CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[wildcat09 29355]

The Republican party repeatedly expressing the need to make human sacrifices to appease The Economy is some truly dark shit.  What fucking year is it?

[Beantown Express 2.0 6559]

12 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

Just amazing

I guess Dr. Oz blew all his money from his appearances on Oprah and needed a gig with Fox to make a living.

[henrygandorf 29194]

let’s add that schools are the least likely to obey social-distancing guidelines if/when opened back up. we’re really gonna trust 6-14 year olds to stay 6 feet apart from each other after being cooped up for weeks?

[tx 3 putt 77162]

2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

The Republican party repeatedly expressing the need to make human sacrifices to appease The Economy is some truly dark shit.  What fucking year is it?

 

stolen : we've reached the point where the cult leaders are asking their followers if they're ready to die for the cause 

[Brisketexan 105161]

Just now, wildcat09 said:

The Republican party repeatedly expressing the need to make human sacrifices to appease The Economy is some truly dark shit.  What fucking year is it?

Definitely not the year that they declared war to maintain life support for a woman with a brain that had shriveled to half its size, with no hope of recovery (Terri Shiavo).  Remember, the GOP is not a pro-life party in any sense of the word.  They are pro-money, and pro-power, and that's it.  Anything else they try to claim is just a trojan horse for those two pillars.

[Dnaguy 12002]

5 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

The Republican party repeatedly expressing the need to make human sacrifices to appease The Economy is some truly dark shit.  What fucking year is it?

 

Edited April 16, 2020 by Dnaguy

[Dnaguy 12002]

3 minutes ago, Brisketexan said:

Definitely not the year that they declared war to maintain life support for a woman with a brain that had shriveled to half its size, with no hope of recovery (Terri Shiavo).  Remember, the GOP is not a pro-life party in any sense of the word.  They are pro-money, and pro-power, and that's it.  Anything else they try to claim is just a trojan horse for those two pillars.

 

[jimmyjazz 45992]

4 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

let’s add that schools are the least likely to obey social-distancing guidelines if/when opened back up. we’re really gonna trust 6-14 year olds to stay 6 feet apart from each other after being cooped up for weeks?

I saw an article about day care and preschool groups for children of first responders, medical personnel, etc.  Some of these people have no choice -- they have to do something with their kids in order to serve the public.  The most obvious quesiton:  "how do you keep kids 6 feet apart?"  Ugh.

[bolverk 29694]

1 hour ago, Thiefery said:

man I'm getting the grimm outlook on the medical coding industry for 2020 now that CMS has halted Audits til next year.. meanwhile it's business as usual for the outsourced Indian companies who are coding charts.. Why do we even have HIPAA for?

 

32 minutes ago, Mo Horn said:

Mrs. MO is a supervisor for a medical billing company. We are both working from home and she has been ranting about this as well. 

Can you guys elaborate on this when you get a chance? Explain it to me like I'm five because I have no idea what this means.

[honolulu horn 6165]

31 minutes ago, henrygandorf said:

let’s add that schools are the least likely to obey social-distancing guidelines if/when opened back up. we’re really gonna trust 6-14 year olds to stay 6 feet apart from each other after being cooped up for weeks?

Only if schools institute permanent middle school dances.

[GRHorn 105]

Re: saving lives vs the economy. 
 

The numbers in a lot of states, including Texas, do not justify the widespread restrictions that are still in place imo. They were justified initially, but now with weather warming and it being clear that estimates overshot the mark pretty badly, it’s time to open things up. Whether it’s a process or not, it needs to happen. 
 

Open non essential businesses. Encourage continued mask wearing and social distancing in public. Probably keep schools closed. If outbreak flares up immediately then have to walk things back, but it’s unlikely. 
 

Over the summer, do as much work as possible on antibody testing, corona testing, ppe production. Investigate all therapeutic possibilities. 
 

Where the rubber will meet the road is when cases start popping back up in the fall. How will we handle shutting things back down if the numbers are high? Hopefully it will be more nuanced when we have more data. And honestly it will need to be. After how far off the big models have been, a lot of people will be questioning any warnings the next time around. And rightly so, if you think about it.
 

Gonna be a tougher sell. Hope we’re better prepared. 

