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  On 5/3/2020 at 1:25 PM, HenryJames said:

They don’t know patient zero. There are lots of mild or asymptomatic cases. So if patient zero was one of those, they most likely wouldn’t have sought treatment.

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OK, "Symptomatic Patient Zero".  That guy probably didn't go to the Wuhan wet market, either.  QED, boom.

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And it still occurred in China with which the government censored and (tried to) covered up so I'm not sure what his point is. 

Edit-- meant to quote Jimmy and Henry

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  On 5/3/2020 at 3:35 PM, TwiceHorn said:
Excellent points.  We're far too intertwined with China to effectuate any kind of economic sanctions, however competent the administration.

And, you're right, as long as China's behavior is not shown to have been intentional in the sense that they deliberately loosed a virus on the world, the precedent set by sanctioning accidental virus origin is dangerous.

China's "punishment" is probably going to be a global reevaluation of dependency on it for cheap goods and manufacturing.

Yeah this new “PUNISH CHINA FOR THIS” rallying cry is typically dumb.

 

Unless the Chinese government invented it and intentionally released it (which, come the fuck on), the plan to sanction and punish is just reactionary anger.

 

We didn’t punish Saudi Arabia for MERS, Uganda for Zika or West Nile, Mexico for H1N1, Guinea for Ebola.......

 

And if this started with lax security or outdated protocols at a Chinese lab, then maybe we should be helpful instead of punitive. We had Americans on the ground in Wuhan and In positions of influence in the WHO until Trump eliminated those positions.

 

Despite what the nutters at The Epoch Times and Alex Jones and the QAnon-ers are pushing, this isn’t China buttfucking the world.

 

It’s Mother Nature.

 

And when she decides to play Marie Curie again, she’s probably gonna start her next experiment with a virus in hillbilly roadkill or crawfish. And then sit back and laugh as the world blames the Americans who enjoy eating those disease vectors.

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  On 5/3/2020 at 7:28 PM, BigHorn said:
And it still occurred in China with which the government censored and (tried to) covered up so I'm not sure what his point is. 
Edit-- meant to quote Jimmy and Henry

Question -

Do you think our government has censored information and lied about this virus?
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  On 5/3/2020 at 7:35 PM, Bama Chick said:

And if this started with lax security or outdated protocols at a Chinese lab, then maybe we should be helpful instead of punitive. We had Americans on the ground in Wuhan and In positions of influence in the WHO until Trump eliminated those positions.

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What presence did we have in Wuhan that was eliminated?  I may have missed that one. 

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  On 5/3/2020 at 7:36 PM, Bama Chick said:


Question -

Do you think our government has censored information and lied about this virus?

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Not sure if I'd go so far as to say censored (you'd have to point out a specific instance) information but yes, they've absolutely lied almost every step of the way. 

Again, both the Chinese and American governments have put us into the mess we're in. I can acknowledge dotard's faults and China's separately, but that nuance is lost upon some. 

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  On 5/3/2020 at 7:40 PM, Anastasis said:

 

 

What presence did we have in Wuhan that was eliminated?  I may have missed that one. 

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Something about CDC funding. They had a team in wuhan pulled in 2017 iirc but someone else I'm sure will fact check me. 

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  On 5/3/2020 at 7:46 PM, BigHorn'13 said:

Something about CDC funding. They had a team in wuhan pulled in 2017 iirc but someone else I'm sure will fact check me. 

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Yeah, I remember the story about the CDC epidemiologist who was training Chinese equivalents, but don't recall a story about somebody embedded in Wuhan.  Where they affiliated with the lab?

Posted
  On 5/3/2020 at 2:02 PM, Bruh Man said:

What happened to Blue Lives Matter? And the Tea Party for that matter...

 

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This makes me feel a little better about the police being on the right correct side when the shit hits the fan. The capital P Police don't have much power during anarchy. The individual cop doesn't like treatment like this. 

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For our Pharm degree holders - interesting compilation of drugs that may be repurposed for treatment of Covid-19. From Nature - a peer reviewed accelerated article on the possible contenders:

"The novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2, the causative agent of COVID-19 respiratory disease, has infected over 2.3 million people, killed over 160,000, and caused worldwide social and economic disruption1,2.

There are currently no antiviral drugs with proven clinical efficacy, nor are there vaccines for its prevention, and these efforts are hampered by limited knowledge of the molecular details of SARS-CoV-2 infection.

To address this, we cloned, tagged and expressed 26 of the 29 SARS-CoV-2 proteins in human cells and identified the human proteins physically associated with each using affinity-purification mass spectrometry (AP-MS), identifying 332 high-confidence SARS-CoV-2-human protein-protein interactions (PPIs). Among these, we identify 66 druggable human proteins or host factors targeted by 69 compounds (29 FDA-approved drugs, 12 drugs in clinical trials, and 28 preclinical compounds). Screening a subset of these in multiple viral assays identified two sets of pharmacological agents that displayed antiviral activity: inhibitors of mRNA translation and predicted regulators of the Sigma1 and Sigma2 receptors. Further studies of these host factor targeting agents, including their combination with drugs that directly target viral enzymes, could lead to a therapeutic regimen to treat COVID-19."

