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Is there a way to short the entire country? I'm trying to think of how I can make some money off the destruction of America. Guess I'd need to be born an ultra rich white to do that. 

Watching a little of that propaganda moment with the president just made me think of the republican motto

The country, the country, the country's on fire. 

We don't need no water let the mother fucker burn

Burn, mother fucker... Burn. 

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1 minute ago, longhornmatt said:

If Texas didn’t have a majority of people who would vote for Trumpy human excrement like Dan Patrick, I would be in favor of secession at this point.

You are going to have to wait until we have another black president if you want Texas secession talk to start up again.

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3 minutes ago, longhornmatt said:

The federal government is seizing all the things the states and local governments buy, and then letting their cronies mark it up and resell.   But Trump blames the states and local governments for not getting enough supplies.

Mob boss gonna mob boss.

I mean, it's even worse than a bust out:

At least those fictional mobsters sold the stolen shit at a discount.

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8 hours ago, Bozo_Casanova said:

Seriously this is true. This is the fulfillment of Ayn Rand’s vision of the “ideal man.” It’s like when she wrote about William Hickman, that he had  "no regard whatsoever for all that society holds sacred, and with a consciousness all his own. He has the true, innate psychology of a Superman. He can never realize and feel 'other people.'"

Donald Trump is no John Galt. 

8 hours ago, Nivek said:

I'll never understand interest in Ayn Rand.  She was an idiot.   Her writing was shit and her ideas were worse. 

 

7 hours ago, jw4381 said:

This right here. It's unbelievable how much her followers have fucked this county up. I tried to get through Atlas Shrugged to see what all the hoopla was about, many years ago. It was terrible and I couldn't finish it. 

Sometimes I think Rand's supporters haven't read much more of her work than her detractors. I've read some of her philosophical writing and that's garbage. What she did and said in real life I have no regard for. But I enjoyed Anthem, The Fountainhead, and Atlas Shrugged. I've read Atlas Shrugged three times. Once in my teens, once in my 20's, and once in my 30's. I started to read it again in my 40's but my copy is one of those small paperbacks with small print and yellowing pages and my eyes weren't as good as they used to be and I know the story thoroughly anyway. 

I think it's a great book. It's important to understand it's a work of fiction and isn't an accurate portrayal of reality. But it's a fun story. It's weird, it's cheesy, it's funny, it incorporates some science fiction. I'm probably one of the few people that others would describe as a liberal who likes that book and knows it well. I'd argue that I know it better than Rand Paul or Paul Ryan do. 

Late in the book, our hero John Galt addresses the nation on the radio and gives a speech laying out his philosophy. In my paperback copy, that monologue is 57 pages long. I think it's coherent and well written and I read it in its entirety in one sitting each of the three times I read the book. I'd be willing to bet that most so-called libertarians who claim to be Ayn Rand fans never did anything more than skim it. (I was really hoping they'd complete that movie trilogy just to see how they'd handle that part, but the first movie sucked and I never bothered to watch the second so it's no surprise that project got shitcanned.)

In the summation of his speech, Galt makes this declaration: "I swear -- by my life and my love of it -- that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine." You see, it's that second part that really matters but which is lost on the libertarian crowd. 

For example, when you cut back on environmental regulations and allow industry to pollute my air and my water, you're cutting their costs at the expense of my increased costs of health care. You're shifting their costs to me. You're forcing me to live for the sake of another man. I help bear his costs but don't share in the profit. Is that a libertarian ideal? John Galt would not support that arrangement. We could come up with many more examples. Like if our industrial titans were all men like John Galt and Hank Rearden then there would be no need for labor unions because they would value and respect the contributions of labor and compensate them fairly, not exploit them as much as possible for the sake of their own personal enrichment. 

It's interesting to note that the recent GOP administration's much more closely resemble the dysfunctional government in Atlas Shrugged than the Democratic administrations have. 

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i was watching cnn, then they cut away straight to wolf talking to daniel dale (their resident fact-checker) but i wanted more, so i turned it to msnbc, which lasted about 30-40 more seconds, then they cut away to whatever anchor is on (i don't watch msnbc) but he was like, "well, good to see that's how the president has been spending his time and energy, while the country deals with the horrible pandemic."  whatever it was, it was well timed and well delivered.

i refuse to turn to fox news, but i assume they kept the whole thing running.

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