  

Zero.

[Brisketexan 105,139]

What I find hysterically awesome is that all it took for the Trumpers to become not just okay with death panels, but to decry any opposition to that approach as "unamerican," was money.  

Predictable as hell, but still hysterically awesome.

The Party of Trump has never, ever been "pro-life."  It's always just been a trojan horse issue that they hold up in front of them, so they can arguably claim some sort of moral standing.  They can't.  It's a lie. It always has been.  They are the party of wanting other people to die for their material gain.  That's the truth -- whether it be soldiers dying for their economic gain, or the vulnerable dying of COVID for their economic gain, or poor people living on the margins and dying every day so that they can cram another wad of cash into their pockets, that's what they stand for.  Don't ever, ever listen to what they say -- watch what they do.

[DixonHur 11,304]

Case in point, I got negged by Rougarou for saying "we need more compassion and less greed"...Trumpers are all about me not we.

[DixonHur 11,304]

15 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

Zero.

Actually, it will be a negative number since Trump will pardon some of the ones already in.

[hayden_horn 11,362]

6 hours ago, EMAWesome said:

Okay, so I screwed up a decimal point somewhere in my math and fouled up my entire point.  So I will use a different analogy and instead of playing Rene Descartes I will instead play David Attenborough to make my point.

 

Every year millions and millions of wildebeests migrate across Africa following the rains in search of fresh grass to graze on.  Each year thousands and thousands of these wildebeests meet their end along this migration via lions, crocodiles, and other predators.  The majority of the eaten are old or sick wildebeest.  The wildebeest that finish the migration are rewarded with fresh grass to eat and the herd as a whole is strengthened.  Now the wildebeest could just stay where they are at at the start and avoid all the lions and crocodiles that are waiting ahead of them.  However they know that there is no grass to eat where they are at and they will all eventually starve (and the old and the sick will be the first to starve).

We are the wildebeest.  Coronavirus is the lions and crocodiles and the grass is the economy.  Fresh grass is an open, thriving economy.  Dead grass is the economy in its current state.   We can stay in the dead grass and keep the old and sick from being eaten by the crocodiles and lions.  However the entire herd is eventually going to metaphorically starve by doing so (starving being a metaphor for poverty).  And the old and the sick will be among the first to fall down this mineshaft of poverty our present actions are putting us on a course for.  We are trying to save the old and the sick by starving the entire herd which will result in the old and the sick being among the first to die anyway.  This completely defies logic.

this is actually incredible insight into how trump people think. 

thank you for making this post. it shows how sociopathic trump thinking is.

[kevwun 15,788]

That's a hell of a Groucho Marx impersonation. 

Those are my principles, and if Trump doesn't like them...well I have others.

[jw4381 3,073]

1 hour ago, Nivek said:

I'll never understand interest in Ayn Rand.  She was an idiot.   Her writing was shit and her ideas were worse. 

This right here. It's unbelievable how much her followers have fucked this county up. I tried to get through Atlas Shrugged to see what all the hoopla was about, many years ago. It was terrible and I couldn't finish it. 

 

[wildcat09 29,354]

1 hour ago, workswithseed said:

Apparently people like her.

Yes, we're all aware that she wasn't the world's only sociopath.

[wildcat09 29,354]

1 hour ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Seriously this is true. This is the fulfillment of Ayn Rand’s vision of the “ideal man.” It’s like when she wrote about William Hickman, that he had  "no regard whatsoever for all that society holds sacred, and with a consciousness all his own. He has the true, innate psychology of a Superman. He can never realize and feel 'other people.'"

Bozo knows but for those who don't, William Hickman kidnapped, held for ransom, murdered, and dismembered a 12 year old girl. Ayn Rand idolized him for it. That's the modern GOP in a nutshell. 

[BrickHorn 18,234]

1 hour ago, Nivek said:

I'll never understand interest in Ayn Rand.  She was an idiot.   Her writing was shit and her ideas were worse. 

She’s the Joel Osteen of political philosophy. People want to be selfish and greedy.  So when someone comes along and preaches the virtue of sin, people latch onto it and convince themselves it’s some grand insight or genius.  In reality, it’s just a shitty person making money off telling other aspiringly shitty people that shittiness is a virtue.  

[FondrenRoad 4,378]

59 minutes ago, TXSG8R said:

I think thats her M.O., kill them with kindness.  There was an article about her recently that talked about it.  I thought it was fine, it showed Ted is a fucking idiot and put the ball in his court to either deny it and look worse, or apologize, and make her look better.  

He won't deny it or apologize. He will ignore it and it will go away. 

[TXSG8R 3,362]

1 minute ago, FondrenRoad said:

He won't deny it or apologize. He will ignore it and it will go away. 

Well thats the third option, making him shut up and go away while still looking like a fucking idiot.  Maybe not as gratifying as the first two, but still good.  Short of confronting him directly in the halls of congress, its not like she can really do much else.  