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2286-9_reference.pdf

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Random question:  does anybody have the caseload and mortality data for Travis County?

EDIT:  I don't mean the current counts, I mean the daily data from early March or so.

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"There’s a little bit of a God complex,” one senior administration official said of the group. “They’re all about science, science, science, which is good, but sometimes there’s a little bit less of a consideration of politics when maybe there should be.”

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Once the FDA and U.S. Customs and Border Protection signed off on the deal, a Korean Air jet touched down at Baltimore-Washington International Marshall Airport on April 18 to deliver the supplies. Hogan said he was worried federal officials would try to commandeer the tests, so he had Maryland Army National Guard members and Maryland State Police officers escort and protect the cargo.

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Officials continued to debate how restaurants, bars and houses of worship should operate. The CDC circulated a 17-page document with strong recommendations, but many in the White House resisted, particularly when it came to restricting parishioners from singing in choirs or sharing hymnals and offering plates, and suggesting that restaurants use digital menus and avoid salad bars. The document has not been made public and is still in the editing process.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/34-days-of-pandemic-inside-trumps-desperate-attempts-to-reopen-america/2020/05/02/e99911f4-8b54-11ea-9dfd-990f9dcc71fc_story.html

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  On 5/3/2020 at 7:48 PM, Anastasis said:
Yeah, I remember the story about the CDC epidemiologist who was training Chinese equivalents, but don't recall a story about somebody embedded in Wuhan.  Where they affiliated with the lab?

My bad - I should have typed she was embedded in China not Wuhan. My fingers work faster than my brain.

She had visited both labs in Wuhan and reported concerns there but she herself was not based there.

She would have been invaluable in the early stages of the outbreak and who knows if we could have learned valuable information that could have led to America acting sooner by not having to rely solely on the Chinese government for information.
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  On 5/3/2020 at 8:36 PM, Bama Chick said:


My bad - I should have typed she was embedded in China not Wuhan. My fingers work faster than my brain.

She had visited both labs in Wuhan and reported concerns there but she herself was not based there.

She would have been invaluable in the early stages of the outbreak and who knows if we could have learned valuable information that could have led to America acting sooner by not having to rely solely on the Chinese government for information.

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Right, I don't recall hearing about site visits to Wuhan, but I guess it wouldn't surprise me.  My understanding is that she was training Chinese epidemiologists, not really doing field work.  But that is besides the point.

 

If the lab origin story pans out, I don't thinking pulling some CDC staff from Beijing is the smoking the gun.  The smoking gun is the wire from the US embassy back to State that communicated that teh Wuhan lab was fuckery and going to start a SARS pandemic. 

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  On 5/3/2020 at 7:48 PM, Anastasis said:

Yeah, I remember the story about the CDC epidemiologist who was training Chinese equivalents, but don't recall a story about somebody embedded in Wuhan.  Where they affiliated with the lab?

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-cdc-exclusiv-idUSKBN21910S

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The American disease expert, a medical epidemiologist embedded in China’s disease control agency, left her post in July, according to four sources with knowledge of the issue. The first cases of the new coronavirus may have emerged as early as November, and as cases exploded, the Trump administration in February chastised China for censoring information about the outbreak and keeping U.S. experts from entering the country to help.

“It was heartbreaking to watch,” said Bao-Ping Zhu, a Chinese American who served in that role, which was funded by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, between 2007 and 2011. “If someone had been there, public health officials and governments across the world could have moved much faster.”

Zhu and the other sources said the American expert, Dr. Linda Quick, was a trainer of Chinese field epidemiologists who were deployed to the epicenter of outbreaks to help track, investigate and contain diseases.

As an American CDC employee, they said, Quick was in an ideal position to be the eyes and ears on the ground for the United States and other countries on the coronavirus outbreak, and might have alerted them to the growing threat weeks earlier.

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-china-cdc-exclusiv/exclusive-u-s-slashed-cdc-staff-inside-china-prior-to-coronavirus-outbreak-idUSKBN21C3N5

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WASHINGTON(Reuters) - The Trump administration cut staff by more than two-thirds at a key U.S. public health agency operating inside China, as part of a larger rollback of U.S.-funded health and science experts on the ground there leading up to the coronavirus outbreak, Reuters has learned.

Most of the reductions were made at the Beijing office of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and occurred over the past two years, according to public CDC documents viewed by Reuters and interviews with four people familiar with the drawdown.

The Atlanta-based CDC, America’s preeminent disease fighting agency, provides public health assistance to nations around the world and works with them to help stop outbreaks of contagious diseases from spreading globally. It has worked in China for 30 years.

The CDC’s China headcount has shrunk to around 14 staffers, down from approximately 47 people since President Donald Trump took office in January 2017, the documents show. The four people, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the losses included epidemiologists and other health professionals.

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I think people get confused a little bit and made the jump from Beijing to Wuhan, although it's logical to think that more feet on the ground would have provided better intel from the secretive Chinese government.  Some will disagree.

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  On 5/3/2020 at 8:50 PM, Anastasis said:

Right, I don't recall hearing about site visits to Wuhan, but I guess it wouldn't surprise me.  My understanding is that she was training Chinese epidemiologists, not really doing field work.  But that is besides the point.

 

If the lab origin story pans out, I don't thinking pulling some CDC staff from Beijing is the smoking the gun.  The smoking gun is the wire from the US embassy back to State that communicated that teh Wuhan lab was fuckery and going to start a SARS pandemic. 

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Are you an epidemiologist? Because if you were, you would know an integral part of epidemiology training at CDC-type levels incorporates fieldwork (e.g. she was more than likely training future epidemiologists in the field).

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  On 5/3/2020 at 9:24 PM, UDontKnow said:

Are you an epidemiologist? Because if you were, you would know an integral part of epidemiology training at CDC-type levels incorporates fieldwork (e.g. she was more than likely training future epidemiologists in the field).

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It is not clear from anything I read that doing site visits to research facilities such as the Wuhan site was part of her role in China, but sounds like you might know more about it. 

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"The wearing of face coverings is little inconvenience to protect both the wearer and anyone with whom they have contact," McNickle said, condemning those who threatened violence. "It is unfortunate and distressing that those who refuse and threaten violence are so self-absorbed as to not follow what is a simple show of respect and kindness to others.

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  On 5/3/2020 at 10:05 PM, cactusflinthead said:

"The wearing of face coverings is little inconvenience to protect both the wearer and anyone with whom they have contact," McNickle said, condemning those who threatened violence. "It is unfortunate and distressing that those who refuse and threaten violence are so self-absorbed as to not follow what is a simple show of respect and kindness to others.

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So all you have to do is threaten violence and you can do whatever the fuck you want in Stillwater?

Seems like a good strategy.

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  On 5/3/2020 at 10:05 PM, cactusflinthead said:

"The wearing of face coverings is little inconvenience to protect both the wearer and anyone with whom they have contact," McNickle said, condemning those who threatened violence. "It is unfortunate and distressing that those who refuse and threaten violence are so self-absorbed as to not follow what is a simple show of respect and kindness to others.

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"Americans threaten violence and are so self-absorbed as to not follow what is a simple show of respect and kindness to others"

New National Motto

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For a little irony given where this virus originated I've found that now H Mart is the first choice grocery store I go for everything I can get there and only venture to regular stores if necessary simply because that's the only store that doesn't have fuck head Karen's and Bubba's walking around with no mask getting in your personal space. The Asian population here takes this more seriously than anyone else and no one is without a mask. 

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  On 5/3/2020 at 10:51 PM, Wanker Bob said:

"Americans threaten violence and are so self-absorbed as to not follow what is a simple show of respect and kindness to others"

New National Motto

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Sort of like “Do onto others as.....”

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  On 5/3/2020 at 10:44 PM, David Dennison said:

This country is fucked.

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This country has had people who have openly flaunted law and order for its entire existence.  The difference now is there's a major political party that openly supports that kind of behavior.

Modern day GOP politics is as hypocritical as anything this country has ever had.

 

 

 

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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/03/coronavirus-vaccine-trump-world-brawl-230142

 

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When global leaders gathered virtually last month at the behest of the World Health Organization to commit to distributing a future coronavirus vaccine in an internationally equitable way, the United States didn’t join in.

On Monday, the European Union is hosting a gathering for countries to pledge funding for research into vaccines and treatments for Covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus. But once again the U.S. government isn’t expected to participate.

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The Trump administration’s apparent lack of interest in cooperation has alarmed global health officials and diplomats as they seek to end a pandemic that has disabled economies and killed more than 240,000 people worldwide. The concerns are only deepening as President Donald Trump and his aides squabble with China and the WHO over the origins of the virus.

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The fear is that Trump will be content with allowing the race to develop and distribute the vaccine to devolve into a global contest -- and that poorer countries will be left behind in the rush to procure doses. In essence: that the president’s “America First” view of world affairs as an atavistic scramble for power will lead to unnecessary suffering and death.

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Posted
  On 5/3/2020 at 8:24 PM, bad_teammate said:

The government should exist, but only to protect me from my slaves. All else is tyranny.

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You joke but that was basically the position of the Southern states pre civil war.  Wanted a weak central government but strong enough to put down slave revolts.

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  On 5/3/2020 at 10:44 PM, David Dennison said:

This country is fucked.

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If by fucked you mean politically and societally divided to the point of polarization where something as fundamental as scientific truth cannot be agreed upon and the division is causing the cultural and economic downfall of the country...

Then yes. Since 1980 when Regan was elected it's been unfounded wars, massive deficit spending, destroying Latin America with the war on drugs, and devolving to an Idiocracy level of stupidity. 

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China pushing out older tech vax based on live attenuated strains. Oxford/AZ pumping out new tech that has yet to actually produce an approvable vax. There are obviously lots of companies doing everything in between, but I wouldn’t be surprised if China is first to market. The fda ain’t gonna let that shit near us shores though. 



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