CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[kevwun 15788]

The second they are born, EMAW stops caring about their well-being.

[Francisco 2.0 32392]

1 minute ago, Ghost of LL said:

Bullshit they did.  The only "rights" the GOP has ever cared about the states having are those that are used to oppress minorities.

I was speaking in jest.

They (GOP) throw that term around all the time, until it's inconvenient to do so.  

[WBT 20570]

How many of the people saying Trump can't unilaterally open everything were calling for a national lock down 2-3 weeks ago?  Good times.

[Irieguy 1059]

4 minutes ago, WBT said:

How many of the people saying Trump can't unilaterally open everything were calling for a national lock down 2-3 weeks ago?  Good times.

Nothing inconsistent about those two positions. If Trump had instituted a national lockdown, he could remove it. Poor attempt at a gotcha, WBT. 

[FondrenRoad 4378]

8 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

EMAW sees himself as a wildebeest who makes it to the fertile pastures.  The old, the weak, and the sick who don't make it?  Well, that's just the circle of life. 

Now, the moment he realizes he has become old, weak, or sick, he'll bleat about needing government support.  That's the reality of life.

He also doesn't really know shit about wildebeests.  The herd provides societal protection for the weak.  They will fiercely protect their young in particular.  Some of the weakest and stragglers will be taken by predators, but the herd society is a net positive and allows the greatest number of wildebeests to survive.  They aren't intentionally kicking grandma into a lion's mouth.  They do as much as they can to keep the lion away from grandma. Sometimes it doesn't work out.

[TwiceHorn 31469]

1 hour ago, BrickHorn said:

She’s the Joel Osteen of political philosophy. People want to be selfish and greedy.  So when someone comes along and preaches the virtue of sin, people latch onto it and convince themselves it’s some grand insight or genius.  In reality, it’s just a shitty person making money off telling other aspiringly shitty people that shittiness is a virtue.  

There's that and the fact that communism and socialism, including the totalitarian variants, existed and were a real possibility in various parts of the world when she wrote.  A lot of kind of outre shit gained traction in that era.  Like the Nazi Party.  And even socialists or very liberal thinkers and authors, e.g. Orwell, produced some anti-socialist work in that era.  Further, people who had exposure to the Soviet reality tended or tend to go really hard the other way.

[hayden_horn 11362]

10 minutes ago, WBT said:

How many of the people saying Trump can't unilaterally open everything were calling for a national lock down 2-3 weeks ago?  Good times.

also, another wonderful insight into the thought processes of those who support trump. thanks for this post.

here's a hint: if trump says go to work, my employer still isn't going to open my office until shit is sorted. cities and states will still issue "guidance" and well-intentioned people will follow that.

as @Irieguy points out, this is a false dilemma. trump cannot necessarily rescind what he has not enacted.

also, trump should have been more of a leader and at least suggested social distancing, instituted a national policy probably at least 6 weeks ago. shit, austin was too late to the party, and yet we were one of the first here. when sxsw was cancelled, there was plenty of bitching, but in hindsight, it was eminently reasonable. same with school closure.

if trump wants to present himself as some kind of leader, he should've started 3 months ago when he first received advice on how to lead us in this pandemic. instead, he chose to try and preserve the economy and his reelection chances, instead of, you know, taking an actual leadership role to save lives.

[TwiceHorn 31469]

51 minutes ago, JohnnyRage said:

I'm no @TwiceHorn, but how can Amazon even offer to host these up when they obviously use someone else's protected images and the likeness of Dr. Fauci?  Is the gravy train that biscuit filled?

You assume that they are protected.  They may or may not be.  Might be in California, maybe also in Texas. As far as Fauci is concerned.  In some places, they're only protected to the extent they cast him in a negative light.

The copyrights to the photographs belong to the photographer or his/her employer, so that's an issue.

All that said, Amazon gives minimal fucks about IP. 

[F250 28774]

1 hour ago, TXSG8R said:

Pretty simple flow chart.  Can it be held against him -> states.  Can he claim credit -> president.  

This is exactly right and pretty much sums up everything Trump says as POTUS. He always attempts to take credit for things he didn't do and blame others for things he did do. Trump isn't motivated by any ideology and everything thing he does or says is for his benefit. Attempting to justify Trump's statements and positions any other way is a fool's errand.

The thing that blows my mind is that there are so many people willing to bend over backwards and justify his actions as POTUS.

I'm sure we have all been in situations in our career where we were requested to do or justify something retarded and we pushed back. Even when it's their job to toe the company line people refuse so why in the hell would people do this for free? Why put yourself in a mental pretzel to justify Trump's actions?