[4th&Five 41,550]

 

[YChang 3,444]

We need a neck brace for how quickly this president vacillate between "I'm in total control," to "oh no, it's the state's call on what to do."

[SmokeyTheBear 5,562]

SIAP

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/health/chloroquine-coronavirus-trump.html

Quote

A small study in Brazil was halted early for safety reasons after coronavirus patients taking a higher dose of chloroquine developed irregular heart rates that increased their risk of a potentially fatal heart arrhythmia.

 

[TXSG8R 3,362]

3 minutes ago, YChang said:

We need a neck brace for how quickly this president vacillate between "I'm in total control," to "oh no, it's the state's call on what to do."

Pretty simple flow chart.  Can it be held against him -> states.  Can he claim credit -> president.  

[hayden_horn 11,362]

8 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

hahaha this fuckin guy

[Hookah Horns 3,083]

11 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

There are no words. 

[Red Five 40,858]

I thought the federal government was a back-up. Weird. 

[kevwun 15,788]

14 minutes ago, YChang said:

We need a neck brace for how quickly this president vacillate between "I'm in total control," to "oh no, it's the state's call on what to do."

It's simple.  He takes credit for anything positive and blames the States for anything negative.

[Ghost of LL 15,531]

14 minutes ago, YChang said:

We need a neck brace for how quickly this president vacillate between "I'm in total control," to "oh no, it's the state's call on what to do."

It's the dichotomy that I pointed out last week.  He promised "I alone can fix it."  He delivered "I don't take any responsibility at all."

That's Donald Trump in a nutshell.

[4th&Five 41,550]

All the power without any of the responsibility.  

Edited April 13, 2020 by 4th&Five

[Todd Gack 432]

18 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

something something "states rights"

[Mo Horn 8,840]

He has never instituted a nationwide stay at home order. Thank God for governors and mayors that did. But, he can decide to override local leaders and open things up. Makes perfect sense. 

[henrygandorf 29,191]

30 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

translation - i didn’t close anything but i can open everything. and if the democrat governors defy me, then the economy is on them. and if the republican governors cause more people to get sick and die, then that’s also on them. 

but if things start going better, what has two thumbs and deserves all the credit?  this guy. 

[Francisco 2.0 32,392]

32 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

 

"States rights".

I think the GOP at one time or another has held up that standard.

 

[JohnnyRage 1,617]

6 hours ago, UDontKnow said:

For those who are fans of Dr. Fauci

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=dr+fauci&crid=1907M91UNKNI&sprefix=dr+fa%2Caps%2C206&ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_5

It's a damn shame he doesn't get a cut of the profits because he deserves ever penny.

I'm no @TwiceHorn, but how can Amazon even offer to host these up when they obviously use someone else's protected images and the likeness of Dr. Fauci?  Is the gravy train that biscuit filled?

[NameAlreadyInUse 5,112]

He's living the Republican dream with those latest tweets.  He wants to personalize the profits while socializing the losses.

[Pig Bellmont 8,718]

We need diagnostic testing and antibody testing + contact tracing if we ever want to get out of lockdown before a vaccine. So Trump, if you want to get this done - you know, instead of tweet about it, then fucking focus the power of the federal government on achieving it. Fucking coward. 

[Mo Horn 8,840]

 Meh, fuck the Constitution. It's just an old piece of paper... except that thing about guns. 

[jimmyjazz 45,948]

EMAW sees himself as a wildebeest who makes it to the fertile pastures.  The old, the weak, and the sick who don't make it?  Well, that's just the circle of life. 

Now, the moment he realizes he has become old, weak, or sick, he'll bleat about needing government support.  That's the reality of life.

[BrazilHorn 6,605]

10 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

 Meh, fuck the Constitution. It's just an old piece of paper... except that thing about guns. 

I think this is a case where if a President opted to shut down all domestic & international air travel, hold back highway funds from states, not allow access to emergency stock piles to states that didn't follow national guidelines etc that a President could "win" this point but it would be a Pyrrhic victory at best.

Trump has allowed states to have autonomy on shutting down etc throughout this process, not sure why when they reopen fucking matters to him.

Having a crazy narcissist for our country's leader is exhausting.

[SmokeyTheBear 5,562]

16 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

EMAW sees himself as a wildebeest who makes it to the fertile pastures.  The old, the weak, and the sick who don't make it?  Well, that's just the circle of life. 

Now, the moment he realizes he has become old, weak, or sick, he'll bleat about needing government support.  That's the reality of life.

Where do unborn babies fit within his analogy? 

Edited April 13, 2020 by SmokeyTheBear

[Ghost of LL 15,531]

26 minutes ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

 

"States rights".

I think the GOP at one time or another has held up that standard.

 

Bullshit they did.  The only "rights" the GOP has ever cared about the states having are those that are used to oppress minorities.