CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[Anastasis 23395]

3 hours ago, Wanker Bob said:

I mean you don't have to reinvent the wheel here. South Korea has already shown exactly how to do it in a democratic society.

If you are advocating for a SK style tracing program, you are basically advocating for the CDC under the Trump administration to have access to all of your GPS localizing data, credit card and other financial records, police records, CCTV feeds from every major city, in essentially real time. Can you imagine the reaction if Trump would have proposed something like that in January?

[Gengs1 2583]

How long before he does another covid presser. No way he is going into hiding, he can’t let anyone else be in the spotlight.

I say 4 days at most 

[GRHorn 105]

11 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

If you are advocating for a SK style tracing program, you are basically advocating for the CDC under the Trump administration to have access to all of your GPS localizing data, credit card and other financial records, police records, CCTV feeds from every major city, in essentially real time. Can you imagine the reaction if Trump would have proposed something like that in January?

Exactly. It’s not feasible. And I don’t think the majority would want that. 

[TheRealRonWeaver? 1258]

This is an act of God.
Signed,
Donald Trump
P.S. But still China's fawlt!

[JimmyJames 12271]

13 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

If you are advocating for a SK style tracing program, you are basically advocating for the CDC under the Trump administration to have access to all of your GPS localizing data, credit card and other financial records, police records, CCTV feeds from every major city, in essentially real time. Can you imagine the reaction if Trump would have proposed something like that in January?

Under the trump administration? Yeah that would be a no. 

Under a competent administration? We can talk about it.

[Anastasis 23395]

1 minute ago, GRHorn said:

Exactly. It’s not feasible. And I don’t think the majority would want that. 

The CR would have lost their fucking minds in January if Trump proposed a SK style tracing program as impeachment was jumping off.  

[Anastasis 23395]

Just now, JimmyJames said:

Under the trump administration? Yeah that would be a no. 

Under a competent administration? We can talk about it.

Still not support for your claim on testing assumptions?  Why don't you just go ahead and tell us what you were brainlessly parroting? It was the Atlantic article right?

[JimmyJames 12271]

1 minute ago, Anastasis said:

The CR would have lost their fucking minds in January if Trump proposed a SK style tracing program as impeachment was jumping off.  

That’s because we all know trump is an incompetent corrupt narcissist idiot.

Yes I would not want an incompetent corrupt administration with all that data while it continues to fuck everything up.

Duh.

[JimmyJames 12271]

2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Still not support for your claim on testing assumptions?  Why don't you just go ahead and tell us what you were brainlessly parroting? It was the Atlantic article right?

Do you have a job?

[Wanker Bob 379]

1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

ok, so i have a question.

all of these cases we see of people taking trump's malaria drug or injecting disinfectant, do they already have or think they have the covid?  or are they just doing it as a preventative measure?  and if it's the latter, and they're that scared of the disease, why aren't they just staying fucking home? 

 

Because they have their damn rights to go get their hair cut and eat at restaurants and go to bars and concerts got damnit!

 

1 hour ago, henrygandorf said:

You would think anyone with 10% of a brain would have to be on death's door with no alternative to put clorox or lysol in their body.

 

It's 2020 and they still believe the one man on the planet who is guaranteed to lie every time he opens his mouth. If there's 10 percent of a brain there is a truly retarded brain. 

[Austinvines 309]

If you are advocating for a SK style tracing program, you are basically advocating for the CDC under the Trump administration to have access to all of your GPS localizing data, credit card and other financial records, police records, CCTV feeds from every major city, in essentially real time. Can you imagine the reaction if Trump would have proposed something like that in January?

Can you imagine how insane the reaction would be to the lockdown if Hillary had won?

[Wanker Bob 379]

21 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

If you are advocating for a SK style tracing program, you are basically advocating for the CDC under the Trump administration to have access to all of your GPS localizing data, credit card and other financial records, police records, CCTV feeds from every major city, in essentially real time. Can you imagine the reaction if Trump would have proposed something like that in January?

GWB set that up in the mid 2000s and it's already happening. They just aren't telling us they're watching like SK does. 

Snowden out front should have told ya. 

[Anastasis 23395]

5 minutes ago, Austinvines said:

Can you imagine how insane the reaction would be to the lockdown if Hillary had won?

Pretty fucking lit. 

[Anastasis 23395]

9 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Do you have a job?

Yeah, one that involves being able to support claims made about things like science with citations. 

[Gatorubet 30104]

24 minutes ago, Gengs1 said:

How long before he does another covid presser. No way he is going into hiding, he can’t let anyone else be in the spotlight.

I say 4 days at most 

If 4 means 2, then yeah

[Anastasis 23395]

7 minutes ago, Wanker Bob said:

GWB set that up in the mid 2000s and it's already happening. They just aren't telling us they're watching like SK does. 