[F250 28774]

52 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

There's that and the fact that communism and socialism, including the totalitarian variants, existed and were a real possibility in various parts of the world when she wrote.  A lot of kind of outre shit gained traction in that era.  Like the Nazi Party.  And even socialists or very liberal thinkers and authors, e.g. Orwell, produced some anti-socialist work in that era.  Further, people who had exposure to the Soviet reality tended or tend to go really hard the other way.

Good point. Rand and her family were refugees from the Russian revolution which definitely skewed her perspective. She was a byproduct of the Soviet Union and her ideas were the meat and potatoes of the Cold War when Socialism was seen as simply Soviet expansion. It was a different time.

 

[PsychMike 1552]

1 hour ago, Mo Horn said:

 Meh, fuck the Constitution. It's just an old piece of paper... except that thing about guns. 

Good stuff. Got me to thinking I may have to put #10A in my Twitter profile.

[Brisketexan 105139]

3 minutes ago, PsychMike said:

Good stuff. Got me to thinking I may have to put #10A in my Twitter profile.

You are mistaken.   There is no 10th amendment.  There is only 1) the "free exercise of religion" clause of the First Amendment (so adherents to the Church of Trump can do whatever they want to anyone they want and yell "freedom of religion!") and 2) the Second Amendment, so they can shoot anyone who threatens right #1 above.  That's it.  Full stop.

[TwiceHorn 31469]

6 minutes ago, PsychMike said:

Good stuff. Got me to thinking I may have to put #10A in my Twitter profile.

Kind of amusing that he says that now, after declining to do jack shit on the federal level for 75 days, including shutting down things.

[gmr548 16580]

Okay, so I screwed up a decimal point somewhere in my math and fouled up my entire point.  So I will use a different analogy and instead of playing Rene Descartes I will instead play David Attenborough to make my point.
 
Every year millions and millions of wildebeests migrate across Africa following the rains in search of fresh grass to graze on.  Each year thousands and thousands of these wildebeests meet their end along this migration via lions, crocodiles, and other predators.  The majority of the eaten are old or sick wildebeest.  The wildebeest that finish the migration are rewarded with fresh grass to eat and the herd as a whole is strengthened.  Now the wildebeest could just stay where they are at at the start and avoid all the lions and crocodiles that are waiting ahead of them.  However they know that there is no grass to eat where they are at and they will all eventually starve (and the old and the sick will be the first to starve).
We are the wildebeest.  Coronavirus is the lions and crocodiles and the grass is the economy.  Fresh grass is an open, thriving economy.  Dead grass is the economy in its current state.   We can stay in the dead grass and keep the old and sick from being eaten by the crocodiles and lions.  However the entire herd is eventually going to metaphorically starve by doing so (starving being a metaphor for poverty).  And the old and the sick will be among the first to fall down this mineshaft of poverty our present actions are putting us on a course for.  We are trying to save the old and the sick by starving the entire herd which will result in the old and the sick being among the first to die anyway.  This completely defies logic.

I missed this earlier. We're not wildebeasts, dumbfuck. We're humans. "What separates man from beast" is an expression used for thousands of years for a reason. A wildebeest may be your intellectual equal, but humanity is collectively capable of much more than this.

Minneapolis Fed President thinks 18 months of rolling shutdowns lies ahead. 

I don't see another way. Theoretically it's possibly to safely reopen society broadly with a few restrictions, and do so safely but we know the federal government won't take the necessary steps. So whack a mole it is.

[BrickHorn 18234]

18 minutes ago, F250 said:

This is exactly right and pretty much sums up everything Trump says as POTUS. He always attempts to take credit for things he didn't do and blame others for things he did do. Trump isn't motivated by any ideology and everything thing he does or says is for his benefit. Attempting to justify Trump's statements and positions any other way is a fool's errand.

The thing that blows my mind is that there are so many people willing to bend over backwards and justify his actions as POTUS.

I'm sure we have all been in situations in our career where we were requested to do or justify something retarded and we pushed back. Even when it's their job to toe the company line people refuse so why in the hell would people do this for free? Why put yourself in a mental pretzel to justify Trump's actions?

Because the people who support Trump either (a) like the mean-spirited bullshit he fundamentally stands for or (b) have been trained not to question the idea that an all-powerful narcissist must be praised for everything good while everything bad is the fault of his enemies or even us.  Worshipping a self-aggrandizing finger-pointer who demands unquestioning loyalty and adulation is what these people have always known.  They’re programmed for it. 

 

[Beantown Express 2.0 6559]

12 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

You are mistaken.   There is no 10th amendment.  There is only 1) the "free exercise of religion" clause of the First Amendment (so adherents to the Church of Trump can do whatever they want to anyone they want and yell "freedom of religion!") and 2) the Second Amendment, so they can shoot anyone who threatens right #1 above.  That's it.  Full stop.