[TXSG8R 3362]

Just caught a story on CNN about 141 SK patients that had recovered that are positive again.  Nothing substantive beyond that (false negatives on first test, reactivation of the virus, etc).  Not great if true.  

[Longhorn_Fan68 33878]

 

 

[dlatin 328]

5 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

Re: saving lives vs the economy. 
 

The numbers in a lot of states, including Texas, do not justify the widespread restrictions that are still in place imo. They were justified initially, but now with weather warming and it being clear that estimates overshot the mark pretty badly, it’s time to open things up. Whether it’s a process or not, it needs to happen. 
 

Open non essential businesses. Encourage continued mask wearing and social distancing in public. Probably keep schools closed. If outbreak flares up immediately then have to walk things back, but it’s unlikely. 
 

Over the summer, do as much work as possible on antibody testing, corona testing, ppe production. Investigate all therapeutic possibilities. 
 

Where the rubber will meet the road is when cases start popping back up in the fall. How will we handle shutting things back down if the numbers are high? Hopefully it will be more nuanced when we have more data. And honestly it will need to be. After how far off the big models have been, a lot of people will be questioning any warnings the next time around. And rightly so, if you think about it.
 

Gonna be a tougher sell. Hope we’re better prepared. 

The only way this can really work effectively is to have robust testing, legitimate contact tracing, and a plan of action ready to be followed to a T if cases begin to spike.  Given that is what is likely needed, i don't like our chances of effectively instituting a plan that will be effective. 

[NameAlreadyInUse 5114]

8 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

Re: saving lives vs the economy. 
 

The numbers in a lot of states, including Texas, do not justify the widespread restrictions that are still in place imo. They were justified initially, but now with weather warming and it being clear that estimates overshot the mark pretty badly, it’s time to open things up. Whether it’s a process or not, it needs to happen. 
 

 

The weather doesn't have shit to do with this man, I don't know why y'all keep saying it does.  If it did then those summer time countries wouldn't have been seeing this spread as well.  Remember, the very first celebrity most of us heard about getting this was Tom Hanks, and that fucker was down in Australia.

[Chuckie Finster 22702]

9 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

Re: saving lives vs the economy. 
 

The numbers in a lot of states, including Texas, do not justify the widespread restrictions that are still in place imo. They were justified initially, but now with weather warming and it being clear that estimates overshot the mark pretty badly, it’s time to open things up. Whether it’s a process or not, it needs to happen. 
 

Open non essential businesses. Encourage continued mask wearing and social distancing in public. Probably keep schools closed. If outbreak flares up immediately then have to walk things back, but it’s unlikely. 
 

Over the summer, do as much work as possible on antibody testing, corona testing, ppe production. Investigate all therapeutic possibilities. 
 

Where the rubber will meet the road is when cases start popping back up in the fall. How will we handle shutting things back down if the numbers are high? Hopefully it will be more nuanced when we have more data. And honestly it will need to be. After how far off the big models have been, a lot of people will be questioning any warnings the next time around. And rightly so, if you think about it.
 

Gonna be a tougher sell. Hope we’re better prepared. 

Show your work on this one.  Prove to my pregnant wife and mother-in-law with a liver transplant that faulty estimates, and not the unprecedented social distancing, are the reason the death toll is not yet as high as scientists initially warned.  

[NameAlreadyInUse 5114]

3 minutes ago, dlatin said:

The only way this can really work effectively is to have robust testing, legitimate contact tracing, and a plan of action ready to be followed to a T if cases begin to spike.  Given that is what is likely needed, i don't like our chances of effectively instituting a plan that will be effective. 

Our earliest opportunity to treat this whole thing sanely to wipe it out in the US is not going to happen until January of 2021 at the earliest and that will depend on the election in November.  We are not going to get robust testing with the current administration.  

[Nivek 16946]

1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

The Republican party repeatedly expressing the need to make human sacrifices to appease The Economy is some truly dark shit.  What fucking year is it?

They don't really care about the economy either.  They only care about the NYSE and Fed. interest rates and ducking taxes.  They didn't give a shit when kids were mass murdered.  They don't give a shit about anything that doesn't directly benefit them.  If you cannot be turned into a profit via your labor or your needs, then fuck right on off.

[wildcat09 29355]

13 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

Re: saving lives vs the economy. 
 