Snowden out front should have told ya. 

Maybe the NSA should be feeding their data right into HHS.  Sure the CR would be totally good with that. 

[JimmyJames 12271]

29 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

If you are advocating for a SK style tracing program, you are basically advocating for the CDC under the Trump administration to have access to all of your GPS localizing data, credit card and other financial records, police records, CCTV feeds from every major city, in essentially real time. Can you imagine the reaction if Trump would have proposed something like that in January?

So is this the new trumpkin talking point? We’re not South Korea so loss of privacy is the new bullshit excuse we’ve come up with for our incompetence? Interesting tactic y’all have come up with.

Sorry but its not gonna work. 

[Anastasis 23395]

13 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Do you have a job?

Jimmy, it's alright buddy.  Just go ahead and admit that you were just talking out of your ass. That will take much less time, energy, and effort than what will be a fruitless lit search. 

[workswithseed 2036]

2 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Maybe the NSA should be feeding their data right into HHS.  Sure the CR would be totally good with that. 

CR: Trump sucks! 

Also CR: Trump should know my location and almost all my thoughts.

[JimmyJames 12271]

4 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Yeah, one that involves being able to support claims made about things like science with citations. 

Jacking off on the net doesn’t require scientific analysis nor citations. You of all people should know that.

[GRHorn 105]

3 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

The CR would have lost their fucking minds in January if Trump proposed a SK style tracing program as impeachment was jumping off.  

This thing is gonna go through our population. The speed is TBD. 
 

As an aside I thought of an interesting potential inflection point. My wife and I were talking about what happens if school is interrupted/cancelled next year. We both agreed if it happened again we would pull our kids and go full homeschool, even though it’s not something we ever dreamed we’d do. But, the current distance learning is unacceptable longer term.

How many people are looking at it the same way? Will the public education system be questioned/threatened on a large scale level? If so, will the left suddenly want to reopen everything and roll the dice? My guess is yes. It may be the same for universities like ours.

I’m curious what others with kids here think. 

[GRHorn 105]

27 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Under the trump administration? Yeah that would be a no. 

Under a competent administration? We can talk about it.

Lol. Yeah we just need your team in charge. It would totally be cool. What a fucking sheep. 

[Wanker Bob 379]

14 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Maybe the NSA should be feeding their data right into HHS.  Sure the CR would be totally good with that. 

Who says they aren't or haven't? Michael fucking Caputo is the head of HHS now. If this administration thinks it's advantageous to do anything no matter how unconstitutional they're doing it. They just do it for their own power and money grabs and not to actually help the country. 

This government already violates rights and the Constitution at any time they want. The difference between us and SK is SK us open about it and actually uses it to do at least some good for the welfare of the population. Once Bush was able to institute the Program and America showed it didn't care all illusion of rights or privacy went flying out the window. 

Edited April 26, 2020 by Wanker Bob

[GRHorn 105]

13 minutes ago, workswithseed said:

CR: Trump sucks! 

Also CR: Trump should know my location and almost all my thoughts.

For real. So much of the CR are just pathetic sheep. 
 

Trump is a threat to our democracy, he can’t be trusted. At the same time let’s reauthorize the NDAA. 
 

Either they’re dumb or straight up exaggerating the real threat to our system. 
 

They’re obviously exaggerating the threat to the system that he poses. Because electing Joe Biden won’t change a damn thing. The same super rich will get bailed out before them and they’ll be happy that their team is in charge. 

Edited April 26, 2020 by GRHorn

[Bullneck 18987]

32 minutes ago, JimmyJames said:

Do you have a job?

You asked that a while back.  He declined to answer. He's either retired or a school teacher.  I always thought he was FC Horn because he posts 500 times a day. But maybe he's Swam4.  

[tchookem 3900]

Tomorrow morning's GOP talking points, today:
 
https://www.tulsaworld.com/news/local/gov-stitt-to-president-trump-declare-covid-19-pandemic-an-act-of-god-amid-oil/article_ef396817-f2dd-55d7-a390-fcca31690941.html
 

Oklahoma Gov. Kevin Stitt announced Saturday that he wrote a letter to President Donald Trump asking for his administration to declare the COVID-19 pandemic an "act of God."
"In this unprecedented time, we must continue to work strategically with our federal government to help our state’s public health and economy," Stitt said in a statement on his Facebook page. "Oklahoma, we are in this together and we will get through this."