I am pretty sure the “free exercise of religion” really only pertains to Christianity and its many forms.  Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists and Druids need to take that shit to another country.  At some point certain factions of Christianity will probably be kicked out of it to since they aren’t crazy and extreme enough.  I hope I am not around when this country is a Theocracy like Iran which we are trending towards.  Cotton balls for everybody.

Edited April 13, 2020 by Beantown Express 2.0

[gmr548 16580]

2 hours ago, Hookah Horns said:

There are no words. 

There are two: president aggy

[gmr548 16580]

2 hours ago, Mo Horn said:

 Meh, fuck the Constitution. It's just an old piece of paper... except that thing about guns. 

Where my Principled. Constitutional. Conservatives. at???

[DigDug 1669]

4 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Because the people who support Trump either (a) like the mean-spirited bullshit he fundamentally stands for or (b) have been trained not to question the idea that an all-powerful narcissist must be praised for everything good while everything bad is the fault of his enemies or even us.  Worshipping a self-aggrandizing finger-pointer who demands unquestioning loyalty and adulation is what these people have always known.  They’re programmed for it. 

 

Along the same lines, I see the same mentality with a sect of coaches at the youth level.  They think yelling and spouting off tired cliches is actually coaching and teaching.   They don't understand the reasoning or the teaching of fundamentals and how to relate that so kids understand in a game situation.

But they will surely demean them in front of everyone and then stand proud on their false bravado.  And unfortunately there are a certain group of parents that don't know or don't care, and they applaud that.

[DDD Dad 14339]

I am pretty sure the “free exercise of religion” really only pertains to Christianity and its many forms.  Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists and Druids need to take that shit to another country.  At some point certain factions of Christianity will probably be kicked out of it to since they aren’t crazy and extreme enough.  I hope I am not around when this country is a Theocracy like Iran which we are trending towards.  Cotton balls for everybody.

Catholics too. You can’t trust those papists.

[Nivek 16929]

2 hours ago, Mo Horn said:

 Meh, fuck the Constitution. It's just an old piece of paper... except that thing about guns. 

10th Amendment?  Too long didn't read LOL

[Bateshorn 9927]

3 hours ago, BrickHorn said:

She’s the Joel Osteen of political philosophy. People want to be selfish and greedy.  So when someone comes along and preaches the virtue of sin, people latch onto it and convince themselves it’s some grand insight or genius.  In reality, it’s just a shitty person making money off telling other aspiringly shitty people that shittiness is a virtue.  

Liking Rand after you turn 20 makes somebody a deeply suspect person.  It's why Paul Ryan's schtick should have been immediately called into question as an "intellectual."

[Nivek 16929]

1 hour ago, TwiceHorn said:

There's that and the fact that communism and socialism, including the totalitarian variants, existed and were a real possibility in various parts of the world when she wrote.  A lot of kind of outre shit gained traction in that era.  Like the Nazi Party.  And even socialists or very liberal thinkers and authors, e.g. Orwell, produced some anti-socialist work in that era.  Further, people who had exposure to the Soviet reality tended or tend to go really hard the other way.

That she is the product of the trauma of being a refugee was obvious.   I don't really blame an idiot for being one, they cannot help it.  What was strange was how her sit ideas were seen as something not so shitty.  Just because Stalin hated Hitler, that didn't make Stalin a good guy.    Getting caught up in modern fervor is idiotic, but I suppose the social desire to belong to a cult (political or religious) is seductive for some.   Still idiotic.  

[Bama Chick 28596]

This is from today.

[Red Five 40858]

Shockingly stupid. 22,000 dead Americans in a month and it's only that low because we shut everything the fuck down. 

[Gatorubet 30238]

How many of the people saying Trump can't unilaterally open everything were calling for a national lock down 2-3 weeks ago?  Good times.

Swam????

[WBT 20570]

2 hours ago, Irieguy said:

Nothing inconsistent about those two positions. If Trump had instituted a national lockdown, he could remove it. Poor attempt at a gotcha, WBT. 

 

2 hours ago, hayden_horn said:

also, another wonderful insight into the thought processes of those who support trump. thanks for this post.

here's a hint: if trump says go to work, my employer still isn't going to open my office until shit is sorted. cities and states will still issue "guidance" and well-intentioned people will follow that.

as @Irieguy points out, this is a false dilemma. trump cannot necessarily rescind what he has not enacted.

also, trump should have been more of a leader and at least suggested social distancing, instituted a national policy probably at least 6 weeks ago. shit, austin was too late to the party, and yet we were one of the first here. when sxsw was cancelled, there was plenty of bitching, but in hindsight, it was eminently reasonable. same with school closure.

if trump wants to present himself as some kind of leader, he should've started 3 months ago when he first received advice on how to lead us in this pandemic. instead, he chose to try and preserve the economy and his reelection chances, instead of, you know, taking an actual leadership role to save lives.

