CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[Wanker Bob 379]

25 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

what a world

The rest of the world isn't doing this stupid garbage. We are the retards humping the football in the middle of the dinner party

Edited May 3, 2020 by Wanker Bob

[Anastasis 23475]

2 minutes ago, Wanker Bob said:

The rest of the world isn't doing this stupid garbage. We are the retards humping the football in the middle of the dinner party

This took like one second to google. 
 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1276905/london-news-coroanvirus-protests-social-distancing-group-hug-uk-lockdown-video-pictures

[RPM 26322]

18 minutes ago, Dbeasy said:

Yay 60 Minutes story on Farm Subsidies will make you want to murder some people.

The story on Texas rural healthcare didn't cheer me up. They showed the hospital in Bowie that's shut down. So... close to home and all that.

[Anastasis 23475]

https://www.france24.com/en/20200314-french-yellow-vests-defy-coronavirus-measures-to-demonstrate-in-paris-on-eve-of-elections

[TheRealRonWeaver? 1258]

This took like one second to google. 
 
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1276905/london-news-coroanvirus-protests-social-distancing-group-hug-uk-lockdown-video-pictures

I guess it’s genetic. The stupidity.

[Anastasis 23475]

https://www.euronews.com/2020/04/11/coronavirus-turkey-s-last-minute-two-day-curfew-brings-thousands-to-streets

[Wanker Bob 379]

9 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

This took like one second to google. 
 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1276905/london-news-coroanvirus-protests-social-distancing-group-hug-uk-lockdown-video-pictures

The UK is just a different flavor of hyper racist dumb ass. 

Brexit and Boris out front shoulda told ya

[Gap03 3308]

8 minutes ago, Anastasis said:

https://www.france24.com/en/20200314-french-yellow-vests-defy-coronavirus-measures-to-demonstrate-in-paris-on-eve-of-elections

Jesus christ, it's time to work out a way to tag these dumb fucks so that (1) people can avoid them if they see them out and about and (2) hospitals can tell them to fuck all the way off when they come into hospitals demanding assistance (or, even better, lock them up together so that they can't infect anyone else at that point because you know they will try if left free).

[RayDog 682]

I have been thinking about how many deaths will there be by the election. At 60k a month we could be pushing 400,000. But this opening might cause a bigger spike that runs from late May into July. That could push it over 500k before November. Any good guesses?

Since those deaths will be predominantly Republican I can't help but think it is a bold strategy to kill a half million of your supporters in the run-up to an election. I can't see how this ends well for Republican politicians. 

[Nivek 16945]

8 hours ago, Lobo said:

Yeah, I used to think that was a lot of SJW bullshit, but armed white people are telling cops to go fuck themselves while they push them nearly to the ground and they're not only are they not getting arrested, they're almost being encouraged.  

Police brutality on people darker than Edgar Winter sickens me, but if any of you police wanna relieve some stress and haul off and beat the shit out of one of these redneck assholes and claim your body cam was undergoing a software update at the time, I am totally cool with it and will happily donate to the FOP charity of your choice.  

More likely they put the cops with good temperament up there to face off against the idiots whereas the other types of cops that would have "You're Fucked" written on the side of this AR-15 are out beating up teenagers and killing puppies.   

[washparkhorn 9939]

Just now, RayDog said:

I have been thinking about how many deaths will there be by the election. At 60k a month we could be pushing 400,000. But this opening might cause a bigger spike that runs from late May into July. That could push it over 500k before November. Any good guesses?

Since those deaths will be predominantly Republican I can't help but think it is a bold strategy to kill a half million of your supporters in the run-up to an election. I can't see how this ends well for Republican politicians. 

Doubling of the death rate is now at 34.6 days (it was 18.5 days a week ago). If we can get clean data, the death rate doubling time should provide us with some good information on the damage done by some abandoning safe distancing and masks. 

[HenryJames 66123]

 

[gmr548 16580]

The UK is just a different flavor of hyper racist dumb ass. 
Brexit and Boris out front shoulda told ya

The UK can consistently be counted on to compete with America for the world championship of dumbfuckery

[gmr548 16580]

 

Lol jfc

[Serak The Preparer 3431]

8 minutes ago, HenryJames said:

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

[Guest Lobo]

other than that, how was the interview Melania?  

[Poolflood 845]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

We’re going to get the mass suicide without the kool-aid.