The numbers in a lot of states, including Texas, do not justify the widespread restrictions that are still in place imo. They were justified initially, but now with weather warming and it being clear that estimates overshot the mark pretty badly, it’s time to open things up. Whether it’s a process or not, it needs to happen. 
 

Open non essential businesses. Encourage continued mask wearing and social distancing in public. Probably keep schools closed. If outbreak flares up immediately then have to walk things back, but it’s unlikely. 
 

Over the summer, do as much work as possible on antibody testing, corona testing, ppe production. Investigate all therapeutic possibilities. 
 

Where the rubber will meet the road is when cases start popping back up in the fall. How will we handle shutting things back down if the numbers are high? Hopefully it will be more nuanced when we have more data. And honestly it will need to be. After how far off the big models have been, a lot of people will be questioning any warnings the next time around. And rightly so, if you think about it.
 

Gonna be a tougher sell. Hope we’re better prepared. 

How does anybody this stupid function day to day?  Seriously, this shit isn't complicated. Children can understand communicable diseases. If you can't even grasp a basic understanding of why this shit is so stupid, I'm amazed that you've managed to not accidentally kill yourself while like, mowing the lawn.

[Jiggy-Z 3433]

2 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

How does anybody this stupid function day to day?  Seriously, this shit isn't complicated. Children can understand communicable diseases. If you can't even grasp a basic understanding of why this shit is so stupid, I'm amazed that you've managed to not accidentally kill yourself while like, mowing the lawn.

I was going to write something similar, but would have gotten bogged down on refuting all the BS in that post.

[jimmyjazz 45992]

20 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

The numbers in a lot of states, including Texas, do not justify the widespread restrictions that are still in place imo. They were justified initially, but now with weather warming and it being clear that estimates overshot the mark pretty badly, it’s time to open things up.

Jesus.  You can't be serious.  #mcenroe

1.  the weather has nothing to do with it

2.  the "estimates" were based on the assumption that WE DID NOTHING.  Even WITH all of the self-isolation experts believe we're still 2 weeks away from the peak in Texas.

 

It is highly likely that there are going to be a lot more people infected in Texas by May 1, along with a lot more fatalities.  Reversing policy at this point would be absolute lunacy.

[Nivek 16946]

8 minutes ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

The weather doesn't have shit to do with this man, I don't know why y'all keep saying it does.  If it did then those summer time countries wouldn't have been seeing this spread as well.  Remember, the very first celebrity most of us heard about getting this was Tom Hanks, and that fucker was down in Australia.

Why are you engaging Comrade GR(U)horn (DSA)?  His job is to distribute misinformation and hope more Americans die.  He are still pissed off their backwater shithole country got demolished by the Germans and the Soviets were only good at being bullet catchers until the Americans had to save their asses again.  They couldn't even design their own tanks, they ha to take an American's design and we still had to send them equipment.    They recently reached down their pants found two jellly beans and thought they were balls and sent 500 soldiers with armored support against 30 small arms Americans and got fucking destroyed.   Over 10:1 advantage and they still lost.   The best part of Russia came from their German fathers, but even they managed to fuck that up. 

[NameAlreadyInUse 5114]

5 minutes ago, Nivek said:

Why are you engaging Comrade GR(U)horn (DSA)?  His job is to distribute misinformation and hope more Americans die.  He are still pissed off their backwater shithole country got demolished by the Germans and the Soviets were only good at being bullet catchers until the Americans had to save their asses again.  They couldn't even design their own tanks, they ha to take an American's design and we still had to send them equipment.    They recently reached down their pants found two jellly beans and thought they were balls and sent 500 soldiers with armored support against 30 small arms Americans and got fucking destroyed.   Over 10:1 advantage and they still lost.   The best part of Russia came from their German fathers, but even they managed to fuck that up. 

It's not him I'm engaging really, it's, all those well meaning people who might otherwise believe a lie because they didn't stop to think that it could be a lie.

[Beantown Express 2.0 6559]

15 minutes ago, wildcat09 said:

How does anybody this stupid function day to day?  Seriously, this shit isn't complicated. Children can understand communicable diseases. If you can't even grasp a basic understanding of why this shit is so stupid, I'm amazed that you've managed to not accidentally kill yourself while like, mowing the lawn.

If only.  It would be one less person that I already have on ignore.  He is a troll or one of the dumbest human beings I have encountered and I have encountered a shit ton of dumb asses.