I mourned the loss of the 10th long before Trump came along, although he has continued driving us farther down that road.

I didn't intend my post as a gotcha.  I agree with y'all that Trump can't unilaterally restart the economy.  I just never thought that Trump needed to or could make any kind of national declaration.  State and local governments took care of it.

Edited April 13, 2020 by WBT

[4th&Five 41550]

Just now, Bama Chick said:

This is from today.

 

I think we found Fauci's replacement.

[Gatorubet 30238]

translation - i didn’t close anything but i can open everything. and if the democrat governors defy me, then the economy is on them. and if the republican governors cause more people to get sick and die, then that’s also on them. 
but if things start going better, what has two thumbs and deserves all the credit?  this guy. 

You should post this on his twitter.

[TexArcher 37774]

3 hours ago, Mo Horn said:

He has never instituted a nationwide stay at home order. Thank God for governors and mayors that did. But, he can decide to override local leaders and open things up. Makes perfect sense. 

But the Republicans want states to make their own decisions, not the federal government.  Unless they'd rather the feds make the decision, like keeping marijuana illegal or sending people back to work during a pandemic so their stocks don't tank.

It's the same as how the Republicans believe strongly in individual liberties, unless some fags want to get married.  Then it's different.

Cliff Notes: Republicans are full of shit.

[Beantown Express 2.0 6559]

13 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

This is from today.

 

So how is this any different than yelling "fire" in a crowded theater?  Isn't this rhetoric technically harmful to citizens of the United States?

[mdmost 43001]

14 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

This is from today.

 

If it's affecting black people in high numbers, Bill Bennett's totally onboard with it. 

[UDontKnow 10445]

2 minutes ago, Beantown Express 2.0 said:

So how is this any different than yelling "fire" in a crowded theater?  Isn't this rhetoric technically harmful to citizens of the United States?

You're correct which is why Fox News is getting sued and "stockpiling attorneys" in anticipation of an avalanche of lawsuits coming.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-moguls-rupert-and-lachlan-murdoch-stockpile-attorneys-against-coronavirus-lawsuits

[Irieguy 1059]

8 minutes ago, WBT said:

 

I mourned the loss of the 10th long before Trump came along, although he has continued driving us farther down that road.

I didn't intend my post as a gotcha.  I agree with y'all that Trump can't unilaterally restart the economy.  I just never thought that Trump needed to or could make any kind of national declaration.  State and local governments took care of it.

You did a horrible job of conveying that thought. 

[HenryJames 66052]

 

[UDontKnow 10445]

18 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

This is from today.

 

Rich, privileged white guy talking from his bully pulpit in his ivory tower. I don't want to be one of those guys that blames white people for everything (because that's not right), but that's what this comes off as.

[Red Five 40858]

2 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

But Hunter Biden was on a board!

[Beantown Express 2.0 6559]

2 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

How does Kushner even have time for this with all of the other things he is solving like Middle East Peace and the Pandemic task force.  I guess running a government is pretty easy when one guy can do all of those things.

[deech 2275]

4 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

I guess all the medical doctors were too busy?

[Upgrayedd 5812]

7 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

We are fucked.

[Bama Chick 28596]

[NWBuck 8565]

13 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

Whew... So glad to know that everything's going to be all white.

[NWBuck 8565]

Ah, my first double post. Huzzah.

Edited April 13, 2020 by NWBuck

[ruitxn 296]

13 hours ago, tx 3 putt said:

all hat no cattle 

XXL jock strap...nothing to put in it.

[TexArcher 37774]

13 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

Everybody back to your cubicles tomorrow!  

 

[elfenix 34240]

nsiap:

 

[Native Horn 3504]

35 minutes ago, Bama Chick said:

This is from today.

 

It would appear that although he is done pissing away millions of his own money in Vegas, he now has his sights set on gambling with the lives of Americans by spewing this drivel.  Not proud at all that he has a PhD from UT.

[cactusflinthead 27598]

12 minutes ago, Upgrayedd said:

We are fucked.

Tom agrees 

 

[wildcat09 29354]

The GOP is a death cult, part infinity.

These people are not ever going to give up power peacefully. The black man getting elected broke them and their only desire now is the destruction of a multicultural America by any means necessary.

[Francisco 2.0 32392]

1.  Shit, I'm surprised Don Jr, Eric and Barron haven't been named to it.  Or Hannity and Rush.

2.  Next up, dismiss Fauci, declare the doors are open for business.

3.

4.  Profit.