CR: COVID-19 --Political Talk

[Biff Tannen 45687]

1 hour ago, Nice Guy Eddie said:

This isn't the Twitter feud that we need, it's the Twitter feud we deserve.

Axl's response is...I don't know what he's saying.

 

 

 

 

Axl Rose

 

@axlrose

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8h

 

Replying to

@stevenmnuchin1

My bad I didn’t get we’re hoping 2 emulate Liberia’s economic model but on the real unlike this admin I’m not responsible for 70k+ deaths n’ unlike u I don’t hold a fed gov position of responsibility 2 the American people n’ go on TV tellin them 2 travel the US during a pandemic.

[Anastasis 23469]

1 hour ago, DDD Dad said:

Looks like both sides are covered, amirite?

More like all sides.  We can put the "Please do this better" thread in cluster c. 

[Continental Op 3934]

I take it you haven’t visited the DT thread yet this morning.

Are we still debating the 100 percent not political topic of nurses who went to New York City paying New York City taxes on wages earned while in New York City?

[4th&Five 41554]

 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

Trump is so fucking stupid.

[DDD Dad 14339]

7 minutes ago, 4th&Five said:

 

So maybe antibodies don't provide immunity?  DoD simply being overly careful in light of many unknowns?

[DDD Dad 14339]

16 minutes ago, Continental Op said:

1 hour ago, DDD Dad said:

I take it you haven’t visited the DT thread yet this morning.

Are we still debating the 100 percent not political topic of nurses who went to New York City paying New York City taxes on wages earned while in New York City?

Pretty much.

[TXSG8R 3362]

28 minutes ago, Biff Tannen said:

Axl's response is...I don't know what he's saying.

 

 

 

 

Axl Rose

 

@axlrose

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8h

 

Replying to

@stevenmnuchin1

My bad I didn’t get we’re hoping 2 emulate Liberia’s economic model but on the real unlike this admin I’m not responsible for 70k+ deaths n’ unlike u I don’t hold a fed gov position of responsibility 2 the American people n’ go on TV tellin them 2 travel the US during a pandemic.

Mnuchin's initial response to Axl had a liberian flag on it instead of the US flag.  The rest is him saying hes not responsible for 70k deaths, isnt in a position of responsibility, and didnt tell people to travel during the pandemic unlike Mnuchin.  

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

The military is going to have challenges enforcing that without testing and tracing. 

[Aqua Buddha 14597]

The Google doc attached is a give page, sourced rebuttal to not only the Plandemic "doctor" but every other right wing conspiracy theory going on right now.  Highly recommend reading it.

[Gatorubet 30239]

and we haven't even seen the fallout yet from the "early-opening" red states.

Fall out, fall downs, same thing.

Trump should have this inscription on the base of his statue in front of the West Virginia shit-hole location of the “Trump Presidential Library, Casino and Freedom Gift Shop”:

‘He Ended The Suffering of Millions of The Elderly and Infirm’

[bolverk 29673]

5 minutes ago, Hugo Stiglitz said:

The military is going to have challenges enforcing that without testing and tracing. 

The document says that if the candidate doesn't clear the pre-screening process, which includes taking temp and asking questions, they can go home and come back to re-apply. But, if he/she does get lab tested with positive results, that candidate is barred. It's a weird decision-making process.

ETA: It's kind of like they're encouraging candidates to NOT get tested and traced.

Edited May 7, 2020 by bolverk

[TXSG8R 3362]

19 minutes ago, DDD Dad said:

So maybe antibodies don't provide immunity?  DoD simply being overly careful in light of many unknowns?

That has to be some temporary measure to reduce spread, and/or they dont understand the long term health impacts to recruits.  Otherwise, youre basically destroying the ability to recruit long term.

[bolverk 29673]

1 minute ago, TXSG8R said:

That has to be some temporary measure to reduce spread, and/or they dont understand the long term health impacts to recruits.  Otherwise, youre basically destroying the ability to recruit long term.

The original tweet has disappeared...so we might want to back off for the moment. Here's the Military Times article on the topic, which makes it sound permanent:

“During the medical history interview or examination, a history of COVID-19, confirmed by either a laboratory test or a clinician diagnosis, is permanently disqualifying ...” the memo reads.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/05/06/coronavirus-survivors-banned-from-joining-the-military/

[WhatTheBuck 28781]

54 minutes ago, Grandioso said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/what-are-we-doing-doctors-are-fed-conspiracies-ravaging-ers-n1201446

 

It's best to just ignore the trolls, doc. 

[DDD Dad 14339]

1 minute ago, bolverk said:

The original tweet has disappeared...so we might want to back off for the moment. Here's the Military Times article on the topic, which makes it sound permanent:

“During the medical history interview or examination, a history of COVID-19, confirmed by either a laboratory test or a clinician diagnosis, is permanently disqualifying ...” the memo reads.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/05/06/coronavirus-survivors-banned-from-joining-the-military/

I read that as "permanent" not as a policy but as to eligibility for service under our current understanding of the virus and its potential long-term and even possible permanent effects, but subject to revision (as a policy) as more is learned about the virus.

[bolverk 29673]

1 minute ago, DDD Dad said:

I read that as "permanent" not as a policy but as to eligibility for service under our current understanding of the virus and its potential long-term and even possible permanent effects, but subject to revision (as a policy) as more is learned about the virus.

You're the lawyer so I don't have a problem with you taking the lead on interpreting something so confusing. 

[Biff Tannen 45687]

13 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

The Google doc attached is a give page, sourced rebuttal to not only the Plandemic "doctor" but every other right wing conspiracy theory going on right now.  Highly recommend reading it.

That's about 5 pages too long for anyone that believed this to begin with.

[Aqua Buddha 14597]

1 minute ago, Biff Tannen said:

That's about 5 pages too long for anyone that believed this to begin with.

You could show that to someone who believes this and they’d tell you not to believe things you read on the internet.

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

9 hours ago, Horn Under a Bad Sign said:

 

I'd hit it. 

Going to need a ton of lube

[4th&Five 41554]

[bad_teammate 13195]

Please please please please please oh god please <thing I won't say out loud because of the NSA> please please please

That would be wonderful.

[Aqua Buddha 14597]

Is Trump patient zero?

[WhatTheBuck 28781]

13 hours ago, Francisco 2.0 said:

I have no idea how legit this is, but lulz.

Looks questionable. One time stamp, no date stamps. And it's in image format rather than Twitter format. I'd bet on it being fake. 

If I wanted to troll Costco's mandatory mask rule (if one exists), I'd say, "I'd be happy to wear a mask in your store. Please sell me a box of twenty."

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

2 hours ago, TornACL said:

We made a deal with the government that we'd pause our lives for a while as they got their shit together. 

Now we're arguing among ourselves about whether or not to open back up, but what has the government done with these eight weeks we gave them? 

An incremental increase in testing. That appears to be it. So virtually nothing. 

Instead of arguing amongst ourselves, everyone should be mad at everyone in elected offices. It shouldn't be a political issue, but we're all fucking morons. 

And by politicizing the issue, elected officials can continue to hide from their duty to serve us. 

One side is doing a better job than the other, but there is zero fucking doubt both are playing politics and it's infuriating. 

[The Royal We 3072]

54 minutes ago, Aqua Buddha said:

You could show that to someone who believes this and they’d tell you not to believe things you read on the internet.

Thank you for posting this.  Unfortunately I have some family members that are being swept up in all of this BS and I can't figure out what to do about it.  It's such a tough thing to deal with due to this very dynamic you mention - they completely shut out any information that is not from one of the kooks like Judy Mikovits.  It's f'n hard on me man, I wish I was better equipped to combat this.  I'd completely ignore it if I didn't think it could put my parents in harms way.

[DixonHur 11305]

1 hour ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Is Trump patient zero?

He certainly isn't patient hero

[Guest Lobo]

He certainly is behaving like Patient Nero. 

[Pescado_Rojo 19416]

1 hour ago, Biff Tannen said:

That's about 5 pages too long for anyone that believed this to begin with.

Shit, those nuts will read absolute garbage on the internet until 4:00 AM, but show them something that's scientifically sound and peer reviewed and it's FAKE NEWS!!!

[jimmyjazz 45957]

43 minutes ago, The Royal We said:

Thank you for posting this.  Unfortunately I have some family members that are being swept up in all of this BS and I can't figure out what to do about it.  It's such a tough thing to deal with due to this very dynamic you mention - they completely shut out any information that is not from one of the kooks like Judy Mikovits.  It's f'n hard on me man, I wish I was better equipped to combat this.  I'd completely ignore it if I didn't think it could put my parents in harms way.

Most people aren't trained to question new information.  They seek "facts" that reinforce their gut instincts.  Some would say this has gotten worse over time, and that may be true.  I tend to believe it's always been part of human nature, but we're not only hearing more of it because of social media, it may be getting amplified because of the echo chamber effect that social media provides.

My first response to that video was "is she legit?"  My first response to criticisms debunking her work was "are these criticisms coming from someone with an agenda?"  I believe that's the way everything should be judged.  Ultimately, I dug in a bit and found enough info about her sketchy past (among other things) to conclude that the criticism of her work is sound.  I didn't just jump to that conclusion because it aligns with my political beliefs.  I am comfortable with that conclusion because my beliefs are constantly being evaluated when new information comes to light, and I consider them pretty damn battle tested.

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

9 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

Most people aren't trained to question new information.  They seek "facts" that reinforce their gut instincts.  Some would say this has gotten worse over time, and that may be true.  I tend to believe it's always been part of human nature, but we're not only hearing more of it because of social media, it may be getting amplified because of the echo chamber effect that social media provides.

My first response to that video was "is she legit?"  My first response to criticisms debunking her work was "are these criticisms coming from someone with an agenda?"  I believe that's the way everything should be judged.  Ultimately, I dug in a bit and found enough info about her sketchy past (among other things) to conclude that the criticism of her work is sound.  I didn't just jump to that conclusion because it aligns with my political beliefs.  I am comfortable with that conclusion because my beliefs are constantly being evaluated when new information comes to light, and I consider them pretty damn battle tested.

It's absolutely gotten worse over time.  It's just so easy to find thousands of like minded dipshits if you choose to do so today...it's called the internet.  Back in the day those morons didn't have their voice amplified like they do today.  In the end, it will likely be the end of us.  Not saying that's our lifetime but that's where shit is headed.  When facts are easily cast aside as 'fake news' we are all fucked.  It looks like many of first victims will be a large swath of deplorables...

[DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt 12301]

i saw a brief exchange on the DT covid thread...i believe it was @justhookit that posted pics of the crowded beaches near his house. someone responded that it was fake news and designed to fit a certain narrative and that it should be ignored.

flabbergasted.

[RPM 26321]

1 hour ago, Aqua Buddha said:

Is Trump patient zero?

 

41 minutes ago, DixonHur said:

He certainly isn't patient hero

 

36 minutes ago, Lobo said:

He certainly is behaving like Patient Nero. 

Burma Shave!

[Grade of D as in David 13253]

8 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

i saw a brief exchange on the DT covid thread...i believe it was @justhookit that posted pics of the crowded beaches near his house. someone responded that it was fake news and designed to fit a certain narrative and that it should be ignored.

flabbergasted.

DT thread is full of snowflake idiots

[Biff Tannen 45687]

13 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

It's absolutely gotten worse over time.  It's just so easy to find thousands of like minded dipshits if you choose to do so today...it's called the internet.  Back in the day those morons didn't have their voice amplified like they do today.  In the end, it will likely be the end of us.  Not saying that's our lifetime but that's where shit is headed.  When facts are easily cast aside as 'fake news' we are all fucked.  It looks like many of first victims will be a large swath of deplorables...

This is exactly the problem and why so many of us on The Ledge or The Lanai ended up there.  I don't know of a way to make these people see what they believe in is simply wrong.  It's a religion.  It's a cult.

[Pancho 44804]

 

[jimmyjazz 45957]

12 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

It's absolutely gotten worse over time.  It's just so easy to find thousands of like minded dipshits if you choose to do so today...it's called the internet. 

By "worse" I meant "the numbers are growing".  I'm not sure that's true -- I can't state with certainty we didn't have a 42% moron ratio prior to the millenium.  I do know for sure I didn't have to hear their bullshit.

I feel like I quote George Carlin about once a week these days:  half the people in the world have an IQ below 100.  Have you ever met someone with an IQ of 100?  They're fucking idiots.

[BrickHorn 18235]

4 minutes ago, jimmyjazz said:

By "worse" I meant "the numbers are growing".  I'm not sure that's true -- I can't state with certainty we didn't have a 42% moron ratio prior to the millenium.  I do know for sure I didn't have to hear their bullshit.

I feel like I quote George Carlin about once a week these days:  half the people in the world have an IQ below 100.  Have you ever met someone with an IQ of 100?  They're fucking idiots.

Look at the people in your life pushing these conspiracy theories. I’d bet they fall in a certain stratum of IQ or academic record that is just above-average enough to breed confidence but not quite enough to convey competence. That’s what I’m seeing, at least. 

[softlynow 1814]

1 minute ago, jimmyjazz said:

By "worse" I meant "the numbers are growing".  I'm not sure that's true -- I can't state with certainty we didn't have a 42% moron ratio prior to the millenium.  I do know for sure I didn't have to hear their bullshit.

I feel like I quote George Carlin about once a week these days:  half the people in the world have an IQ below 100.  Have you ever met someone with an IQ of 100?  They're fucking idiots.

We’re seeing the consequences of societal liberality and run amok humanism breaking down the old order of things. Stupid people always existed in the same numbers. But they weren’t empowered the way pop culture does now. What was considered crude and undesirable has often become points of cultural pride.

We stopped shaming morons. It should come as no surprise to us that they act and think shamelessly.

Was the old way of creating social outcasts problematic? Absolutely. We just haven’t figured out a way to keep the benefits while fixing things for he less fortunate and those who make an occasional mistake. 

[Pescado_Rojo 19416]

5 minutes ago, softlynow said:

We’re seeing the consequences of societal liberality and run amok humanism breaking down the old order of things. Stupid people always existed in the same numbers. But they weren’t empowered the way pop culture does now. What was considered crude and undesirable has often become points of cultural pride.

We stopped shaming morons. It should come as no surprise to us that they act and think shamelessly.

Was the old way of creating social outcasts problematic? Absolutely. We just haven’t figured out a way to keep the benefits while fixing things for he less fortunate and those who make an occasional mistake. 

I remember Rush and some guest of his railing against the "Intelligentsia" way back in the 90s. 

[jimmyjazz 45957]

7 minutes ago, BrickHorn said:

Look at the people in your life pushing these conspiracy theories. I’d bet they fall in a certain stratum of IQ or academic record that is just above-average enough to breed confidence but not quite enough to convey competence. That’s what I’m seeing, at least. 

I think that's probably right, at leas towards the upper end.  Plenty of college grads, but typically not in disciplines that demand critical thought.  (This is not to say that all those with such degrees cannot think critically, but rather that it's quite possible to get through a bachelor's degree in certain majors without actually demonstrating any significant mental acuity relative to the average Joe.) 

And, a bunch of them are just kinda dim.  They gain confidence because the echo chamber reinforces their beliefs.  They literally fall in the 1st and 4th quadrants (control theory).

[WhatTheBuck 28781]

37 minutes ago, DefinitelyNotHollywoodColt said:

i saw a brief exchange on the DT covid thread...i believe it was @justhookit that posted pics of the crowded beaches near his house. someone responded that it was fake news and designed to fit a certain narrative and that it should be ignored.

flabbergasted.

Reality has a liberal bias. 

[Hugo Stiglitz 23367]

45 minutes ago, ChiTownDoc said:

It's absolutely gotten worse over time.  It's just so easy to find thousands of like minded dipshits if you choose to do so today...it's called the internet.  Back in the day those morons didn't have their voice amplified like they do today.  In the end, it will likely be the end of us.  Not saying that's our lifetime but that's where shit is headed.  When facts are easily cast aside as 'fake news' we are all fucked.  It looks like many of first victims will be a large swath of deplorables...

Information warfare isn’t just about elections.  It’s actual warfare.  

[gmr548 16580]

13 minutes ago, Pescado_Rojo said:

I remember Rush and some guest of his railing against the "Intelligentsia" way back in the 90s. 

DT snowflakes love that one

[gmr548 16580]

2 hours ago, ChiTownDoc said:

One side is doing a better job than the other, but there is zero fucking doubt both are playing politics and it's infuriating. 

I'd maybe concede that nationally, though I don't know what Democrats are supposed to do nationally with just the House. I don't really put a ton of blame on Senate Republicans either. POTUS has an enormous amount of power and responsibility in this situation. It's kind of what the executive branch is for.

State leadership isn't close. I know you've mentioned that you felt Democrats have been gun-shy in IL, and I definitely agree with you at least in regards to healthcare, but that pales in comparison to what's going on down here in SECSECSEC dumbfuckistan.

[wildcat09 29354]

21 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

I'd maybe concede that nationally, though I don't know what Democrats are supposed to do nationally with just the House. I don't really put a ton of blame on Senate Republicans either. POTUS has an enormous amount of power and responsibility in this situation. It's kind of what the executive branch is for.

State leadership isn't close. I know you've mentioned that you felt Democrats have been gun-shy in IL, and I definitely agree with you at least in regards to healthcare, but that pales in comparison to what's going on down here in SECSECSEC dumbfuckistan.

Democrats spent their entire first year in control of the House passing messaging bills they knew wouldn't make it through the Senate or get signed by Trump. They could keep doing that.  Pass a bill that provides unlimited financial support to workers and actual small businesses, that conditions any support to large business and banks on things like no executive bonuses, no buybacks, etc., testing and tracing, more funding for PPE and other emergency supplies, support for strained state budgets, etc. And then hammer the GOP for preferring to sacrifice the lives of thousands of ordinary Americans to protect their donors' pocketbooks and hammer Trump for being too fucking lazy to bother with doing the bare goddamn minimum that every other country is doing. It may end up only being marginally effective, but the margins matter and it'd certainly be better than literally doing nothing. 

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

29 minutes ago, gmr548 said:

I'd maybe concede that nationally, though I don't know what Democrats are supposed to do nationally with just the House. I don't really put a ton of blame on Senate Republicans either. POTUS has an enormous amount of power and responsibility in this situation. It's kind of what the executive branch is for.

State leadership isn't close. I know you've mentioned that you felt Democrats have been gun-shy in IL, and I definitely agree with you at least in regards to healthcare, but that pales in comparison to what's going on down here in SECSECSEC dumbfuckistan.

Fair...it's clear the biggest fucking problem, by a country mile, is the dumbest fuck in all of politics...who just happens to be President.  You have to ask  yourself, is it a coincidence the absolute worst human being in the country became President?  If you want to comfort yourself, say yes.   If you want to stare at the nasty truth, the answer is hell no.  He was destined to lead today's Republican party.  I say today's because whether or not anyone here wants to admit it, a lot of good people have left that party.  

[hayden_horn 11362]

this administration.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8296923/HHS-Secretary-Alex-Azar-says-meat-workers-home-social-conditions-caused-spread-corona.html

Quote

Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar dismissed concerns about the spread of the coronavirus at meat packing plants, saying workers were more likely to catch the deadly disease at home or in social situations.

Azar's remarks were made on a phone call with Democratic and Republican lawmakers and came after President Donald Trump invoked the Defense Production Act to keep meat plants open amid fears of a food shortage.

But the plants have also had high outbreaks of the coronavirus among workers - more than 10,000 have tested positive nationwide with at least 45 deaths.

Some of the lawmakers on the April 28 call with Azar told Politico he said it was the 'home and social' aspects of workers' lives rather than the conditions inside the facilities that led to people catching the disease.

Azar, a member of the White House's Coronavirus Task Force, noted many workers live in group housing, which contributed to the spread, and suggested one solution would be to send in more law enforcement officials to enforce social distancing rules.  

Several people on the call interpreted his remarks as blaming the workers. 

'He was essentially turning it around, blaming the victim and implying that their lifestyle was the problem,' Democratic Rep. Ann Kuster of New Hampshire told Politico. 'Their theory of the case is that they are not becoming infected in the meat processing plant, they're becoming infected because of the way they live in their home.' 

An HHS spokesperson told the news website it doesn't comment on Azar's conversations with lawmakers but called it 'an inaccurate representation of Secretary's Azar's comments during the discussion.' 

At least 10,000 meat industry workers have tested positive since the pandemic began, according to an analysis by USA Today and the Midwest Center for Investigative Reporting. 

At least 170 plants in 29 states have had one or more workers test positive for the coronavirus. Some of those workers also have infected others, which is included in the count. 

Most meat packing workers are Latino and many are illegal immigrants.

About 44 percent of meatpackers are Latino, according to the Center for Economic and Policy Research and 80 percent are undocumented or refugees, according to an analysis from The League of United Latin American Citizens.

ghouls.

[ChiTownDoc 21154]

28 minutes ago, hayden_horn said:

this administration.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8296923/HHS-Secretary-Alex-Azar-says-meat-workers-home-social-conditions-caused-spread-corona.html

ghouls.

Azar with the Hail Mary to try to save his job.  Lol

[gmr548 16580]

Democrats spent their entire first year in control of the House passing messaging bills they knew wouldn't make it through the Senate or get signed by Trump. They could keep doing that.  Pass a bill that provides unlimited financial support to workers and actual small businesses, that conditions any support to large business and banks on things like no executive bonuses, no buybacks, etc., testing and tracing, more funding for PPE and other emergency supplies, support for strained state budgets, etc. And then hammer the GOP for preferring to sacrifice the lives of thousands of ordinary Americans to protect their donors' pocketbooks and hammer Trump for being too fucking lazy to bother with doing the bare goddamn minimum that every other country is doing. It may end up only being marginally effective, but the margins matter and it'd certainly be better than literally doing nothing. 

Yeah, this is fair. Make them say no, make them explain it. That has to be at least as effective as the political calculation they're making now - basically letting Trump stumblefuck all over himself. That's mostly unavoidable, but at least show you've got the plan and the tools to lead. Then you can at least truthfully say you did your job, the senate/executive didn't come through.