[ultimaton 2982]

1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

3% is 10mm people. wtf is he on about?

1 hour ago, wildcat09 said:

The Republican party repeatedly expressing the need to make human sacrifices to appease The Economy is some truly dark shit.  What fucking year is it?

1 hour ago, tx 3 putt said:

 

stolen : we've reached the point where the cult leaders are asking their followers if they're ready to die for the cause 

Mammon hungers and must be fed

[Aqua Buddha 14598]

[achooloco 1072]

2 hours ago, DanTheHorn said:

Some one mentioned these dipshits that created gridlock yesterday. Basically all these groups that do not find it enough to protest since they can be easily be ignored have to make folks life's miserable and achieve no more than feeling good about screwing with others. So I went out looking for 2003 war protesters, black lives matter and tea party folks images. I found this photo:

 

I wonder how these folks are feeling now that mother earth has taken care of pollution levels itself.

 

 

 

i think i know what you mean but not sure how humans shutting down some crazy high, never-going-to-happen-again percentage of pollution is "mother earth [taking care] of pollution levels ITSELF"

[RomaVicta 29941]

33 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

The numbers in a lot of states, including Texas, do not justify the widespread restrictions that are still in place imo. They were justified initially, but now with weather warming and it being clear that estimates overshot the mark pretty badly, it’s time to open things up. Whether it’s a process or not, it needs to happen. 
 

Here's the deal for me:

• It seems strange to me that the success of social distancing and shelter in place leads some people to conclude that it must be ended.
• It is absurd to me that persons who denied the disease, promised it wouldn't get beyond 15 cases, and are even now resisting testing and supplying medical needs of hospitals, are now to be trusted with this decision.
• I do not rule out judicious return to the work place for some workers based on specific, professional assessment of the danger.
• I dismiss someone pointing to the success of a strategy as reason to abandon that strategy.

Your presentation is a perfect representation of the kind of simplistic thinking that gets lots of people killed. Without looking deeper into why the numbers are the way they are (why is the prediction low? Is the prediction low in light of new information about people dying in their homes and other deaths that are not included yet in the statistics?) and accepting the notion of warming weather definitely making everybody safe, you reach a conclusion wholly devoid of foundation.

Conventional wisdome doesn't cut it.

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

43 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

Re: saving lives vs the economy. 
 

The numbers in a lot of states, including Texas, do not justify the widespread restrictions that are still in place imo. They were justified initially, but now with weather warming and it being clear that estimates overshot the mark pretty badly, it’s time to open things up.

The amount of idiocy in this paragraph is nearly impossible to comprehend.

This guy is a doctor?

[Jack Straw 2954]

3 hours ago, 4th&Five said:

It’s a month of minimum wage ($7.25 for 40 hours a week for 4 weeks) but people are supposed to stretch it for 2.5 months?

“Absolutely.  It’s not the government’s job to pay people to not work.   I had all my money handed to me, so people should listen to me.”

- @Johnny Sack

[Pam Cummings 9646]

1 hour ago, Mo Horn said:

Just amazing

How many wars were fought, how much money spent, freedoms given up, to "prevent another 9/11"? Because they're basically saying they are OK with a daily 9/11.

[henrygandorf 29194]

but it's so popular!  why are the stupid democrats being so partisan?

 

 

 

[GRHorn 105]

32 minutes ago, NameAlreadyInUse said:

The weather doesn't have shit to do with this man, I don't know why y'all keep saying it does.  If it did then those summer time countries wouldn't have been seeing this spread as well.  Remember, the very first celebrity most of us heard about getting this was Tom Hanks, and that fucker was down in Australia.

 

19 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Jesus.  You can't be serious.  #mcenroe

1.  the weather has nothing to do with it

2.  the "estimates" were based on the assumption that WE DID NOTHING.  Even WITH all of the self-isolation experts believe we're still 2 weeks away from the peak in Texas.

 

It is highly likely that there are going to be a lot more people infected in Texas by May 1, along with a lot more fatalities.  Reversing policy at this point would be absolute lunacy.

Did I miss a study that showed it wasn’t affected by seasonal patterns? I’m working off the assumption that it will behave in the same way as the other Coronaviruses. Of course it’s not an absolute. That’s also why I said it could be walked back if it proves to be wrong. 