 

The letter states Oklahoma has struggled in recent weeks with the "near total disappearance" of demand for oil and gas products as well as the "imminent lack of available storage" for them. He pointed out oil futures closed negative for the first time in recorded history because of the level of oversupply and the lack of storage capabilities.
Stitt said operators in the state want to either voluntarily reduce production or cease on a temporary basis without fear of people taking advantage of opportunities to cancel leases due to production cuts. He asked the White House for the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic to be declared a "force majeure" or "act of God" only "for the narrow purpose" of protecting producers from such attempts.
"Over-production of oil continues to threaten the economy, posing many potential environmental threats to Oklahoma and other producing states with no demand and rapidly diminishing storage capacity," Stitt wrote in the letter. "This could lead to difficult decisions for producers regarding where to position these hydrocarbons with no place to store them and no one to buy them."
The governor added that he believed the move would benefit the oil market by helping limit over-production while ensuring the environment is protected.

 
 

So, County A and Country B are hit by the exact same Act of God, but due to competent leadership, Country A fares much, much better. Are the ensuing problems really the result of an Act of God? Can Acts of God be mitigated by human intervention?

Maybe God just likes South Korea more than America.

[StassneyHorn 6538]

55 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

If you are advocating for a SK style tracing program, you are basically advocating for the CDC under the Trump administration to have access to all of your GPS localizing data, credit card and other financial records, police records, CCTV feeds from every major city, in essentially real time. Can you imagine the reaction if Trump would have proposed something like that in January?

Zero, nobody reads the fine print

[Anastasis 23395]

4 minutes ago, Bullneck said:

You asked that a while back.  He declined to answer. He's either retired or a school teacher.  I always thought he was FC Horn because he posts 500 times a day. But maybe he's Swam4.  

It takes a big lift to give jdf a run for stupidest CR poster but you are doing a mighty fine job. 

[Bama Chick 28596]

You first, you craggy drunkard.

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

I'll be shocked if they don't suggest self immolation next week.

[cactusflinthead 27594]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

If you are advocating for a SK style tracing program, you are basically advocating for the CDC under the Trump administration to have access to all of your GPS localizing data, credit card and other financial records, police records, CCTV feeds from every major city, in essentially real time. Can you imagine the reaction if Trump would have proposed something like that in January?

How about testing like SK? Start with that.

[Anastasis 23395]

1 minute ago, cactusflinthead said:

How about testing like SK? Start with that.

100% agree. They engaged private industry early to scale testing capacity. We bottlenecked the process through the cdc and fda sops. 

[ruitxn 295]

5 hours ago, HenryJames said:

 

Yep just informed by watching 7 hrs. of tv yesterday before showing up in oval office.

[cactusflinthead 27594]

Just now, Anastasis said:

100% agree. They engaged private industry early to scale testing capacity. We bottlenecked the process through the cdc and fda sops. 

Which started with Trump. We don't have tests because he doesn't want it to happen. Not because of the workers at the CDC and FDA. That's on Trump and his appointees 

[Anastasis 23395]

Just now, cactusflinthead said:

Which started with Trump. We don't have tests because he doesn't want it to happen. Not because of the workers at the CDC and FDA. That's on Trump and his appointees 

Trump didn’t write the bureaucratic sops. But he should have punted the regulations ASAP.  

[Message Board User 12389]

 

[henrygandorf 29177]

1 hour ago, GRHorn said:

If so, will the left suddenly want to reopen everything and roll the dice?

and there it is.

public safety and human lives are not left or right issues. unless you’re the president. then every “doctor” with their fancy “degree” and knowledge about trivial shit like “science” or “facts” is coming after you to have that gotcha moment.

first it was the ventilators, and we beat them on it. now it’s the testing, but we’ll kill half of our citizens before we let the libs win on that. 

[Message Board User 12389]

 

[TwiceHorn 31275]

3 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

Which started with Trump. We don't have tests because he doesn't want it to happen. Not because of the workers at the CDC and FDA. That's on Trump and his appointees 

Well, no, the FDA and CDC fuckups were good ol standard gubmint fuckups:  bureaucracy, red tape, and horseshit.  

The complete lack of recovery from the fuckups was a Trump special.

Edited April 26, 2020 by TwiceHorn

[Message Board User 12389]

This is a preview of what may be headed our way...

 

[cactusflinthead 27594]

Amazing how none of those fuck ups happened before Trump. Ebola, and the other ones. Must have had their shit together. Gee, I wonder how that happened. What if there was a pandemic response unit, a handbook, and a plan?

[Anastasis 23395]

3 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

Amazing how none of those fuck ups happened before Trump. Ebola, and the other ones. Must have had their shit together. Gee, I wonder how that happened. What if there was a pandemic response unit, a handbook, and a plan?

The competence of the CDC was called into question after they botched some very basic containment with Ebola. They were simply lucky that it was not transmitted via respiratory. 

[GRHorn 105]

1 minute ago, henrygandorf said:

and there it is.

public safety and human lives are not left or right issues. unless you’re the president. then every “doctor” with their fancy “degree” and knowledge about trivial shit like “science” or “facts” is coming after you to have that gotcha moment.

first it was the ventilators, and we beat them on it. now it’s the testing, but we’ll kill half of our citizens before we let the libs win on that. 

I’m interested to see what happens with the media narrative if public education is threatened in any way.
 

Actually I predict a media offensive against  homeschooling this summer as they realize people may just pull out. 

[cactusflinthead 27594]

7 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

The competence of the CDC was called into question after they botched some very basic containment with Ebola. They were simply lucky that it was not transmitted via respiratory. 

How many people died from Ebola?

2

[Anastasis 23395]

Just now, cactusflinthead said:

How many people died from Ebola?

2

And that was not as much a function of the competence of the CDC but rather a function of the contagiousness and transmission properties of Ebola. 

[cactusflinthead 27594]

16 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

Still not getting it

 

One year later, I was mystified when the White House dissolved the office, leaving the country less prepared for pandemics like covid-19.

The U.S. government’s slow and inadequate response to the new coronavirus underscores the need for organized, accountable leadership to prepare for and respond to pandemic threats.

--'

A directorate within the White House would have been responsible for coordinating the efforts of multiple federal agencies to make sure the government was backstopping testing capacity, devising approaches to manufacture and avoid shortages of personal protective equipment, strengthening U.S. lab capacity to process covid-19 tests, and expanding the health-care workforce.  

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/nsc-pandemic-office-trump-closed/2020/03/13/a70de09c-6491-11ea-acca-80c22bbee96f_story.html

 

Trump owns this. Not the CDC. Not the FDA. Stop trying to put the responsibility for this debacle anywhere besides his lap. This is the culmination of 50 years of telling people that bureaucracy is a problem. It's not the agencies. It's the leaders. 

Edited April 26, 2020 by cactusflinthead

[TwiceHorn 31275]

6 minutes ago, cactusflinthead said:

 

One year later, I was mystified when the White House dissolved the office, leaving the country less prepared for pandemics like covid-19.

The U.S. government’s slow and inadequate response to the new coronavirus underscores the need for organized, accountable leadership to prepare for and respond to pandemic threats.

--'

A directorate within the White House would have been responsible for coordinating the efforts of multiple federal agencies to make sure the government was backstopping testing capacity, devising approaches to manufacture and avoid shortages of personal protective equipment, strengthening U.S. lab capacity to process covid-19 tests, and expanding the health-care workforce.  

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/nsc-pandemic-office-trump-closed/2020/03/13/a70de09c-6491-11ea-acca-80c22bbee96f_story.html

 

Trump owns this. Not the CDC. Not the FDA. Stop trying to put the responsibility for this debacle anywhere besides his lap. This is the culmination of 50 years of telling people that bureaucracy is a problem. It's not the agencies. It's the leaders. 

No one is absolving Trump of anything by observing that CDC and FDA did standard, administration-independent gubmint fuckups.

Indeed, the dumbass, slow-roll emergency use authorization provisions of the FDA that clogged things up were enacted during the Obama administration.

It's real popular around here to trash Trump for observing that government kind of sucks.  That Trump sucks and makes it worse does not belie that fundamental truth.

This is only partially true.

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This is the culmination of 50 years of telling people that bureaucracy is a problem. It's not the agencies. It's the leaders. 

The agencies actually do, in fact, suck.  The leaders don't help.  The agencies probably suck a little worse now.

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

2 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

No one is absolving Trump of anything by observing that CDC and FDA did standard, administration-independent gubmint fuckups.

Indeed, the dumbass, slow-roll emergency use authorization provisions of the FDA that clogged things up were enacted during the Obama administration.

It's real popular around here to trash Trump for observing that government kind of sucks.  That Trump sucks and makes it worse does not belie that fundamental truth.

This is only partially true.

The agencies actually do, in fact, suck.  The leaders don't help.  The agencies probably suck a little worse now.

Probably a good idea to just go ahead and cut some of them.

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"It's three agencies of the government that when I get there that are gone," Perry said. "Commerce, Education, and the uh, um, what's the third one there, let's see."

 

[Anastasis 23395]

 

6 minutes ago, TwiceHorn said:

No one is absolving Trump of anything by observing that CDC and FDA did standard, administration-independent gubmint fuckups.

Indeed, the dumbass, slow-roll emergency use authorization provisions of the FDA that clogged things up were enacted during the Obama administration.

It's real popular around here to trash Trump for observing that government kind of sucks.  That Trump sucks and makes it worse does not belie that fundamental truth.

This is only partially true.

The agencies actually do, in fact, suck.  The leaders don't help.  The agencies probably suck a little worse now.

 

Fight the good fight Twice, but you will simply never break down the Orange Man Bad brain block barrier. 

[Bullneck 18987]

1 hour ago, Anastasis said:

It takes a big lift to give jdf a run for stupidest CR poster but you are doing a mighty fine job. 

Anna, you're the smartest guy in the room.  You have an answer for everything.