Care to go first?

 

[Nivek 16945]

5 hours ago, Michael Knight said:

Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

Translation: fuck you, pay me.

[Patrick Bateman 3917]

59 minutes ago, RayDog said:

I have been thinking about how many deaths will there be by the election. At 60k a month we could be pushing 400,000. But this opening might cause a bigger spike that runs from late May into July. That could push it over 500k before November. Any good guesses?

Since those deaths will be predominantly Republican I can't help but think it is a bold strategy to kill a half million of your supporters in the run-up to an election. I can't see how this ends well for Republican politicians. 

I'm thinking that's too high unless we see a huge spike from re-opening.  IF the plateau effect eventually runs out of steam and we do see the down side of the curve, then I would think it'll be much less.  If you start seeing huge hotspots again in places where folks have started to drift from social distancing like Atlanta or Miami or Houston or Sacramento then there's cause for worry that this thing may just continue on at a 2k/day pace for several more months and that's scary as shit.  Also depends on what the "second wave" looks like and how deep we'd be in one come early November.  A final concern would be that we're under reporting deaths currently and almost 70k right now is more like 95k.  There's some really funky numbers out there currently including our own fatality rate which is curiously low.... extremely low for the amount of cases we've seen.

[Guest Lobo]

9 minutes ago, Nivek said:

Translation: fuck you, pay me.

Who coined that term on the old site?  

[Jhawkmvp 1489]

15 hours ago, DixonHur said:

It's nice to be respected again...

 

China is all kinds of messed up; however, I think Trump made a mistake blaming the Chinese before the election. China's internet censorship/hacking/propaganda operation makes Russia's look like a mom and pop operation. He better have factored in (narrator: he didn't) how much of a bump he can get in the USA by blaming China versus what China can do to hurt his re-election if they unleash their online propaganda and hacking operations against him.  That doesn't even touch on the other things people have brought up related to economic retaliation they could engage in.

We are not going to fare well in a economic/political confrontation with China when they think and plan decades down the road, when our current administration seems to have trouble thinking even a few days ahead.

[TommyGufano 6021]

6 minutes ago, Lobo said:

Who coined that term on the old site?  

Think it was Henry Hill

[Guest Lobo]

Just now, TommyGufano said:

Think it was Henry Hill

I guess we won't know for sure 'cause I'm assuming that current owner won't exactly release reliable past content. 

[Wanker Bob 379]

37 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

I'm thinking that's too high unless we see a huge spike from re-opening.  IF the plateau effect eventually runs out of steam and we do see the down side of the curve, then I would think it'll be much less.  If you start seeing huge hotspots again in places where folks have started to drift from social distancing like Atlanta or Miami or Houston or Sacramento then there's cause for worry that this thing may just continue on at a 2k/day pace for several more months and that's scary as shit.  Also depends on what the "second wave" looks like and how deep we'd be in one come early November.  A final concern would be that we're under reporting deaths currently and almost 70k right now is more like 95k.  There's some really funky numbers out there currently including our own fatality rate which is curiously low.... extremely low for the amount of cases we've seen.

Based on the lack of testing for the living and how zero dead bodies found at home get tested I'd be shocked if we aren't at our above 100k deaths right now. 

 

[Upgrayedd 5814]

Phoenix protester with AK knockoff hot or not?

[RPM 26322]

1 minute ago, Upgrayedd said:

Phoenix protester with AK knockoff hot or not?

Well she's batshit cray so the sex is off the hook.

[Wanker Bob 379]

3 minutes ago, RPM said:

Well she's batshit cray so the sex is off the hook.

Just have to bend her over and bury her face in the mattress/couch/pavement. No face to face contact. 

[Brisketexan 105155]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/03/coronavirus-vaccine-trump-world-brawl-230142
 

When global leaders gathered virtually last month at the behest of the World Health Organization to commit to distributing a future coronavirus vaccine in an internationally equitable way, the United States didn’t join in.
On Monday, the European Union is hosting a gathering for countries to pledge funding for research into vaccines and treatments for Covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus. But once again the U.S. government isn’t expected to participate.

 
 

The Trump administration’s apparent lack of interest in cooperation has alarmed global health officials and diplomats as they seek to end a pandemic that has disabled economies and killed more than 240,000 people worldwide. The concerns are only deepening as President Donald Trump and his aides squabble with China and the WHO over the origins of the virus.

 

The fear is that Trump will be content with allowing the race to develop and distribute the vaccine to devolve into a global contest -- and that poorer countries will be left behind in the rush to procure doses. In essence: that the president’s “America First” view of world affairs as an atavistic scramble for power will lead to unnecessary suffering and death.

 
Spoiler

“The worst situation would be, if when these tools are available, they go to the highest bidder -- that would be terrible for the world,” said Melinda Gates, who, along with her tech entrepreneur husband, Bill, leads a powerful foundation that has devoted billions to health research. “Covid-19 anywhere is Covid-19 everywhere. And that’s why it’s got to take global cooperation.”
The ongoing global scramble for masks, gloves and other personal protective gear offers a harrowing and potentially instructive example. Now imagine, officials and experts say, a similar competition to obtain vaccine doses: It could drag out the health crisis by letting the virus spread for longer than it otherwise might, devastating the very countries least equipped to fight it.
And there are other risks. For one thing, another country, such as China, might develop a vaccine first and find ways to limit access to Americans.
“You would think that, based on the past, that the U.S. would be a galvanizing, lead element in pushing for transparency and early planning” on the vaccine front, said Stephen Morrison, who runs a global health program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. “I don’t think that’s true in this administration.”
A European ambassador said he and his colleagues remain “hopeful” that the United States will take the lead on ensuring fair global vaccine access. “But we are a bit skeptical at the moment,” he said, “because we don’t see the forthcoming attitude that we’ve seen in the past.”
One disputed report in particular is driving much of the angst: that the Trump administration tried to acquire exclusive rights to the coronavirus vaccine business of CureVac, a German-based company. Trump aides and CureVac officials adamantly denied the mid-March report, but German officials confirmed and condemned it.
The U.S. is planning an intense push to create a vaccine and have enough doses available to cover most Americans by the end of this year, the president confirmed this week. The project is called “Operation Warp Speed,” according to Bloomberg News and other media reports, which described it as an effort to compress the usual process for developing a vaccine into a shorter timeline.
Asked about the project Thursday, Trump said he was in charge of it and that he was not overpromising. “Whatever the maximum is, whatever you can humanly do, we’re going to have,” the president said.
Health officials and analysts caution that it’s too early to go into full-fledged panic about a looming global vaccine fistfight.
An acceptable vaccine could be at least a year to 18 months away; companies across the world, especially in the United States, Europe and China, are in the hunt to find a vaccine, and some trials are already underway. Some diplomats carefully pointed out that by the time vaccines are ready for sale and distribution, Trump may no longer be president, and his “America First” ideas may be shunted aside.
“You have the election in six months’ time -- you never know,” an Asian diplomat told POLITICO.
But further blurring the picture is the fact that the global health infrastructure isn’t entirely under the thumb of any one government. It’s a complex amalgam of government bodies, private companies, NGOs, foundations and multilateral partnerships that at times do overlapping work. 
There’s no binding treaty or other mechanism that governs how a vaccine will be produced and distributed worldwide. And while the World Health Organization has for decades offered a forum for coordination, discussion and standard-setting, its authority is still limited, including when it comes to private companies with profit motives.
Trump has also dealt a blow to the WHO by recently pausing America’s substantial funding for it. He alleges that the U.N. body effectively helped China cover up the extent of the crisis when the virus first emerged in the Chinese city of Wuhan last year. The WHO’s supporters say Trump is trying to deflect attention from his own downplaying of the crisis early on.
But the growing U.S. hostility to the WHO is hardly the only obstacle to international coordination on a vaccine rollout: China likewise did not express support last month for a new global partnership to coordinate research and development for vaccines, tests and coronavirus cures. The absence of the two pharma powerhouses from the April 24 gathering, led in part by the WHO, disappointed European leaders, who are pushing for a cooperative approach. French President Emmanuel Macron said he hoped they could “reconcile this initiative with China and the U.S.”
Officials involved in the April 24 gathering as well as Monday’s planned EU-led conference stress that there is an American presence in such events even if the U.S. government itself doesn’t formally take part. A number of foundations, companies and others playing a role are U.S.-based.
“There is a strong American footprint in the whole construction,” European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said about Monday’s gathering in an interview with France 24. “We have a lot of American scientists and philanthropists that are working with us in this global framework we’ve created. The government of the United States is informed. And I hope they consider to participate.”
Asked about the Trump administration’s participation and plans for future international coordination on vaccines, a spokesperson for the U.S. State Department offered a vague comment that attacked the WHO.
“America’s world-leading scientists are working hard on a Covid-19 vaccine,” the spokesperson said. “We welcome serious efforts to assist in that endeavor and look forward to learning more about the World Health Organization’s proposal. We remain deeply concerned about the WHO’s effectiveness, given that its gross failures helped fuel the current pandemic.”
Spokespersons for the White House and the Department of Health and Human Services did not offer comment. 
The United States has historically been a leader in global vaccine initiatives, often footing much of the bill. Its interest dates back decades and covers successful efforts to eradicate or dramatically constrain diseases such as smallpox, polio and measles. The focus has often been on vaccinating children so that they never fall ill and over time contribute to what’s known as “herd immunity” in their broader communities.
But infectious disease crises that have arisen in more recent years have exposed weaknesses in a system that relies so much on goodwill and benevolence, rather than any particular set of international rules.
For example, the rise in 2009 of an H1N1 novel influenza led wealthier nations to put in large advanced orders for a vaccine and buy most of what was eventually manufactured, angering developing countries who lacked similar funds. The WHO and others managed to secure pledges of donations for the poorer countries, but even those were limited, according to research posted by the National Center for Biotechnology Information. 
The Covid-19 crisis is in many ways more severe, with infections in more than 180 countries. Aside from the vaccine issue, it has exposed the frailty of global cooperation in other ways. Efforts to work together at the G-7, G-20 and United Nations level have had limited impact amid finger-pointing between Washington and Beijing.
It’s not just the U.S. that has put the needs of its own citizens first. Dozens of countries, including the U.S. and some in Europe, have imposed travel restrictions as well as limits on the exports of masks and other critical medical equipment.
Global health leaders are trying to avoid a repeat of such nationalist tactics when it comes to vaccines and other types of medicines that could combat Covid-19. They warn in particular that leaving the virus to fester in one country could, simply due to migration patterns, mean it will re-emerge elsewhere. And they say that a globally coordinated approach to distributing a vaccine -- prioritizing at-risk populations, for instance -- would yield better results.
Melinda Gates told POLITICO in an interview that medical workers should be at the head of the line for vaccinations because of their regular exposure to the virus. She also praised European leaders for being out in front in coordinating on vaccines and therapeutics.
“It’s the European leaders, quite honestly, who understand that we need global cooperation,” she said.
National security officials and public health experts also are increasingly concerned about the prospect of China developing a vaccine first, and how America’s unwillingness to take charge of global vaccine coordination might help both China’s economy and its propaganda efforts. 
“China does have a head start” in the global effort to come up with a vaccine, said one national security official who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss U.S. government concerns. “But they also have a pattern of theft and trying to steal everyone else’s research. So you would think they’d be very benevolent [with the vaccine] so as not to be seen as a pariah.” 
A spike in hacking attempts on U.S. hospitals and labs, which intelligence and national security officials have attributed primarily to China, is a sign of how high the stakes are for the Chinese government — especially as it attempts to repair its reputation amid accusations that it covered up the origins and severity of the novel coronavirus late last year.
“They know that whoever finds a workable vaccine right now basically rules the world,” said another national security official. 
The propaganda coup alone is a strong incentive, experts said. But the economic and diplomatic implications of being the first to develop a vaccine, especially if the U.S. continues to retreat, would be enormous for the Chinese Communist Party. 
Being able to vaccinate its own population first, for example, would serve as a strong “economic rudder” for China and allow it to fully open its economy to global companies, said Dr. Ross McKinney, Jr., the chief scientific officer at the Association of American Medical Colleges. 
It would also yield diplomatic leverage, said Matt Kroenig, a former Pentagon and CIA official who now serves as deputy director at the Atlantic Council’s Scowcroft Center. 
“Often, Chinese offers of aid come with strings attached,” said Kroenig, whose new book examines American power competition with China. “So they could use it as a way to try to increase their influence and further push out the U.S.”
But the question remains of whether the world would even trust a vaccine produced by China, Kroenig noted, given the recent episodes of China delivering faulty medical equipment to Europe. 
“One of the great advantages the U.S. has in this competition is that we have these 30 formal treaty allies with leading scientific research communities,” Kroenig said. “So we could and should be doing a much better job of galvanizing allies and bringing them together” on the vaccine issue. 
Having perceived a void in U.S. leadership in this area, the Atlantic Council convened an “allied town hall” on Tuesday to discuss how the U.S. and its allies could better cooperate on vaccine development — but the fact that a think tank, rather than the Trump administration, organized the event only drove the point home for some attendees that the U.S. is not positioning itself as a leader in this space.
Meanwhile, as their governments have been sparring, American and Chinese scientists have actually been cooperating on Covid-19 research. Researchers in the U.S. and China have co-authored about 407 papers on coronavirus this year, according to data compiled by Axios, and Pennsylvania-based Inovio Pharmaceuticals announced in January that it was collaborating with Beijing Advaccine Biotechnology Co. on a Covid-19 vaccine.
Such collaboration can be positive “as long as the information flows both ways,” said McKinney, of the AAMC. “But we’ve been finding that the information does not always flow both ways. So there is some asymmetry going on with regard to the research efforts that I think is the worry.”
Other joint U.S.-China research efforts have spawned mistrust: The Trump administration recently cut off grant funding to an American NGO that had been working with Chinese scientists at a lab in Wuhan, China, that some in the Trump administration suspect was responsible for unleashing the virus on the world.
Some officials and diplomats argue that instead of waiting for Washington and Beijing to cooperate on a vaccine, it’s better to work with those who are willing to cooperate now, while leaving the door open for the U.S. and China to join later.
“We can be in the camp of those who say without the U.S. and without China it’s useless, and we give up and we wait for the vaccine to maybe come one day, or we take action and find our third way,” a French official said.

 

China pushing out older tech vax based on live attenuated strains. Oxford/AZ pumping out new tech that has yet to actually produce an approvable vax. There are obviously lots of companies doing everything in between, but I wouldn’t be surprised if China is first to market. The fda ain’t gonna let that shit near us shores though. 

What’s gonna be FANTASTIC is this scenario: after we told them “fuck off, we ain’t gonna share shit,” the rest of the world develops vaccines. They get them first. We stay fucked.
“America first” really just means “America alone,” which in this case may mean “America last.”

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

I’ve been wondering how soon will other countries start halting travel altogether from the United States. 

[Wanker Bob 379]

7 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I’ve been wondering how soon will other countries start halting travel altogether from the United States. 

Have they not already? Isn't international travel shut down? I'd be shocked if we aren't treated as the lepers of the world if we're predictably still bumbling this thing while the rest of the world is mostly recovered and opening up travel again. 

Now as long as we have loads of money to blow in other countries they'll always welcome us back... Eventually. How long will be the question. 

Edited May 4, 2020 by Wanker Bob

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

1 minute ago, Wanker Bob said:

Have they not already? Isn't international travel shut down? I'd be shocked if we aren't treated as the lepers of the world if we're predictably still bumbling this thing while the rest of the world is mostly recovered and opening up travel again. 

Now as long as we have loads of money to blow in other countries they'll always welcome us back... Eventually. How long will be the question. 

I’m talking about other countries coming out of this and lifting travel restrictions to other countries free and clear.  They would keep the United States population isolated and restrict travel because we decided not to seriously fight the virus now.  

[otisdog 365]

My neighbor just flew to London because "he was bored."

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

1 hour ago, Upgrayedd said:

Phoenix protester with AK knockoff hot or not?

Derka thinks she is a smoke show

[tantric superman 4667]

1 hour ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

I’m talking about other countries coming out of this and lifting travel restrictions to other countries free and clear.  They would keep the United States population isolated and restrict travel because we decided not to seriously fight the virus now.  

Plus, our money's no good there.

[Irieguy 1059]

2 hours ago, Lobo said:

I guess we won't know for sure 'cause I'm assuming that current owner won't exactly release reliable past content. 

Lobo, you are one dumb fuck. It’s from Goodfellas. The Henry Hill character played by Ray Liotta. Jesus, man. 

Edited May 4, 2020 by Irieguy

[AngryDragon 270]

5 hours ago, Wanker Bob said:

For a little irony given where this virus originated I've found that now H Mart is the first choice grocery store I go for everything I can get there and only venture to regular stores if necessary simply because that's the only store that doesn't have fuck head Karen's and Bubba's walking around with no mask getting in your personal space. The Asian population here takes this more seriously than anyone else and no one is without a mask. 

HMart is a Korean chain. You'll see them in almost every market that has a decent sized Korean population.. They've gotten pretty popular with the other Asians as well so the secret's out. The food court in the Austin location is pretty damn good. 

People in Korea regularly wear masks during the summer because of China and the pollution they cause with the yellow dust they send over.  So they're used to getting f'ed by China through no fault of their own.

One thing I've thought about recently when it comes to the vaccine. If a vaccine is made I hope it comes from some place like Korea or Taiwan or Germany. The last 2 countries that can be counted on to handle it properly is China and the US. 

[yoladu 4094]

5 hours ago, Anastasis said:

what a world

Ducebag is a Dumb-A-Crap?

Am I not bright enough to understand what this means?

Edited May 4, 2020 by yoladu

[yoladu 4094]

3 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

I'm thinking that's too high unless we see a huge spike from re-opening.  IF the plateau effect eventually runs out of steam and we do see the down side of the curve, then I would think it'll be much less.  If you start seeing huge hotspots again in places where folks have started to drift from social distancing like Atlanta or Miami or Houston or Sacramento then there's cause for worry that this thing may just continue on at a 2k/day pace for several more months and that's scary as shit.  Also depends on what the "second wave" looks like and how deep we'd be in one come early November.  A final concern would be that we're under reporting deaths currently and almost 70k right now is more like 95k.  There's some really funky numbers out there currently including our own fatality rate which is curiously low.... extremely low for the amount of cases we've seen.

So far we have had a three week plus plateau. Countries like Spain and Italy, had a plateau of one day and then began a steady drop. What's going on over here in 'Merica?

"If", you say?

Edited May 4, 2020 by yoladu

[tchookem 3900]

Why aren't we simply saying the truth that is staring every American in the face? Regardless if his lies, regardless of his spin, regardless of his deflection and blame...

For everything he claims he tried, the simple fact is, it wasn't good enough.

It. Wasn't. Good. Enough.

China ban? It wasn't good enough.
Whatever claim they try to make... it wasn't good enough.

And what does America do when someone can't do the job? We find someone else.

I'm sure there's no number that will convince his followers that Trump wasn't up to the task, but I can't see any reasonable American seeing where we are and saying he was good enough.

[Bama Chick 28596]

I guess we won't know for sure 'cause I'm assuming that current owner won't exactly release reliable past content. 

[deech 2291]

28 minutes ago, tchookem said:

Why aren't we simply saying the truth that is staring every American in the face? Regardless if his lies, regardless of his spin, regardless of his deflection and blame...

For everything he claims he tried, the simple fact is, it wasn't good enough.

It. Wasn't. Good. Enough.

China ban? It wasn't good enough.
Whatever claim they try to make... it wasn't good enough.

And what does America do when someone can't do the job? We find someone else.

I'm sure there's no number that will convince his followers that Trump wasn't up to the task, but I can't see any reasonable American seeing where we are and saying he was good enough.
 

Have you paid attention the last three years?  It's not his fault China lied.  It's not his fault - Russia Hoax distracted him.  It's not his fault these damn governors.  It's not his fault the Deep State his working against him.  It's not his fault - Democrats wanted everyone to die and for him to look bad so they can win an election.  

The issue is there are too many Americans who are not reasonable.

[tchookem 3900]

Have you paid attention the last three years?  It's not his fault China lied.  It's not his fault - Russia Hoax distracted him.  It's not his fault these damn governors.  It's not his fault the Deep State his working against him.  It's not his fault - Democrats wanted everyone to die and for him to look bad so they can win an election.  

The issue is there are too many Americans who are not reasonable.

So they admit he wasn't up to the task?

He wasn't good enough and should be removed.

[Wanker Bob 379]

2 hours ago, yoladu said:

So far we have had a three week plus plateau. Countries like Spain and Italy, had a plateau of one day and then began a steady drop. What's going on over here in 'Merica?

"If", you say?

NY/NJ/CT has had a drop while the rest of America has had a steady rise. That's why it looks like a plateau

Edited May 4, 2020 by Wanker Bob

[Bookman 4639]

9 hours ago, Patrick Bateman said:

There's some really funky numbers out there currently including our own fatality rate which is curiously low.... extremely low for the amount of cases we've seen.

Aren't we over 5%?

[Bartles 769]

I think the plateau will last around a month. We just have a huge population living in/near poverty, and also a huge elderly population. Their lifestyles don't allow them to fight off the virus. They have no choice but to mingle with others in service jobs, food banks, shelters, nursing homes, etc. Not mot mention their own overcrowded homes in many cases.

The media attention naturally goes to the dumbass spring breakers, the Karens and the NRA cultists. All of whom will also have cases, but it's the poor/old group that keeps the numbers sky-high.

[Dnaguy 12002]

4 hours ago, deech said:

Have you paid attention the last three years?  It's not his fault China lied.  It's not his fault - Russia Hoax distracted him.  It's not his fault these damn governors.  It's not his fault the Deep State his working against him.  It's not his fault - Democrats wanted everyone to die and for him to look bad so they can win an election.  

The issue is there are too many Americans who are not reasonable.

 

4 hours ago, tchookem said:

So they admit he wasn't up to the task?

He wasn't good enough and should be removed.

 

They won’t admit it because his voters identify with The victimhood Trump spouts.

Why are all his most passionate supporters generally middle-aged / old white people? Why is the religious right so much in his camp? The rich?

They identify as victims. 

• Middle aged / old whites are so used to getting their way, so used to being born on 2nd base that when shit goes sideways it has to be the ‘others’ fault. Whatever that is. Deep state, immigrants, minorities, China, etc.
• The religious right has been on the victim trip for way longer. But their 1980’s-today dance with the Republican Party has really amped it up. No prayer in school, abortion, falling church attendance, etc has all been due to the colluding forces of the devil, the secular left, feminists, Jews, Muslims, and the communists.
• The rich are victims because their money is always under attack. They must at all times defend it from increased taxes or increased costs due to government actions. Much of those actions are due to the larger amount of the less worthy folks who aren’t of the same ilk as them. They view government / the public sector for those who aren’t smart enough to make it in the private sector. They view anyone not rich as somehow less than because the only really objective score in life is how much $ you have. That’s your worth.

There’s a lot of overlap between groups, I know.

But if they all are to admit that he’s not up to the task, then they’d be admitting that the reason their life sucks (well not for the rich.... they’d have to admit they were wrong which may be worse for people with egos that large) is because they aren’t up to the task.

 

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6 hours ago, AngryDragon said:

HMart is a Korean chain. You'll see them in almost every market that has a decent sized Korean population.. They've gotten pretty popular with the other Asians as well so the secret's out. The food court in the Austin location is pretty damn good. 

People in Korea regularly wear masks during the summer because of China and the pollution they cause with the yellow dust they send over.  So they're used to getting f'ed by China through no fault of their own.

One thing I've thought about recently when it comes to the vaccine. If a vaccine is made I hope it comes from some place like Korea or Taiwan or Germany. The last 2 countries that can be counted on to handle it properly is China and the US. 

Yea, we have O-mart here, essentially the same thing. I had to run in there last week, they have a security guard posted at the door and large signs all around the entrance stating masks are mandatory. Guard won’t let you past without one. The store has them available for people that show up without one. I wish the rest of the stores around here would follow suit. 

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7 hours ago, Irieguy said:

Lobo, you are one dumb fuck. It’s from Goodfellas. The Henry Hill character played by Ray Liotta. Jesus, man. 

.  I was referring to who used the phrase for Mack Brown when we renamed him FUPM?  I think there was a poster on there named Henry Hill (or maybe Hank Hill?), thought maybe that's what you referring to.  The original phrase comes from Nick Peleggi, then Ray Liotta/Henry Hill.  And then it became ubiquitous on the old site for Mack Brown.  Anyway, I'm dumb...my bad.

Back to politics....Trump this morning is already walking back some his numbers from his interview at Lincoln Memorial.  At least he's up and working

 

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53 minutes ago, Bookman said:

Aren't we over 5%?

Based on Worldometers, Texas has a fatality rate of around 2.8%.  If you do a sort, most of the states under 3% (of which there are around 10) are R strongholds, which makes it seem like they may not be counting some deaths that other states would count.  It looks like the average fatality rate for states without huge outbreaks (e.g., NY, MI, LA, etc.) is in the 4-5% range.