The most cited model as of yesterday had overestimated hospital beds needed by 25%.  And that’s after it coming down hugely over the course of the pandemic. I understand that models are changed based on their assumptions and inputs, but hey have missed to the high side for sure.  

[4th&Five 41565]

 

[GRHorn 105]

44 minutes ago, Chuckie Finster said:

Show your work on this one.  Prove to my pregnant wife and mother-in-law with a liver transplant that faulty estimates, and not the unprecedented social distancing, are the reason the death toll is not yet as high as scientists initially warned.  

They need to stay home anyway. They wouldn’t be in the category of resumption of activities. 
 

[4th&Five 41565]

 

[GRHorn 105]

14 minutes ago, RomaVicta said:

Here's the deal for me:

• It seems strange to me that the success of social distancing and shelter in place leads some people to conclude that it must be ended.
• It is absurd to me that persons who denied the disease, promised it wouldn't get beyond 15 cases, and are even now resisting testing and supplying medical needs of hospitals, are now to be trusted with this decision.
• I do not rule out judicious return to the work place for some workers based on specific, professional assessment of the danger.
• I dismiss someone pointing to the success of a strategy as reason to abandon that strategy.

Your presentation is a perfect representation of the kind of simplistic thinking that gets lots of people killed. Without looking deeper into why the numbers are the way they are (why is the prediction low? Is the prediction low in light of new information about people dying in their homes and other deaths that are not included yet in the statistics?) and accepting the notion of warming weather definitely making everybody safe, you reach a conclusion wholly devoid of foundation.

Conventional wisdome doesn't cut it.

 

11 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

The amount of idiocy in this paragraph is nearly impossible to comprehend.

This guy is a doctor?

I didn’t say open up back like before. It can and will be done in phases. And with people wearing masks and distancing in public still. 

I think Abbott will support some kind of loosening of conditions on May 1st and id support it 

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

Just now, 4th&Five said:

 

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[4th&Five 41565]

Just now, GRHorn said:

They need to stay home anyway. They wouldn’t be in the category of resumption of activities. 
 

Without opening schools we're not going back to work.  Very few local leaders are dumb enough to open schools right now (or anytime soon).

[softlynow 1816]

11 minutes ago, Pam Cummings said:

How many wars were fought, how much money spent, freedoms given up, to "prevent another 9/11"? Because they're basically saying they are OK with a daily 9/11.

“Another 9/11” to them means an attack on the financial sector. They could give a shit about 60 extra random deaths a day per state. 

[Chuckie Finster 22702]

3 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

They need to stay home anyway. They wouldn’t be in the category of resumption of activities. 
 

Okay, but what about me?  Am I just supposed to not see them once my work opens back up?  

This is the stupidity of trying to force a reopening.  People will not resume life activities until they feel safe, no matter what the government says.

[David Dennison 18938]

1 minute ago, GRHorn said:

I think Abbott will support some kind of loosening of conditions on May 1st and id support it 

And what do you think is going to happen? Half of the state will ignore it, especially in the economic centers.

[SameSame 1705]

15 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

The amount of idiocy in this paragraph is nearly impossible to comprehend.

This guy is a doctor?

He refuses to post his long form diploma for the board to review.

So the only logical explanation is that he's lying and probably a Muslim.

[Lagunamadre 1975]

6 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

90% chance Gulliani will be his guest today to discuss the latest findings on Burisma. 

[4th&Five 41565]

 

[Bama Chick 28596]

Where exactly does he think Chinatown is?

[Longhorn_Fan68 33878]

wow

[Biff Tannen 45692]

13 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

 

[NameAlreadyInUse 5114]

19 minutes ago, GRHorn said:

 

Did I miss a study that showed it wasn’t affected by seasonal patterns? I’m working off the assumption that it will behave in the same way as the other Coronaviruses. Of course it’s not an absolute. That’s also why I said it could be walked back if it proves to be wrong. 

The most cited model as of yesterday had overestimated hospital beds needed by 25%.  And that’s after it coming down hugely over the course of the pandemic. I understand that models are changed based on their assumptions and inputs, but hey have missed to the high side for sure.  

Because the high side assumed no action taken, you nitwit.

[Biff Tannen 45692]

3 minutes ago, 4th&Five said: